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Strange, I thought that pole shit had advised their gullible idiots, sorry, members, not to post on this thread. Could it be because they might begin to see through the lies?
 Quoting: Elemental


Hmmm...a possibility and Ann is helping Nancy to persuade them not to come here by posting her rants.
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Why don't you ask Nancy about her motives or instructions directly?
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Because it would be pointless. I tried back in 2003 and she told me she hoped I found myself clinging to a mountain with my limbs useless during the "pole shift." Another time, she told me she hoped I drowned. So, that's what happens when you question the Queen Mother.
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Big difference here. She is still claiming 100% accuracy for the ZetaTalk message at this point. The "element of doubt" only applied to what the actual source of the accurate information might be. The "element of doubt" as to the accuracy of what the "Zetas" say never came into play until after 2003.

At no point did she ever say, for example, that 2003 might or might not be the date. She didn't start hedging her bets that way until after the big prophecy failed. Otherwise there would have been no need for the elaborate "White Lie" rationalization.
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Very true - in fact, there's ZetaTalk where the "Zetas" clearly state that they had given the dates out because the U.S. and Indonesian governments would no longer succeed with their plans thanks to Nancy's efforts in getting the word out. They also stated they had no problem with being precise about the date - May 27, 2003.

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I'm here to read your explanation. Simple. Could you furnish me with the knowledge as to why Nancy instructed her followers to murder their pets based on the unsubstantiated premise of disaster and also murdered her own dog? Both my dog and I are eager for your reply, forgive our impatience but this is a matter not easily forgiven.
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Why don't you ask Nancy about her motives or instructions directly?
 Quoting: Panta Rhei


Last time I had a membership on Nancy's ning I got banned for posting a link to a google image search for "crescent moon".
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Ouch! You should know better than trying to confuse them with facts and logic.
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Strange, I thought that pole shit had advised their gullible idiots, sorry, members, not to post on this thread. Could it be because they might begin to see through the lies?
 Quoting: Elemental


Hmmm...a possibility and Ann is helping Nancy to persuade them not to come here by posting her rants.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Ann is currently Nancy's favorite lap dog and most vocal parrot.
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- in fact, there's ZetaTalk where the "Zetas" clearly state that they had given the dates out because the U.S. and Indonesian governments would no longer succeed with their plans thanks to Nancy's efforts in getting the word out. They also stated they had no problem with being precise about the date - May 27, 2003.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

Ooh, anniversary next month.

Let's have a big Nibiru bash.
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I'm here to read your explanation. Simple. Could you furnish me with the knowledge as to why Nancy instructed her followers to murder their pets based on the unsubstantiated premise of disaster and also murdered her own dog? Both my dog and I are eager for your reply, forgive our impatience but this is a matter not easily forgiven.
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I'm still waiting.....
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I'm here to read your explanation. Simple. Could you furnish me with the knowledge as to why Nancy instructed her followers to murder their pets based on the unsubstantiated premise of disaster and also murdered her own dog? Both my dog and I are eager for your reply, forgive our impatience but this is a matter not easily forgiven.
 Quoting: Elemental


I'm still waiting.....
 Quoting: Elemental


I just found the perfect summary for you and many more who are reading this forum regularly -> [link to www.zetatalk.com] and an Excerpt for your specific question.


CALLER: Why did you kill your dog?

NANCY: Actually, ZetaTalk has been the subject of a great disinformation campaign, a hate campaign, every since it emerged in 1995 people have either loved it or hated it, and that's run about 50/50, my email runs like that. And there's been many organized campaigns to try to discredit ZetaTalk. It has an extremely high accuracy track record. This is one of the reasons for its success. I have never spammed email, gone out and promoted myself, called up and said 'oh please, please, have me on your show'. It has come to me. This is a bit astonishing because it is know around the world, there are very few countries I don't get email from. I hear that I've appeared in magazines in Australia or Germany. All that translation on my website is done by volunteers. This is because people say it has the ring of truth, brings things together, gives explanations to puzzles, and is so logical. So therefore, it's highly popular. It is giving out a message that the establishment, the people who are the bankers, the heads of government, organized religion, don't want you to hear. That we are going to have cataclysmic changes in our near future. That the governments know about this and are not informing you. That the alien presence is real and this is not something you need to fear and here's how you work with it, you are in control. These are messages they don't want out, so therefore there's a campaign to smear me, and smear ZetaTalk. One of them is the silliest thing.

I had a German Shepherd pup that I put to sleep at 18 months at the advice of the vet because he had been under socialized in the kennel and he was likely to attack people. He was already diving through windows when children rode by on their bikes. We were terrified he was going to bite a child. Someone asked me on live radio what the Zetas recommendation would be for people who had pets going into a pole shift. Starvation is expected to be rampant. 90% of the population is expected to die, not just from starvation, from injury, illness, depression, but starvation will be rampant. And their answer was, how are you going to feed that pet when your neighbor's child is starving? So our recommendation is, when you see the pole shift coming, and its imminent and there's no question, take it to the vet and put it to sleep. It's painless. Otherwise you're going to be starving your pet, if that's your choice, fine. And that got twisted around to Nancy Lieder the puppy killer. I kid you not, and that's my answer. It is a serious problem, and particularly with dogs, and that's not the reason we put this dog to sleep. He slept with us and ate at our table and sat on my lap, all 120 lbs of him, and watched TV, and we cried and he died in my arms, but he was going to bite somebody and probably a child and we just couldn't have it.
 Quoting: [link to www.zetatalk.com]


Apart from what Nancy explained: when I first heard about it I thought a starving dog may eventually turn against humans. Would I kill my dog before a pole shift in case I hear of it? I can't tell, not been in such a situation before. I think I would refresh the anti-rabies inoculation and put my dog a muzzle on, but honestly speaking I really can't tell.
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Thank you for answering. I will digest and ponder a while.
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Strange, I thought that pole shit had advised their gullible idiots, sorry, members, not to post on this thread. Could it be because they might begin to see through the lies?
 Quoting: Elemental


Hmmm...a possibility and Ann is helping Nancy to persuade them not to come here by posting her rants.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Another possibility is that Nancy doesn't want her followers to waste their time and energy on the "hopelessly lost".
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I just found the perfect summary for you and many more who are reading this forum regularly -> [link to www.zetatalk.com] and an Excerpt for your specific question.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: Panta Rhei


Actually we are all too aware of nancy lie...s zetababble- and of her attempts to cover up her mistakes- unfortunately that particular show was recorded and despite her attempts to cover it up- that summary is the lie and shows how desperate she is to hide the truth

(I often have the vision of nancy actually meeting the truth- As it hits her she goes into classical vampire/holy water mode- `the truth, the truth- OH IT BURNS' as she disappears in a smoking flare of fire)

I'll google around to find the actual recording of that particular show and post its link- and its `nothing' like her `summary' (surprise surprise)

I've listened to it several times in the past and its not surprising she wants to cover it up- even the shows host was rather shocked by what she said (and the audience reaction wasn't exactly a raving review in nancy's favour either)

If this is the quality of your defence- I'm rather disappointed as its stuff that was debunked quite literally years ago and the fact that's its so easily debunked doesn't bode well for any future postings- you obviously haven't even bothered to check even the most basic facts re miss lieders babblings which suggests to me that you are in fact a `true believer' which means that anything that goes against your cult beliefs will be brushed off without even the smallest thought crossing your mind.

I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt it
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[link to www.youtube.com]

Listen to the actual interview and make up your mind yourself- does what she says in her excerpt bear any resemblance to what she actually says in that recorded interview???

well?
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One question Panta; on the last occasion that I asked this question, I was advised that the killing of Nancy's pet and the instruction to murder pets was a white lie told by the zetas. Which is the correct version of events?
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[link to www.youtube.com]

Listen to the actual interview and make up your mind yourself- does what she says in her excerpt bear any resemblance to what she actually says in that recorded interview???

well?
 Quoting: aussie 763624 37081819


As this has rolled over onto a new page, I'd like to repost it so everyone can hear for themselves nancy's own words, straight from her, no interpretation needed

(notice also all the comments on that recording- it seems that almost- well everyone lol- finds her as distasteful as I do)

its well worth going to that link- simply to view the comments- that show that most people find her views as repugnant and insane as I do
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I`ve listened to this interview before. It reveals the shocking truth about that crazy cult. All this STO-babble is just a freak show. They killed their pets and ate them.

Someone should take Lieder to puppy lake so that this perverted madness finally stops. A few days ago they were even discussing cannibalism on their page. Nancy`s Zetatalk is a real horror cult.

You can clearly see the difference between what she writes and how she acts. What an old dirty cunt. They were probably slaughthering thousands of dogs around 2003. This cult is a shame for the entire human race.
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Unfortunately I can't, for some reason, quote Truther's post but there speaks truth. No amount of glossing over or back-pedalling will distract from the reality of the true deception and horror of this cult.
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Nancy`s whole story is a bunch of lies and abuse. The activities of that cult are criminal. I just remember that they gave some innocent and poor people the advice to leave Indonesia back in 2010. Some listened to that balderdash and lost everything. Nothing has changed there at all though Nancy and her perverted mob don`t want to accept this. There are still hundred thousands of tourists every year (many Australians and Japanese) and there is not one report about a change there.

If they were real they would have to admit that Nancy`s story more or less ended in 2003. No Nibiru showed up and that`s it. Many of the cultists lost everything, a lot of them their mind. Here was the point to quit and stop this crapola. But as Nancy is a real weird cult-leader madness just started there. Everything what followed was incredible ridiculous for all normal people but for some zealots this got a kind of new religion. We should not forget here that cults often address the weak and unbalanced who are far outside of the society. Sometimes even very intelligent beings get trapped as for example Niels N. in Germany or COS, who got a real Paulus after he rumbled Nancy. Everybody who wants to get some basic informations about this cult should read his precious google document. My respect for this.

The story with the poor pets which were really innocent and probably couldn`t believe the paranoia of their owners,- is both awkward and disgusting. Nancy Lieder already was a paranoid and selfish woman in 1995. Things got worse and worse for her. At another point she claimed that she would eat dogs to be able to smell Nibiru. So people who eat some frogs can jump like them? Embarrassing, disgusting and perverted. How can you top this? Perhaps when you try to find some planets with old floppy-disks?meds

Lieder`s crazy cult is a piece of history, but some of the cultists are stubborn and try to defend their superstition with all means. So they will at least have some waiting fun. In some weeks they can celebrate their 10th anniversary jihadof no Nobeeryou. Will the “Zetas” (aka Nancy) give them the advice to kill their pets again? They could do this to bring a sacrifice to their new god Nobeeryou.

Nancy`s cult is just incredible ridiculous.

@Elemental: It looks like my membership there wasn`t approved. lolsign

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[link to www.youtube.com]

Listen to the actual interview and make up your mind yourself- does what she says in her excerpt bear any resemblance to what she actually says in that recorded interview???

well?
 Quoting: aussie 763624 37081819


There are pictures too -

Transcript from the interview:


Interviewer 1: What about the last question for me Nancy, and you are terrific for talking to us today but, what about our listeners who have followed your advice and taken their dogs to Puppy Lake because of the impending collapse of America? What happens to them now?

Nancy: The puppies, the puppies didn't think that anything worse was happening to them than getting their annual rabies shot, and it didn't feel any different to them.

Interviewer 1: So they are in a happy place now? Ok?

Nancy: Yeah I mean they are in a happy place. I suspect there is a nice place in Puppy Heaven for those puppies.

Interviewer 2: Was that really your advice?

(laughter from radio people, one woman in the studio says "I don't remember it?")

Interviewer 2: You weren't really advising people to drown their dogs were you?

Nancy: Yeah...

Interviewer 2: You were?

Nancy: (stuttering) Yeah, well, (stuttering) and, and well the fact is they are gonna starve and be injured...

Interviewer 1: Nancy....? (in disbelief)

Nancy: .....and they'll be in a worse situation.... Or eaten.

Interviewer 1: What if you are wrong though and someone has killed their dog though?

Nancy: (pause) I love dogs... you have to know....

Interviewer: We can tell that...

Nancy: .....when I have a dog, its my lap baby. Even... I have German Shepherds and they sit on my lap.

Interviewer 1: Alright... have you killed your dogs?

Nancy: (pause) You just take them to the vet and, and they give them a shot...

Interviewer 1: Have you done that? Did you do that?

Interviewer 2: Ugh.... This has turned ugly!

Nancy: Yes, yes, yes...

(intelligible astonishment from the Radio people... One women in the studio asks "Did you do that?")

Nancy: ... and you sing to them and you stroke their little nose... You know?

Interviewer 1: Nancy, how old were your dogs when you took them to put them down?

Nancy: Oh, this one was only 18 months...Yeah...

Interviewer 1: (Astonished) Oh Nancy! (Laughs in disbelief) What are you doing?

Woman: You can go to a safe place, why don't you just take your dogs with you?

Nancy: Because what are you going to feed those dogs?

(Interviewer laughs)

Nancy: What... If there is a food shortage and all your neighbours can't go to the grocery store and they have hunted down the wildlife to nothing, they are gonna.... You know a dog makes a good meal....

Interviewer 1: Oh Nancy!!! (disgusted laugh)

Nancy: ... and, and then soon your dog is missing....

Interviewer 1: (mockingly) I was so on board with you baby, until right now! Now Nancy, you.... Im sure that you meet with people every day that think you are just full blown nuts...

Nancy: Oh yeah...

Interviewer 1: What do you say to them?

Nancy: I don't care what you think Im getting the message out, take it or leave it, its your business, its your life. But, I feel sorry for anybody who has small children who's gonna not at least keep an eye out for that day the sun goes down a couple of hours late, you know...

Interviewer 2: (sarcastically) Take them to puppy lake, right.

Interviewer 1: Alright Nancy we are out of time....

Nancy: (interrupting) You still have time to go to Puppy Heaven, you know, at that point in time....

Interviewer 2: Oh good... Now that's an important point...

Nancy: I never said do it now...

Interviewer 2: Awww Jeez....

Nancy: .....just do it before the pole shift.

Interviewer 1: ZetaTalk.com, Nancy we will talk to you in about a week... Thanks for your time.

Nancy: Thank you... bye, bye now.

(continues into disgusted, mocking and amazed chatter about what Nancy has just said...)
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She truly beggars belief Prof Rabbit......there are many things scientific on which Nancy can be called out; this, however, is an emotive subject and one which cannot, in any way, be justified.
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Hahaha, lol Veritas, that was a foregone conclusion my friend!
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It looks like they probably made some bad experiences with me.
I`m always a man of the truth. They are zealots of their own lies.

We should never forget that they are cultists. I gave their whole page a new cover back in 2011, shortly after they tried their 7 of 10 hoaxes. This new poleshit.ning.cover was there for nearly 55 minutes before the cultists were crying in anger and pain. At that time they claimed that Indonesia was under water and their 7 of 10 would only last a few weeks before a devastating tsunami would wipe out half of Europe.

We all know that these claims and predictions ended up in puppy heaven. After this little attack they showed all members that they are a really censored hardcore cult. I hit their nerve at the wrong time. But they had a lot of members at this time.

Meanwhile only a few zealots are left there. Most of them left the crazy cult.
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Not their lucky day! And your green light probably arrived ... lol! You are a green lantern dear!

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It looks like they probably made some bad experiences with me.
I`m always a man of the truth. They are zealots of their own lies.

We should never forget that they are cultists. I gave their whole page a new cover back in 2011, shortly after they tried their 7 of 10 hoaxes. This new poleshit.ning.cover was there for nearly 55 minutes before the cultists were crying in anger and pain. At that time they claimed that Indonesia was under water and their 7 of 10 would only last a few weeks before a devastating tsunami would wipe out half of Europe.

We all know that these claims and predictions ended up in puppy heaven. After this little attack they showed all members that they are a really censored hardcore cult. I hit their nerve at the wrong time. But they had a lot of members at this time.

Meanwhile only a few zealots are left there. Most of them left the crazy cult.
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Not their lucky day!
 Quoting: VeritasN1


Yes, just the hardened, brainwashed few left. All due respect to you for speaking out against lies & madness. It cant have been an easy realisation for you after being involved with them, nor must it be easy to see previous friends still entangled. Like I said, respect dude!
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original from youtube includes pic of the dog in question.

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Nope, I never was one of them and I never had friends there.
I`m just an average guy with some intelligence.

But I saw what they did with innocent people. This cult wants to drink their blood and to abuse them.

We are talking about pets here, but the real victims were human beings. Many of them!

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Nope, I never was one of them and I never had friends there.
I`m just an average guy with some intelligence.

But I saw what they did with innocent people. This cult wants to drink their blood and to abuse them.

We are talking about pets here, but the real victims were human beings. Many of them!
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Lol, sorry! No offence meant!
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Some old but still very funny stuff is available here -

[link to website.lineone.net]
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Some old but still very funny stuff is available here -

[link to website.lineone.net]
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Oh, it gets even better? zetas destroyed the space shuttle? Good grief, they are a murderous, lying breed.
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More fun when you understand how they were fleecing money from foundations -

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(Nancy) Questions? End of report.
(Mary) Repeat. Any idea of what can be expected in donations this year?
(Nancy) Mary, earlier in 2001, I heard from the Jula Dula Foundation that we may in fact get funds from them, again.
(Nancy) This was discussed, at one time, as $50,000.
(Nancy) Also, Knowledge Systems is giving us several thousands a year, in small donations that add up.
(Nancy) There is just no way of telling.
(Mary) Understood.
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[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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Hey prof Rabbit, good to see you!

Yup, Nancy doesn't like talking about her fraudulent little not for profit organization and the way donations ended up unaccounted for. She was supposed to build a radio tower, but never did. She inherited an old farm house and used the donations to make renovations so she could live there, under the pretext that the property was Zeta Headquarters. So many projects that were supposed to have been done with those tax free donated funds, and the only thing to show for it is a worm bed and restoring an old farmhouse enough to live in it. I guess at this point, after so many years she has gotten away with it, too late for the tax man to audit her, and as far as I know she dissolved the "organization" a few years ago.


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