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I'm here to read your explanation. Simple. Could you furnish me with the knowledge as to why Nancy instructed her followers to murder their pets based on the unsubstantiated premise of disaster and also murdered her own dog? Both my dog and I are eager for your reply, forgive our impatience but this is a matter not easily forgiven.
 Quoting: Elemental


Why don't you ask Nancy about her motives or instructions directly?
 Quoting: Panta Rhei


I'm asking you. I have no wish to converse with a liar whom you appear to believe. It is your viewpoint that I am seeking. Yours. Would you or did you murder your pet?
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I did that! And as I`m very nice I asked for a membership at the poleshift.ning.com.

Today! So this should get a wonderful friendship.

Perhaps you can answer us our questions there, as you seem to be a little bit blind sometimes here ... whatever

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I did that! And as I`m very nice I asked for a membership at the poleshift.ning.com.

Today! So this should get a wonderful friendship.

Perhaps you can answer us our questions there, as you seem to be a little bit blind sometimes here ... whatever
 Quoting: VeritasN1


Lol, think that you're going to be blown out there dude!
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Do you not have your own thoughts Panta? Do you simply redirect every question about Nancy to Nancy talk? Where is your mind? Where is your heart? (Panta desperately searching through zetacrap for an answer......)
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And exactly that is why it is constructed like that by the Zetas. One needs to be able to maintain doubt to crawl back into his snail shell to feel secure. It is necessary to survive for ALL of us. I am refering to our ability to NOT find absolute "truth" about several aspects which are about to "come" to men.
 Quoting: Panta Rhei


But of course the whole concept of intentional "doubt" never entered into the ZetaTalk message until the huge 2003 fail.

Prior to that the "Zetas" presented their message as absolute truth and May 15, 2003 as the date against which all other sources of information were to be judged.

The "Zetas" repeatedly said that if the pole shift did not happen then they were to be harshly judged and rightly so.

The "element of doubt" argument is nothing but after the fact rationalization.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13806508


ZetaTalk: Element of Doubt
Note: written by Jul 15, 1995
[link to www.zetatalk.com] -> explains it, also containing an update Note: below added during the Sep 7, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.

Your statement:
But of course the whole concept of intentional "doubt" never entered into the ZetaTalk message until the huge 2003 fail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13806508


does not stand up to a test.
 Quoting: Panta Rhei


Quote from that Zetatalk page:

"The Element of Doubt rule must be interpreted in light of the absolute certainty that the alien presence is real, or not."


That page specifically relates to the idea of an alleged alien presence and NOT to whether what is specifically said and/or predicted in Zetatalk is truthful.
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PS: All Zeta claims related to the passage of PX were most certainly declared to be absolutely factual and true until AFTER the 2003 prediction failed. It was only then that the idea of a "White Lie" was introduced.
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I really don't understand the problem with my question. All I want to know is how it is justifiable to instruct ones followers to destroy their pets. If one has taken it upon oneself to give that instruction, the intention was indisputably clear. Why has a clear, cognitive and salient answer not been afforded to me? If the belief in zetacrap is so strong, the answer should be plainly evident.
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Where does it stop? I love my granddaughter more than my dog, but she wouldn't survive your insane scenario - she would suffer; so do I murder her too? And my daughter...what about her? Is the instruction to kill pets that may suffer or anyone who may suffer. Why just animals? That one instruction was a zeta suicide note that no amount of back pedalling is going to undo.
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Where does it stop? I love my granddaughter more than my dog, but she wouldn't survive your insane scenario - she would suffer; so do I murder her too? And my daughter...what about her? Is the instruction to kill pets that may suffer or anyone who may suffer. Why just animals? That one instruction was a zeta suicide note that no amount of back pedalling is going to undo.
 Quoting: Elemental

Because you can't eat your daughter and granddaughter but according to Nancy "a dog makes a great meal".

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No, not serious.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Where does it stop? I love my granddaughter more than my dog, but she wouldn't survive your insane scenario - she would suffer; so do I murder her too? And my daughter...what about her? Is the instruction to kill pets that may suffer or anyone who may suffer. Why just animals? That one instruction was a zeta suicide note that no amount of back pedalling is going to undo.
 Quoting: Elemental

Because you can't eat your daughter and granddaughter but according to Nancy "a dog makes a great meal".

skitten

No, not serious.


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 Quoting: Hydra


I feel nauseous to the extreme.
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ZetaTalk: Element of Doubt
Note: written by Jul 15, 1995
[link to www.zetatalk.com] -> explains it, also containing an update Note: below added during the Sep 7, 2002 Live ZetaTalk IRC Session.
 Quoting: Panta Rhei


ZetaTalk Accuracy is designed to allow the populace to discern truth in a message, vs newcomers to the scene who want the stage but invent the message. This does not prove that aliens are real, as Nancy could be getting the message from the government, be a front for release of this information, deniable where a straight-forward government source would not be deniable. Thus, the Element of Doubt is maintained.
 Quoting: ZetaTalk element of doubt


Big difference here. She is still claiming 100% accuracy for the ZetaTalk message at this point. The "element of doubt" only applied to what the actual source of the accurate information might be. The "element of doubt" as to the accuracy of what the "Zetas" say never came into play until after 2003.

At no point did she ever say, for example, that 2003 might or might not be the date. She didn't start hedging her bets that way until after the big prophecy failed. Otherwise there would have been no need for the elaborate "White Lie" rationalization.
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Big difference here. She is still claiming 100% accuracy for the ZetaTalk message at this point. The "element of doubt" only applied to what the actual source of the accurate information might be. The "element of doubt" as to the accuracy of what the "Zetas" say never came into play until after 2003.

At no point did she ever say, for example, that 2003 might or might not be the date. She didn't start hedging her bets that way until after the big prophecy failed. Otherwise there would have been no need for the elaborate "White Lie" rationalization.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13806508


I agree with you.

It was poleshift, poleshift, poleshift, poleshift for years and years and then suddenly white lie.

It was definite poleshift until she was forced to use the white lie.
“Fear always springs from ignorance” - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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I'm here to read your explanation. Simple. Could you furnish me with the knowledge as to why Nancy instructed her followers to murder their pets based on the unsubstantiated premise of disaster and also murdered her own dog? Both my dog and I are eager for your reply, forgive our impatience but this is a matter not easily forgiven.
 Quoting: Elemental


Why don't you ask Nancy about her motives or instructions directly?
 Quoting: Panta Rhei


And how specifically would one do that? Unlike here any such question on her site would wind up immediately deleted and result in being banned.
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Strange, I thought that pole shit had advised their gullible idiots, sorry, members, not to post on this thread. Could it be because they might begin to see through the lies?
 Quoting: Elemental


Hmmm...a possibility and Ann is helping Nancy to persuade them not to come here by posting her rants.
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Why don't you ask Nancy about her motives or instructions directly?
 Quoting: Panta Rhei


Because it would be pointless. I tried back in 2003 and she told me she hoped I found myself clinging to a mountain with my limbs useless during the "pole shift." Another time, she told me she hoped I drowned. So, that's what happens when you question the Queen Mother.
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Big difference here. She is still claiming 100% accuracy for the ZetaTalk message at this point. The "element of doubt" only applied to what the actual source of the accurate information might be. The "element of doubt" as to the accuracy of what the "Zetas" say never came into play until after 2003.

At no point did she ever say, for example, that 2003 might or might not be the date. She didn't start hedging her bets that way until after the big prophecy failed. Otherwise there would have been no need for the elaborate "White Lie" rationalization.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13806508


Very true - in fact, there's ZetaTalk where the "Zetas" clearly state that they had given the dates out because the U.S. and Indonesian governments would no longer succeed with their plans thanks to Nancy's efforts in getting the word out. They also stated they had no problem with being precise about the date - May 27, 2003.

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I'm here to read your explanation. Simple. Could you furnish me with the knowledge as to why Nancy instructed her followers to murder their pets based on the unsubstantiated premise of disaster and also murdered her own dog? Both my dog and I are eager for your reply, forgive our impatience but this is a matter not easily forgiven.
 Quoting: Elemental


Why don't you ask Nancy about her motives or instructions directly?
 Quoting: Panta Rhei


Last time I had a membership on Nancy's ning I got banned for posting a link to a google image search for "crescent moon".
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Ouch! You should know better than trying to confuse them with facts and logic.
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Strange, I thought that pole shit had advised their gullible idiots, sorry, members, not to post on this thread. Could it be because they might begin to see through the lies?
 Quoting: Elemental


Hmmm...a possibility and Ann is helping Nancy to persuade them not to come here by posting her rants.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Ann is currently Nancy's favorite lap dog and most vocal parrot.
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- in fact, there's ZetaTalk where the "Zetas" clearly state that they had given the dates out because the U.S. and Indonesian governments would no longer succeed with their plans thanks to Nancy's efforts in getting the word out. They also stated they had no problem with being precise about the date - May 27, 2003.
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Ooh, anniversary next month.

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I'm here to read your explanation. Simple. Could you furnish me with the knowledge as to why Nancy instructed her followers to murder their pets based on the unsubstantiated premise of disaster and also murdered her own dog? Both my dog and I are eager for your reply, forgive our impatience but this is a matter not easily forgiven.
 Quoting: Elemental


I'm still waiting.....
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I'm here to read your explanation. Simple. Could you furnish me with the knowledge as to why Nancy instructed her followers to murder their pets based on the unsubstantiated premise of disaster and also murdered her own dog? Both my dog and I are eager for your reply, forgive our impatience but this is a matter not easily forgiven.
 Quoting: Elemental


I'm still waiting.....
 Quoting: Elemental


I just found the perfect summary for you and many more who are reading this forum regularly -> [link to www.zetatalk.com] and an Excerpt for your specific question.


CALLER: Why did you kill your dog?

NANCY: Actually, ZetaTalk has been the subject of a great disinformation campaign, a hate campaign, every since it emerged in 1995 people have either loved it or hated it, and that's run about 50/50, my email runs like that. And there's been many organized campaigns to try to discredit ZetaTalk. It has an extremely high accuracy track record. This is one of the reasons for its success. I have never spammed email, gone out and promoted myself, called up and said 'oh please, please, have me on your show'. It has come to me. This is a bit astonishing because it is know around the world, there are very few countries I don't get email from. I hear that I've appeared in magazines in Australia or Germany. All that translation on my website is done by volunteers. This is because people say it has the ring of truth, brings things together, gives explanations to puzzles, and is so logical. So therefore, it's highly popular. It is giving out a message that the establishment, the people who are the bankers, the heads of government, organized religion, don't want you to hear. That we are going to have cataclysmic changes in our near future. That the governments know about this and are not informing you. That the alien presence is real and this is not something you need to fear and here's how you work with it, you are in control. These are messages they don't want out, so therefore there's a campaign to smear me, and smear ZetaTalk. One of them is the silliest thing.

I had a German Shepherd pup that I put to sleep at 18 months at the advice of the vet because he had been under socialized in the kennel and he was likely to attack people. He was already diving through windows when children rode by on their bikes. We were terrified he was going to bite a child. Someone asked me on live radio what the Zetas recommendation would be for people who had pets going into a pole shift. Starvation is expected to be rampant. 90% of the population is expected to die, not just from starvation, from injury, illness, depression, but starvation will be rampant. And their answer was, how are you going to feed that pet when your neighbor's child is starving? So our recommendation is, when you see the pole shift coming, and its imminent and there's no question, take it to the vet and put it to sleep. It's painless. Otherwise you're going to be starving your pet, if that's your choice, fine. And that got twisted around to Nancy Lieder the puppy killer. I kid you not, and that's my answer. It is a serious problem, and particularly with dogs, and that's not the reason we put this dog to sleep. He slept with us and ate at our table and sat on my lap, all 120 lbs of him, and watched TV, and we cried and he died in my arms, but he was going to bite somebody and probably a child and we just couldn't have it.
 Quoting: [link to www.zetatalk.com]


Apart from what Nancy explained: when I first heard about it I thought a starving dog may eventually turn against humans. Would I kill my dog before a pole shift in case I hear of it? I can't tell, not been in such a situation before. I think I would refresh the anti-rabies inoculation and put my dog a muzzle on, but honestly speaking I really can't tell.
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Thank you for answering. I will digest and ponder a while.
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Strange, I thought that pole shit had advised their gullible idiots, sorry, members, not to post on this thread. Could it be because they might begin to see through the lies?
 Quoting: Elemental


Hmmm...a possibility and Ann is helping Nancy to persuade them not to come here by posting her rants.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Another possibility is that Nancy doesn't want her followers to waste their time and energy on the "hopelessly lost".
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I just found the perfect summary for you and many more who are reading this forum regularly -> [link to www.zetatalk.com] and an Excerpt for your specific question.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: Panta Rhei


Actually we are all too aware of nancy lie...s zetababble- and of her attempts to cover up her mistakes- unfortunately that particular show was recorded and despite her attempts to cover it up- that summary is the lie and shows how desperate she is to hide the truth

(I often have the vision of nancy actually meeting the truth- As it hits her she goes into classical vampire/holy water mode- `the truth, the truth- OH IT BURNS' as she disappears in a smoking flare of fire)

I'll google around to find the actual recording of that particular show and post its link- and its `nothing' like her `summary' (surprise surprise)

I've listened to it several times in the past and its not surprising she wants to cover it up- even the shows host was rather shocked by what she said (and the audience reaction wasn't exactly a raving review in nancy's favour either)

If this is the quality of your defence- I'm rather disappointed as its stuff that was debunked quite literally years ago and the fact that's its so easily debunked doesn't bode well for any future postings- you obviously haven't even bothered to check even the most basic facts re miss lieders babblings which suggests to me that you are in fact a `true believer' which means that anything that goes against your cult beliefs will be brushed off without even the smallest thought crossing your mind.

I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt it
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[link to www.youtube.com]

Listen to the actual interview and make up your mind yourself- does what she says in her excerpt bear any resemblance to what she actually says in that recorded interview???

well?
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One question Panta; on the last occasion that I asked this question, I was advised that the killing of Nancy's pet and the instruction to murder pets was a white lie told by the zetas. Which is the correct version of events?
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[link to www.youtube.com]

Listen to the actual interview and make up your mind yourself- does what she says in her excerpt bear any resemblance to what she actually says in that recorded interview???

well?
 Quoting: aussie 763624 37081819


As this has rolled over onto a new page, I'd like to repost it so everyone can hear for themselves nancy's own words, straight from her, no interpretation needed

(notice also all the comments on that recording- it seems that almost- well everyone lol- finds her as distasteful as I do)

its well worth going to that link- simply to view the comments- that show that most people find her views as repugnant and insane as I do
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I`ve listened to this interview before. It reveals the shocking truth about that crazy cult. All this STO-babble is just a freak show. They killed their pets and ate them.

Someone should take Lieder to puppy lake so that this perverted madness finally stops. A few days ago they were even discussing cannibalism on their page. Nancy`s Zetatalk is a real horror cult.

You can clearly see the difference between what she writes and how she acts. What an old dirty cunt. They were probably slaughthering thousands of dogs around 2003. This cult is a shame for the entire human race.
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Unfortunately I can't, for some reason, quote Truther's post but there speaks truth. No amount of glossing over or back-pedalling will distract from the reality of the true deception and horror of this cult.

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