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Hi all, hope that you're enjoying a glorious weekend :)

What a catch up read the last pages have been!! Return of the zombies lol ;))
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I see that down further Nancy does cite where she got the image here: [link to www.space.com]
 Quoting: Menow 32588382

The photo was licenced to Space.com but not to Polshit-Nancy.
And I'm quite sure, the photographer would never licence it for the purpose, Poleshit-Nancy used it.


It's too bad that there is no mention that it is a manipulated photo. Apparently this photographer is known for creating mind-boggling images where the sky is somehow skewed.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382

The photo is not manipulated in any way.
Although the location - where the photo was taken - is not situated at the equator, it's close to the Tropic of Cancer and you can see wide parts of the southern sky.

Take a wide angle lense and point it west.
Polaris is to the right and the star trails from northern stars bend right.
Star trails from stars close to the ecliptic are almost straight.
And star trails from stars in the southern hemisphere are bend to the left.

Just a usual wide angle photo.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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I see that down further Nancy does cite where she got the image here: [link to www.space.com]
 Quoting: Menow 32588382

The photo was licenced to Space.com but not to Polshit-Nancy.
And I'm quite sure, the photographer would never licence it for the purpose, Poleshit-Nancy used it.


It's too bad that there is no mention that it is a manipulated photo. Apparently this photographer is known for creating mind-boggling images where the sky is somehow skewed.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382

The photo is not manipulated in any way.
Although the location - where the photo was taken - is not situated at the equator, it's close to the Tropic of Cancer and you can see wide parts of the southern sky.

Take a wide angle lense and point it west.
Polaris is to the right and the star trails from northern stars bend right.
Star trails from stars close to the ecliptic are almost straight.
And star trails from stars in the southern hemisphere are bend to the left.

Just a usual wide angle photo.

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I don't know... here is some of his other work:

[link to plus.google.com (secure)]
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It looks to me as if Nancy tried to do enough processing and manipulation of that image to keep it from being traced back. I had no luck with a regular Google image search on it. I found it by tracking the photographer and Nancy DID leave the copyright citation on the image.
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It looks to me as if Nancy tried to do enough processing and manipulation of that image to keep it from being traced back. I had no luck with a regular Google image search on it. I found it by tracking the photographer and Nancy DID leave the copyright citation on the image.
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I see that down further Nancy does cite where she got the image here: [link to www.space.com]
 Quoting: Menow 32588382

The photo was licenced to Space.com but not to Polshit-Nancy.
And I'm quite sure, the photographer would never licence it for the purpose, Poleshit-Nancy used it.


It's too bad that there is no mention that it is a manipulated photo. Apparently this photographer is known for creating mind-boggling images where the sky is somehow skewed.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382

The photo is not manipulated in any way.
Although the location - where the photo was taken - is not situated at the equator, it's close to the Tropic of Cancer and you can see wide parts of the southern sky.

Take a wide angle lense and point it west.
Polaris is to the right and the star trails from northern stars bend right.
Star trails from stars close to the ecliptic are almost straight.
And star trails from stars in the southern hemisphere are bend to the left.

Just a usual wide angle photo.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


I don't know... here is some of his other work:

[link to plus.google.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Menow 41235377

Photo No 68/69: edge distortion by the optics

He uses unusal optics like ultra wide angle lenses and fisheye lenses as well as multiple exposures and effect filters.
I didn't find any manipulated photo in your link.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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It looks to me as if Nancy tried to do enough processing and manipulation of that image to keep it from being traced back. I had no luck with a regular Google image search on it. I found it by tracking the photographer and Nancy DID leave the copyright citation on the image.
 Quoting: Menow 41235377

It's just the negative image.

Converte it back (negative image again) extract the single photos and you can do a Google image search.

That's how I found the original from Ajay Talwar.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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I see that down further Nancy does cite where she got the image here: [link to www.space.com]
 Quoting: Menow 32588382

The photo was licenced to Space.com but not to Polshit-Nancy.
And I'm quite sure, the photographer would never licence it for the purpose, Poleshit-Nancy used it.


It's too bad that there is no mention that it is a manipulated photo. Apparently this photographer is known for creating mind-boggling images where the sky is somehow skewed.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382

The photo is not manipulated in any way.
Although the location - where the photo was taken - is not situated at the equator, it's close to the Tropic of Cancer and you can see wide parts of the southern sky.

Take a wide angle lense and point it west.
Polaris is to the right and the star trails from northern stars bend right.
Star trails from stars close to the ecliptic are almost straight.
And star trails from stars in the southern hemisphere are bend to the left.

Just a usual wide angle photo.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


I don't know... here is some of his other work:

[link to plus.google.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Menow 41235377

Photo No 68/69: edge distortion by the optics

He uses unusal optics like ultra wide angle lenses and fisheye lenses as well as multiple exposures and effect filters.
I didn't find any manipulated photo in your link.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


I think I see that now. I didn't understand what I was looking at. There is no 'after the fact' manipulation. It's just use of lenses which creates the effect. Either way, it creates an effect which is surreal.
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It looks to me as if Nancy tried to do enough processing and manipulation of that image to keep it from being traced back. I had no luck with a regular Google image search on it. I found it by tracking the photographer and Nancy DID leave the copyright citation on the image.
 Quoting: Menow 41235377

It's just the negative image.

Converte it back (negative image again) extract the single photos and you can do a Google image search.

That's how I found the original from Ajay Talwar.

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 Quoting: Hydra


But look at all the crap in the lower part of the image here. At least the contrast has been fucked with:

[link to api.ning.com]
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It looks to me as if Nancy tried to do enough processing and manipulation of that image to keep it from being traced back. I had no luck with a regular Google image search on it. I found it by tracking the photographer and Nancy DID leave the copyright citation on the image.
 Quoting: Menow 41235377

It's just the negative image.

Converte it back (negative image again) extract the single photos and you can do a Google image search.

That's how I found the original from Ajay Talwar.

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I guess she does that negative stuff just to make things look more mysterious or something like that, since her "explanation" really makes no sense in the first place.
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It looks to me as if Nancy tried to do enough processing and manipulation of that image to keep it from being traced back. I had no luck with a regular Google image search on it. I found it by tracking the photographer and Nancy DID leave the copyright citation on the image.
 Quoting: Menow 41235377

It's just the negative image.

Converte it back (negative image again) extract the single photos and you can do a Google image search.

That's how I found the original from Ajay Talwar.
 Quoting: Hydra

I guess she does that negative stuff just to make things look more mysterious or something like that, since her "explanation" really makes no sense in the first place.
 Quoting: Menow 41235377

Exact this.


But look at all the crap in the lower part of the image here. At least the contrast has been fucked with:

[link to api.ning.com]
 Quoting: Menow 41235377

Flareberto is the master of lens flares and Pixel-Poli is the master of enhancing crappy images to more crappy images.

PP took the "thumbnail" image from Poleshit-Nancy and increased the gamma correction to a point beyond good and evil.
I have no clue why and what he want's to show with this.
But I'm sure as hell he will get the affirmation of the other poleshitters, that he made a great job.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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It looks to me as if Nancy tried to do enough processing and manipulation of that image to keep it from being traced back. I had no luck with a regular Google image search on it. I found it by tracking the photographer and Nancy DID leave the copyright citation on the image.
 Quoting: Menow 41235377

It's just the negative image.

Converte it back (negative image again) extract the single photos and you can do a Google image search.

That's how I found the original from Ajay Talwar.
 Quoting: Hydra

I guess she does that negative stuff just to make things look more mysterious or something like that, since her "explanation" really makes no sense in the first place.
 Quoting: Menow 41235377

Exact this.


But look at all the crap in the lower part of the image here. At least the contrast has been fucked with:

[link to api.ning.com]
 Quoting: Menow 41235377

Flareberto is the master of lens flares and Pixel-Poli is the master of enhancing crappy images to more crappy images.

PP took the "thumbnail" image from Poleshit-Nancy and increased the gamma correction to a point beyond good and evil.
I have no clue why and what he want's to show with this.
But I'm sure as hell he will get the affirmation of the other poleshitters, that he made a great job.


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 Quoting: Hydra


:roar:
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I have received a reply from Mr Talwar. He is at a remote location in India and could only make a brief response from his cell phone. He thanked me and said he would respond further when he reaches home. No time-frame given.
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I have received a reply from Mr Talwar. He is at a remote location in India and could only make a brief response from his cell phone. He thanked me and said he would respond further when he reaches home. No time-frame given.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382


That's good to hear. Thanks for alerting him. Poleshit needs to shut down. But it is a little entertaining at times. Especially FlareBerto's moon swirls.
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Yes, Flareberto is the running gag on the poleshit.ning.com.
If it wasn`t so sad you could really laugh about his floppy disk images. And Pixel-Polis attempts to convert these fake-pics are really funny too (polecomedy.ning.com). I bet he doesn`t have the slightest idea about what he can see on those pics. It`s just to serve his cult.

The next hardcore freak is Kojima who tries to prove the rolling of South America with some old Bing-maps. The cult people really try to abuse every online source they can find. They are absolutely pathetic.

I still remember when they tried to prove the sinking of Indonesia with some 11 years old google images at the beginning of 2011. Zwaan should stop the fraud and close the Ning, but he is a cult-zombie too.
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Heck, Nancy's empty bravado and lying about me personally is what brought me to GLP in the first place.

So, at least from my point of view, it wasn't *all* bad. Just horribly inaccurate.
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What did she say about you (lying). Can you talk about it or is that too personal?
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I was along time ago, on one of her Live Chats way back when. She claimed I was there by her/Zeta request, something along the lines of "he is posting to prop up the Zetatalk message." I challenged her on it and she banned me. Later I asked her some questions on Coast to Coast AM, too. So when she came to GLP, I started taking her to task over many astronomical claims.

I should thank her, as it was the mindset that would later start compiling all the quotes for The Big List of what IDW Knows... and that's been a lot of fun.
 Quoting: 74444


Was there a direct tie between IDW/AA and Zetas?

I thought it was just wacko supporting wacko years back.

It is funny how AA never met anyone he won't throw under the bus after the fact to further his crusade about the evil Jews.
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I have received a reply from Mr Talwar. He is at a remote location in India and could only make a brief response from his cell phone. He thanked me and said he would respond further when he reaches home. No time-frame given.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382

The worst thing (for Poleshit-Nancy) would be, if Mr Talwar wouldn't demand a take down but demand the "right of reply" and comment to Nancy LIEders bullshit.

snicker

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how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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If you have some astronomic knowledge they will always appear funny. They are indeed funny for us, but we shouldn’t forget the poor victims of this nasty cult. They really believe in this crapola. They kill their pets, they eat them, they move to save locations, they lose their jobs, they don`t pay their bills anymore and some of them even committed suicide.

So if this looks funny we shouldn`t forget the extreme damage this cult around that crazy old scumbag has done (and is doing). I was personally surprised when I read an old statement of Niels Neumann on www.zetafart.com. He really appeared to be quite normal there. Later on the cult totally broke him again. He got very ill and suffered under extreme paranoia. Some guys from a German board met him for a survival training in 2010. He wasn` t able to have a normal conversation with them. In the night he ran up the stairs, whispering strange words while he was trying to rip his own hair. It was a shock for those guys to see such a lost cultist in action. As they were to a certain degree also different, they thought that the devil owned him. In reality this devil was Nancy Liar. She tries to use extreme brainwashing and sometimes she is successful. In the meantime most of the cultists woke up but the last few ones are really possessed by Nancy`s crapola.

Well, back in 2012 Niels awoke again and said goodbye to the cult. They all hated him because he also wrote a short expose about Nancy Liar and her weird cult. He seemed to be clear in his head again. I hope he found his way out of this nasty cult and has a fair chance to regenerate. But I doubt it.

The poor Niels spent more than 13 years in this cult. He even translated texts of Nancy Liar into German and made a board for her. He didn`t get one thank you (not one word), he wasn`t mentioned on the poleshit.ning.com, he was just ignored: though he was a really hurt man. If you break with the cult all the other cultists will hate you because the daily paranoia and fear is their life.
We shouldn`t forget such stories because there is nothing funny in them. Our duty is to help the poor cultists to find their way out of this cult and warn newbies who might fall for the cult.
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Flareberto is the master of lens flares and Pixel-Poli is the master of enhancing crappy images to more crappy images.
 Quoting: Hydra


lmao

Yes, Flareberto is the running gag on the poleshit.ning.com.
If it wasn`t so sad you could really laugh about his floppy disk images. And Pixel-Polis attempts to convert these fake-pics are really funny too (polecomedy.ning.com). I bet he doesn`t have the slightest idea about what he can see on those pics. It`s just to serve his cult.

The next hardcore freak is Kojima who tries to prove the rolling of South America with some old Bing-maps. The cult people really try to abuse every online source they can find. They are absolutely pathetic.

I still remember when they tried to prove the sinking of Indonesia with some 11 years old google images at the beginning of 2011. Zwaan should stop the fraud and close the Ning, but he is a cult-zombie too.
 Quoting: Truther:


Maybe they haven't heared of plate tectonics in Japan?
You would assume with all the action they should be familiar with subduction & co.

There's nothing unusual happening there. The plates still have rates of mm/year.
The ground is not static as some seem to believe...
Earth plays the music, regardless where humans want to have their houses for the moment.

Whenever I see Kojima's posts, I think, Yeah dude.. thats platetectonics - its absolutely normal. - But they don't get that.

If something abnormal is going on there you would assume they would check subduction-rates, the local geological situation or even simply check webcams to see wether the beaches are disappearing..
but of course its more easy to simply pick up manifesting plate tectonics and bring them in some magical relation to an invisible planet with invisible influence due to invisible metal boxes..1dunno1

Well, back in 2012 Niels awoke again and said goodbye to the cult. They all hated him because he also wrote a short expose about Nancy Liar and her weird cult. He seemed to be clear in his head again. I hope he found his way out of this nasty cult and has a fair chance to regenerate. But I doubt it.

The poor Niels spent more than 13 years in this cult. He even translated texts of Nancy Liar into German and made a board for her. He didn`t get one thank you (not one word), he wasn`t mentioned on the poleshit.ning.com, he was just ignored: though he was a really hurt man. If you break with the cult all the other cultists will hate you because the daily paranoia and fear is their life.
We shouldn`t forget such stories because there is nothing funny in them. Our duty is to help the poor cultists to find their way out of this cult and warn newbies who might fall for the cult.
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Word on that one.
I still hope I can chat with Niels on occasion to share some experiences, but I can fully understand if he will need a long time distance from the topic at all because everyone has their way to deal with such problems.

I really hope he manages to make a normal living again because the less lifes have been destroyed by LIEder the better.

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I think I see that now. I didn't understand what I was looking at. There is no 'after the fact' manipulation. It's just use of lenses which creates the effect. Either way, it creates an effect which is surreal.
 Quoting: Menow 41235377

Hi Menow

the photo in question isn't even affected by optical distortion.
It's just the view you have close to the equator.

If you stand at the equator and look north, you see the star trails as half circles getting bigger the farther from the celestial north pole.
If you look south, you also see the star trails as half circles getting bigger the farther from the celestial south pole.
If you now look east or west, the stars at the ecliptic make a straight line, but the stars north and south of the eclitic still make circles to the right and left - it's not the optic.

May be this website makes it more understandable:
[link to sguisard.astrosurf.com]

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how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Heck, Nancy's empty bravado and lying about me personally is what brought me to GLP in the first place.

So, at least from my point of view, it wasn't *all* bad. Just horribly inaccurate.
 Quoting: 74444


What did she say about you (lying). Can you talk about it or is that too personal?
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I was along time ago, on one of her Live Chats way back when. She claimed I was there by her/Zeta request, something along the lines of "he is posting to prop up the Zetatalk message." I challenged her on it and she banned me. Later I asked her some questions on Coast to Coast AM, too. So when she came to GLP, I started taking her to task over many astronomical claims.

I should thank her, as it was the mindset that would later start compiling all the quotes for The Big List of what IDW Knows... and that's been a lot of fun.
 Quoting: 74444


Was there a direct tie between IDW/AA and Zetas?
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Nah. Just GLP they had in common.

I thought it was just wacko supporting wacko years back.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41263444


I think IDW/A.A really *hates* ZT, and Nancy doesn't even know IDW/A.A exists. Which probably burns him up more.

It is funny how AA never met anyone he won't throw under the bus after the fact to further his crusade about the evil Jews.
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Heck, given his apparent poor recollection -- *current* IDW/A.A happily throws *slightly-historic* IDW/A.A under the bus on occasion.
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What did she say about you (lying). Can you talk about it or is that too personal?
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I was along time ago, on one of her Live Chats way back when. She claimed I was there by her/Zeta request, something along the lines of "he is posting to prop up the Zetatalk message." I challenged her on it and she banned me. Later I asked her some questions on Coast to Coast AM, too. So when she came to GLP, I started taking her to task over many astronomical claims.

I should thank her, as it was the mindset that would later start compiling all the quotes for The Big List of what IDW Knows... and that's been a lot of fun.
 Quoting: 74444


Was there a direct tie between IDW/AA and Zetas?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41263444


Nah. Just GLP they had in common.

I thought it was just wacko supporting wacko years back.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41263444


I think IDW/A.A really *hates* ZT, and Nancy doesn't even know IDW/A.A exists. Which probably burns him up more.

It is funny how AA never met anyone he won't throw under the bus after the fact to further his crusade about the evil Jews.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41263444


Heck, given his apparent poor recollection -- *current* IDW/A.A happily throws *slightly-historic* IDW/A.A under the bus on occasion.
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lmao

Now that you mention it he does doesn't he?
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Well, IDW seems to be a second Zetamax. Whenever such guys start to speak you will only listen to bullshit.

And if they come from Nancy`s weird cult you will only listen to permanent bullshit.

@MATV: If you invite Zwaan again I will be happy to be there too.

I would love that dialogue. Zwaanster the cult-freak in da house... lol

I`m just trying to imagine this scenario but my fantasy isn`t big enough for that.

BTW: I was caught in some autobans for a while. I don`t know why,-but I couldn`t post here anymore. I always got the message that I was banned and that I should stop stalking.

I never stalk.... lol ....

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I have received a reply from Mr Talwar. He is at a remote location in India and could only make a brief response from his cell phone. He thanked me and said he would respond further when he reaches home. No time-frame given.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382


That's good to hear. Thanks for alerting him. Poleshit needs to shut down. But it is a little entertaining at times. Especially FlareBerto's moon swirls.
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Well, don't let it be said that my goal is to censor their free speech. On the other hand, when they take copyrighted images and misrepresent them, that is another matter. Of course, Nancy has been doing that for a long time. I remember back in 2001 when she grabbed John Oliver's images of her coordinates without permission and used them to promote her agenda. Eventually she did credit him, after he demanded such.
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I have received a reply from Mr Talwar. He is at a remote location in India and could only make a brief response from his cell phone. He thanked me and said he would respond further when he reaches home. No time-frame given.
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The worst thing (for Poleshit-Nancy) would be, if Mr Talwar wouldn't demand a take down but demand the "right of reply" and comment to Nancy LIEders bullshit.

:snicker:

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Heh. Yeah... that would certainly put a kink in Nancy's plans.
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I think I see that now. I didn't understand what I was looking at. There is no 'after the fact' manipulation. It's just use of lenses which creates the effect. Either way, it creates an effect which is surreal.
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Hi Menow

the photo in question isn't even affected by optical distortion.
It's just the view you have close to the equator.

If you stand at the equator and look north, you see the star trails as half circles getting bigger the farther from the celestial north pole.
If you look south, you also see the star trails as half circles getting bigger the farther from the celestial south pole.
If you now look east or west, the stars at the ecliptic make a straight line, but the stars north and south of the eclitic still make circles to the right and left - it's not the optic.

May be this website makes it more understandable:
[link to sguisard.astrosurf.com]

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Oh... I get it now. It's that the view includes both sides of the halfway point in the sky, so that the circles begin to oppose each other as the view crosses the central area. Excellent! I have learned yet another bit of interesting stuff via debunking Nancy!
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Well, IDW seems to be a second Zetamax. Whenever such guys start to speak you will only listen to bullshit.

And if they come from Nancy`s weird cult you will only listen to permanent bullshit.

@MATV: If you invite Zwaan again I will be happy to be there too.

I would love that dialogue. Zwaanster the cult-freak in da house... lol

I`m just trying to imagine this scenario but my fantasy isn`t big enough for that.

BTW: I was caught in some autobans for a while. I don`t know why,-but I couldn`t post here anymore. I always got the message that I was banned and that I should stop stalking.

I never stalk.... lol ....
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There are no "seconds"
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I have received a reply from Mr Talwar. He is at a remote location in India and could only make a brief response from his cell phone. He thanked me and said he would respond further when he reaches home. No time-frame given.
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That's good to hear. Thanks for alerting him. Poleshit needs to shut down. But it is a little entertaining at times. Especially FlareBerto's moon swirls.
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Well, don't let it be said that my goal is to censor their free speech. On the other hand, when they take copyrighted images and misrepresent them, that is another matter. Of course, Nancy has been doing that for a long time. I remember back in 2001 when she grabbed John Oliver's images of her coordinates without permission and used them to promote her agenda. Eventually she did credit him, after he demanded such.
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The ningtards and Nancy push the limits of fair use and even go past it. It's funny considering Ann's rant about copyright violations of the debunkers.

Kojima is blowing copyright by using the google map images (they are copyrighted).
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I have received a nice response from David Malin. He said pretty much the same as did Hydra in explaining what is seen in that image.

No further word from Mr Talwar yet.
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Kojima is definitely one hard-core true believer. He's also not too smart.

I've done some comparisons between the google map and satellite images he presents as proof...unfortunately, the maps aren't all that accurate for the areas he is pointing out. Therefore, his comparisons are invalid and his claims bogus.
“Fear always springs from ignorance” - Ralph Waldo Emerson


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