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Your comment just disqualified you completely to speak about the subject.
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So, you're trying to teach us to "disconnect" but you say Astro gets insta-disqualified? For what??

Because you think he's a paid shill?

Then you can't disconnect.

Id say take his words as anyone elses.. and the same counts for NT.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


So, you're trying to teach us to "disconnect" but you say Astro gets insta-disqualified? For what??

Because you think he's a paid shill?

Then you can't disconnect.

Id say take his words as anyone elses.. and the same counts for NT.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


I abolutely don't know if he is a payed shill and to be honest this is not my business. I refered to his black and white question which is completely the opposite way to do of what I was talking about beforehand.
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Your comment just disqualified you completely to speak about the subject.
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So, you're trying to teach us to "disconnect" but you say Astro gets insta-disqualified? For what??

Because you think he's a paid shill?

Then you can't disconnect.

Id say take his words as anyone elses.. and the same counts for NT.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


So, you're trying to teach us to "disconnect" but you say Astro gets insta-disqualified? For what??

Because you think he's a paid shill?

Then you can't disconnect.

Id say take his words as anyone elses.. and the same counts for NT.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


I abolutely don't know if he is a payed shill and to be honest this is not my business. I refered to his black and white question which is completely the opposite way to do of what I was talking about beforehand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


It's this thing called reality. Earth is either halted in its orbit, or it's not. The zetas claim it is; that is a claim of fact, it's either true or it's false. Do you believe it is true?
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I abolutely don't know if he is a payed shill and to be honest this is not my business. I refered to his black and white question which is completely the opposite way to do of what I was talking about beforehand.
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But its a legitimate question and obviously a manner used to get ZT-believers confronted with uneasy facts in the hope that they might question it.

You might be right that other approaches could be more productive, but then what you described above wasn't really an alternative..

ZetaTalk claims to be bull-free.. Earth is halted is bull, so its legitimate to question it in my mind. As blunt as it may be.

Id be interested to hear your opinion though, how we could improve communication.

How about defining some core-attributes for communication?
like criticism should be allowed,
everyone's perspective should be heared and respected,
avoidance of logical fallacies (ad hominem, etc),
..
..
..
but then,
(PS-Ning rule #2: No debating the reality of Planet X and the validity of ZetaTalk.)

So it would seem the PS-Ningers would need to get here first until we could have an open discussion... but then they don't even want to really discuss..
Questions brought up are ignored. Instead ZT gets posted.
How communicative.
oh right...

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You mean like those thoughts:
"Hm.. why bother to change the present when PX is going to wipe out everything...?"

or

"If those concepts about morale ring true does it mean the rest of ZT true aswell?"

Oh right... that hasn't much to do with spirituality.

I prefer to rather DO than just THINK...
Today it ment sharing my meal with a homeless guy - believe it or not.



Still no answer.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Wait a second:
Herewith, you're officially ignored due to redundant shilling and evading questions.
Come back when you got some arguments.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Suspected that would be following. tounge
As long as you don't just copy n paste zetababble all is fine...

After all we want to hear from YOU, how you justify those errorenous ZT to yourself...

If we want to read ZetaBS we very well know where to find it.

Also,
I still haven't answered Hydras question and don't want to because I do not have a plausible answer...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Noted.. hf
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Those persons who use abusive/negative words towards people like Nancy and readers of Zetatalk and the poleshift.ning have established an emotional connection to these groups or persons.

Whenever an emotional connection stays unanswered the same way it was once established (due to abusive words for example) it creates even more distress in the minds of those who initialized this connection. The Barricade increases in size.

If you are able to disconnect the first step is done and you can proceed to "fight" your enemy in that you get closer to him than ever before.

Since some (?) debunkers do not distinguish between Nancy and the zetas, disconnecting emotionally from Nancy and the Zetas would be required for the next step.

Zetatalk, or let's say the Zetas, are what you say are talking bollox (without having read ALL the Zetatalk with an opened state of mind and heart to your best knowledge!). OK so far.

Now, since you are disconnected from Nancy and the Zetas you will be able to get closer to what you maybe consider as your "enemy", the Zetas. You automatically are more able to read and understand Zetatalk and its vast amount of information. You then will eventually be able to read Zetatalk with an opened mind, your heart and eventually breaking up the hardened denial of what you read. This is NOT meant to be you being suddenly a Zetatalk believer, no way. This is meant to improve your ability to let any zetatalk information flow through your mind while filtering out what is deemed to be BS for you.

At any time you will have full control about the information you accept or not but you need to know about all the aspects the zetas spoke and speak about, not only about planet x and other scientific stuff. Most importantly it is the spiritual part, the part about the soul.

Every time you think and speak and read about spiritual stuff in general you are automatically reconstructing your mindset and maybe establish a new or brighter pathway to your mind/spirit connection.

Whenever you fall back into old habits this pathway most likely is getting narrower.

The rest is your own journey. Zetatalk can be the spark that helps you or not. Free will was given to you by God, so to speak.

Suddenly it is completely irrelevant to you if there is a Planet X, a pole-shift an announcement by Obama or the like.

Whatever one may believe regarding the source of the Messages from the Zetas through Nancy, the contents are so new to us and revolutionary, yet so compelling by their logic and sublime simplicity, that a serious study of them must be undertaken in order to comprehend their significance and challenge.
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So, with this, you are confirming that Zetatalk is a mere belief-system. A religion. Nothing more.

I thank you for your confirmation. I have long suspected such.
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Your comment just disqualified you completely to speak about the subject.
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So, you're trying to teach us to "disconnect" but you say Astro gets insta-disqualified? For what??

Because you think he's a paid shill?

Then you can't disconnect.

Id say take his words as anyone elses.. and the same counts for NT.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


So, you're trying to teach us to "disconnect" but you say Astro gets insta-disqualified? For what??

Because you think he's a paid shill?

Then you can't disconnect.

Id say take his words as anyone elses.. and the same counts for NT.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


I abolutely don't know if he is a payed shill and to be honest this is not my business. I refered to his black and white question which is completely the opposite way to do of what I was talking about beforehand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


It's this thing called reality. Earth is either halted in its orbit, or it's not. The zetas claim it is; that is a claim of fact, it's either true or it's false. Do you believe it is true?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


All right. I am trying to answer it and hope that I find the right words. My answer is that I don't know it, honestly I have absolutely no idea if that really happened or not and I am completely unable to speak with you about the subject because when I've read about it some time ago I filtered it out, so to say. I took it into consideration, found that it would take to much time to understand and dropped it so it wouldn't distract me from what I'm really trying to gain.

This does NOT mean I am running away from it, I just filtered it out to be of any importance to me after having read about it, true or not true - I cannot evaluate. I don't care, hence I don't follow this "Moon was halted in its orbit or not" thing because there is no spiritual outcome for me.

As an example: I also filter out what is said to be Nancy Talk. It is my understanding that she as a human is erroneous in some things and in others not.

Also I filter out what Ann s. says sometimes, because I consider it as unnecessary to call a person she does not know personally to be a payed shill. She simply answeres the emotional call on her with a negative emotion -
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AC 36382091, the communication between us has improved, wouldn't you argee?

I think because we eventually managed to get on a basis where we can exchange arguments and respect each other for our views. (Not to be confused with objective facts.)

But why can some believers seemingly not get past the "paid debunker thing"?
You must agree that an emotional barrier to avoid a critical discussion seems plausible? I mean, what matters is the message, not the messenger so much.
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All right. I am trying to answer it and hope that I find the right words. My answer is that I don't know it, honestly I have absolutely no idea if that really happened or not and I am completely unable to speak with you about the subject because when I've read about it some time ago I filtered it out, so to say. I took it into consideration, found that it would take to much time to understand and dropped it so it wouldn't distract me from what I'm really trying to gain.

This does NOT mean I am running away from it, I just filtered it out to be of any importance to me after having read about it, true or not true - I cannot evaluate. I don't care, hence I don't follow this "Moon was halted in its orbit or not" thing because there is no spiritual outcome for me.

As an example: I also filter out what is said to be Nancy Talk. It is my understanding that she as a human is erroneous in some things and in others not.

Also I filter out what Ann s. says sometimes, because I consider it as unnecessary to call a person she does not know personally to be a payed shill. She simply answeres the emotional call on her with a negative emotion -
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Even though it wasn't directed to me, I want to thank you.
Glad communication improves fast.

Regarding the subject I can relate to some of the things you describe... but again I wouldn't make these exclusive to Nancy.
She's not the first to bring up these concepts, as right as some may be.
Also, I hope you'll find what you're seeking and then be able to move on... because going over Nancy's homework is like... um.. there are better things to spend your time with :)

Sharing is caring. hf

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Whatever one may believe regarding the source of the Messages from the Zetas through Nancy, the contents are so new to us and revolutionary, yet so compelling by their logic and sublime simplicity, that a serious study of them must be undertaken in order to comprehend their significance and challenge.
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One little problem... there is really nothing new or revolutionary about what "Zetas" say about spiritual matters. The whole "STO" thing is a spiritual trap, IMHO. Your presumption that none of the debunkers understand anything in the 'spiritual' realm speaks volumes... about YOU.
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AC 36382091, the communication between us has improved, wouldn't you argee?

I think because we eventually managed to get on a basis where we can exchange arguments and respect each other for our views. (Not to be confused with objective facts.)

But why can some believers seemingly not get past the "paid debunker thing"?
You must agree that an emotional barrier to avoid a critical discussion seems plausible? I mean, what matters is the message, not the messenger so much.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


I abolutely agree with you.
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Whatever one may believe regarding the source of the Messages from the Zetas through Nancy, the contents are so new to us and revolutionary, yet so compelling by their logic and sublime simplicity, that a serious study of them must be undertaken in order to comprehend their significance and challenge.
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One little problem... there is really nothing new or revolutionary about what "Zetas" say about spiritual matters. The whole "STO" thing is a spiritual trap, IMHO. Your presumption that none of the debunkers understand anything in the 'spiritual' realm speaks volumes... about YOU.
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Ok, I see it in a different way but If I start now to tell you to read...,...,... we are running in circles again. This obvously cannot be solved between us, I guess.
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Your comment just disqualified you completely to speak about the subject.
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So, you're trying to teach us to "disconnect" but you say Astro gets insta-disqualified? For what??

Because you think he's a paid shill?

Then you can't disconnect.

Id say take his words as anyone elses.. and the same counts for NT.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


So, you're trying to teach us to "disconnect" but you say Astro gets insta-disqualified? For what??

Because you think he's a paid shill?

Then you can't disconnect.

Id say take his words as anyone elses.. and the same counts for NT.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


I abolutely don't know if he is a payed shill and to be honest this is not my business. I refered to his black and white question which is completely the opposite way to do of what I was talking about beforehand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Why would anyone have to be paid to simply explain factual astronomy? All he did was cite some "Zeta" claims which are demonstrably false. Are you claiming that those "Zeta" claims are NOT false? How so? Is it some alternate reality thing? Fine, if that is what you are alluding to, then SAY SO! If you feel that you or anyone can find a way to inhabit a reality where the Zeta astronomical claims are true, then SAY SO. You have dismissed or even indicted Astro for doing nothing more than describing our physical surroundings in an accurate way. If you are immune to having to accept those physical surroundings at face value, please enlighten the rest of us on how you have accomplished that.
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I don't care, hence I don't follow this "Moon was halted in its orbit or not" thing because there is no spiritual outcome for me.


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Then why did YOU come on here, touting "Zeta accuracy" about such things?
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I abolutely agree with you.
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I appreciate your perspective.
I think it might be worthy to point out that the debunkers main impulse seems to be the fearmongering of Nancy (Just like her latest Post on the Ning) and the resulting paranoia and confusion it conducts among people.

I don't think there's much discussion over the morale concepts... as they are usally subjective issues everyone has to sort out for himself.

Now, how can we improve connection between the more hardened believers?

I'd be really interested in your feedback.
What, in your opinion, struck out the most in a negative way regarding having a mature discussion when you came here?
Or, in other words, what was very counter-productive in regards to a discussion?

They way people answered? The tone?

Thanks.
Eventually your feedback could save time and improve efficiency of all parties involved.

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 03/21/2013 10:26 AM
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Whatever one may believe regarding the source of the Messages from the Zetas through Nancy, the contents are so new to us and revolutionary, yet so compelling by their logic and sublime simplicity, that a serious study of them must be undertaken in order to comprehend their significance and challenge.
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One little problem... there is really nothing new or revolutionary about what "Zetas" say about spiritual matters. The whole "STO" thing is a spiritual trap, IMHO. Your presumption that none of the debunkers understand anything in the 'spiritual' realm speaks volumes... about YOU.
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Ok, I see it in a different way but If I start now to tell you to read...,...,... we are running in circles again. This obvously cannot be solved between us, I guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


You act as if we have been in a discussion about spirituality all along. We have not. YOU came on here touting GENERAL "Zeta accuracy", did you not? You pretended that we simply couldn't "understand" what Zetatalk was saying and danced around, alluding to some mysterious content which we just hadn't grasped. Nonsense! Spirituality is NOT what we have been discussing and I daresay, with all due humility, that I have some insight into that area. If you desire to discuss general spirituality, then SAY SO! There may be some who are interested in engaging in that discussion. On the other hand, it is the Zeta supporters who constantly claim that the Zeta claims about the PHYSICAL WORLD are accurate, when they are demonstrably not.
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Whatever one may believe regarding the source of the Messages from the Zetas through Nancy, the contents are so new to us and revolutionary, yet so compelling by their logic and sublime simplicity, that a serious study of them must be undertaken in order to comprehend their significance and challenge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


One little problem... there is really nothing new or revolutionary about what "Zetas" say about spiritual matters. The whole "STO" thing is a spiritual trap, IMHO. Your presumption that none of the debunkers understand anything in the 'spiritual' realm speaks volumes... about YOU.
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Ok, I see it in a different way but If I start now to tell you to read...,...,... we are running in circles again. This obvously cannot be solved between us, I guess.
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I have reread your message and found my answer to it to be incomplete.

The spiritual part in Zetatalk cannot be found only in those sites where they describe the soul or spirit. It is distributed througout the whole zetatalk domain but most importantly (to me) is the part about the soul and spirit and science and so on. Zetatalk should be considered as a whole. The way the zetas describe a spiritual development (STO - STS) including all the grey tones is something I understand but this is not really the mind blowing way to describe it, in my opinion. Anyway, it is their way to explain it.
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AC 36382091, the communication between us has improved, wouldn't you argee?

I think because we eventually managed to get on a basis where we can exchange arguments and respect each other for our views. (Not to be confused with objective facts.)

But why can some believers seemingly not get past the "paid debunker thing"?
You must agree that an emotional barrier to avoid a critical discussion seems plausible? I mean, what matters is the message, not the messenger so much.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


But why can some believers seemingly not get past the "paid debunker thing"?
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Because ann s said so? Calling somebody you don't know a paid shill without having seen the paychek is a NO-GO, imo. They are running into the same problems like everyone else would.

You must agree that an emotional barrier to avoid a critical discussion seems plausible? I mean, what matters is the message, not the messenger so much.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


I think a barrier to a certain degree is not only plausibel but necessary to survive.

I mean, what matters is the message, not the messenger so much.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Absolutely.
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Because ann s said so?
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No, because EVERY Zeta supporter and Nancy, herself, CONSTANTLY calls anyone speaking against Zetatalk claims a "paid shill".
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Because ann s said so?
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No, because EVERY Zeta supporter and Nancy, herself, CONSTANTLY calls anyone speaking against Zetatalk claims a "paid shill".
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Well, I don't see every Zeta supporter on this thread or on the poleshift.ning constantly saying that, so I can't tell. Nancy and ann s surely claim it but why would you care?
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I think a barrier to a certain degree is not only plausibel but necessary to survive.

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True. But thats exactly what I worry about.

I know how deep some are into it, and even if it is their choices, Im frightened how to get them out of it without subsequent damage to them.

I say this because I've experienced how it feels to have your entire belief turned up-side-down in a brink.
It took me a few days to contemplate everything..like defragmenting your harddrive.

Not expecting an answer here, just thinking how to approach in the healthiest way.

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Because ann s said so?
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No, because EVERY Zeta supporter and Nancy, herself, CONSTANTLY calls anyone speaking against Zetatalk claims a "paid shill".
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Well, I don't see every Zeta supporter on this thread or on the poleshift.ning constantly saying that, so I can't tell. Nancy and ann s surely claim it but why would you care?
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How obtuse ARE you? For one, it IS a constant with that bunch. Second- Didn't YOU just say something about how attacks and name-calling were undesirable?
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I don't care, hence I don't follow this "Moon was halted in its orbit or not" thing because there is no spiritual outcome for me.


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Then why did YOU come on here, touting "Zeta accuracy" about such things?
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Indeed. On the one hand the Zeta's are said to be "accurate" but on the other hand when inaccuracies are pointed out they are "filtered out." That's called confirmation bias.
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I abolutely agree with you.
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I appreciate your perspective.
I think it might be worthy to point out that the debunkers main impulse seems to be the fearmongering of Nancy (Just like her latest Post on the Ning) and the resulting paranoia and confusion it conducts among people.

I don't think there's much discussion over the morale concepts... as they are usally subjective issues everyone has to sort out for himself.

Now, how can we improve connection between the more hardened believers?

I'd be really interested in your feedback.
What, in your opinion, struck out the most in a negative way regarding having a mature discussion when you came here?
Or, in other words, what was very counter-productive in regards to a discussion?

They way people answered? The tone?

Thanks.
Eventually your feedback could save time and improve efficiency of all parties involved.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision



I think it might be worthy to point out that the debunkers main impulse seems to be the fearmongering of Nancy (Just like her latest Post on the Ning) and the resulting paranoia and confusion it conducts among people.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


I think I understand what you say. The thing is that I wouldn't support the way she does it (fearmongering) but since I consider Nancy and the Zetas as two different sources of information which can contain errors due to a certain unsharpness I don't blame the Zetas for it. Nancy has, like every human, free will.

Now, how can we improve connection between the more hardened believers?
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Already happening, automatically and constantly.

What, in your opinion, struck out the most in a negative way regarding having a mature discussion when you came here?
Or, in other words, what was very counter-productive in regards to a discussion?
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


There was not a single thing, word, sentences or gesture that was conter-productive by anyone here on this site ever, imo.
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Because ann s said so?
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No, because EVERY Zeta supporter and Nancy, herself, CONSTANTLY calls anyone speaking against Zetatalk claims a "paid shill".
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


Well, I don't see every Zeta supporter on this thread or on the poleshift.ning constantly saying that, so I can't tell. Nancy and ann s surely claim it but why would you care?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Hm. I would be interested to see *any* Zeta supporter challenge Nancy and Ann about their claims about paid shills.

However, I shan't hold my breath.
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I consider Nancy and the Zetas as two different sources of information which can contain errors due to a certain unsharpness I don't blame the Zetas for it. Nancy has, like every human, free will.


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So the many, many errors in claims and predictions about the physical world are all due to this "unsharpness" and Zetas aren't really saying all those false things? On the other hand, you apparently believe that any 'spiritual' instructions or information has passed through Nancy without significant error? That's quite a dichotomy you have going there.
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I think a barrier to a certain degree is not only plausibel but necessary to survive.

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True. But thats exactly what I worry about.

I know how deep some are into it, and even if it is their choices, Im frightened how to get them out of it without subsequent damage to them.

I say this because I've experienced how it feels to have your entire belief turned up-side-down in a brink.
It took me a few days to contemplate everything..like defragmenting your harddrive.

Not expecting an answer here, just thinking how to approach in the healthiest way.
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True. But thats exactly what I worry about.

I know how deep some are into it, and even if it is their choices, Im frightened how to get them out of it without subsequent damage to them.
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Maybe your answer is clearly in front of you. It might be that you can't get them out because they don't and ever will share your perspective.

The following is not meant to be offensive: If you deeply care about a friend or a group in the hands of what some call a cult then why would you leave this group in the hands of someone you consider to be a thread? Wouldn't it make sense to stay in there and gain information and at the same time work on another front? be near your enemy - ok this word is not so good but you get my point.

Don't feel bad or sorrow about your friends, everybody has to go their way - free will. You did nothing wrong, instead you did what you thought is the right thing to do and this can never be wrong from your perspective.
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I consider Nancy and the Zetas as two different sources of information which can contain errors due to a certain unsharpness I don't blame the Zetas for it. Nancy has, like every human, free will.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


So the many, many errors in claims and predictions about the physical world are all due to this "unsharpness" and Zetas aren't really saying all those false things? On the other hand, you apparently believe that any 'spiritual' instructions or information has passed through Nancy without significant error? That's quite a dichotomy you have going there.
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No. I did not say that, or at least not intentionally. What I am saying is that their is unsharpness in everything in what you call the physical world in what the zetas say about spirituality about science about everything. The Zetas absolutely don't know everything, this privilege is only reserved for God.

If you would only have read and understand zetatalk.
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I consider Nancy and the Zetas as two different sources of information which can contain errors due to a certain unsharpness I don't blame the Zetas for it. Nancy has, like every human, free will.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


So the many, many errors in claims and predictions about the physical world are all due to this "unsharpness" and Zetas aren't really saying all those false things? On the other hand, you apparently believe that any 'spiritual' instructions or information has passed through Nancy without significant error? That's quite a dichotomy you have going there.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


No. I did not say that, or at least not intentionally. What I am saying is that their is unsharpness in everything in what you call the physical world in what the zetas say about spirituality about science about everything.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


No, there is no "unsharpness" as to whether Earth is halted in orbit or not. I already posed questions to you about whether you are talking about some sort of alternate reality where the Zeta claims are true. Funny- you didn't answer.

The Zetas absolutely don't know everything, this privilege is only reserved for God.

If you would only have read and understand zetatalk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Really? You are quite the arrogant ass with your obtuse dismissal of other's comments in favor of your alleged "TRVTH" found in your precious Zetatalk. We are not talking about KNOWING EVERYTHING, you pompous jerk. We are talking about claims of fact in the physical world. One more time.... YOU came on here touting Zeta "accuracy" in that very world YOU are apparently now saying is never solidly definable.
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I consider Nancy and the Zetas as two different sources of information which can contain errors due to a certain unsharpness I don't blame the Zetas for it. Nancy has, like every human, free will.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


So the many, many errors in claims and predictions about the physical world are all due to this "unsharpness" and Zetas aren't really saying all those false things? On the other hand, you apparently believe that any 'spiritual' instructions or information has passed through Nancy without significant error? That's quite a dichotomy you have going there.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


No. I did not say that, or at least not intentionally. What I am saying is that their is unsharpness in everything in what you call the physical world in what the zetas say about spirituality about science about everything.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


No, there is no "unsharpness" as to whether Earth is halted in orbit or not. I already posed questions to you about whether you are talking about some sort of alternate reality where the Zeta claims are true. Funny- you didn't answer.

The Zetas absolutely don't know everything, this privilege is only reserved for God.

If you would only have read and understand zetatalk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Really? You are quite the arrogant ass with your obtuse dismissal of other's comments in favor of your alleged "TRVTH" found in your precious Zetatalk. We are not talking about KNOWING EVERYTHING, you pompous jerk. We are talking about claims of fact in the physical world. One more time.... YOU came on here touting Zeta "accuracy" in that very world YOU are apparently now saying is never solidly definable.
 Quoting: Menow 36608702


There is accuracy in what the Zetas relay and it can be found here: [link to poleshift.ning.com]
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Hey, FS. Long time no see.

So, since 2007 and 2012 didn't pan out -- how long are you willing to give Nancy *this* time? End of 2013? Beyond?

Or are you unwilling to give any expiration date on Nancy's claims at all, because the milk has just gone too far off?

You'll be believing her through 2030? 2040? To infinity and beyond?
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I'll give it as long as it'll take. It's like predicting a nuke war...the bombs exist but nobody knows when they will be used..logical.
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I consider Nancy and the Zetas as two different sources of information which can contain errors due to a certain unsharpness I don't blame the Zetas for it. Nancy has, like every human, free will.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


So the many, many errors in claims and predictions about the physical world are all due to this "unsharpness" and Zetas aren't really saying all those false things? On the other hand, you apparently believe that any 'spiritual' instructions or information has passed through Nancy without significant error? That's quite a dichotomy you have going there.
 Quoting: Menow 17887948


No. I did not say that, or at least not intentionally. What I am saying is that their is unsharpness in everything in what you call the physical world in what the zetas say about spirituality about science about everything.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


No, there is no "unsharpness" as to whether Earth is halted in orbit or not. I already posed questions to you about whether you are talking about some sort of alternate reality where the Zeta claims are true. Funny- you didn't answer.

The Zetas absolutely don't know everything, this privilege is only reserved for God.

If you would only have read and understand zetatalk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


Really? You are quite the arrogant ass with your obtuse dismissal of other's comments in favor of your alleged "TRVTH" found in your precious Zetatalk. We are not talking about KNOWING EVERYTHING, you pompous jerk. We are talking about claims of fact in the physical world. One more time.... YOU came on here touting Zeta "accuracy" in that very world YOU are apparently now saying is never solidly definable.
 Quoting: Menow 36608702


Is this what you mean, Meno?

...


Hey mate, you're the one who brought her up, not me??

I'm the one who is wondering about the solar system warming up
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And you're the one clearly sore as can be about it. I'm still waiting for you to actually address my post.
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I'm not sure what u want me to say?

I'm not an astronomer, I'm just a kiwi block who enjoys learning about alternative subjects.

"For several years, astronomers have observed that a handful of the small icy bodies that lie in the so-called "scattered disc" beyond the orbit of the planet Neptune, including the dwarf planet Sedna, deviate from the paths around the sun that would be expected based on the gravitational pulls of all the known objects in the solar system.
Sedna, for example, swings around the sun in an extremely elongated orbit tracing out a very long oval. "Sedna's orbit is truly peculiar," said Mike Brown, an astronomer at Caltech who led the team that discovered Sedna in 2003."
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About Sedna:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Zetatalk accuracy, proof just keeps coming:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36382091


I posted the links above because they all deal with "Sedna" to support what the other person said about it. To make it distinguishable between general Zetatalk and their accuracy track record I took the title of the last link: Zetatalk accuracy, proof just keeps coming -> [link to www.zetatalk.com]


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