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Heck, Nancy's empty bravado and lying about me personally is what brought me to GLP in the first place.

So, at least from my point of view, it wasn't *all* bad. Just horribly inaccurate.
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What did she say about you (lying). Can you talk about it or is that too personal?
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It was a lie she told about me that set me against her. It was during a live chat thing and I had PMed somebody during it. She lied to the room, saying that I was telling that person NOT to look for PX in the sky. I was actually telling them the opposite.
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Heck, Nancy's empty bravado and lying about me personally is what brought me to GLP in the first place.

So, at least from my point of view, it wasn't *all* bad. Just horribly inaccurate.
 Quoting: 74444


What did she say about you (lying). Can you talk about it or is that too personal?
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74444 in particular dislikes having his faults pointed out.
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Troll
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Heck, Nancy's empty bravado and lying about me personally is what brought me to GLP in the first place.

So, at least from my point of view, it wasn't *all* bad. Just horribly inaccurate.
 Quoting: 74444


What did she say about you (lying). Can you talk about it or is that too personal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9735853


74444 in particular dislikes having his faults pointed out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41156685


Troll
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It's interesting, but would mr 41156685 care to post a link to such happening?

I mean you must have evidence...

Oh wait....

Silly me, I forgot where I was for a moment
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Heck, Nancy's empty bravado and lying about me personally is what brought me to GLP in the first place.

So, at least from my point of view, it wasn't *all* bad. Just horribly inaccurate.
 Quoting: 74444


What did she say about you (lying). Can you talk about it or is that too personal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9735853


74444 in particular dislikes having his faults pointed out.
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I'm sorry but what do you mean by that? I think he is able to speak for himself, isn't he? It is fine for me if he doesn't answer for whatever reason.
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Heck, Nancy's empty bravado and lying about me personally is what brought me to GLP in the first place.

So, at least from my point of view, it wasn't *all* bad. Just horribly inaccurate.
 Quoting: 74444


What did she say about you (lying). Can you talk about it or is that too personal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9735853


It was a lie she told about me that set me against her. It was during a live chat thing and I had PMed somebody during it. She lied to the room, saying that I was telling that person NOT to look for PX in the sky. I was actually telling them the opposite.
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Thanks Menow for your comment. I wonder what her purpose was to lie when she knows that everybody has his/her own perspective of things. Maybe she tried to drag you out? A little bit like a provocation here and there to get rid of uneasy questions?
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Thanks Menow for your comment. I wonder what her purpose was to lie when she knows that everybody has his/her own perspective of things. Maybe she tried to drag you out? A little bit like a provocation here and there to get rid of uneasy questions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9735853


There's an old saying I've heard

`They couldn't lie straight in bed'

meaning the person is a compulsive liar

nancy LIEder (how apt) has proven again and again over the years that she has no problems lying to people- lol- even the `zetas' have no issues with lying when their predictions fail to come true (the great `White Lie' of 2003 springs to mind)
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Heck, Nancy's empty bravado and lying about me personally is what brought me to GLP in the first place.

So, at least from my point of view, it wasn't *all* bad. Just horribly inaccurate.
 Quoting: 74444


What did she say about you (lying). Can you talk about it or is that too personal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9735853


It was a lie she told about me that set me against her. It was during a live chat thing and I had PMed somebody during it. She lied to the room, saying that I was telling that person NOT to look for PX in the sky. I was actually telling them the opposite.
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Thanks Menow for your comment. I wonder what her purpose was to lie when she knows that everybody has his/her own perspective of things. Maybe she tried to drag you out? A little bit like a provocation here and there to get rid of uneasy questions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9735853


Nancy is willing to say anything to support her story. She is a sociopathic liar. She has no comprehension of what is true and what is false. If it supports her story, it is "true" in her mind.
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Wow! That was a catch up for sure! I didn't realise the depth of stupidity of the zetatwerps.......ah, nearly 20 years in and *still waiting for nobeeryou* lol!
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And as we have seen before, she will even edit Zetatalk to reverse her predictions and make corrections if she needs to, even though zetatalk is supposed to be word for word what the zetas tell her. We have caught her in lies, we have caught her plagiarizing the material of others, we have caught her lying, her ignorance has been exposed time and time again and we have caught her with her hand in the sock puppet. Most people would have quietly retired by now, but she keeps going and I can't see her stopping at this point until death takes her. She is a sociopath who needs to feel like she has authority over others. Thankfully, her ship has sailed and only a handful of hangers on believe anything she says anymore.
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What did she say about you (lying). Can you talk about it or is that too personal?
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Thanks Menow for your comment. I wonder what her purpose was to lie when she knows that everybody has his/her own perspective of things. Maybe she tried to drag you out? A little bit like a provocation here and there to get rid of uneasy questions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9735853


Nancy is willing to say anything to support her story. She is a sociopathic liar. She has no comprehension of what is true and what is false. If it supports her story, it is "true" in her mind.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382


I would lean towards psychopathy rather than sociopathy; her delusions are full of self aggrandisement.

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I been wandering back through the old usenet postings for the last few days, there's heaps in there I had forgotten...

I wonder when the safe height above sealevel went from 200ft to 600ft?

And where's Jan these days???

(There was a rabid polesitter- I wonder if they still believe or did they wake up and smell the `roses'(coughs bullshitte)


The sheer volume of nancy's documented lies and made up `facts' is truly astounding, she actually seems incapable of telling the truth at all
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Wow! That was a catch up for sure! I didn't realise the depth of stupidity of the zetatwerps.......ah, nearly 20 years in and *still waiting for nobeeryou* lol!
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For some real eye-opening I suggest you look at the archives of the old LIVE online Zetachats. Not sure where to find them any more. You can see, somewhere near the end of the series, that Nancy looses it and starts calling Mike Cunningham a "pimp" and Sarah Macintyre his "whore" and the like when they speak out against her. Even Gerard, who is "obany" on the chats freaks out over what Nancy is saying and tosses her out of her own live chat. It was a real hoot!
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I been wandering back through the old usenet postings for the last few days, there's heaps in there I had forgotten...

I wonder when the safe height above sealevel went from 200ft to 600ft?

And where's Jan these days???

(There was a rabid polesitter- I wonder if they still believe or did they wake up and smell the `roses'(coughs bullshitte)


The sheer volume of nancy's documented lies and made up `facts' is truly astounding, she actually seems incapable of telling the truth at all
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Jan Rypdal is long gone. He bought his own telescope, learned how to use it and found out that Nancy was lying. He was also caught up in the whole power struggle, as I recall, where Nancy pulled a power play and purged some of the insiders. It had something to do with financing, etc. It's been a long time.
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And as we have seen before, she will even edit Zetatalk to reverse her predictions and make corrections if she needs to, even though zetatalk is supposed to be word for word what the zetas tell her. We have caught her in lies, we have caught her plagiarizing the material of others, we have caught her lying, her ignorance has been exposed time and time again and we have caught her with her hand in the sock puppet. Most people would have quietly retired by now, but she keeps going and I can't see her stopping at this point until death takes her. She is a sociopath who needs to feel like she has authority over others. Thankfully, her ship has sailed and only a handful of hangers on believe anything she says anymore.
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The thing is, she can ignore anything we show proving her wrong and it washes away on the never-ending stream of the internet river. Her story is preserved and repeated on her own site, but there is not nearly the archive, in one place, of where she was proven wrong over and over and over again. It's just the same with chemtrails, these days. The lies and falsehoods are repeated over and over and over again and it's like brush fires in dry grass on a windy day- you stamp out one hot spot and it just rears up in another.
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Thanks Menow for your comment. I wonder what her purpose was to lie when she knows that everybody has his/her own perspective of things. Maybe she tried to drag you out? A little bit like a provocation here and there to get rid of uneasy questions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9735853


Nancy is willing to say anything to support her story. She is a sociopathic liar. She has no comprehension of what is true and what is false. If it supports her story, it is "true" in her mind.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382


I would lean towards psychopathy rather than sociopathy; her delusions are full of self aggrandisement.
 Quoting: Elemental


I guess the technical difference is lost on me. I think she actually believes she is being altruistic and a martyr and serving the higher good.
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I'm currently in the middle of the installation of Jan and co on tt-watch (ie the `takeover' funnily enough the last post I just read had his full name, address etc all listed)

The installation of her `minions' had (has) a rather telling taste to it

And for the ningtard that was `she is never nasty' I suggest a look through those old usenet postings by nancy- she actually has toned it down quite a bit since then (probably to ensure legal actions against her would be less likely- what she was posting back then was definitely lawyer fodder for those she was defaming)

Anyways I'm off to watch the extended version of the exorcist
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Thanks Menow for your comment. I wonder what her purpose was to lie when she knows that everybody has his/her own perspective of things. Maybe she tried to drag you out? A little bit like a provocation here and there to get rid of uneasy questions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9735853


Nancy is willing to say anything to support her story. She is a sociopathic liar. She has no comprehension of what is true and what is false. If it supports her story, it is "true" in her mind.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382


I would lean towards psychopathy rather than sociopathy; her delusions are full of self aggrandisement.
 Quoting: Elemental


I guess the technical difference is lost on me. I think she actually believes she is being altruistic and a martyr and serving the higher good.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382


I don't think so. I think she knows full well that she is full of shit. Someone who truly believes they are working for the greater good does not play so nasty and get so defensive about questions, observations that put her ideas to the test and criticism. If she truly believed her schtick, she would welcome questions and the opportunity to show people how she is right. She won't allow questions, she won't allow anything she has not approved because she knows her schtick can't be defended in a room where there are people with IQs above the high 90's. She clings to the need to censor and ban because she is afraid that even the dummies that sustain her cult might see the light and bring her scam down once and for all.
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I don't think so. I think she knows full well that she is full of shit. Someone who truly believes they are working for the greater good does not play so nasty and get so defensive about questions, observations that put her ideas to the test and criticism. If she truly believed her schtick, she would welcome questions and the opportunity to show people how she is right. She won't allow questions, she won't allow anything she has not approved because she knows her schtick can't be defended in a room where there are people with IQs above the high 90's. She clings to the need to censor and ban because she is afraid that even the dummies that sustain her cult might see the light and bring her scam down once and for all.
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high 90's???

me thinks you are far too generous...
high 9's maybe....


(actually thats not strictly true- many quite intelligent people have gotten caught up in cults in the past and I dare say more will in the future- unfortunately some people who are otherwise quite smart seem to have a `weak spot' when it comes to certain power structures that other quite odious types use to their advantage)

nighto all
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I'm feeling generous today. LOL
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I would lean towards psychopathy rather than sociopathy; her delusions are full of self aggrandisement.
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I guess the technical difference is lost on me. I think she actually believes she is being altruistic and a martyr and serving the higher good.
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You're quite right. She believes that she is an altruist; a crusader blocked by Jews. This, however, is merely a cover for lack of knowledge and skill. Bluff & counter bluff are IDW's cornerstones.
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Nancy is willing to say anything to support her story. She is a sociopathic liar. She has no comprehension of what is true and what is false. If it supports her story, it is "true" in her mind.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382


I would lean towards psychopathy rather than sociopathy; her delusions are full of self aggrandisement.
 Quoting: Elemental


I guess the technical difference is lost on me. I think she actually believes she is being altruistic and a martyr and serving the higher good.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382


I don't think so. I think she knows full well that she is full of shit. Someone who truly believes they are working for the greater good does not play so nasty and get so defensive about questions, observations that put her ideas to the test and criticism. If she truly believed her schtick, she would welcome questions and the opportunity to show people how she is right. She won't allow questions, she won't allow anything she has not approved because she knows her schtick can't be defended in a room where there are people with IQs above the high 90's. She clings to the need to censor and ban because she is afraid that even the dummies that sustain her cult might see the light and bring her scam down once and for all.
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I believe that those two things we see, which seem mutually exclusive, are co-existing within Nancy. That's why I have always said that she is 'channelling' and has become possessed by whatever "Zetas" is.
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Heck, Nancy's empty bravado and lying about me personally is what brought me to GLP in the first place.

So, at least from my point of view, it wasn't *all* bad. Just horribly inaccurate.
 Quoting: 74444


What did she say about you (lying). Can you talk about it or is that too personal?
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74444 in particular dislikes having his faults pointed out.
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Are you kidding? How is one supposed to improve *unless* said faults are pointed out?

I consider it highly complimentary, actually -- that one is willing to listen carefully enough to *point out* said faults. I wouldn't *do* it if I couldn't *take* it.

And you likely *are* a troll, but it was a fine excuse for an explanation.
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Heck, Nancy's empty bravado and lying about me personally is what brought me to GLP in the first place.

So, at least from my point of view, it wasn't *all* bad. Just horribly inaccurate.
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What did she say about you (lying). Can you talk about it or is that too personal?
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I was along time ago, on one of her Live Chats way back when. She claimed I was there by her/Zeta request, something along the lines of "he is posting to prop up the Zetatalk message." I challenged her on it and she banned me. Later I asked her some questions on Coast to Coast AM, too. So when she came to GLP, I started taking her to task over many astronomical claims.

I should thank her, as it was the mindset that would later start compiling all the quotes for The Big List of what IDW Knows... and that's been a lot of fun.
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Thanks Menow for your comment. I wonder what her purpose was to lie when she knows that everybody has his/her own perspective of things. Maybe she tried to drag you out? A little bit like a provocation here and there to get rid of uneasy questions?
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Sorry to jump in, but did you heared Nancy now claims I am a BlackOps (or somebody else)?
Nancy didn't claimed it per se, but Astrogal aka Ann S did - and she would not just come up with such BS - i.e. I am very sure that it was Nancy who claimed this because she didn't liked that Ann was dealing with the debunkers.

Basically she repeats the procedure she did with the former Moderators T, Ken, Lothar & Maria to avoid the other Mods dealing with the issue at all by claiming they are somebody else pretending to be those Mods.

nancy LIEder (how apt) has proven again and again over the years that she has no problems lying to people
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Absolutely. She is ruthless. The sneaky-, cowardy-type = she will lie to you flat in the face but NEVER admit any of it.

I don't want to reveal too much at this point.
Nancy is best taken by suprise.
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Forgot to log in. Post above is me.
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74444 in particular dislikes having his faults pointed out.
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He has absolutely no problem with it...when the faults are true. What he doesn't appreciate is when you lie.
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Heck, Nancy's empty bravado and lying about me personally is what brought me to GLP in the first place.

So, at least from my point of view, it wasn't *all* bad. Just horribly inaccurate.
 Quoting: 74444


What did she say about you (lying). Can you talk about it or is that too personal?
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I was along time ago, on one of her Live Chats way back when. She claimed I was there by her/Zeta request, something along the lines of "he is posting to prop up the Zetatalk message." I challenged her on it and she banned me. Later I asked her some questions on Coast to Coast AM, too. So when she came to GLP, I started taking her to task over many astronomical claims.

I should thank her, as it was the mindset that would later start compiling all the quotes for The Big List of what IDW Knows... and that's been a lot of fun.
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Thanx for your answer 74444. It appears to me that she is a strange person when I hear such stories. I don't know who or what IWD is but I will find out soon I guess.
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Thanks Menow for your comment. I wonder what her purpose was to lie when she knows that everybody has his/her own perspective of things. Maybe she tried to drag you out? A little bit like a provocation here and there to get rid of uneasy questions?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9735853


Sorry to jump in, but did you heared Nancy now claims I am a BlackOps (or somebody else)?
Nancy didn't claimed it per se, but Astrogal aka Ann S did - and she would not just come up with such BS - i.e. I am very sure that it was Nancy who claimed this because she didn't liked that Ann was dealing with the debunkers.

Basically she repeats the procedure she did with the former Moderators T, Ken, Lothar & Maria to avoid the other Mods dealing with the issue at all by claiming they are somebody else pretending to be those Mods.

nancy LIEder (how apt) has proven again and again over the years that she has no problems lying to people
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Absolutely. She is ruthless. The sneaky-, cowardy-type = she will lie to you flat in the face but NEVER admit any of it.

I don't want to reveal too much at this point.
Nancy is best taken by suprise.
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Did she say you developed being a so called BlackOp (whatever this means) or did she say you have always been one? The latter would be astonishing because why would they allow you to join their team anyway?
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Did she say you developed being a so called BlackOp (whatever this means) or did she say you have always been one? The latter would be astonishing because why would they allow you to join their team anyway?
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I allegedly was replaced by a blackOps just recently (or so it seems)... at least thats what Ann S' wants to believe (wahrscheinlich auf Ninnies Mist gewachsen).

No, Nancy wouldn't be able to claim I was a blackOps all along otherwise she would have to explain how the "Zetas" were unaware of the whole thing - and that would be revealing she really has no clue -
Aside from the fact that the Mods know me extremly well. (Gerard and another Moderator even came to visit me personally).


If you aren't familiar with these BlackBS claims you may take a look into the link at my signature.

Wasnt the first time, probably also not the last time..

At least, in case of doubts, Gerard can even come to visit me.. well.. if he has the courage to do so. (Not because I wouldn't like to see him again, but because they're totally paranoid and scared of this alleged BlackOps crapola.)
BTW: Same counts for "Ann"...Skype? :)

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Did she say you developed being a so called BlackOp (whatever this means) or did she say you have always been one? The latter would be astonishing because why would they allow you to join their team anyway?
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I allegedly was replaced by a blackOps just recently (or so it seems)... at least thats what Ann S' comment indicate.

No, Nancy wouldn't be able to claim I was a blackOps all along otherwise she would have to explain how the "Zetas" were unaware of the whole thing - and that would be revealing she really has no clue -
Aside from the fact that the Mods know me extremly well. (Gerard and another Moderator even came to visit me personally).


If you aren't familiar with these BlackBS claims you may take a look into the link at my signature.

Wasnt the first time, probably also not the last time..

At least, in case of doubts, Gerard can even come to visit me.. well.. if he has the courage to do so. (Not cuz I wouldn't like to see him again, but because they're totally paranoid and scared of this alleged BlackOps crapola.)
BTW: Same counts for Ann...
Skype? :)
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Well it sounds like this whole thing is based on fear. If you come up with uneasy questions you are going to be banned. I have seen that in their rules section somewhere. This basically kills any kind of 'dicussion' because it is a one sided power game played. Doesn't sound very friendly to me.

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