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I heard from that photographer, Ajay Talwar. He is not happy about what has been done with his 'copyrighted' image. He has not said what he plans to do about it. I don't yet have permission to directly post his email comments to me, but I have asked if I can post his comments here.
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I heard from that photographer, Ajay Talwar. He is not happy about what has been done with his 'copyrighted' image. He has not said what he plans to do about it. I don't yet have permission to directly post his email comments to me, but I have asked if I can post his comments here.
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As I said before: The best he can do is demand the right of reply from Gerard and/or the Ning owner - on the front page for the same amount of time, Poleshit-Nancys bullshit was there (about one week).

That would hurt much. :))

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I heard from that photographer, Ajay Talwar. He is not happy about what has been done with his 'copyrighted' image. He has not said what he plans to do about it. I don't yet have permission to directly post his email comments to me, but I have asked if I can post his comments here.
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As I said before: The best he can do is demand the right of reply from Gerard and/or the Ning owner - on the front page for the same amount of time, Poleshit-Nancys bullshit was there (about one week).

That would hurt much. :))
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chuckle that'd be hillarious.. but I doubt they'd give him this right voluntarily...but wether they have a choice at all is another question.

Talwar seems busy, but I hope he'll realize the potential of demanding his rights.

GJ Menow.. btw, why don't you sign up a free acc so we can bombard you with Karma?
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Oh my gosh, the crazy cultbilly is in this thread again. He must be more than obsessed with Nancy Liar and her freaky little cult as he is apparently posting more than anyone else here. These cult bastards are always again funny. They say nothing and just repeat their endless cult babble their cult-mistress told them. No wonder such idiots end up with a penile plug or some strong medication.

I can understand the deadly frustration of such cult victims. They wait and wait and wait and nothing happens. For a certain period of their time their cult gave them some social integration into society again – though an isolated one -, but soon after all this failed prophecy they feel some doubts. Of course they can`t understand these doubts but they hate it when people criticize their cult which more or less got a religious sect for them.
The easiest and most important fact when you think about the deadly and criminal cult of Nancy “scumbag” Lieder is that Nibiru doesn`t exist. Everybody with some basic astronomic knowledge who doesn`t worship lenseflares or hilarious ideas like brain wobbling or Christmas hammers can easily verify what all this bullshit is about. The rest crazy Nancy Lieder is inventing around this second life cult is pure balderdash. Its intention is to fool the gullible to serve a psycho-grandma from Wisconsin who also wants to abuse them and get their money. She has been doing that since 1995, with lots of innocent victims, suicides, stolen money, scamming, fraud, abuse … A long list of crimes for Nancy Liar.

Her latest hoax with the stories about mummies shows how desperate aunt Ninny really is. There are no news, her whole 7 of 10 ended in a bad little hoax, 2012 was definitely not too far out, she invented nice fairy tales and now she is using fairy tales again to entertain her last few culttards. For the braindeads every story is good enough as long as FancyNancy is entertaining them in their never ending waiting fun. As they have no knowledge, missed school too often, think that lenseflares are planets,- they have no other option than using the word shill. The expression shill is the last exit for those who have nothing to say and neither facts nor arguments.

The problem with idiots like Bill the kiwi-cultbilly is that they have nothing to say and pure Alzheimer memory. When you tell them some facts they wait for some days and come around with the same crap again. These morons got totally lost in their deadly cult. They will wait another ten years though time sorted them out long ago. Classical cult-victim. These idiots don’t live on this planet anymore. They live in a virtual world created by their cult leader. antibs

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I know I do, all the time, especially in the early morning hours. They're pretty easy to spot; broken english, sometimes even random letters in place of the user name. They're always advertising for some shady website, frequently one that claims to be able to enlarge my penis. Having no need of such enhancements, I tend to ignore the shill's messages and report the post as spam for free karma points.
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Don't sell you self short there Phil.....

"Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).
Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims." [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Do any of you think that the description above shills has any basis in reality?
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I think it likely that such operations do exist. That said, I believe they are much more "corporate" in their leanings. People paid to edit and re-edit the wiki about Scientology come to mind, or big corporations hiring people to monitor and alter their wikis to the most positive message possible.

I do *not* think, however, that debunkers here fit into that category, as I cannot believe anyone with such resources would waste a penny debunking Nancy Lieder/Zetatalk. It's time is past, so now it is merely watching a hyper-slow trainwreck, and occasionally advising people to stay off the tracks.
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I'm glad you acknowledge the existence of such individuals or groups..

You must surely know also of many of the theories behind this website as well then??

This is a conspiracy website after all, where better to install shills than in a place like this, to find out who is interested in such topics and influence the way in which those topics are viewed..

That would seem like a coherent sort of reasoning to me if I were to want to redirect some attention, or influence some opinions..
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I have answered your question. Perhaps you will answer mine now?

What evidence could possibly convince you I was *not* a shill, and was a fairly normal guy merely posting logical arguments? Any you can even imagine?
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You`re wasting your time, buddy. This jackass is a cult victim. And it`s so easy to see. Confront him with the facts not with shill babble. These are the things Nancy uses to brainwash them. First they get a penile plug, then she is hammering some brainwashing into their cult asses.

Confront him with the facts and don`t play his cult game. This guy is both hurt and mad.

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You`re wasting your time, buddy. This jackass is a cult victim. And it`s so easy to see. Confront him with the facts not with shill babble. These are the things Nancy uses to brainwash them. First they get a penil plug, then she is hammering some brainwashing into their cult asses.

Confront him with the facts and don`t play his cult game. This guy is both hurt and mad.
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Perhaps this is so. Nonetheless, I'd be *very* curious if my question can be rationally answered by such a believer, or even mere apologist.
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You`re wasting your time, buddy. This jackass is a cult victim. And it`s so easy to see. Confront him with the facts not with shill babble. These are the things Nancy uses to brainwash them. First they get a penil plug, then she is hammering some brainwashing into their cult asses.

Confront him with the facts and don`t play his cult game. This guy is both hurt and mad.
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Perhaps this is so. Nonetheless, I'd be *very* curious if my question can be rationally answered by such a believer, or even mere apologist.
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It appears that when one buys into zetacrap one also forgoes rationality.
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Her latest hoax with the stories about mummies shows how desperate aunt Ninny really is. There are no news, her whole 7 of 10 ended in a bad little hoax, 2012 was definitely not too far out, she invented nice fairy tales and now she is using fairy tales again to entertain her last few culttards. For the braindeads every story is good enough as long as FancyNancy is entertaining them in their never ending waiting fun. As they have no knowledge, missed school too often, think that lenseflares are planets,- they have no other option than using the word shill. The expression shill is the last exit for those who have nothing to say and neither facts nor arguments.
 Quoting: VeritasN1


You would think with super-intelligent aliens on your side, you would make some difference?

Or you would assume they'd have a little more attention than a couple of followers and some debunkers dealing with the crap?

Or you would assume they'd present some intellectual news to the people rather than reiterating myths or stuff nobody can prove?

ZetaCrap has really degraded to one of those backyard cults nobody will ever really know about. - Which ain't bad at all, because as Lothar said, its really just GigaBytes of useless information.

It appears that when one buys into zetacrap one also forgoes rationality.
 Quoting: Elemental


Absolutely.
ZetaCrap can never be put on the same side of the equation with rationality.

Flareberto (err sorry, Flareberto's camera - as by his own admission) "sees" the planet every day, but nobody else can.

Ninnies ZetaStatements about Flareberto's flares are merely a human to machine conversation. Nancy is talking to Flareberto's camera because only the camera has yet been able to see Planet Exe on a daily basis.
- That is "Zetationality" = the Zeta-derivate of rationality. (or inversion?)

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Another thing I think it is important to clarify.... Do you believe in the existence of shills or disinformists on internet message boards (simple question)?? And if your answer is yes, what criteria would you use to distinguish such posters?? Please do tell
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I know I do, all the time, especially in the early morning hours. They're pretty easy to spot; broken english, sometimes even random letters in place of the user name. They're always advertising for some shady website, frequently one that claims to be able to enlarge my penis. Having no need of such enhancements, I tend to ignore the shill's messages and report the post as spam for free karma points.
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Don't sell you self short there Phil.....
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What makes you think my name is Phil?
"Disinformation is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. For this reason, it is synonymous with and sometimes called black propaganda. It is an act of deception and false statements to convince someone of untruth. Disinformation should not be confused with misinformation, information that is unintentionally false.
Unlike traditional propaganda techniques designed to engage emotional support, disinformation is designed to manipulate the audience at the rational level by either discrediting conflicting information or supporting false conclusions. A common disinformation tactic is to mix some truth and observation with false conclusions and lies, or to reveal part of the truth while presenting it as the whole (a limited hangout).
Another technique of concealing facts, or censorship, is also used if the group can affect such control. When channels of information cannot be completely closed, they can be rendered useless by filling them with disinformation, effectively lowering their signal-to-noise ratio and discrediting the opposition by association with many easily disproved false claims." [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Do any of you think that the description above shills has any basis in reality?
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When it comes to Nibiru/Planet X/poleshift crap, no. I have not seen a single shred of evidence that those subjects are targeted with "disinformation" by "shills."

I do see cult-like followers of various proponents of it "shilling" for their cult, sometimes while lying and denying their own interest or adherence to the cult, but I think the term "disinformation" is a bit too strong in that case as it carries with it a connotation of a larger plan orchestrated by a master mind or group. It can better be described by the true meaning of the term "shill," "a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization."
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Obviously there is some degree of overlap in those definitions, but I find the term "shill" to be more fitting of those people. Most of what they spew falls under the heading of misinformation since they don't realize how wrong it is.

They may seriously believe the people they are fighting against are themselves "shills" of NASA, the government, etc, but ironically we're not. People like me are just legitimately interested and knowledgeable about science, astronomy, etc, and we enjoy debunking. Nancy received more attention from amateurs than most partly because she used to post her claims on a usenet for astronomy filled with amateur astronomers. Many of us are just that, amateur astronomers, and our interest in the subject is not limited to Nancy's claims, but we don't mind applying our knowledge to those claims. It's made for at least one enjoyable impromptu star party.
[link to www.laughton.com]
That one was before my time, but I've had fun with virtual online star parties webcasting from my scope nonetheless.

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You`re wasting your time, buddy. This jackass is a cult victim. And it`s so easy to see. Confront him with the facts not with shill babble. These are the things Nancy uses to brainwash them. First they get a penil plug, then she is hammering some brainwashing into their cult asses.

Confront him with the facts and don`t play his cult game. This guy is both hurt and mad.
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Perhaps this is so. Nonetheless, I'd be *very* curious if my question can be rationally answered by such a believer, or even mere apologist.
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I'll have you know, I love the amount of unprotected sex I have with my penile plug!! You should get one too!!!

The evidence I can think is not providable by you, maybe an unexpected search of your internet history or your tax returns or some shit like that.. I dont know dude..

This is just fun and games you know?? I dont get why every one gets their backs up and acts so agro just over some fucking old ladies website...

unless you sly fuckers are redirecting attention to zetatalk purposely with the constant talk about it, like some kind of fucked up reverse psychology... Because if thats what you are being paid to do, thats whats working.. If you are being paid to ward people off from zetatalk.. Failing miserably...

And just to cheer you lot up a bit, keep you from being so angry, ill share some more zetatalk, just to keep u al happy
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ZetaTalk: Torque Effect, written May 1, 2004
By gripping the Atlantic Rift, the cause of the Global Quakes that have racked the Earth [since 2003], Planet X is creating a slow continental drift. The Atlantic Rift is held back when it faces or is in opposition to Planet X, creating not only a pile up in the plates following the rift, but also tearing apart the rift by the momentum to the East. What is the effect on the plates on either side of the rift when a void is created? There is a slide into the void, on the side experiencing a pileup, and thus the N American Plate is dropping into the void, relieving the stress of compression along its northern border in the Arctic by a torque to the side as it does so. The overall effect of this drift, which will increase in speed and force, will be a torque. Hold the globe with the left hand on the N Pole, the right hand on the S Pole. The N Pole going in the direction of rotation with the S Pole held back, the torque forces the N American Plate down and into the Caribbean


ZetaTalk: N American Rip, written Feb 10, 2006
When Planet X arrived in the inner solar system in 2003 and began seriously tugging at the highly magnetized Atlantic Rift, it accentuated this stretch on either side of the Atlantic. What went unstated during these discussions is why a stretch zone occurs. Look at S America, on the large S American plate. As the Atlantic is pulled apart, the Pacific compressed, it is required to have the upper part migrate to the West more than the tip, which is anchored at Antarctica. It moves as a whole, in the main, crunching the small plates in the Caribbean and Central America as it does so and popping the plate holding the Galapagos Islands which lies just to the west of S America. It can move, in short. But what of the N American plate? The giant plates of N America and Eurasia are locked against each other, unable to rotate against each other due to their shape. Slip-slide along the West Coast, measured as a creep by geologists, is due only to slight adjustments along that edge of the plate, primarily due to adjustments within the small plates to the west of the N American plate, which move to accommodate pressure.

The N American plate does not move, pre se, but other dramas occur. We explained [in May 2004], months before it expressed enough to show up on IRIS charts, the Earth torque caused as the N Pole continuing to rotate to the East while the S Pole was held back by Planet X, tending to open the globe like a jar of pickles. This creates a diagonal stress on the N American continent where New England is pulled to the east while Mexico is pulled to the West, so the New Madrid is put under slip-slide stress where one half, east of the Mississippi, will move toward the NE while the other, west of the Mississippi, moves toward the SW. The virtual hook of land in the N American continent near the Kamchatka peninsula is solid rock and will not snap off to become a separate land plate, nor would this ease the deadlock along the N American and Eurasian plates even it if did. These massive plates cannot move.

The stress on the N American plate will resolve by ripping. Ripping the St. Lawrence Seaway open. Pulling the SE down into the crumbling Caribbean and into the widening Atlantic, as neither of these sinking fronts will be able to support the edge of the weighty N American plate. There is pressure along the West Coast, of course, and as the N American plate confronts the compressing Pacific, this will only result in the predictable volcanic increases and West Coast earthquakes. But the primary drama preceding the pole shift will be the ripping action that a plate unable to move must endure. The notable area of catastrophe during this is the eastern half of the continental US. From Houston to Chicago to New England, the diagonal pull will tear the underpinning of cities and create a catastrophe for the US that will make the New Orleans disaster appear trivial. A widening Seaway also does not affect just those land masses bordering the Seaway, as buckling occurs inland and afar. What does man assume caused the Black Hills to be so rumpled, with the appearance of a recent bucking and heaving? This is the center of a land plate! The tearing of the Seaway does not end at Duluth, MN, it travels underground to S Dakota!

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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PS - I will be the first to admit that I think the planet shown on the swiss franc is only halleys comment, as Im pretty sure the artist had some link to it... So yeah, don't all you haters get it twisted..

To busy trying to be mean to me rather than meet me half way

Your all a bunch of heartless internet bullies.
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Troll.
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its truth son

These cats aren't groovy at all, just a bunch of haters who hate for the sake of hating.. Bunch of shills

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One Love One People One Heart....

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Troll.
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its truth son

These cats aren't groovy at all, just a bunch of haters who hate for the sake of hating.. Bunch of shills

No Bob Marley

One Love One People One Heart....

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Dude, seriously, what the fuck is your problem?

We said it minimum a thousand times WHY we're still here fighting ZetaCrap...
Wether you deem this productive or not is irrelevant for me.

I think I am helping those who're having doubts or who suspected there might be something wrong with Lieder. PERIOD.

I don't think Bobby ever suggested you should passively spam, distract, or complain what others are doing without giving any productive input.

If you don't like the way we're dealing with ZetaCrap, then either give us your opinion or simply read another thread.

NO - I will not stop because you think Im only giving her more attention because I don't believe just looking away will change anything...
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Troll.
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its truth son

These cats aren't groovy at all, just a bunch of haters who hate for the sake of hating.. Bunch of shills

No Bob Marley

One Love One People One Heart....

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Dude, seriously, what the fuck is your problem?

We said it minimum a thousand times WHY we're still here fighting ZetaCrap...
Wether you deem this productive or not is irrelevant for me.

I think I am helping those who're having doubts or who suspected there might be something wrong with Lieder. PERIOD.

I don't think Bobby ever suggested you should passively spam, distract, or complain what others are doing without giving any productive input.

If you don't like the way we're dealing with ZetaCrap, then either give us your opinion or simply read another thread.

NO - I will not stop because you think Im only giving her more attention because I don't believe just looking away will change anything...
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Thats fair enough, like Ive said....

I'll be the first to admit that I think the note in the latest 7 of 10 is halleys comet

I gave you lot the heads up with occultation of jupiter and oklahoma lens flare vid.. but still the shills try crack jokes about cults when they are the obsessed ones

dont get that all you do is fuel the zetatalk fire,, U want to end zetatalk why feed it energy it makes no sense?? You catch my drift homie??

You know what they say, you dont want to feed a bully u ignore them and dont give them the satisfaction, same with zetatalk, you dont wanna see people get sucked in.. Dont read it..

Then on the other had, I have learnt from this thread to take things with a grain of salt much more so... So for that I thank you!!!
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If you derive a sense of purpose from debunking zetatalk, who am i to tell you that you are wrong..

Actually, you have every right to do so, especially considering your personal involvement with the running of the ning....

I'm just saying if it were me, and I were you. I would have the google doc up(which you should update) and i would just distance my self entirely from zetatalk, you know? But then again, what ever your path is, is yours and not mine to judge, so I should probably take my own advice really.

But in all honesty, this thread generates a lot of interest in zetatalk, so your methods appear counter intuitive.. Just pointing that out
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dont get that all you do is fuel the zetatalk fire,, U want to end zetatalk why feed it energy it makes no sense?? You catch my drift homie??
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I do, but what in your opinion would be the alternative?
Ignoring it completly?

Please enlighten us on how we can end the suffering of those people.. Maybe we can learn something from you in this regard.
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dont get that all you do is fuel the zetatalk fire,, U want to end zetatalk why feed it energy it makes no sense?? You catch my drift homie??
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I do, but what in your opinion would be the alternative?
Ignoring it completly?

Please enlighten us on how we can end the suffering of those people.. Maybe we can learn something from you in this regard.
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You're not their messiah, who says they need saving?

Maybe this is a part of what they need to experience, every thing has its season.

But an alternative may be the style in which the debunking is conducted.. You know with out the name calling, like N.LIEder, cultist, tard, etc..

I'm all for adding rationality into the conspiracy world as blind following is obviously dangerous and not to mention unhealthy. But its not zetatalk that is the problem in such people, it is the void they are trying to fill and such seekers will always find some thing, in my opinion, do you know what I'm saying?

But of course I don't know..
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You're not their messiah, who says they need saving?

Maybe this is a part of what they need to experience, every thing has its season.
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Nobody is trying to be their messiah.
It is a natural reaction to her supression and taking advantage of others that brought many here, in my opinion. (Aside from the fact that these were my friends, although now it is a monopolar friendship)

Want a current example? Snowden.

Some people just cant stand seeing others suffering unnecessarily.

But an alternative may be the style in which the debunking is conducted.. You know with out the name calling, like N.LIEder, cultist, tard, etc..
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I agree this is a valid argument, I've noticed this too in the past, however I also got to understand where these claims are coming from.
Rational people can get frustrated from too much ignorance too.


I'm all for adding rationality into the conspiracy world as blind following is obviously dangerous and not to mention unhealthy. But its not zetatalk that is the problem in such people, it is the void they are trying to fill and such seekers will always find some thing, in my opinion, do you know what I'm saying?

But of course I don't know..
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Im totally for it. Rationality that is.... but also the debunkers ain't "robots". Nobody should ever expect perfection from any human.
You are absolutely right about the void, the problem, but adressing their current compensation of the void sounds like a good approach so far, not?

At least it got me out of it that way - Also thanks due to the debunkers who adressed some of the same inconsistencies. Yes they do their homework.

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How exactly did you determine that? In my perception there isn't much interest in zetatalk anymore, period.

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ZetaTalk: Torque Effect, written May 1, 2004
By gripping the Atlantic Rift, the cause of the Global Quakes that have racked the Earth [since 2003], Planet X is creating a slow continental drift. The Atlantic Rift is held back when it faces or is in opposition to Planet X, creating not only a pile up in the plates following the rift, but also tearing apart the rift by the momentum to the East. What is the effect on the plates on either side of the rift when a void is created? There is a slide into the void, on the side experiencing a pileup, and thus the N American Plate is dropping into the void, relieving the stress of compression along its northern border in the Arctic by a torque to the side as it does so. The overall effect of this drift, which will increase in speed and force, will be a torque. Hold the globe with the left hand on the N Pole, the right hand on the S Pole. The N Pole going in the direction of rotation with the S Pole held back, the torque forces the N American Plate down and into the Caribbean


ZetaTalk: N American Rip, written Feb 10, 2006
When Planet X arrived in the inner solar system in 2003 and began seriously tugging at the highly magnetized Atlantic Rift, it accentuated this stretch on either side of the Atlantic. What went unstated during these discussions is why a stretch zone occurs. Look at S America, on the large S American plate. As the Atlantic is pulled apart, the Pacific compressed, it is required to have the upper part migrate to the West more than the tip, which is anchored at Antarctica. It moves as a whole, in the main, crunching the small plates in the Caribbean and Central America as it does so and popping the plate holding the Galapagos Islands which lies just to the west of S America. It can move, in short. But what of the N American plate? The giant plates of N America and Eurasia are locked against each other, unable to rotate against each other due to their shape. Slip-slide along the West Coast, measured as a creep by geologists, is due only to slight adjustments along that edge of the plate, primarily due to adjustments within the small plates to the west of the N American plate, which move to accommodate pressure.

The N American plate does not move, pre se, but other dramas occur. We explained [in May 2004], months before it expressed enough to show up on IRIS charts, the Earth torque caused as the N Pole continuing to rotate to the East while the S Pole was held back by Planet X, tending to open the globe like a jar of pickles. This creates a diagonal stress on the N American continent where New England is pulled to the east while Mexico is pulled to the West, so the New Madrid is put under slip-slide stress where one half, east of the Mississippi, will move toward the NE while the other, west of the Mississippi, moves toward the SW. The virtual hook of land in the N American continent near the Kamchatka peninsula is solid rock and will not snap off to become a separate land plate, nor would this ease the deadlock along the N American and Eurasian plates even it if did. These massive plates cannot move.

The stress on the N American plate will resolve by ripping. Ripping the St. Lawrence Seaway open. Pulling the SE down into the crumbling Caribbean and into the widening Atlantic, as neither of these sinking fronts will be able to support the edge of the weighty N American plate. There is pressure along the West Coast, of course, and as the N American plate confronts the compressing Pacific, this will only result in the predictable volcanic increases and West Coast earthquakes. But the primary drama preceding the pole shift will be the ripping action that a plate unable to move must endure. The notable area of catastrophe during this is the eastern half of the continental US. From Houston to Chicago to New England, the diagonal pull will tear the underpinning of cities and create a catastrophe for the US that will make the New Orleans disaster appear trivial. A widening Seaway also does not affect just those land masses bordering the Seaway, as buckling occurs inland and afar. What does man assume caused the Black Hills to be so rumpled, with the appearance of a recent bucking and heaving? This is the center of a land plate! The tearing of the Seaway does not end at Duluth, MN, it travels underground to S Dakota!

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ROFLMAO! Many of the debunkers here posted on those old threads. We debunked her nonsense then, and all these years later, we have yet to be proven wrong, and Nancy still hasn't gotten anything right.
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How exactly did you determine that? In my perception there isn't much interest in zetatalk anymore, period.
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I wonder how far membership numbers have fallen.....
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But in all honesty, this thread generates a lot of interest in zetatalk
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How exactly did you determine that? In my perception there isn't much interest in zetatalk anymore, period.
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NASA took to debunking Nancy...

Come on dude..

If I made a website tomorrow about a dooms day scenario, I would not gain international attention, nor would I gain the attention of NASA. Just saying dude.

You are right though, when I say a lot, I am speaking relatively.. You see, as in relative to the amount of attention that would be received if there were not debunking..

So I determined it because NASA's David Morrison and JPL's Don Yeomans mention Nancy Lieder and only Nancy Lieder by name... To me that generate attention. Juuuust sayin!!
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You are right though Astro.

zetatalk is pretty low key (just a website with links and another one with some weather and earthquakes and that), that's why I don't get the attention given to it.

4 years worth of posting and over 1000 pages.. If its just some little old thing that no one is really interested in any more whats the point? As i said before.. In my perception, that makes me interested as I want to see whats so bad about it.

that's why I say that the debunker's are obsessed, I mean because no body is that interested except them. I'm not trying to be antagonistic or unpleasant, just curious.
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But in all honesty, this thread generates a lot of interest in zetatalk
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How exactly did you determine that? In my perception there isn't much interest in zetatalk anymore, period.
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I wonder how far membership numbers have fallen.....
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320 total members as of today.

Wow...a whole 320.

According to alexa, the reach has dropped 28.51% in the last month and 50.86% in the last three months. Ranking has also dropped, it was around 111,000 a month or so ago and it's now 129,606. It's gotten so bad that it disappears off the bottom of the traffic rank chart.

Numbers for zetatalk are also dropping - reach is down 20.14% in the last month and 30.92% in the last three months. Traffic rank is also disappearing off the bottom of the chart and stands at 124,687.

As a comparison, GLP is ranked 3,970 with the numbers trending down a little bit.
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But in all honesty, this thread generates a lot of interest in zetatalk
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How exactly did you determine that? In my perception there isn't much interest in zetatalk anymore, period.
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I wonder how far membership numbers have fallen.....
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320 total members as of today.

Wow...a whole 320.

According to alexa, the reach has dropped 28.51% in the last month and 50.86% in the last three months. Ranking has also dropped, it was around 111,000 a month or so ago and it's now 129,606. It's gotten so bad that it disappears off the bottom of the traffic rank chart.

Numbers for zetatalk are also dropping - reach is down 20.14% in the last month and 30.92% in the last three months. Traffic rank is also disappearing off the bottom of the chart and stands at 124,687.

As a comparison, GLP is ranked 3,970 with the numbers trending down a little bit.
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Hence, presumably, the reverse psychology attempt.....*you're simply sending more people to zt....working in their favour* etc. etc.....
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How exactly did you determine that? In my perception there isn't much interest in zetatalk anymore, period.
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I wonder how far membership numbers have fallen.....
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320 total members as of today.

Wow...a whole 320.

According to alexa, the reach has dropped 28.51% in the last month and 50.86% in the last three months. Ranking has also dropped, it was around 111,000 a month or so ago and it's now 129,606. It's gotten so bad that it disappears off the bottom of the traffic rank chart.

Numbers for zetatalk are also dropping - reach is down 20.14% in the last month and 30.92% in the last three months. Traffic rank is also disappearing off the bottom of the chart and stands at 124,687.

As a comparison, GLP is ranked 3,970 with the numbers trending down a little bit.
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Hence, presumably, the reverse psychology attempt.....*you're simply sending more people to zt....working in their favour* etc. etc.....
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:)

Well the point is beyond me..

GLP is just one big conspiracy in and of itself.
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I wonder how far membership numbers have fallen.....
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320 total members as of today.

Wow...a whole 320.


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I would suggest that had the Zetas not resorted to white lies and yanking Nancy's chain, hadn't cried Wolf *quite* so often, and picked an emissary who actually knew *anything* about astronomy and science, that number might be a tad higher.

Just a helpful suggestion -- assuming, of course, the Zetas exist at all.

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