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Some old but still very funny stuff is available here -

[link to website.lineone.net]
 Quoting: prof-rabbit nli 37074342


I love this! It's real lol stuff!
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I'm here to read your explanation. Simple. Could you furnish me with the knowledge as to why Nancy instructed her followers to murder their pets based on the unsubstantiated premise of disaster and also murdered her own dog? Both my dog and I are eager for your reply, forgive our impatience but this is a matter not easily forgiven.
 Quoting: Elemental


I'm still waiting.....
 Quoting: Elemental


I just found the perfect summary for you and many more who are reading this forum regularly -> [link to www.zetatalk.com] and an Excerpt for your specific question.


CALLER: Why did you kill your dog?

NANCY: Actually, ZetaTalk has been the subject of a great disinformation campaign, a hate campaign, every since it emerged in 1995 people have either loved it or hated it, and that's run about 50/50, my email runs like that. And there's been many organized campaigns to try to discredit ZetaTalk. It has an extremely high accuracy track record. This is one of the reasons for its success. I have never spammed email, gone out and promoted myself, called up and said 'oh please, please, have me on your show'. It has come to me. This is a bit astonishing because it is know around the world, there are very few countries I don't get email from. I hear that I've appeared in magazines in Australia or Germany. All that translation on my website is done by volunteers. This is because people say it has the ring of truth, brings things together, gives explanations to puzzles, and is so logical. So therefore, it's highly popular. It is giving out a message that the establishment, the people who are the bankers, the heads of government, organized religion, don't want you to hear. That we are going to have cataclysmic changes in our near future. That the governments know about this and are not informing you. That the alien presence is real and this is not something you need to fear and here's how you work with it, you are in control. These are messages they don't want out, so therefore there's a campaign to smear me, and smear ZetaTalk. One of them is the silliest thing.

I had a German Shepherd pup that I put to sleep at 18 months at the advice of the vet because he had been under socialized in the kennel and he was likely to attack people. He was already diving through windows when children rode by on their bikes. We were terrified he was going to bite a child. Someone asked me on live radio what the Zetas recommendation would be for people who had pets going into a pole shift. Starvation is expected to be rampant. 90% of the population is expected to die, not just from starvation, from injury, illness, depression, but starvation will be rampant. And their answer was, how are you going to feed that pet when your neighbor's child is starving? So our recommendation is, when you see the pole shift coming, and its imminent and there's no question, take it to the vet and put it to sleep. It's painless. Otherwise you're going to be starving your pet, if that's your choice, fine. And that got twisted around to Nancy Lieder the puppy killer. I kid you not, and that's my answer. It is a serious problem, and particularly with dogs, and that's not the reason we put this dog to sleep. He slept with us and ate at our table and sat on my lap, all 120 lbs of him, and watched TV, and we cried and he died in my arms, but he was going to bite somebody and probably a child and we just couldn't have it.
 Quoting: [link to www.zetatalk.com]


Apart from what Nancy explained: when I first heard about it I thought a starving dog may eventually turn against humans. Would I kill my dog before a pole shift in case I hear of it? I can't tell, not been in such a situation before. I think I would refresh the anti-rabies inoculation and put my dog a muzzle on, but honestly speaking I really can't tell.
 Quoting: Panta Rhei


Please be aware that you are quoting her explanation **after the fact.** She defended her ORIGINAL suggestion vis-a-vie putting down animals right up to May 15th, 2003, when (gasp!) nothing happened.

AFTER that failure was the scramble to explain, which you are quoting above. *Before* the date it was a means to express her *FAITH* in the Zeta message she was delivering.
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More fun when you understand how they were fleecing money from foundations -

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(Nancy) Questions? End of report.
(Mary) Repeat. Any idea of what can be expected in donations this year?
(Nancy) Mary, earlier in 2001, I heard from the Jula Dula Foundation that we may in fact get funds from them, again.
(Nancy) This was discussed, at one time, as $50,000.
(Nancy) Also, Knowledge Systems is giving us several thousands a year, in small donations that add up.
(Nancy) There is just no way of telling.
(Mary) Understood.
end quote

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: prof-rabbit nli 37074342


According to the last log of the non-profit, they were shutting down troubled-times at the end of 2012.
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Don't forget to read "THE BOOK!"

[link to www.zetatalk2.com]

This is some of the classical Nancy, very funny.
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27406633


Wrong. The planets are not trailing behind the sun in a "vortex" and the motion of the solar system through the galaxy is not at a right angle to our orbital motion around the sun. The solar apex, our solar system's direction of travel projected onto the sky has the coordinates of about 18hr RA, +30 degrees Dec ( [link to books.google.com] ) whereas our north ecliptic pole has coordinates of about 18hr RA, +66.5 degrees Dec.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
Therefore, our planet is at some points in its orbit "ahead" of the sun in the sun's direction of travel through the galaxy, specifically this condition is at its peak when the sun's position along the ecliptic in our sky is at 6hr RA, in other words, at the June solstice.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


You seem pretty sure of yourself. A LOT of smart people would beg to differ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28778741


LMFAO! Yes, I'm quite "sure of myself," that's not a bad thing. It's called being informed and intelligent. I'm well versed in celestial mechanics and the motion of the solar system. I do not claim to be the smartest, but of those who know more about it than me I have yet to see any of them suggest that the solar apex and ecliptic pole coincide with each other.

Whether you consider our direction of travel relative to the local stars in our galaxy (the solar apex) or even if you consider the motion of the local standard of rest within the arms of our galaxy ( [link to www.gb.nrao.edu] ) we are still not moving towards the ecliptic pole and we are still ahead of our sun at certain times of the year (in the latter case the vector of our direction of travel points to about 20h 57m, +47d 53' which is separated from our ecliptic pole by about 30 degrees and places us ahead of the sun relative to its direction of travel in August).
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well done, Astro. And I gotta say this particular post, including what's quoted above it, is a perfect example of how sort of...well, pathetically one-sided this neverending battle is between "Nibiru/PlanetX/whatever"-believers and debunkers.

Astro included in those 2 paragraphs alone more solid, thorough information than nearly every post I've ever seen a "Nibiru"-believer make, combined.

It's a joke. I've been participating in these asinine (though entertaining) "Nibiru"-debates for a couple years now and...these people, they really have no idea what they're talking about. And when they come up against someone who does, like Our Good Friend Dr. Astro, then that person becomes a villain, paid to post here by the moustache-twirling bad-guys at NASA.

Being knowledgeable= being a villain. :) Fantastic logic.

On another forum-I-cannot-name our Other Good Friend, that Other Doctor (Postman) was recently involved in a thread with a "Nibiru"-believer who spelled Jupiter "Jupitor" (multiple times) and believes "Nibiru" is hiding behind the Sun.

Watching the Good Doctor make mincemeat of this uneducated cretin is entertaining but also kind of sad.

lol...because the cretin just keeps coming back with more posts as dumb as the others and you realize..."Jesus, these people have no idea what the fuck is going on...They're just...fucking bonkers."

It's worth it to fight the good fight though. Amazingly I still see people occasionally wigging out over this shit. It feels good sometimes to set the record straight.

Sorry this is so long. Peace out. And remember- a dog makes a good meal!!!!!
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[link to www.youtube.com]

Listen to the actual interview and make up your mind yourself- does what she says in her excerpt bear any resemblance to what she actually says in that recorded interview???

well?
 Quoting: aussie 763624 37081819


As this has rolled over onto a new page, I'd like to repost it so everyone can hear for themselves nancy's own words, straight from her, no interpretation needed

(notice also all the comments on that recording- it seems that almost- well everyone lol- finds her as distasteful as I do)

its well worth going to that link- simply to view the comments- that show that most people find her views as repugnant and insane as I do
 Quoting: aussie 763624 37081819


Thank you!
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Don't forget to read "THE BOOK!"

[link to www.zetatalk2.com]

This is some of the classical Nancy, very funny.
 Quoting: prof-rabbit nli 37074342


This greatly pains my literary sensibilities!
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Some old but still very funny stuff is available here -

[link to website.lineone.net]
 Quoting: prof-rabbit nli 37074342


I love this! It's real lol stuff!
 Quoting: Elemental


I very much like the person who wrote this.
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Heh... they still think there's some woo-woo-wobble:
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Beside those claims deeply lack data to back it up, how could they miss that such a wobble would have been visible from the whole world?

I mean, I could go there and claim the sun set 20minutes late here and "Dr.Nancy" would jump on it claiming thats the wobble and Zetas right - without the slightest proof!

Hillarious.


Btw: Ann S also had to admit she has not the slightest proof about her "paid shills":
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Comment by ann s. 4 hours ago

It is not possible for me to prove exactly who is a paid shill at GLP as at least one of those paid shills has demanded. Shillery is done in secret!


Thanks Ann! Remember:
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. — Christopher Hitchens
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Bum-bye-paid-shill-BS
byekitty
(P.S. You gotta love this logic: It is not possible for me to prove exactly who is a paid shill at GLP as at least one of those paid shills has demanded.
lol
Lets you wonder how she concluded that person to be a "paid shill" when SHE says she cant prove it?
lmao



And regarding Nancy killing her dog,
I find the fact that Nancy killed it WHILE knowing there will be no poleshift (for the sole purpose of appearing "authentic") very embarassing.

I mean what if she had a whole group of puppies and May 2003 appearing?
Would she take them all down so that people couldnn't claim "Look even she didn't take it serious"?

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 03/29/2013 03:33 PM
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Lets imagine a situation:

Topic A is discussed,
Person B says that topic A cotains inconsistencies and backs it up with some analysis.
Person C claims that Person B is a disinformation agent but does not have anything to back it up.
Person B asks C for argumentation and offers all neccessary data to reproduce his conclusions.
Person C says Person B is not to be trusted because he's an disinformation-agent.
Person B continues to ask for argumentation, engages for open discussion.
Person C avoids argumentation due to the "fact" he's a disinformation-agent.
Person B again hints for sufficent proof or anything because anyone could claim such thing also everything to reproduce B's conclusions was presented so such claims would be irrelevant about topic A.
Person C leaves. Says he will not engage with disinformation-agents because they are paid not to understand.

PS-Ning logic: Person C is to be trusted. Person B to be ignored because he has come to a different conclusion than person C.
1dunno1
Every other rational people: Unless Person C has nothing to back up his claims he is not credible. Pure speculation.

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 03/29/2013 03:25 PM
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Lets imagine a situation:

Topic A is discussed,
Person B says that topic A cotains inconsistencies and backs it up with some analysis.
Person C claims that Person B is a disinformation agent but does not have anything to back it up.
Person B asks C for argumentation and offers all neccessary data to reproduce his conclusions.
Person C says Person B is not to be trusted because he's an disinformation-agent.
Person B continues to ask for argumentation, engages for open discussion.
Person C avoids argumentation due to the "fact" he's a disinformation-agent.
Person B again hints for sufficent proof or anything because anyone could claim such thing also everything to reproduce B's conclusions was presented so such claims would be irrelevant about topic A.
Person C leaves. Says he will not engage with disinformation-agents because they are paid not to understand.

PS-Ning logic: Person C is to be trusted. Person B to be ignored because he has come to a different conclusion than person C.
1dunno1
Every other rational people: Unless Person C has nothing to back up his claims he is not credible. Pure speculation.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


You are like a bitter ex who just got out of a bad relationship.

Let it go
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You are like a bitter ex who just got out of a bad relationship.

Let it go
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37110559


Whats your logic? lmao

About the latter,
Ill let her go if she stops fearmongering.
Problem?

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 03/29/2013 05:54 PM
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Heh... they still think there's some woo-woo-wobble:
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Beside those claims deeply lack data to back it up, how could they miss that such a wobble would have been visible from the whole world?

I mean, I could go there and claim the sun set 20minutes late here and "Dr.Nancy" would jump on it claiming thats the wobble and Zetas right - without the slightest proof!

Hillarious.



 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


I have two questions for them:

1. Where are they getting the sunrise/sunset times?
2. Is the above data correct for their location or are they pulling it from an almanac?
3. Are those times compensated for altitude?
4. Do they know the definition of sunrise/sunset?

Just to help them along, this is the official definition or sunset and sunrise:

The conventional definition:

Sunrise and sunset conventionally refer to the times when the upper edge of the disk of the Sun is on the horizon. Atmospheric conditions are assumed to be average, and the location is in a level region on the Earth's surface.

The technical definition:

Sunrise and sunset. For computational purposes, sunrise or sunset is defined to occur when the geometric zenith distance of center of the Sun is 90.8333 degrees. That is, the center of the Sun is geometrically 50 arcminutes below a horizontal plane. For an observer at sea level with a level, unobstructed horizon, under average atmospheric conditions, the upper limb of the Sun will then appear to be tangent to the horizon. The 50-arcminute geometric depression of the Sun's center used for the computations is obtained by adding the average apparent radius of the Sun (16 arcminutes) to the average amount of atmospheric refraction at the horizon (34 arcminutes).

Source: USNO

I'm probably one of the few around here who could do a rather accurate test of whether or not the Sun is rising at the correct time. I live on the Atlantic Coast (beach is only one causeway away and I'm going to have a little bit of free time during the week as I'm between government contracts). I've also got an HF radio I can set up in the truck to listen to WWV and get accurate time.
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Lets imagine a situation:

Topic A is discussed,
Person B says that topic A cotains inconsistencies and backs it up with some analysis.
Person C claims that Person B is a disinformation agent but does not have anything to back it up.
Person B asks C for argumentation and offers all neccessary data to reproduce his conclusions.
Person C says Person B is not to be trusted because he's an disinformation-agent.
Person B continues to ask for argumentation, engages for open discussion.
Person C avoids argumentation due to the "fact" he's a disinformation-agent.
Person B again hints for sufficent proof or anything because anyone could claim such thing also everything to reproduce B's conclusions was presented so such claims would be irrelevant about topic A.
Person C leaves. Says he will not engage with disinformation-agents because they are paid not to understand.

PS-Ning logic: Person C is to be trusted. Person B to be ignored because he has come to a different conclusion than person C.
1dunno1
Every other rational people: Unless Person C has nothing to back up his claims he is not credible. Pure speculation.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


You are like a bitter ex who just got out of a bad relationship.

Let it go
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That's it ? nothing more ? I'm surprised you took the time to type that.



( hey guys, was I supposed to laugh at that ? perhaps it was funny but just flew over my head ? )
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Heh... they still think there's some woo-woo-wobble:
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Beside those claims deeply lack data to back it up, how could they miss that such a wobble would have been visible from the whole world?

I mean, I could go there and claim the sun set 20minutes late here and "Dr.Nancy" would jump on it claiming thats the wobble and Zetas right - without the slightest proof!

Hillarious.



 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


I have two questions for them:

1. Where are they getting the sunrise/sunset times?
2. Is the above data correct for their location or are they pulling it from an almanac?
3. Are those times compensated for altitude?
4. Do they know the definition of sunrise/sunset?

Just to help them along, this is the official definition or sunset and sunrise:

The conventional definition:

Sunrise and sunset conventionally refer to the times when the upper edge of the disk of the Sun is on the horizon. Atmospheric conditions are assumed to be average, and the location is in a level region on the Earth's surface.

The technical definition:

Sunrise and sunset. For computational purposes, sunrise or sunset is defined to occur when the geometric zenith distance of center of the Sun is 90.8333 degrees. That is, the center of the Sun is geometrically 50 arcminutes below a horizontal plane. For an observer at sea level with a level, unobstructed horizon, under average atmospheric conditions, the upper limb of the Sun will then appear to be tangent to the horizon. The 50-arcminute geometric depression of the Sun's center used for the computations is obtained by adding the average apparent radius of the Sun (16 arcminutes) to the average amount of atmospheric refraction at the horizon (34 arcminutes).

Source: USNO

I'm probably one of the few around here who could do a rather accurate test of whether or not the Sun is rising at the correct time. I live on the Atlantic Coast (beach is only one causeway away and I'm going to have a little bit of free time during the week as I'm between government contracts). I've also got an HF radio I can set up in the truck to listen to WWV and get accurate time.
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Baah - a government shill!!!!!

(That's not me - but I'm sure as hell this will come from the poleshitters.)

cool2


.
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
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You are like a bitter ex who just got out of a bad relationship.

Let it go
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37110559


That's it ? nothing more ? I'm surprised you took the time to type that.

( hey guys, was I supposed to laugh at that ? perhaps it was funny but just flew over my head ? )
 Quoting: Wispa


These kinds of reactions show that you must have hit a nerve..
or a synapse?

idk.

Heh... they still think there's some woo-woo-wobble:
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Beside those claims deeply lack data to back it up, how could they miss that such a wobble would have been visible from the whole world?

I mean, I could go there and claim the sun set 20minutes late here and "Dr.Nancy" would jump on it claiming thats the wobble and Zetas right - without the slightest proof!

Hillarious.



 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


I have two questions for them:

1. Where are they getting the sunrise/sunset times?
2. Is the above data correct for their location or are they pulling it from an almanac?
3. Are those times compensated for altitude?
4. Do they know the definition of sunrise/sunset?

Just to help them along, this is the official definition or sunset and sunrise:

The conventional definition:

Sunrise and sunset conventionally refer to the times when the upper edge of the disk of the Sun is on the horizon. Atmospheric conditions are assumed to be average, and the location is in a level region on the Earth's surface.

The technical definition:

Sunrise and sunset. For computational purposes, sunrise or sunset is defined to occur when the geometric zenith distance of center of the Sun is 90.8333 degrees. That is, the center of the Sun is geometrically 50 arcminutes below a horizontal plane. For an observer at sea level with a level, unobstructed horizon, under average atmospheric conditions, the upper limb of the Sun will then appear to be tangent to the horizon. The 50-arcminute geometric depression of the Sun's center used for the computations is obtained by adding the average apparent radius of the Sun (16 arcminutes) to the average amount of atmospheric refraction at the horizon (34 arcminutes).

Source: USNO

I'm probably one of the few around here who could do a rather accurate test of whether or not the Sun is rising at the correct time. I live on the Atlantic Coast (beach is only one causeway away and I'm going to have a little bit of free time during the week as I'm between government contracts). I've also got an HF radio I can set up in the truck to listen to WWV and get accurate time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36720998

Baah - a government shill!!!!!

(That's not me - but I'm sure as hell this will come from the poleshitters.)
 Quoting: Hydra

lmao
ana
1rof1


Id look forward to see the results AC 37110559 if you ever come to do it.

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 03/29/2013 07:38 PM
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Hey prof Rabbit, good to see you!

Yup, Nancy doesn't like talking about her fraudulent little not for profit organization and the way donations ended up unaccounted for. She was supposed to build a radio tower, but never did. She inherited an old farm house and used the donations to make renovations so she could live there, under the pretext that the property was Zeta Headquarters. So many projects that were supposed to have been done with those tax free donated funds, and the only thing to show for it is a worm bed and restoring an old farmhouse enough to live in it. I guess at this point, after so many years she has gotten away with it, too late for the tax man to audit her, and as far as I know she dissolved the "organization" a few years ago.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal nli 10422385


I'm sure what you two earned this month as professional shillers far surpassed whatever Nancy took in.
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Hey prof Rabbit, good to see you!

Yup, Nancy doesn't like talking about her fraudulent little not for profit organization and the way donations ended up unaccounted for. She was supposed to build a radio tower, but never did. She inherited an old farm house and used the donations to make renovations so she could live there, under the pretext that the property was Zeta Headquarters. So many projects that were supposed to have been done with those tax free donated funds, and the only thing to show for it is a worm bed and restoring an old farmhouse enough to live in it. I guess at this point, after so many years she has gotten away with it, too late for the tax man to audit her, and as far as I know she dissolved the "organization" a few years ago.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal nli 10422385


I'm sure what you two earned this month as professional shillers far surpassed whatever Nancy took in.
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Whenever am I going to be approached for such a position? Ah, well.

Ad homimen noted, by the by.
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Heh... they still think there's some woo-woo-wobble:
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Beside those claims deeply lack data to back it up, how could they miss that such a wobble would have been visible from the whole world?

I mean, I could go there and claim the sun set 20minutes late here and "Dr.Nancy" would jump on it claiming thats the wobble and Zetas right - without the slightest proof!

Hillarious.



 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


I have two questions for them:

1. Where are they getting the sunrise/sunset times?
2. Is the above data correct for their location or are they pulling it from an almanac?
3. Are those times compensated for altitude?
4. Do they know the definition of sunrise/sunset?

Just to help them along, this is the official definition or sunset and sunrise:

The conventional definition:

Sunrise and sunset conventionally refer to the times when the upper edge of the disk of the Sun is on the horizon. Atmospheric conditions are assumed to be average, and the location is in a level region on the Earth's surface.

The technical definition:

Sunrise and sunset. For computational purposes, sunrise or sunset is defined to occur when the geometric zenith distance of center of the Sun is 90.8333 degrees. That is, the center of the Sun is geometrically 50 arcminutes below a horizontal plane. For an observer at sea level with a level, unobstructed horizon, under average atmospheric conditions, the upper limb of the Sun will then appear to be tangent to the horizon. The 50-arcminute geometric depression of the Sun's center used for the computations is obtained by adding the average apparent radius of the Sun (16 arcminutes) to the average amount of atmospheric refraction at the horizon (34 arcminutes).

Source: USNO

I'm probably one of the few around here who could do a rather accurate test of whether or not the Sun is rising at the correct time. I live on the Atlantic Coast (beach is only one causeway away and I'm going to have a little bit of free time during the week as I'm between government contracts). I've also got an HF radio I can set up in the truck to listen to WWV and get accurate time.
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Why go such a complex route? Get a GOTO telescope. Set your exact latitude and longitude. Align it with the *stars* before dawn. As the Sun is about to rise, have the GOTO system slew to the Sun. Don't look through eyepiece unless you have a solar filter (and one that fits on the BIG end of the telescope).

If anything is moving in any unpredictable ways: Sun, Earth, planets, or Moon, the telescope will fail to track them.

There you go.
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this week on zeta talk
Dog attacks are on the increase for several reasons, but the most significant reason is the tension and compression in the rock as plate movements increase.
lmao

Some zeta stock advice

What has been noted in analysis of just what stocks are being unloaded by Buffett is dependence on “consumer purchasing habits”. Will this change after the announcement? Will people spend less on health care products (Johnson & Johnson) and Intel computer parts and spend more on gardening equipment and camping supplies? Highly likely.

lmao

Now guys with telescopes might find this one useful

Planet X is near the Sun, within the orbit of Venus, and as word that Obama’s planned announcement to this effect is going forward and cannot be stopped, various parties who formerly debunked ZetaTalk are changing their story. Marshall Masters of YOWUSA is one who did not deny that Planet X existed, but attempted to ally with the cover-up by claiming it was out in space somewhere, at an undetermined location. He also has claimed that the myriad photos, videos, and SOHO images of the Planet X complex showing its location all these years are a result of cheap cameras or lens flares. Everyone is mistaken, except for Marshall Masters and his supposed team of experts.

lmao
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oops [link to www.zetatalk.com]
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zeta-troll babble babble
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The earth can`t wobble. There`d be huge tsunamis and all that stuff. No GPS would work.

Only Lieder`s brain is wobbling. She has a brain wobble..
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Love this bit.......

*thus it flows during the Earth’s rotation, in fact causing the Earth’s rotation by pulling in one direction or another, attracted to stuff in the Universe*

Great depth of scientific knowledge displayed here.......lol! What *stuff* might that be? Bacon sandwiches? Seaweed?
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this week on zeta talk
Dog attacks are on the increase for several reasons, but the most significant reason is the tension and compression in the rock as plate movements increase.
lmao

Some zeta stock advice

What has been noted in analysis of just what stocks are being unloaded by Buffett is dependence on “consumer purchasing habits”. Will this change after the announcement? Will people spend less on health care products (Johnson & Johnson) and Intel computer parts and spend more on gardening equipment and camping supplies? Highly likely.

lmao

Now guys with telescopes might find this one useful

Planet X is near the Sun, within the orbit of Venus, and as word that Obama’s planned announcement to this effect is going forward and cannot be stopped, various parties who formerly debunked ZetaTalk are changing their story. Marshall Masters of YOWUSA is one who did not deny that Planet X existed, but attempted to ally with the cover-up by claiming it was out in space somewhere, at an undetermined location. He also has claimed that the myriad photos, videos, and SOHO images of the Planet X complex showing its location all these years are a result of cheap cameras or lens flares. Everyone is mistaken, except for Marshall Masters and his supposed team of experts.

lmao
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Good grief!!! Do I need to take my solar telescope and main scope out to show there is nothing next to the sun??? Oh wait! Planet X is invisible along with its moon swirls.
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Good grief!!! Do I need to take my solar telescope and main scope out to show there is nothing next to the sun??? Oh wait! Planet X is invisible along with its moon swirls.
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Bah

Don't you know you have to use the CORRECT tools to see planet x!

A floppy disc and a cell phone camera!!!

Solar telescope indeed- you have to use the right tools for the right job and who would actually use a solar telescope worth thousands of dollars when `everybody' knows a crappy cellphone camera with plastic lense that cost the manufacturer at least a whole dollar is a far superior viewing tool....




:-O
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The Zetas have sent a new emissary. You can only see Nibiru after you make the right welcome dance ...

So forget your telescope ... ... LOL

Is this Nancy II or Ann S.?
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The earth can`t wobble. There`d be huge tsunamis and all that stuff. No GPS would work.

Only Lieder`s brain is wobbling. She has a brain wobble..
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Neither would Dish, DirecTV, Inmarsat, etc...
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The earth can`t wobble. There`d be huge tsunamis and all that stuff. No GPS would work.

Only Lieder`s brain is wobbling. She has a brain wobble..
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Neither would Dish, DirecTV, Inmarsat, etc...
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and of course all the amateur astronomers worldwide doing time lapse photography would be posting in every astronomy forum how their photos were being screwed up!!!

oh they aren't??

they are regularly posting photos that actually came out??

almost as if there is no wobble???

Colour me `shocked' by this development

It's almost as if planet x wasn't there and nancy LIEder was...


well....

lying...

Tell me that couldn't be true.........

:-O
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Hey prof Rabbit, good to see you!

Yup, Nancy doesn't like talking about her fraudulent little not for profit organization and the way donations ended up unaccounted for. She was supposed to build a radio tower, but never did. She inherited an old farm house and used the donations to make renovations so she could live there, under the pretext that the property was Zeta Headquarters. So many projects that were supposed to have been done with those tax free donated funds, and the only thing to show for it is a worm bed and restoring an old farmhouse enough to live in it. I guess at this point, after so many years she has gotten away with it, too late for the tax man to audit her, and as far as I know she dissolved the "organization" a few years ago.
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I'm sure what you two earned this month as professional shillers far surpassed whatever Nancy took in.
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Are they paying in AUD or USD, I could really use some cash right about now...


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