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You obviously diidn't notice the word *truthful* there.
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They usually don't. They only care about speculation and hearsay.
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Nancy`s world and predictions are a naive fallacy. There is no fortune teller out there who has a worse accuracy record than Lieder. You can see fails all along her way. Her personal disaster as water diviner started back in 1995 with her Hale-Bopp-hoax.

From that day on all her prophecy failed. You just have to remember the bunch of failed predictions of 2003. Circuit Breaker and Truther gave us a good reminder here. Even mentioning the word accuracy record in combination with Nancy Liar is a double hoax.

In my eyes Gerard Zwaan looks both mentally deficient and physically broken. He doesn`t write very much and when he writes something it seems to be pure comedy gold.

For example he was celebrating Hugo Chavez and Ahmadinedschad as real STOs. Chavez was a criminal mafia-boss and working together with the Columbian mafia. Meanwhile Zwaan appears to be rather abulic and lethargic.

He probably has the Niels-syndrome. Niels N. was the leader of the German Zeta-movement some years ago. In the end he had to resign because of very intense psychological problems.

The cult had broken and brainwashed him till he got crazy. I know about some people who were with him on a survival trip. He couldn`t talk with them anymore. In the night he was running up and down the stairs and tried to rip his own hair mumbling strange words. Zwaan has the same syndrome. It took Niels N. a last desperate effort to leave the cult. He probably had to start a psychotherapy. In his farewell letter he wrote that it will take him years till he can talk about that topic again. But he also made his peace and his pour soul came free again after he told everybody about Nancy`s blatant lies. COS rescued this poor man because he is strong and not afraid to speak out the truth when it is necessary. Zwaan will never come to this point again: he lost it all. The cult itself hated him (Niels N.) for throwing some light on Nancy`s lies. He was a humble servant for more than a decade, but he didn`t get one word of thank you. When you leave the cult, the cultists hate you because you are acting like a mirror for them. And they will break down and cry when they have to look into it. Ann S. is the best example for this phenomenon.

We are talking about a guy here who is living only a few meters away from the coast while awaiting the alleged Armageddon of his cult mistress. They are crazy and lost. Nothing in this weird cult makes sense but many of these poor cultists behave like ants. All their amount of intelligence was reduced to being cult insects with blind belief and refusing reality. They do not only try to see planets through old floppy disks they are Nancy`s brainwashed floppy disks. Zetatalk is a very sad story of abuse and criminal activities.

Here some other victims of cults talk about their way to freedom. It is a long and stony way. But you will have to start it if you don`t want to get completely lost. Cults like Zetatalk are very, very dangerous. There is no doubt about that.


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Nancy wasn't even the first to look for planet x.

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Contras:

1. Information received via telepathic communication with ETs via one, and only one, human Emissary: Nancy Lieder.
 Quoting: Gerard


Nice try Gerard... next time kick-start your brain and really start to think about some contras instead of such a onesided-opinion you copy n pasted.

2. Disagreeing discussion is not allowed.

3. The basic concepts deeply lack data to back it up. (Including the Pros above)

4. 99% of ZetaTalk is based on "belief"

5. Believers are not able for rational dicussion.

6. Disagreeing facts are considered wrong in some way.

7. ZetaTalk is blindly believed because it is supposed to be 100% accurate, eliminating every possibility
of natural critique.

8. Nancy keeps fearmongering while Point 3 is still apparent.

9....

 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


9. The Zetas and Nancy have repeatedly lied in the past, and admitted these lies, therefore their words should always be in doubt.

10. Any time a *specific* prediction or date in the future is made, the prediction fails.

11. The Earth/Solar System stubbornly refuses to dramatically end as advertised or scheduled.

11.5 The Earth/Solar System continue to behave exactly as if there were no PX at all.

12. Cornerstones of the ZT faith are provably false (Earth Halted).

13. The ZT Faith shares an enormous amount of characteristics with a classic cult. See 'When Prophecy Fails' by Festinger.

You could add a bunch more, I am sure.

In the meantime, I cannot help but notice the Believer ignoring my questions.

Panta -- what evidence can you imagine that would lead you to conclude that PX, as described by Nancy, doesn't exist?

How long are you willing to give Nancy the benefit of the doubt until you can provisionally conclude she is incorrect?

If nothing Nancy predicts (Obama announcement, Debunkers disappearing, PX plainly visible in sky) occurs by the end of this year, will you still believe Nancy?

If so, how about 2014?

If so, how long must Nancy's predictions fail to occur before you can provisionally conclude she is incorrect?
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Thread: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Debunker Talk Live Chat May 15
Feel free to quote ANY poster from those silly SOZT...EOZT threads etc etc.
Or just post your thoughts/opinions.

Open Discussion on Zetatalk; Bunkers; and it/their inability, over the last Six years to provide ANY truthful Facts and Knowledge to support the absurd Failed predictions of the "Candy Wrapper Aliens".

Let's see how long the Three "bunker" Amigos can bounce off each other in their little padded room over there on Zetatalk Jive Turkey Chat!!

PS: If any of you debunkers want to meet in the GLP text/voice chat for some LIVE audio conversation we should set a day/time to meet up in one of the rooms to have a discussion etc.

Would find it a pleasure to converse with some of you guys. I mean there's a wealth of different subjects to talk about besides this silly zetatalk stuff.

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 Quoting: Panta Rhei


You obviously diidn't notice the word *truthful* there.
 Quoting: Elemental


You obviously diidn't notice the word *truthful* there.
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The truth is in the eye of the beholder.
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For example he was celebrating Hugo Chavez and Ahmadinedschad as real STOs. Chavez was a criminal mafia-boss and working together with the Columbian mafia. Meanwhile Zwaan appears to be rather abulic and lethargic.

He probably has the Niels-syndrome. Niels N. was the leader of the German Zeta-movement some years ago. In the end he had to resign because of very intense psychological problems.

The cult had broken and brainwashed him till he got crazy. I know about some people who were with him on a survival trip. He couldn`t talk with them anymore. In the night he was running up and down the stairs and tried to rip his own hair mumbling strange words. Zwaan has the same syndrome. It took Niels N. a last desperate effort to leave the cult. He probably had to start a psychotherapy. In his farewell letter he wrote that it will take him years till he can talk about that topic again. But he also made his peace and his pour soul came free again after he told everybody about Nancy`s blatant lies. COS rescued this poor man because he is strong and not afraid to speak out the truth when it is necessary. Zwaan will never come to this point again: he lost it all. The cult itself hated him (Niels N.) for throwing some light on Nancy`s lies. He was a humble servant for more than a decade, but he didn`t get one word of thank you. When you leave the cult, the cultists hate you because you are acting like a mirror for them. And they will break down and cry when they have to look into it. Ann S. is the best example for this phenomenon.
 Quoting: VeritasN1


wow...
Niels has my full respect and admiration for being able to change his mind after so many years and I can imagine what he must be going through...

Unfortunately I didn't got to know him well so I can only speculate but his shift left me the impression that Niels was someone who always acted on the best of his conscience. A honest guy and very courageous to admit being wrong for such a long time.

I do not belong to that league, time-wise, and therefore only can partly relate how it must have felt like..

I wish him all the best on his transition and if he will read this one day, you got a friend over there in Hessen and I would be looking forward to get in touch if you ever feel compelled to do so.

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He is a Nancy-clown. She is sometimes sending us some trolls here. They will never answer a question and just use some copy and paste.

I guess Zetamax was the latest cult clown. They even want to look funny when they are posting bullshit. Soon...what means never.

The accident here is probably Poleshit-Poli. He`s a very poor man who got lost in this cult too. I still remember a dialogue with him and Niels N. back in 2009. They both swore that they won`t be here in 2011. Their Nancytalk would rescue them and the aliens would send them a lift.

It is a sad story, but you are still here, jackass! And nothing will change. How long do you want to wait?

I still remember their own predictions: 2013 would be too far out and we can not go further. When Nibiru will send us to heaven.

Like always when Nancy is trying to predict something, you will end up in an epic fail.

And it looks like their epic heaven is on godlikeproductions.com....1rof1pennywise

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In the meantime, I cannot help but notice the Believer ignoring my questions.

what evidence can you imagine that would lead you to conclude that PX, as described by Nancy, doesn't exist?

How long are you willing to give Nancy the benefit of the doubt until you can provisionally conclude she is incorrect?

If nothing Nancy predicts (Obama announcement, Debunkers disappearing, PX plainly visible in sky) occurs by the end of this year, will you still believe Nancy?

If so, how about 2014?

If so, how long must Nancy's predictions fail to occur before you can provisionally conclude she is incorrect?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444


I feel for you 744 hf
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Why do you want to die in your cult Panta Rhei? Is there no more hope for you?

Chin up, you don`t need a cult to survive. You will be able to write here in 5 years and in ten years.

So why do you wait for an old full blown nuts?
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The truth is in the eye of the beholder.
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Okay, fine. If you want to believe what Nancy says as the truth, that's your choice. However, at what point will you start to question if "Planet X" exists? If it fails to show up within 6 months? A year? 10 years? Why won't any believer answer that?
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The truth is in the eye of the beholder.
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Okay, fine. If you want to believe what Nancy says as the truth, that's your choice. However, at what point will you start to question if "Planet X" exists? If it fails to show up within 6 months? A year? 10 years? Why won't any believer answer that?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


If you you read what I said as user AC36382091/36779524 then you should have a picture of what I believe or not.
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If you you read what I said as user AC36382091/36779524 then you should have a picture of what I believe or not.
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Didn't see it and I've seen 74444 ask a couple of times with no response. What page is this "answer" on?
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If you you read what I said as user AC36382091/36779524 then you should have a picture of what I believe or not.
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Didn't see it and I've seen 74444 ask a couple of times with no response. What page is this "answer" on?
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I saw no answer, either. Kindly link.
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In the meantime, I cannot help but notice the Believer ignoring my questions.

what evidence can you imagine that would lead you to conclude that PX, as described by Nancy, doesn't exist?

How long are you willing to give Nancy the benefit of the doubt until you can provisionally conclude she is incorrect?

If nothing Nancy predicts (Obama announcement, Debunkers disappearing, PX plainly visible in sky) occurs by the end of this year, will you still believe Nancy?

If so, how about 2014?

If so, how long must Nancy's predictions fail to occur before you can provisionally conclude she is incorrect?

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I feel for you 744 hf
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Thank you. It continues to interest me how *no* believer, over the years, has ever answered this. It's as if they *know* their belief is false, and will thusly avoid any such concrete answers, so they might *continue* to believe that much longer.
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The truth is in the eye of the beholder.
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Okay, fine. If you want to believe what Nancy says as the truth, that's your choice. However, at what point will you start to question if "Planet X" exists? If it fails to show up within 6 months? A year? 10 years? Why won't any believer answer that?
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The truth is in the eye of the beholder.
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Okay, fine. If you want to believe what Nancy says as the truth, that's your choice. However, at what point will you start to question if "Planet X" exists? If it fails to show up within 6 months? A year? 10 years? Why won't any believer answer that?
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If we make it June 1st, I'll be SHOCKED!
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The truth is in the eye of the beholder.
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Okay, fine. If you want to believe what Nancy says as the truth, that's your choice. However, at what point will you start to question if "Planet X" exists? If it fails to show up within 6 months? A year? 10 years? Why won't any believer answer that?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


The truth is in the eye of the beholder.
 Quoting: Panta Rhei


Okay, fine. If you want to believe what Nancy says as the truth, that's your choice. However, at what point will you start to question if "Planet X" exists? If it fails to show up within 6 months? A year? 10 years? Why won't any believer answer that?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


If we make it June 1st, I'll be SHOCKED!
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ZM? Is that you?
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Nancy`s world and predictions are a naive fallacy. There is no fortune teller out there who has a worse accuracy record than Lieder.
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A 0% success-rate is a statistical anomaly.

Almost as if she's doing it on purpose.
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The truth is in the eye of the beholder.
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That would imply 7+ billion different truths, and ZetaTalk only being 0.00001% true.

Meanwhile, in grown-up land, there's only one physical reality, the one in which some questions only have yes/no answers.

Like the question: "Has Earth stopped in its orbit?"
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Nancytalk always was a toilet of lies...

Full of shit...
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If we make it June 1st, I'll be SHOCKED!
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Why June 1st? Nancy claims that "Planet X" will be "undeniable" in the sky five weeks prior to the "pole shift." Considering June 1st is only about 10 weeks out - if there were really a "rogue planet" four times the size of Venus headed towards us, while it might not be "undeniable" in the sky it would still be quite easy to find and see. Naturally, this brings up another interesting thing about believers - NONE of them have EVER gotten a telescope, learned how to use it and then photographed this "planet." Why? If they're SO convinced that Nancy is right - why do they only rely on highly questionable photos? Take Ann S for instance - if you look at her posts, it appears, based on her arrogance, that she can't wait to "rub our noses" in it. So, what's she waiting for? Why not get a telescope or contact a local astronomy group and prove "Planet X" exists! Quit waiting for some announcement to come from Obama because, well, for one thing, that isn't ever going to happen. Why hasn't Nancy ever gotten a telescope? This whole "Planet X Cover Up" could be so incredibly easy to prove if they would just take some time. But, instead, they rely on obfuscation.

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lmao

Since Ann S couldnt find appropiate proof of paid debunkers she went to ask Nancy for some on the last Q&A:
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Reply by ann s. 26 minutes ago

The Zetas have stated people are paid to debunk ZetaTalk. Unfortunately, since such activities are done strictly in secret, it is almost impossible for the average person to prove paid shills even exist.

But a paid shill may have made a critical error at the Godlike Productions (GLP) site on March 24, 2013, as the below article appears to show. The specific post was deleted from GLP, and a topic about it at the ats sucks forum was also removed.

It appears this was not a joke but an extremely rare example of a paid shill caught in the act by revealing paid shill operating instructions not meant for public viewing.

Could the Zetas tell us if someone got careless and provided a smoking gun or actual proof that paid shills do exist?




hehe...I can imagine the lines of Nancy's response...
It will be exactly what Ann S wants to hear..

Of course Nancy will claim it as proof of paid debunkers, while saying people are paid to debunk her BS...

No proof will be offered. It will be loose word as usual.

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Quoting Ann S.

Could the Zetas tell us if someone got careless and provided a smoking gun or actual proof that paid shills do exist?

First of all, Ann, once again the article was NOT removed from the original site. It's still there in the "hoax" section.

But secondly, what difference does it make? According to Nancy the earth is being bobbed up and down by the Zetas to conceal that it is stopped in orbit. If that were true and they were to stop, billions and billions of people would immediately know something was wrong.

So if you believe what Nancy says then the Zetas are far more responsible for deceiving people than a handful of debunkers at GLP.
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Quoting Ann S.

Could the Zetas tell us if someone got careless and provided a smoking gun or actual proof that paid shills do exist?

First of all, Ann, once again the article was NOT removed from the original site. It's still there in the "hoax" section.

But secondly, what difference does it make? According to Nancy the earth is being bobbed up and down by the Zetas to conceal that it is stopped in orbit. If that were true and they were to stop, billions and billions of people would immediately know something was wrong.

So if you believe what Nancy says then the Zetas are far more responsible for deceiving people than a handful of debunkers at GLP.
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BAM! Head shot.
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Hi 74444

our mutual friend AA / IDW is back:


[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Hi 74444

our mutual friend AA / IDW is back:


[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

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LOL -- wish I had looked here before I stumbled on that thread.

IDW/A.A's absolute statements always make me chuckle.

Thanks for the link.
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In just a short period of time he's already coming unglued.
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"There are no discrepancies in the trajectories of any space probes such as Pioneer 10, Pioneer 11, Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 that can be attributed to the gravitational pull of a large undiscovered object in the outer Solar System."
Littmann (1990), p. 204

You see, that the quote is from 1990 - 5 years before Nancy came up with her PX crap?

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He will occasionally stumble over the truth, but just as quickly pick himself up and carry on as if nothing happened, that is the lot of the ning tard.
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yer still alive !!!!...damn.....happy easter...
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I think that this must have been provided purely for amusement......

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Notice Astro's mention...!
 Quoting: Elemental


Gerard -
The Establishment deliberately covered up the presence of Planet X since at least 1983.


quote (1983)
So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a
nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that
it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the
light cast by its stars ever gets through.

"All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief
scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory
for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.
end quote
 Quoting: prof-rabbit nli 37182787


The ZetaTalk Newsletter
Issue 73, Sunday April 13, 2008
Seeking Planet X -> [link to www.zetatalk.com]

[While the IRAS team struggled to explain just what they had found, they were quick to point out that it was not "incoming mail". But how could they say that if they didn't know quite what it was? The quick assurance that the discovery was not "inbound" was a clue that panic was just under the surface. The fear was that the public would panic and make demands on the government, and thus a cover-up was quickly put into place. All talk of the true purpose of the Pioneer probes and those perturbations on outer planets that had been observed for centuries was halted. ]
 Quoting: Panta Rhei


Did any of the ningtards and zetatards ever bother to read these two papers? I bet not.

[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu]

[link to www.annualreviews.org]

Note that both papers have Neugebauer as a co-author.

Zetatalk Debunked!
“Fear always springs from ignorance” - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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The truth is in the eye of the beholder.
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As expected from a "true believer" - avoidance of all facts and failure to answer questions posed.
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The truth is in the eye of the beholder.
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As expected from a "true believer" - avoidance of all facts and failure to answer questions posed.
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Yeah, I'm still trying to work out how truth can be subjective.......!
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
You obviously diidn't notice the word *truthful* there.
 Quoting: Elemental


They usually don't. They only care about speculation and hearsay.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Do you get double time for "working" on a holiday?

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