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Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!

 
Hydra

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Talking about yourself?
 Quoting: Hydra

No Hydra....

I was thinking about you!! :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

That would imply, that I regard the poleshit.ning as a cult.
Would you please be so kind, to show me where I characterised the poleshit.ning as a cult.

And your evidence, that I am a shill is?
Oh wait, I am. - Definition of shill: someone who don't agree with you.
 Quoting: Hydra

Well if not to discourage Cult behavior, why the seeming obsession with Nancy Lieder and zetatalk?? Please elucidate for me Hydra!!
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

How do you define "obsession?
Oh, I see:
... Here are some of your thread titles Hydra....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

Eight or so threads in two years = obsession?
A little deeper look would reveal, that from my 2,800 posts may be 10 percent are dedicated to Poleshit-Nancy.
Apparently your "research for obsession" was somewhat biased - but what else to expect from a ning-tard.


Obsessed much, just look at you signiture, dedicated to none other than..... You guessed it... Poleshift ning :D
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

Dedicated to "The sun is off tards", "The moon is off tards" and "The earth is off tards".
And there are lots of it, like Marshal Masters, Denise Chavaz Dimwit, ... - Poleshit-Nancy is just one of them.


You do pay to post here ...
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

I also pay for a cinema or theater ticket, for concerts and a lot of other entertaining things.


Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

Yes - and per your wikipedia definition, you are one of them.
"Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).
Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

It's up to you, to prove, that the people you call shills here

* provide false statements to convince someone of untruth
* discredit conflicting information or support false conclusions
* mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies
* reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole
* conceal or censor facts
* fill channels of information with disinformation
* discredit the opposition by false claims


Your turn, ning-tard.


.
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
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Circuit Breaker

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The truth hurts..

You make your dolla dolla bills in a way similar to a prostitute (except shilling is dirtier)

Go sell your self to your shill handlers while people work real jobs
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


And yet neither you or the other poster have presented ANY evidence that any "debunker" is paid to be here. None of you have been able to present a link showing that such a job even exists.

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No Hydra....

I was thinking about you!! :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

That would imply, that I regard the poleshit.ning as a cult.
Would you please be so kind, to show me where I characterised the poleshit.ning as a cult.

And your evidence, that I am a shill is?
Oh wait, I am. - Definition of shill: someone who don't agree with you.
 Quoting: Hydra

Well if not to discourage Cult behavior, why the seeming obsession with Nancy Lieder and zetatalk?? Please elucidate for me Hydra!!
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

How do you define "obsession?
Oh, I see:
... Here are some of your thread titles Hydra....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

Eight or so threads in two years = obsession?
A little deeper look would reveal, that from my 2,800 posts may be 10 percent are dedicated to Poleshit-Nancy.
Apparently your "research for obsession" was somewhat biased - but what else to expect from a ning-tard.


Obsessed much, just look at you signiture, dedicated to none other than..... You guessed it... Poleshift ning :D
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

Dedicated to "The sun is off tards", "The moon is off tards" and "The earth is off tards".
And there are lots of it, like Marshal Masters, Denise Chavaz Dimwit, ... - Poleshit-Nancy is just one of them.


You do pay to post here ...
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

I also pay for a cinema or theater ticket, for concerts and a lot of other entertaining things.


Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

Yes - and per your wikipedia definition, you are one of them.
"Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).
Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

It's up to you, to prove, that the people you call shills here

* provide false statements to convince someone of untruth
* discredit conflicting information or support false conclusions
* mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies
* reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole
* conceal or censor facts
* fill channels of information with disinformation
* discredit the opposition by false claims


Your turn, ning-tard.


.
 Quoting: Hydra


My my why so hostile Hydra???

Did I touch a nerve???

Lol, you went to a lot of effort, did your job depend on it??

Nice one...


shillshill

I love how defensive you get.. Dont take it so personal. I know u have to make a living some how and you obviously like to be unpleasant so you made a job out of your unpleasantness.. Woah Im impressed...

Here have some Zetatalk to celebrate... whoopieee!!!


Orbits are not sacred, can be stopped, can be reversed, can be altered such that a planet veers closer to its Sun or outward in a more elliptical manner, can dip down or raise such that the orbit takes a different path, and then return or not return, depending. Thus, the current Earth orbit should not be considered written in stone, immutable, and any change is possible.
Life on a planet does not end if an orbit changes, and often scarcely notices. The days may be cooler or warmer, the stars in a different place, and the seasons and sunset and sunrise times radically different, but overall, unless an orbit change puts a planet into the Sun such that life fries, or into cold space such that it freezes, it is not a death sentence.
In the battle about to ensue between Earth and Planet X, the larger will get a grip on the lesser and not let go until havoc has been unleashed on Earth. Why would Earth’s orbit, in this drama, be exempt from such a grip? What would stop the orbit of Earth from reversing, stopping, or drawing closer to Planet X? There is no force other than the benign forces that gently called Earth’s orbit into being in the first place to intervene.
The forces in this grip are some of the most powerful in the interplay between planetary bodies - magnetic and gravitational. Where the Repulsion Force prevents Earth and Planet X from colliding, both draw upon the other with a gravity force, and Planet X envelopes the Earth in its magnetic field. Both these forces are strong enough to stop both planets in their orbits, temporarily, but in that Earth is the lesser it alone is affected, so no alteration in the orbit of Planet X occurs.
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ZetaTalk: Sacred Orbits
written August 20, 2003
Anonymous Coward
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I dont even care about zetatalk. But obviously you lot do so enjoy
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ZetaTalk: Pending Announcement
written August 27, 2012

The establishment, primarily the CIA arm, has used Hollywood to spin the message on aliens and the pending passage of Planet X to their liking. Except for Spielberg’s hallmark movies ET and Close Encounters, which told the truth, the spin has been a lie. The CIA, via the movies and TV series, assert that aliens are here to squirt acid, colonize, and eat mankind. The truth about the pending passage of Planet X and what the Earth’s geography reports is likewise skewed. The Earth changes that man is facing – disturbed magnetosphere, slowing rotation, fireballs from the sky, high tides, shifting plates, and rising sea level – are all given a cause other than a passing planet.

If one wants proof that the CIA has dictated the Hollywood agenda, look no further than this for proof. Why else would a passing planet be verboten? The Event was approved because it presented the alien presence as something to be feared, the aliens seductive but planning to wipe out mankind. But the CIA made it clear to the producers that the story line must stop before it came too close to depicting the actual passage of Planet X. Thus, just as the cover-up crowd is planning to announce that indeed there is a rogue planet in the vicinity responsible for the rise in earthquakes, volcanism, and erratic weather, there has been no voice explaining how the Pole Shift and Last Weeks will unfold – except ZetaTalk.

In that ZetaTalk has been suppressed mightily by the cover-up crowd, media sources told not to feature Nancy and Coast to Coast told to limit her appearances to only once every few years, they are hoping to steer the attention after the announcement to their hand-picked puppets, those who have cooperated with the cover-up. After years of stating that Planet X did not exist, or was perhaps way out in space somewhere (anywhere but near the Sun where it was showing up regularly in photos and even on the SOHO and Stereo images), these spokes persons will be put forth to explain what the announcement means for the anxious public. How will this play out?
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ZetaTalk: Pending Announcement
written August 27, 2012

The establishment, primarily the CIA arm, has used Hollywood to spin the message on aliens and the pending passage of Planet X to their liking. Except for Spielberg’s hallmark movies ET and Close Encounters, which told the truth, the spin has been a lie. The CIA, via the movies and TV series, assert that aliens are here to squirt acid, colonize, and eat mankind. The truth about the pending passage of Planet X and what the Earth’s geography reports is likewise skewed. The Earth changes that man is facing – disturbed magnetosphere, slowing rotation, fireballs from the sky, high tides, shifting plates, and rising sea level – are all given a cause other than a passing planet.

If one wants proof that the CIA has dictated the Hollywood agenda, look no further than this for proof. Why else would a passing planet be verboten? The Event was approved because it presented the alien presence as something to be feared, the aliens seductive but planning to wipe out mankind. But the CIA made it clear to the producers that the story line must stop before it came too close to depicting the actual passage of Planet X. Thus, just as the cover-up crowd is planning to announce that indeed there is a rogue planet in the vicinity responsible for the rise in earthquakes, volcanism, and erratic weather, there has been no voice explaining how the Pole Shift and Last Weeks will unfold – except ZetaTalk.

In that ZetaTalk has been suppressed mightily by the cover-up crowd, media sources told not to feature Nancy and Coast to Coast told to limit her appearances to only once every few years, they are hoping to steer the attention after the announcement to their hand-picked puppets, those who have cooperated with the cover-up. After years of stating that Planet X did not exist, or was perhaps way out in space somewhere (anywhere but near the Sun where it was showing up regularly in photos and even on the SOHO and Stereo images), these spokes persons will be put forth to explain what the announcement means for the anxious public. How will this play out?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


>> they are hoping to steer the attention after the announcement to their hand-picked puppets

Like Circuit Breaker who is clearly coordinating the ZetaTalk "response".
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Thanks for providing some early morning humor for me.

Anyway, all is well with us. Wind is out of the SW with gusts to 12 mph so the smoke isn't a problem this morning since the fire is north of us. Another amateur radio operator I know through one of the groups I'm a member of had to evacuate and believes he has lost everything, although currently his home does not show up on the list of damaged or destroyed properties. My wife knows someone at work who has lost their home supposedly. One forecast I saw calls for thunderstorms tomorrow and the rain would help but I don't think anything will happen considering the weather pattern we've been stuck in the last three years.
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Like Circuit Breaker who is clearly coordinating the ZetaTalk "response".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41630317


How much is Nancy paying you to be here? Also, does she provide any kind of benefits package such as paid time off during the "pole shift?" Perhaps some kind of employee discount on bunkers?
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That would imply, that I regard the poleshit.ning as a cult.
Would you please be so kind, to show me where I characterised the poleshit.ning as a cult.

And your evidence, that I am a shill is?
Oh wait, I am. - Definition of shill: someone who don't agree with you.
 Quoting: Hydra

Well if not to discourage Cult behavior, why the seeming obsession with Nancy Lieder and zetatalk?? Please elucidate for me Hydra!!
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

How do you define "obsession?
Oh, I see:
... Here are some of your thread titles Hydra....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

Eight or so threads in two years = obsession?
A little deeper look would reveal, that from my 2,800 posts may be 10 percent are dedicated to Poleshit-Nancy.
Apparently your "research for obsession" was somewhat biased - but what else to expect from a ning-tard.


Obsessed much, just look at you signiture, dedicated to none other than..... You guessed it... Poleshift ning :D
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

Dedicated to "The sun is off tards", "The moon is off tards" and "The earth is off tards".
And there are lots of it, like Marshal Masters, Denise Chavaz Dimwit, ... - Poleshit-Nancy is just one of them.


You do pay to post here ...
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

I also pay for a cinema or theater ticket, for concerts and a lot of other entertaining things.


Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
 Quoting: Kiwi AC 41604005

Yes - and per your wikipedia definition, you are one of them.
"Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).
Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

It's up to you, to prove, that the people you call shills here

* provide false statements to convince someone of untruth
* discredit conflicting information or support false conclusions
* mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies
* reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole
* conceal or censor facts
* fill channels of information with disinformation
* discredit the opposition by false claims


Your turn, ning-tard.


.
 Quoting: Hydra

My my why so hostile Hydra???

Did I touch a nerve???

Lol, you went to a lot of effort, did your job depend on it??

Nice one...

I love how defensive you get.. Dont take it so personal. I know u have to make a living some how and you obviously like to be unpleasant so you made a job out of your unpleasantness.. Woah Im impressed...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

No arguments, no evidence, nothing more to say?

I see, nothing left but ad hominem.

Poor.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
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My my why so hostile Hydra???

Did I touch a nerve???

Lol, you went to a lot of effort, did your job depend on it??

Nice one...

I love how defensive you get.. Dont take it so personal. I know u have to make a living some how and you obviously like to be unpleasant so you made a job out of your unpleasantness.. Woah Im impressed...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005


Shills

* provide false statements to convince someone of untruth
* discredit conflicting information or support false conclusions
* mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies
* reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole
* conceal or censor facts
* fill channels of information with disinformation
* discredit the opposition by false claims
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
Hydra

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Here have some Zetatalk to celebrate... whoopieee!!!


Orbits are not sacred, can be stopped, can be reversed, can be altered such that a planet veers closer to its Sun or outward in a more elliptical manner, can dip down or raise such that the orbit takes a different path, and then return or not return, depending. Thus, the current Earth orbit should not be considered written in stone, immutable, and any change is possible.
Life on a planet does not end if an orbit changes, and often scarcely notices. The days may be cooler or warmer, the stars in a different place, and the seasons and sunset and sunrise times radically different, but overall, unless an orbit change puts a planet into the Sun such that life fries, or into cold space such that it freezes, it is not a death sentence.
In the battle about to ensue between Earth and Planet X, the larger will get a grip on the lesser and not let go until havoc has been unleashed on Earth. Why would Earth’s orbit, in this drama, be exempt from such a grip? What would stop the orbit of Earth from reversing, stopping, or drawing closer to Planet X? There is no force other than the benign forces that gently called Earth’s orbit into being in the first place to intervene.
The forces in this grip are some of the most powerful in the interplay between planetary bodies - magnetic and gravitational. Where the Repulsion Force prevents Earth and Planet X from colliding, both draw upon the other with a gravity force, and Planet X envelopes the Earth in its magnetic field. Both these forces are strong enough to stop both planets in their orbits, temporarily, but in that Earth is the lesser it alone is affected, so no alteration in the orbit of Planet X occurs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

Shills

* provide false statements to convince someone of untruth
* discredit conflicting information or support false conclusions
* mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies
* reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole
* conceal or censor facts
* fill channels of information with disinformation
* discredit the opposition by false claims

.
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
Hydra

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ZetaTalk: Pending Announcement
written August 27, 2012

The establishment, primarily the CIA arm, has used Hollywood to spin the message on aliens and the pending passage of Planet X to their liking. Except for Spielberg’s hallmark movies ET and Close Encounters, which told the truth, the spin has been a lie. The CIA, via the movies and TV series, assert that aliens are here to squirt acid, colonize, and eat mankind. The truth about the pending passage of Planet X and what the Earth’s geography reports is likewise skewed. The Earth changes that man is facing – disturbed magnetosphere, slowing rotation, fireballs from the sky, high tides, shifting plates, and rising sea level – are all given a cause other than a passing planet.

If one wants proof that the CIA has dictated the Hollywood agenda, look no further than this for proof. Why else would a passing planet be verboten? The Event was approved because it presented the alien presence as something to be feared, the aliens seductive but planning to wipe out mankind. But the CIA made it clear to the producers that the story line must stop before it came too close to depicting the actual passage of Planet X. Thus, just as the cover-up crowd is planning to announce that indeed there is a rogue planet in the vicinity responsible for the rise in earthquakes, volcanism, and erratic weather, there has been no voice explaining how the Pole Shift and Last Weeks will unfold – except ZetaTalk.

In that ZetaTalk has been suppressed mightily by the cover-up crowd, media sources told not to feature Nancy and Coast to Coast told to limit her appearances to only once every few years, they are hoping to steer the attention after the announcement to their hand-picked puppets, those who have cooperated with the cover-up. After years of stating that Planet X did not exist, or was perhaps way out in space somewhere (anywhere but near the Sun where it was showing up regularly in photos and even on the SOHO and Stereo images), these spokes persons will be put forth to explain what the announcement means for the anxious public. How will this play out?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41604005

Shills

* provide false statements to convince someone of untruth
* discredit conflicting information or support false conclusions
* mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies
* reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole
* conceal or censor facts
* fill channels of information with disinformation
* discredit the opposition by false claims


.
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
Hydra

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>> they are hoping to steer the attention after the announcement to their hand-picked puppets

Like Circuit Breaker who is clearly coordinating the ZetaTalk "response".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41630317

Shills

* provide false statements to convince someone of untruth
* discredit conflicting information or support false conclusions
* mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies
* reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole
* conceal or censor facts
* fill channels of information with disinformation
* discredit the opposition by false claims

.
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
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>> they are hoping to steer the attention after the announcement to their hand-picked puppets

Like Circuit Breaker who is clearly coordinating the ZetaTalk "response".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41630317

Shills

* provide false statements to convince someone of untruth
* discredit conflicting information or support false conclusions
* mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies
* reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole
* conceal or censor facts
* fill channels of information with disinformation
* discredit the opposition by false claims

.
 Quoting: Hydra

energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed.
Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example.
Illegitimi non carborundum
Alea iacta est.
Dum vivimus vivamus
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I dont even care about zetatalk. But obviously you lot do so enjoy
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If you don't care about zetacrap, then why are you here? I care because the more vulnerable souls can be taken in by such nonsense; no debate allowed on nancy's forum, unquestioning belief is the main requirement for membership. To spread lies is wrong, if you find that unreasonable I am happy to hear your argument.
Nobody *controls* my responses.

Last Edited by Elemental on 06/13/2013 12:10 PM
energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed.
Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example.
Illegitimi non carborundum
Alea iacta est.
Dum vivimus vivamus
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I heard from that photographer, Ajay Talwar. He is not happy about what has been done with his 'copyrighted' image. He has not said what he plans to do about it. I don't yet have permission to directly post his email comments to me, but I have asked if I can post his comments here.
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I heard from that photographer, Ajay Talwar. He is not happy about what has been done with his 'copyrighted' image. He has not said what he plans to do about it. I don't yet have permission to directly post his email comments to me, but I have asked if I can post his comments here.
 Quoting: Menow 32588382


:)
energy cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed.
Nothing is so potent as the silent influence of a good example.
Illegitimi non carborundum
Alea iacta est.
Dum vivimus vivamus
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I heard from that photographer, Ajay Talwar. He is not happy about what has been done with his 'copyrighted' image. He has not said what he plans to do about it. I don't yet have permission to directly post his email comments to me, but I have asked if I can post his comments here.
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As I said before: The best he can do is demand the right of reply from Gerard and/or the Ning owner - on the front page for the same amount of time, Poleshit-Nancys bullshit was there (about one week).

That would hurt much. :))

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I heard from that photographer, Ajay Talwar. He is not happy about what has been done with his 'copyrighted' image. He has not said what he plans to do about it. I don't yet have permission to directly post his email comments to me, but I have asked if I can post his comments here.
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As I said before: The best he can do is demand the right of reply from Gerard and/or the Ning owner - on the front page for the same amount of time, Poleshit-Nancys bullshit was there (about one week).

That would hurt much. :))
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chuckle that'd be hillarious.. but I doubt they'd give him this right voluntarily...but wether they have a choice at all is another question.

Talwar seems busy, but I hope he'll realize the potential of demanding his rights.

GJ Menow.. btw, why don't you sign up a free acc so we can bombard you with Karma?
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Oh my gosh, the crazy cultbilly is in this thread again. He must be more than obsessed with Nancy Liar and her freaky little cult as he is apparently posting more than anyone else here. These cult bastards are always again funny. They say nothing and just repeat their endless cult babble their cult-mistress told them. No wonder such idiots end up with a penile plug or some strong medication.

I can understand the deadly frustration of such cult victims. They wait and wait and wait and nothing happens. For a certain period of their time their cult gave them some social integration into society again – though an isolated one -, but soon after all this failed prophecy they feel some doubts. Of course they can`t understand these doubts but they hate it when people criticize their cult which more or less got a religious sect for them.
The easiest and most important fact when you think about the deadly and criminal cult of Nancy “scumbag” Lieder is that Nibiru doesn`t exist. Everybody with some basic astronomic knowledge who doesn`t worship lenseflares or hilarious ideas like brain wobbling or Christmas hammers can easily verify what all this bullshit is about. The rest crazy Nancy Lieder is inventing around this second life cult is pure balderdash. Its intention is to fool the gullible to serve a psycho-grandma from Wisconsin who also wants to abuse them and get their money. She has been doing that since 1995, with lots of innocent victims, suicides, stolen money, scamming, fraud, abuse … A long list of crimes for Nancy Liar.

Her latest hoax with the stories about mummies shows how desperate aunt Ninny really is. There are no news, her whole 7 of 10 ended in a bad little hoax, 2012 was definitely not too far out, she invented nice fairy tales and now she is using fairy tales again to entertain her last few culttards. For the braindeads every story is good enough as long as FancyNancy is entertaining them in their never ending waiting fun. As they have no knowledge, missed school too often, think that lenseflares are planets,- they have no other option than using the word shill. The expression shill is the last exit for those who have nothing to say and neither facts nor arguments.

The problem with idiots like Bill the kiwi-cultbilly is that they have nothing to say and pure Alzheimer memory. When you tell them some facts they wait for some days and come around with the same crap again. These morons got totally lost in their deadly cult. They will wait another ten years though time sorted them out long ago. Classical cult-victim. These idiots don’t live on this planet anymore. They live in a virtual world created by their cult leader. antibs

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I know I do, all the time, especially in the early morning hours. They're pretty easy to spot; broken english, sometimes even random letters in place of the user name. They're always advertising for some shady website, frequently one that claims to be able to enlarge my penis. Having no need of such enhancements, I tend to ignore the shill's messages and report the post as spam for free karma points.
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Don't sell you self short there Phil.....

"Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).
Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims." [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Do any of you think that the description above shills has any basis in reality?
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I think it likely that such operations do exist. That said, I believe they are much more "corporate" in their leanings. People paid to edit and re-edit the wiki about Scientology come to mind, or big corporations hiring people to monitor and alter their wikis to the most positive message possible.

I do *not* think, however, that debunkers here fit into that category, as I cannot believe anyone with such resources would waste a penny debunking Nancy Lieder/Zetatalk. It's time is past, so now it is merely watching a hyper-slow trainwreck, and occasionally advising people to stay off the tracks.
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I'm glad you acknowledge the existence of such individuals or groups..

You must surely know also of many of the theories behind this website as well then??

This is a conspiracy website after all, where better to install shills than in a place like this, to find out who is interested in such topics and influence the way in which those topics are viewed..

That would seem like a coherent sort of reasoning to me if I were to want to redirect some attention, or influence some opinions..
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I have answered your question. Perhaps you will answer mine now?

What evidence could possibly convince you I was *not* a shill, and was a fairly normal guy merely posting logical arguments? Any you can even imagine?
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You`re wasting your time, buddy. This jackass is a cult victim. And it`s so easy to see. Confront him with the facts not with shill babble. These are the things Nancy uses to brainwash them. First they get a penile plug, then she is hammering some brainwashing into their cult asses.

Confront him with the facts and don`t play his cult game. This guy is both hurt and mad.

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You`re wasting your time, buddy. This jackass is a cult victim. And it`s so easy to see. Confront him with the facts not with shill babble. These are the things Nancy uses to brainwash them. First they get a penil plug, then she is hammering some brainwashing into their cult asses.

Confront him with the facts and don`t play his cult game. This guy is both hurt and mad.
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Perhaps this is so. Nonetheless, I'd be *very* curious if my question can be rationally answered by such a believer, or even mere apologist.
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You`re wasting your time, buddy. This jackass is a cult victim. And it`s so easy to see. Confront him with the facts not with shill babble. These are the things Nancy uses to brainwash them. First they get a penil plug, then she is hammering some brainwashing into their cult asses.

Confront him with the facts and don`t play his cult game. This guy is both hurt and mad.
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Perhaps this is so. Nonetheless, I'd be *very* curious if my question can be rationally answered by such a believer, or even mere apologist.
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It appears that when one buys into zetacrap one also forgoes rationality.
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Her latest hoax with the stories about mummies shows how desperate aunt Ninny really is. There are no news, her whole 7 of 10 ended in a bad little hoax, 2012 was definitely not too far out, she invented nice fairy tales and now she is using fairy tales again to entertain her last few culttards. For the braindeads every story is good enough as long as FancyNancy is entertaining them in their never ending waiting fun. As they have no knowledge, missed school too often, think that lenseflares are planets,- they have no other option than using the word shill. The expression shill is the last exit for those who have nothing to say and neither facts nor arguments.
 Quoting: VeritasN1


You would think with super-intelligent aliens on your side, you would make some difference?

Or you would assume they'd have a little more attention than a couple of followers and some debunkers dealing with the crap?

Or you would assume they'd present some intellectual news to the people rather than reiterating myths or stuff nobody can prove?

ZetaCrap has really degraded to one of those backyard cults nobody will ever really know about. - Which ain't bad at all, because as Lothar said, its really just GigaBytes of useless information.

It appears that when one buys into zetacrap one also forgoes rationality.
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Absolutely.
ZetaCrap can never be put on the same side of the equation with rationality.

Flareberto (err sorry, Flareberto's camera - as by his own admission) "sees" the planet every day, but nobody else can.

Ninnies ZetaStatements about Flareberto's flares are merely a human to machine conversation. Nancy is talking to Flareberto's camera because only the camera has yet been able to see Planet Exe on a daily basis.
- That is "Zetationality" = the Zeta-derivate of rationality. (or inversion?)

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Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
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I know I do, all the time, especially in the early morning hours. They're pretty easy to spot; broken english, sometimes even random letters in place of the user name. They're always advertising for some shady website, frequently one that claims to be able to enlarge my penis. Having no need of such enhancements, I tend to ignore the shill's messages and report the post as spam for free karma points.
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Don't sell you self short there Phil.....
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What makes you think my name is Phil?
"Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).
Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims." [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Do any of you think that the description above shills has any basis in reality?
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When it comes to Nibiru/Planet X/poleshift crap, no. I have not seen a single shred of evidence that those subjects are targeted with "disinformation" by "shills."

I do see cult-like followers of various proponents of it "shilling" for their cult, sometimes while lying and denying their own interest or adherence to the cult, but I think the term "disinformation" is a bit too strong in that case as it carries with it a connotation of a larger plan orchestrated by a master mind or group. It can better be described by the true meaning of the term "shill," "a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Obviously there is some degree of overlap in those definitions, but I find the term "shill" to be more fitting of those people. Most of what they spew falls under the heading of misinformation since they don't realize how wrong it is.

They may seriously believe the people they are fighting against are themselves "shills" of NASA, the government, etc, but ironically we're not. People like me are just legitimately interested and knowledgeable about science, astronomy, etc, and we enjoy debunking. Nancy received more attention from amateurs than most partly because she used to post her claims on a usenet for astronomy filled with amateur astronomers. Many of us are just that, amateur astronomers, and our interest in the subject is not limited to Nancy's claims, but we don't mind applying our knowledge to those claims. It's made for at least one enjoyable impromptu star party.
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That one was before my time, but I've had fun with virtual online star parties webcasting from my scope nonetheless.

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You`re wasting your time, buddy. This jackass is a cult victim. And it`s so easy to see. Confront him with the facts not with shill babble. These are the things Nancy uses to brainwash them. First they get a penil plug, then she is hammering some brainwashing into their cult asses.

Confront him with the facts and don`t play his cult game. This guy is both hurt and mad.
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Perhaps this is so. Nonetheless, I'd be *very* curious if my question can be rationally answered by such a believer, or even mere apologist.
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I'll have you know, I love the amount of unprotected sex I have with my penile plug!! You should get one too!!!

The evidence I can think is not providable by you, maybe an unexpected search of your internet history or your tax returns or some shit like that.. I dont know dude..

This is just fun and games you know?? I dont get why every one gets their backs up and acts so agro just over some fucking old ladies website...

unless you sly fuckers are redirecting attention to zetatalk purposely with the constant talk about it, like some kind of fucked up reverse psychology... Because if thats what you are being paid to do, thats whats working.. If you are being paid to ward people off from zetatalk.. Failing miserably...

And just to cheer you lot up a bit, keep you from being so angry, ill share some more zetatalk, just to keep u al happy
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ZetaTalk: Torque Effect, written May 1, 2004
By gripping the Atlantic Rift, the cause of the Global Quakes that have racked the Earth [since 2003], Planet X is creating a slow continental drift. The Atlantic Rift is held back when it faces or is in opposition to Planet X, creating not only a pile up in the plates following the rift, but also tearing apart the rift by the momentum to the East. What is the effect on the plates on either side of the rift when a void is created? There is a slide into the void, on the side experiencing a pileup, and thus the N American Plate is dropping into the void, relieving the stress of compression along its northern border in the Arctic by a torque to the side as it does so. The overall effect of this drift, which will increase in speed and force, will be a torque. Hold the globe with the left hand on the N Pole, the right hand on the S Pole. The N Pole going in the direction of rotation with the S Pole held back, the torque forces the N American Plate down and into the Caribbean


ZetaTalk: N American Rip, written Feb 10, 2006
When Planet X arrived in the inner solar system in 2003 and began seriously tugging at the highly magnetized Atlantic Rift, it accentuated this stretch on either side of the Atlantic. What went unstated during these discussions is why a stretch zone occurs. Look at S America, on the large S American plate. As the Atlantic is pulled apart, the Pacific compressed, it is required to have the upper part migrate to the West more than the tip, which is anchored at Antarctica. It moves as a whole, in the main, crunching the small plates in the Caribbean and Central America as it does so and popping the plate holding the Galapagos Islands which lies just to the west of S America. It can move, in short. But what of the N American plate? The giant plates of N America and Eurasia are locked against each other, unable to rotate against each other due to their shape. Slip-slide along the West Coast, measured as a creep by geologists, is due only to slight adjustments along that edge of the plate, primarily due to adjustments within the small plates to the west of the N American plate, which move to accommodate pressure.

The N American plate does not move, pre se, but other dramas occur. We explained [in May 2004], months before it expressed enough to show up on IRIS charts, the Earth torque caused as the N Pole continuing to rotate to the East while the S Pole was held back by Planet X, tending to open the globe like a jar of pickles. This creates a diagonal stress on the N American continent where New England is pulled to the east while Mexico is pulled to the West, so the New Madrid is put under slip-slide stress where one half, east of the Mississippi, will move toward the NE while the other, west of the Mississippi, moves toward the SW. The virtual hook of land in the N American continent near the Kamchatka peninsula is solid rock and will not snap off to become a separate land plate, nor would this ease the deadlock along the N American and Eurasian plates even it if did. These massive plates cannot move.

The stress on the N American plate will resolve by ripping. Ripping the St. Lawrence Seaway open. Pulling the SE down into the crumbling Caribbean and into the widening Atlantic, as neither of these sinking fronts will be able to support the edge of the weighty N American plate. There is pressure along the West Coast, of course, and as the N American plate confronts the compressing Pacific, this will only result in the predictable volcanic increases and West Coast earthquakes. But the primary drama preceding the pole shift will be the ripping action that a plate unable to move must endure. The notable area of catastrophe during this is the eastern half of the continental US. From Houston to Chicago to New England, the diagonal pull will tear the underpinning of cities and create a catastrophe for the US that will make the New Orleans disaster appear trivial. A widening Seaway also does not affect just those land masses bordering the Seaway, as buckling occurs inland and afar. What does man assume caused the Black Hills to be so rumpled, with the appearance of a recent bucking and heaving? This is the center of a land plate! The tearing of the Seaway does not end at Duluth, MN, it travels underground to S Dakota!

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PS - I will be the first to admit that I think the planet shown on the swiss franc is only halleys comment, as Im pretty sure the artist had some link to it... So yeah, don't all you haters get it twisted..

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Your all a bunch of heartless internet bullies.


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