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Cult obsessed shills make me sick
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Talking about yourself?

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Come on.....

Obviously you are a shill
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Alas, you are incorrect. I am not compensated in any way to do this, apart from enjoying pointing these fallacies out, and learning about how things really do work in the process.

It's your thing, it's what you do

Live it, Love it, Be it

Shill life
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


Again, given that your entire post is nothing but a logical fallacy, I will attempt to ask you a rational question *anyway.*

What evidence could possibly convince you I was *not* a shill, and was a fairly normal guy merely posting logical arguments? Any you can even imagine?
 Quoting: 74444


Are you affiliated with zetasquawk and zetafart etc, pages that link to this thread...

That seems sort of more than just normal guy posting material and border on wither psycho obsessed or Shill..
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Cult obsessed shills make me sick
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Talking about yourself?

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No Hydra....

I was thinking about you!! :)
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Cult obsessed shills make me sick
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Talking about yourself?

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 Quoting: Hydra


No Hydra....

I was thinking about you!! :)
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That would imply, that I regard the poleshit.ning as a cult.
Would you please be so kind, to show me where I characterised the poleshit.ning as a cult.

And your evidence, that I am a shill is?
Oh wait, I am. - Definition of shill: someone who don't agree with you.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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They see me trollin' - they hatin'
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Frustration because you made some stupid decisions?
Just guessing.


Also there's more from the Ning-delusions:

Ann, basically appears to confirm what I suspected: Nancy told their Mods another lie about me to keep them anxious and non-doubting.


Source: poleshift (dot) ning (dot) com/profiles/blogs/bingo-a-paid-internet-shill-s-comfession

Comment by ann s. 2 hour ago
Not going to matter too much longer because the official Planet X announcement is inevitable. But the fact that around 4-5 former PS ning moderators have had their online identities stolen tells me the Zetas are right and the ning is making a huge difference. Otherwise, what would be the point of paying people to post as former ning moderators?

The idea is to make it seem like these people "debunk" when in fact most of them are doing no such thing. Desperation on the part of the cover-up crowd at GLP is obvious.

Timeline of "disgruntled" former moderator:

June 15, 2012: Loudly leaves the PS ning (poleshift (dot) ning (dot) com/profiles/blogs/disgruntled-former-moderator)

June 15, 2012: Posts ZetaTalk "exposed" Google document

June 17, 2012 (approximate): Starts posting on Godlikeproductions as "More about Tunnel-Vision"

October 30, 2012: Last time "expose" updated (has not been updated in more than 7 months)

End of October 2012: "More about Tunnel-Vision" stops posting on GLP

November 6, 2012: Paid GLP account opened in the name "MoreAboutTunnelVision"

Please note how quickly someone found it necessary to continue posting as "disgruntled" so it appears he is still a debunker when, in fact, he has stopped debunking completely.

Why would shills frequently push the ZetaTalk "expose" when nothing new has been added since the end of October 2012? Why has the ZetaTalk "expose" not been updated in more than 7 months? Hasn't plenty happened that needed to be "debunked" since October 2012?

The lack of updates does not make sense, unless shills want "disgruntled" to appear to debunk, but they cannot or will not access the Google document. It is possible that the difficulty of writing in the style of the real "disgruntled" -- whose first langage is not English -- was determined to be too risky, so no updates posted.

Noticed the person or people who post as "MoreAboutTunnelVision" since November 2012 have a much better grasp of Standard Written English than "disgruntled." When a person is fluent in a language, maybe it is much harder to write as someone who does not know the language well?

Whoever is posting as "MoreAboutTunnelVision" recently promised to update the "expose": Still has not happened. Supposedly this was going to be proof the real "disgruntled" did not depart the debunking scene.

"More about Tunnel-Vision" did not have a paid account at GLP:

More about Tunnel-Vision
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07/17/2012 07:53 PM Thread: ZETA TALK mutiny - ZT collapses! Email blast from former moderator! (Page 12)

Paid GLP account opened using a screen name close to the one "disgruntled" used:
Member ID 117485
Handle MoreAboutTunnelVision
Joined On 11/6/2012 7:42 PM

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 Quoting: Ann S:


Thanks for the compliments Ann!! hf... Yes Im steadily trying to raise my english-skills, though I still don't have a premium account over here. (See - I'd have a star next to my name, but I just purchased a 1 month custom avatar for 25 Karma points) :)

EDIT regarding Member IDs:
I think you may be mixing up some issues. I first responded on GLP with an anonymous-account (shortly after I published the doc - as should be recorded in this thread), then I later registered a FREE-ACCOUNT. The one im posting till now. What changed? What makes you so suspicious? 1dunno1


And BTW: Why haven't you answered on my Skype-invite to all Mods that I send you per E-Mail??

Right now Im playing with the thought just to simply, spontaneously call someone of you guys. How bout that?

You'll get your confirmation, your posting (YES on my google doc- Ill even make it first page when I got time for it)

Patience gal. Patience.
I study u know? (I would have shown you guys my notes if you would have responded to my offer)...

Why u scared?

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 06/12/2013 07:43 PM
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Cult obsessed shills make me sick
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Talking about yourself?

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 Quoting: Hydra


No Hydra....

I was thinking about you!! :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

That would imply, that I regard the poleshit.ning as a cult.
Would you please be so kind, to show me where I characterised the poleshit.ning as a cult.

And your evidence, that I am a shill is?
Oh wait, I am. - Definition of shill: someone who don't agree with you.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Well if not to discourage Cult behavior, why the seeming obsession with Nancy Lieder and zetatalk?? Please elucidate for me Hydra!! You do pay to post here and it seems to be just about all that u post about... Obsessed much, just look at you signiture, dedicated to none other than..... You guessed it... Poleshift ning :D

Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
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Planet X Nibiru Visible During Australian Solar Eclipse ?

Planet X in Idaho - Poleshit-Nancy fails again
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Nibiru / Planet X left Solar System - Poleshit Members in Despair

The moons of Planet X are swirling - and Poleshit-Nancy lies again --- UPDATE AT PAGE 4
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New photos from Planet X / PX-Moons - Flareberto strikes again.

Planet X with five moons - the next fail of Nancy LIEder and the Zetas

No Nibiru, No Planet X, No Second Sun, No Poleshift - The Zeta / Nancy Lieder Fail Collection
Page

Another fail of the Zetas: "The Moon did not cover Jupiter last Sunday."

Here are some of your thread titles Hydra....

Certainly more interested in the ning than I ever have been.....

Its all good though matey, what ever floats your boat ya know
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Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


I know you didn't asked me, but I would like to have you look at a simple example:

Person A, states B.

Person C, states B.

Mathematically you could say f(A) = B , f(C)= B , so you could say f(A) = f(C).


See, lets say Statement B is: Earths (mid) gravitational pull is 9,81m/s^2 ...

Now what would it change when Person A or Person C make that statement?

Answer: Nothing!

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Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


Answer: Nothing!
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


There basically all you said
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P.S

MaTV - love the avatar lol
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Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


Answer: Nothing!
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


There basically all you said
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cheers
Hopefully we'll never have those "paid debunker" no-guments anymore... but reality usally is different on GLP.

For one good thing being said, a thousand heaps of crapola are being piled up.


P.S

MaTV - love the avatar lol
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Thank you sir. A little less than a month left to feel the wind pilot cool2

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Haha, I enjoy the evasion of the question though, whether it is believed by participators of this thread that paid shills exist in message boards and if so how would you distinguish one!?

But, such is life... I am off now. Have a good day fellas!
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Haha, I enjoy the evasion of the question though, whether it is believed by participators of this thread that paid shills exist in message boards and if so how would you distinguish one!?

But, such is life... I am off now. Have a good day fellas!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

Quick response: Of course I believe there are some paid "shills" out there. But wether they are on GLP or not, or wether it does a difference ( f(A)=f(C) ) is another question.

EDIT: For distinction of "paid shills" I would say evasion of questions, ad hominems, twisting facts, cherrypicking, spam or other possible manipulative/evasive behaviours may be an indicator of weak argumentation or intended manipulation.
But again it does not make a difference if both participants have the same means of getting their word (arguments) out to an independent audience.
Have a good one !

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Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
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I know I do, all the time, especially in the early morning hours. They're pretty easy to spot; broken english, sometimes even random letters in place of the user name. They're always advertising for some shady website, frequently one that claims to be able to enlarge my penis. Having no need of such enhancements, I tend to ignore the shill's messages and report the post as spam for free karma points.

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Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


I know I do, all the time, especially in the early morning hours. They're pretty easy to spot; broken english, sometimes even random letters in place of the user name. They're always advertising for some shady website, frequently one that claims to be able to enlarge my penis. Having no need of such enhancements, I tend to ignore the shill's messages and report the post as spam for free karma points.
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Don't sell you self short there Phil.....

"Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).
Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims." [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Do any of you think that the description above shills has any basis in reality?
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Come on.....

Obviously you are a shill
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Alas, you are incorrect. I am not compensated in any way to do this, apart from enjoying pointing these fallacies out, and learning about how things really do work in the process.

It's your thing, it's what you do

Live it, Love it, Be it

Shill life
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


Again, given that your entire post is nothing but a logical fallacy, I will attempt to ask you a rational question *anyway.*

What evidence could possibly convince you I was *not* a shill, and was a fairly normal guy merely posting logical arguments? Any you can even imagine?
 Quoting: 74444


Are you affiliated with zetasquawk and zetafart etc, pages that link to this thread...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


I am not -- nor am I affiliated with any other websites regarding subjects such as these.

That seems sort of more than just normal guy posting material and border on wither psycho obsessed or Shill..
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How it seems is irrelevant to my question. What evidence could possibly convince you I was *not* a shill, and was a fairly normal guy merely posting logical arguments? Any you can even imagine?
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Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


I know I do, all the time, especially in the early morning hours. They're pretty easy to spot; broken english, sometimes even random letters in place of the user name. They're always advertising for some shady website, frequently one that claims to be able to enlarge my penis. Having no need of such enhancements, I tend to ignore the shill's messages and report the post as spam for free karma points.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Don't sell you self short there Phil.....

"Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).
Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims." [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Do any of you think that the description above shills has any basis in reality?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


I think it likely that such operations do exist. That said, I believe they are much more "corporate" in their leanings. People paid to edit and re-edit the wiki about Scientology come to mind, or big corporations hiring people to monitor and alter their wikis to the most positive message possible.

I do *not* think, however, that debunkers here fit into that category, as I cannot believe anyone with such resources would waste a penny debunking Nancy Lieder/Zetatalk. It's time is past, so now it is merely watching a hyper-slow trainwreck, and occasionally advising people to stay off the tracks.
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Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


I know I do, all the time, especially in the early morning hours. They're pretty easy to spot; broken english, sometimes even random letters in place of the user name. They're always advertising for some shady website, frequently one that claims to be able to enlarge my penis. Having no need of such enhancements, I tend to ignore the shill's messages and report the post as spam for free karma points.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Don't sell you self short there Phil.....

"Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).
Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims." [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Do any of you think that the description above shills has any basis in reality?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


I think it likely that such operations do exist. That said, I believe they are much more "corporate" in their leanings. People paid to edit and re-edit the wiki about Scientology come to mind, or big corporations hiring people to monitor and alter their wikis to the most positive message possible.

I do *not* think, however, that debunkers here fit into that category, as I cannot believe anyone with such resources would waste a penny debunking Nancy Lieder/Zetatalk. It's time is past, so now it is merely watching a hyper-slow trainwreck, and occasionally advising people to stay off the tracks.
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I'm glad you acknowledge the existence of such individuals or groups..

You must surely know also of many of the theories behind this website as well then??

This is a conspiracy website after all, where better to install shills than in a place like this, to find out who is interested in such topics and influence the way in which those topics are viewed..

That would seem like a coherent sort of reasoning to me if I were to want to redirect some attention, or influence some opinions..
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Talking about yourself?
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No Hydra....

I was thinking about you!! :)
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That would imply, that I regard the poleshit.ning as a cult.
Would you please be so kind, to show me where I characterised the poleshit.ning as a cult.

And your evidence, that I am a shill is?
Oh wait, I am. - Definition of shill: someone who don't agree with you.
 Quoting: Hydra

Well if not to discourage Cult behavior, why the seeming obsession with Nancy Lieder and zetatalk?? Please elucidate for me Hydra!!
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

How do you define "obsession?
Oh, I see:
... Here are some of your thread titles Hydra....
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Eight or so threads in two years = obsession?
A little deeper look would reveal, that from my 2,800 posts may be 10 percent are dedicated to Poleshit-Nancy.
Apparently your "research for obsession" was somewhat biased - but what else to expect from a ning-tard.


Obsessed much, just look at you signiture, dedicated to none other than..... You guessed it... Poleshift ning :D
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

Dedicated to "The sun is off tards", "The moon is off tards" and "The earth is off tards".
And there are lots of it, like Marshal Masters, Denise Chavaz Dimwit, ... - Poleshit-Nancy is just one of them.


You do pay to post here ...
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I also pay for a cinema or theater ticket, for concerts and a lot of other entertaining things.


Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

Yes - and per your wikipedia definition, you are one of them.
"Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).
Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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It's up to you, to prove, that the people you call shills here

* provide false statements to convince someone of untruth
* discredit conflicting information or support false conclusions
* mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies
* reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole
* conceal or censor facts
* fill channels of information with disinformation
* discredit the opposition by false claims


Your turn, ning-tard.


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how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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The truth hurts..

You make your dolla dolla bills in a way similar to a prostitute (except shilling is dirtier)

Go sell your self to your shill handlers while people work real jobs
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And yet neither you or the other poster have presented ANY evidence that any "debunker" is paid to be here. None of you have been able to present a link showing that such a job even exists.

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No Hydra....

I was thinking about you!! :)
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That would imply, that I regard the poleshit.ning as a cult.
Would you please be so kind, to show me where I characterised the poleshit.ning as a cult.

And your evidence, that I am a shill is?
Oh wait, I am. - Definition of shill: someone who don't agree with you.
 Quoting: Hydra

Well if not to discourage Cult behavior, why the seeming obsession with Nancy Lieder and zetatalk?? Please elucidate for me Hydra!!
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

How do you define "obsession?
Oh, I see:
... Here are some of your thread titles Hydra....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

Eight or so threads in two years = obsession?
A little deeper look would reveal, that from my 2,800 posts may be 10 percent are dedicated to Poleshit-Nancy.
Apparently your "research for obsession" was somewhat biased - but what else to expect from a ning-tard.


Obsessed much, just look at you signiture, dedicated to none other than..... You guessed it... Poleshift ning :D
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

Dedicated to "The sun is off tards", "The moon is off tards" and "The earth is off tards".
And there are lots of it, like Marshal Masters, Denise Chavaz Dimwit, ... - Poleshit-Nancy is just one of them.


You do pay to post here ...
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

I also pay for a cinema or theater ticket, for concerts and a lot of other entertaining things.


Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

Yes - and per your wikipedia definition, you are one of them.
"Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).
Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

It's up to you, to prove, that the people you call shills here

* provide false statements to convince someone of untruth
* discredit conflicting information or support false conclusions
* mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies
* reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole
* conceal or censor facts
* fill channels of information with disinformation
* discredit the opposition by false claims


Your turn, ning-tard.


.
 Quoting: Hydra


My my why so hostile Hydra???

Did I touch a nerve???

Lol, you went to a lot of effort, did your job depend on it??

Nice one...


shillshill

I love how defensive you get.. Dont take it so personal. I know u have to make a living some how and you obviously like to be unpleasant so you made a job out of your unpleasantness.. Woah Im impressed...

Here have some Zetatalk to celebrate... whoopieee!!!


Orbits are not sacred, can be stopped, can be reversed, can be altered such that a planet veers closer to its Sun or outward in a more elliptical manner, can dip down or raise such that the orbit takes a different path, and then return or not return, depending. Thus, the current Earth orbit should not be considered written in stone, immutable, and any change is possible.
Life on a planet does not end if an orbit changes, and often scarcely notices. The days may be cooler or warmer, the stars in a different place, and the seasons and sunset and sunrise times radically different, but overall, unless an orbit change puts a planet into the Sun such that life fries, or into cold space such that it freezes, it is not a death sentence.
In the battle about to ensue between Earth and Planet X, the larger will get a grip on the lesser and not let go until havoc has been unleashed on Earth. Why would Earth’s orbit, in this drama, be exempt from such a grip? What would stop the orbit of Earth from reversing, stopping, or drawing closer to Planet X? There is no force other than the benign forces that gently called Earth’s orbit into being in the first place to intervene.
The forces in this grip are some of the most powerful in the interplay between planetary bodies - magnetic and gravitational. Where the Repulsion Force prevents Earth and Planet X from colliding, both draw upon the other with a gravity force, and Planet X envelopes the Earth in its magnetic field. Both these forces are strong enough to stop both planets in their orbits, temporarily, but in that Earth is the lesser it alone is affected, so no alteration in the orbit of Planet X occurs.
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ZetaTalk: Sacred Orbits
written August 20, 2003
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I dont even care about zetatalk. But obviously you lot do so enjoy
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ZetaTalk: Pending Announcement
written August 27, 2012

The establishment, primarily the CIA arm, has used Hollywood to spin the message on aliens and the pending passage of Planet X to their liking. Except for Spielberg’s hallmark movies ET and Close Encounters, which told the truth, the spin has been a lie. The CIA, via the movies and TV series, assert that aliens are here to squirt acid, colonize, and eat mankind. The truth about the pending passage of Planet X and what the Earth’s geography reports is likewise skewed. The Earth changes that man is facing – disturbed magnetosphere, slowing rotation, fireballs from the sky, high tides, shifting plates, and rising sea level – are all given a cause other than a passing planet.

If one wants proof that the CIA has dictated the Hollywood agenda, look no further than this for proof. Why else would a passing planet be verboten? The Event was approved because it presented the alien presence as something to be feared, the aliens seductive but planning to wipe out mankind. But the CIA made it clear to the producers that the story line must stop before it came too close to depicting the actual passage of Planet X. Thus, just as the cover-up crowd is planning to announce that indeed there is a rogue planet in the vicinity responsible for the rise in earthquakes, volcanism, and erratic weather, there has been no voice explaining how the Pole Shift and Last Weeks will unfold – except ZetaTalk.

In that ZetaTalk has been suppressed mightily by the cover-up crowd, media sources told not to feature Nancy and Coast to Coast told to limit her appearances to only once every few years, they are hoping to steer the attention after the announcement to their hand-picked puppets, those who have cooperated with the cover-up. After years of stating that Planet X did not exist, or was perhaps way out in space somewhere (anywhere but near the Sun where it was showing up regularly in photos and even on the SOHO and Stereo images), these spokes persons will be put forth to explain what the announcement means for the anxious public. How will this play out?
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ZetaTalk: Pending Announcement
written August 27, 2012

The establishment, primarily the CIA arm, has used Hollywood to spin the message on aliens and the pending passage of Planet X to their liking. Except for Spielberg’s hallmark movies ET and Close Encounters, which told the truth, the spin has been a lie. The CIA, via the movies and TV series, assert that aliens are here to squirt acid, colonize, and eat mankind. The truth about the pending passage of Planet X and what the Earth’s geography reports is likewise skewed. The Earth changes that man is facing – disturbed magnetosphere, slowing rotation, fireballs from the sky, high tides, shifting plates, and rising sea level – are all given a cause other than a passing planet.

If one wants proof that the CIA has dictated the Hollywood agenda, look no further than this for proof. Why else would a passing planet be verboten? The Event was approved because it presented the alien presence as something to be feared, the aliens seductive but planning to wipe out mankind. But the CIA made it clear to the producers that the story line must stop before it came too close to depicting the actual passage of Planet X. Thus, just as the cover-up crowd is planning to announce that indeed there is a rogue planet in the vicinity responsible for the rise in earthquakes, volcanism, and erratic weather, there has been no voice explaining how the Pole Shift and Last Weeks will unfold – except ZetaTalk.

In that ZetaTalk has been suppressed mightily by the cover-up crowd, media sources told not to feature Nancy and Coast to Coast told to limit her appearances to only once every few years, they are hoping to steer the attention after the announcement to their hand-picked puppets, those who have cooperated with the cover-up. After years of stating that Planet X did not exist, or was perhaps way out in space somewhere (anywhere but near the Sun where it was showing up regularly in photos and even on the SOHO and Stereo images), these spokes persons will be put forth to explain what the announcement means for the anxious public. How will this play out?
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>> they are hoping to steer the attention after the announcement to their hand-picked puppets

Like Circuit Breaker who is clearly coordinating the ZetaTalk "response".
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Thanks for providing some early morning humor for me.

Anyway, all is well with us. Wind is out of the SW with gusts to 12 mph so the smoke isn't a problem this morning since the fire is north of us. Another amateur radio operator I know through one of the groups I'm a member of had to evacuate and believes he has lost everything, although currently his home does not show up on the list of damaged or destroyed properties. My wife knows someone at work who has lost their home supposedly. One forecast I saw calls for thunderstorms tomorrow and the rain would help but I don't think anything will happen considering the weather pattern we've been stuck in the last three years.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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Like Circuit Breaker who is clearly coordinating the ZetaTalk "response".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41630317


How much is Nancy paying you to be here? Also, does she provide any kind of benefits package such as paid time off during the "pole shift?" Perhaps some kind of employee discount on bunkers?
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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...

That would imply, that I regard the poleshit.ning as a cult.
Would you please be so kind, to show me where I characterised the poleshit.ning as a cult.

And your evidence, that I am a shill is?
Oh wait, I am. - Definition of shill: someone who don't agree with you.
 Quoting: Hydra

Well if not to discourage Cult behavior, why the seeming obsession with Nancy Lieder and zetatalk?? Please elucidate for me Hydra!!
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

How do you define "obsession?
Oh, I see:
... Here are some of your thread titles Hydra....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

Eight or so threads in two years = obsession?
A little deeper look would reveal, that from my 2,800 posts may be 10 percent are dedicated to Poleshit-Nancy.
Apparently your "research for obsession" was somewhat biased - but what else to expect from a ning-tard.


Obsessed much, just look at you signiture, dedicated to none other than..... You guessed it... Poleshift ning :D
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

Dedicated to "The sun is off tards", "The moon is off tards" and "The earth is off tards".
And there are lots of it, like Marshal Masters, Denise Chavaz Dimwit, ... - Poleshit-Nancy is just one of them.


You do pay to post here ...
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

I also pay for a cinema or theater ticket, for concerts and a lot of other entertaining things.


Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

Yes - and per your wikipedia definition, you are one of them.
"Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).
Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

It's up to you, to prove, that the people you call shills here

* provide false statements to convince someone of untruth
* discredit conflicting information or support false conclusions
* mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies
* reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole
* conceal or censor facts
* fill channels of information with disinformation
* discredit the opposition by false claims


Your turn, ning-tard.


.
 Quoting: Hydra

My my why so hostile Hydra???

Did I touch a nerve???

Lol, you went to a lot of effort, did your job depend on it??

Nice one...

I love how defensive you get.. Dont take it so personal. I know u have to make a living some how and you obviously like to be unpleasant so you made a job out of your unpleasantness.. Woah Im impressed...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

No arguments, no evidence, nothing more to say?

I see, nothing left but ad hominem.

Poor.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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My my why so hostile Hydra???

Did I touch a nerve???

Lol, you went to a lot of effort, did your job depend on it??

Nice one...

I love how defensive you get.. Dont take it so personal. I know u have to make a living some how and you obviously like to be unpleasant so you made a job out of your unpleasantness.. Woah Im impressed...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


Shills

* provide false statements to convince someone of untruth
* discredit conflicting information or support false conclusions
* mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies
* reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole
* conceal or censor facts
* fill channels of information with disinformation
* discredit the opposition by false claims
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
Hydra

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Here have some Zetatalk to celebrate... whoopieee!!!


Orbits are not sacred, can be stopped, can be reversed, can be altered such that a planet veers closer to its Sun or outward in a more elliptical manner, can dip down or raise such that the orbit takes a different path, and then return or not return, depending. Thus, the current Earth orbit should not be considered written in stone, immutable, and any change is possible.
Life on a planet does not end if an orbit changes, and often scarcely notices. The days may be cooler or warmer, the stars in a different place, and the seasons and sunset and sunrise times radically different, but overall, unless an orbit change puts a planet into the Sun such that life fries, or into cold space such that it freezes, it is not a death sentence.
In the battle about to ensue between Earth and Planet X, the larger will get a grip on the lesser and not let go until havoc has been unleashed on Earth. Why would Earth’s orbit, in this drama, be exempt from such a grip? What would stop the orbit of Earth from reversing, stopping, or drawing closer to Planet X? There is no force other than the benign forces that gently called Earth’s orbit into being in the first place to intervene.
The forces in this grip are some of the most powerful in the interplay between planetary bodies - magnetic and gravitational. Where the Repulsion Force prevents Earth and Planet X from colliding, both draw upon the other with a gravity force, and Planet X envelopes the Earth in its magnetic field. Both these forces are strong enough to stop both planets in their orbits, temporarily, but in that Earth is the lesser it alone is affected, so no alteration in the orbit of Planet X occurs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

Shills

* provide false statements to convince someone of untruth
* discredit conflicting information or support false conclusions
* mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies
* reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole
* conceal or censor facts
* fill channels of information with disinformation
* discredit the opposition by false claims

.
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India

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