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Hydra made a good point about the warp speed travel between old Alberto's captures and this, which do not correlate, though I think that Alberto's lens flares are generally referred to as "moon swirls" VS actual planet x.
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Nevertheless it would be a quite distance between PX and it's moons.
How many millions of kilometers?

And nancy also sees PX AND moon swirls in most of Flarebertos photos.


I said was wondering the debunkers thought and added the disclaimer that I do not know any thing about astronomy or celestial mechanics or any thing like that, earth science is more my cup of tea.
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A good start would be to download Stellarium [link to www.stellarium.org] and compare such photos with the Stellarium.
A second step would be to read a kittle about Keplers laws an gravity.

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Cheers for the Stellarium link

and good point about the moons and distance. I hate to even admit I took photos of the sun.. But I did and posted them one day and they made a newsletter

after mucking around a bit more, re did it and sure enough was a filter flare. Ha, and it defies logic to think such a massive object by the sun, visible on camera ( if it was ) would not be noticed by every amateur astronomer. Or so you would expect.

Haha, any planet x stuff is worth running by this thread to see if it stands up to examination. Not that you lot are always right either of course, but should still be subjected to analysis, even though there is strong bias
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The good thing about this group is that they at least ask questions, rather than blindly accepting any and every conspiracy theory.
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Hydra made a good point about the warp speed travel between old Alberto's captures and this, which do not correlate, though I think that Alberto's lens flares are generally referred to as "moon swirls" VS actual planet x.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41777006

Nevertheless it would be a quite distance between PX and it's moons.
How many millions of kilometers?

And nancy also sees PX AND moon swirls in most of Flarebertos photos.


I said was wondering the debunkers thought and added the disclaimer that I do not know any thing about astronomy or celestial mechanics or any thing like that, earth science is more my cup of tea.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41777006

A good start would be to download Stellarium [link to www.stellarium.org] and compare such photos with the Stellarium.
A second step would be to read a kittle about Keplers laws an gravity.

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Cheers for the Stellarium link

and good point about the moons and distance. I hate to even admit I took photos of the sun.. But I did and posted them one day and they made a newsletter

after mucking around a bit more, re did it and sure enough was a filter flare. Ha, and it defies logic to think such a massive object by the sun, visible on camera ( if it was ) would not be noticed by every amateur astronomer. Or so you would expect.

Haha, any planet x stuff is worth running by this thread to see if it stands up to examination. Not that you lot are always right either of course, but should still be subjected to analysis, even though there is strong bias
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The good thing about this group is that they at least ask questions, rather than blindly accepting any and every conspiracy theory.
 Quoting: phoomp


Yes, questions like "Can the Zetas tell us why someone would choose to become a paid debunker?"
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Yes, questions like "Can the Zetas tell us why someone would choose to become a paid debunker?"
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You could put an end to the whole thread and the people in it by doing one thing and that is SHOW US PROOF anyone on here is a PAID debunker?!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Until then you're just a schmuck kid with a loud mouth that doesn't have CLUE as to what they're talking about!!!!!!!!!

WHERE'S THE PROOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes, questions like "Can the Zetas tell us why someone would choose to become a paid debunker?"
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I know you didn't asked me, but I would like to have you look at a simple example:

Person A, states B.

Person C, states B.

Mathematically you could say f(A) = B , f(C)= B , so you could say f(A) = f(C).


See, lets say Statement B is: Earths (mid) gravitational pull is 9,81m/s^2 ...

Now what would it change when Person A or Person C make that statement?

Answer: Nothing!
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision

Hopefully we'll never have those "paid debunker" no-guments anymore... but reality usally is different on GLP.

For one good thing being said, a thousand heaps of crapola are being piled up.
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huffy


BTW: Update is out
[link to docs.google.com (secure)]

Might be adding more in the future, but thats it for now.
Study-stuff is a little more important right now.

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LOL ...Now Ann S. can post in the daily freak show ....!

I`m looking forward to her lame excuses. Perhaps Obama told you to write there again. Or Obama will prevent you from writing there again.

The poor cult people will believe it like always. Or not?
What will be the answer of crazy Nancy?
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Nevertheless it would be a quite distance between PX and it's moons.
How many millions of kilometers?

And nancy also sees PX AND moon swirls in most of Flarebertos photos.


...

A good start would be to download Stellarium [link to www.stellarium.org] and compare such photos with the Stellarium.
A second step would be to read a kittle about Keplers laws an gravity.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Cheers for the Stellarium link

and good point about the moons and distance. I hate to even admit I took photos of the sun.. But I did and posted them one day and they made a newsletter

after mucking around a bit more, re did it and sure enough was a filter flare. Ha, and it defies logic to think such a massive object by the sun, visible on camera ( if it was ) would not be noticed by every amateur astronomer. Or so you would expect.

Haha, any planet x stuff is worth running by this thread to see if it stands up to examination. Not that you lot are always right either of course, but should still be subjected to analysis, even though there is strong bias
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The good thing about this group is that they at least ask questions, rather than blindly accepting any and every conspiracy theory.
 Quoting: phoomp


Yes, questions like "Can the Zetas tell us why someone would choose to become a paid debunker?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41790482

Nope. Questions like "Why can't you realize how pathetic your argument has become when the only tactic you have left to discredit with "SHILL!!!" or "paid debunker"".
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LOL ...Now Ann S. can post in the daily freak show ....!

I`m looking forward to her lame excuses. Perhaps Obama told you to write there again. Or Obama will prevent you from writing there again.

The poor cult people will believe it like always. Or not?
What will be the answer of crazy Nancy?
 Quoting: Truther:


cool2 Idk what they will claim now, but Im not in a hurry either...

If needed I can still post a video with me or something like that.
Nancy has no chance to ever cover up the fact that Im still the same person.

So yeah.. let em roast a little
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Thanks for the reply, though I doubt you watched the video, I know a lens flare when I see one and this wasn't a classic lens flare, at the least a very odd lens flare
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There was nothing odd about it and very obviously a lens flare. If it was really a planet, then why doesn't it show up in photos taken from that same time period?

[link to blogs.voanews.com] (December 31, 2012)

[link to thelibertineezine.com] (January 2013)

[link to shawnrjones12.wordpress.com] (February 2013)
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ROTFL - you mad Bro? No way this is a lens flare.


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All I see in that video are the stars, then the Moon, followed by the Sun.
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Cheers for the Stellarium link

and good point about the moons and distance. I hate to even admit I took photos of the sun.. But I did and posted them one day and they made a newsletter

after mucking around a bit more, re did it and sure enough was a filter flare. Ha, and it defies logic to think such a massive object by the sun, visible on camera ( if it was ) would not be noticed by every amateur astronomer. Or so you would expect.

Haha, any planet x stuff is worth running by this thread to see if it stands up to examination. Not that you lot are always right either of course, but should still be subjected to analysis, even though there is strong bias
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41787297

The good thing about this group is that they at least ask questions, rather than blindly accepting any and every conspiracy theory.
 Quoting: phoomp


Yes, questions like "Can the Zetas tell us why someone would choose to become a paid debunker?"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41790482

Nope. Questions like "Why can't you realize how pathetic your argument has become when the only tactic you have left to discredit with "SHILL!!!" or "paid debunker"".
 Quoting: phoomp


The latest WARNING from Nancy!!:

In late May, 2013, anticipating Obama's announcement admitting the presence of Nibiru, aka Planet X in the inner solar system, there was a sudden surge in interest in domains that would be associated with the ZetaTalk name. A least two inquiries from China registrars occurred on May 23 and May 25, 2013, seeking the rights to such extensions for China .CN, Japan .JP, and Hong Kong .HK. The companies seeking control of these domains were clearly interested in selling goods to ride the coattails of a surge in interest in ZetaTalk information. A similar purchase of .RU occurred in 2008, ostensibly for selling goods. The public should be aware that unless an extension is an exact copy of the ZetaTalk.COM website, as the official Mirror Sites are, or are hosted documents, they should be considered illegitimate! Beware of marketing and discrediting campaigns!

AMAZING!!!!
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In late May, 2013, anticipating Obama's announcement admitting the presence of Nibiru, aka Planet X in the inner solar system, there was a sudden surge in interest in domains that would be associated with the ZetaTalk name. A least two inquiries from China registrars occurred on May 23 and May 25, 2013, seeking the rights to such extensions for China .CN, Japan .JP, and Hong Kong .HK. The companies seeking control of these domains were clearly interested in selling goods to ride the coattails of a surge in interest in ZetaTalk information. A similar purchase of .RU occurred in 2008, ostensibly for selling goods. The public should be aware that unless an extension is an exact copy of the ZetaTalk.COM website, as the official Mirror Sites are, or are hosted documents, they should be considered illegitimate! Beware of marketing and discrediting campaigns!

AMAZING!!!!
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This one deserves a spot in The Hall of Shame.

Too funny!

Now spamming by Asian Domain Holding Companies is proof of planet X?

Anyone who owns or manages domain names will recognize just how absurd this is. I get these "inquiries" on a weekly basis.

Classic!
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In late May, 2013, anticipating Obama's announcement admitting the presence of Nibiru, aka Planet X in the inner solar system, there was a sudden surge in interest in domains that would be associated with the ZetaTalk name. A least two inquiries from China registrars occurred on May 23 and May 25, 2013, seeking the rights to such extensions for China .CN, Japan .JP, and Hong Kong .HK. The companies seeking control of these domains were clearly interested in selling goods to ride the coattails of a surge in interest in ZetaTalk information. A similar purchase of .RU occurred in 2008, ostensibly for selling goods. The public should be aware that unless an extension is an exact copy of the ZetaTalk.COM website, as the official Mirror Sites are, or are hosted documents, they should be considered illegitimate! Beware of marketing and discrediting campaigns!

AMAZING!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41853997


This one deserves a spot in The Hall of Shame.

Too funny!

Now spamming by Asian Domain Holding Companies is proof of planet X?

Anyone who owns or manages domain names will recognize just how absurd this is. I get these "inquiries" on a weekly basis.

Classic!
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I don't know about domains, but this THREAD is definitely a ZetaTalk discrediting campaign!
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In late May, 2013, anticipating Obama's announcement admitting the presence of Nibiru, aka Planet X in the inner solar system, there was a sudden surge in interest in domains that would be associated with the ZetaTalk name. A least two inquiries from China registrars occurred on May 23 and May 25, 2013, seeking the rights to such extensions for China .CN, Japan .JP, and Hong Kong .HK. The companies seeking control of these domains were clearly interested in selling goods to ride the coattails of a surge in interest in ZetaTalk information. A similar purchase of .RU occurred in 2008, ostensibly for selling goods. The public should be aware that unless an extension is an exact copy of the ZetaTalk.COM website, as the official Mirror Sites are, or are hosted documents, they should be considered illegitimate! Beware of marketing and discrediting campaigns!

AMAZING!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41853997


This one deserves a spot in The Hall of Shame.

Too funny!

Now spamming by Asian Domain Holding Companies is proof of planet X?

Anyone who owns or manages domain names will recognize just how absurd this is. I get these "inquiries" on a weekly basis.

Classic!
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I don't know about domains, but this THREAD is definitely a ZetaTalk discrediting campaign!
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To be the victim of a discrediting campaign you must have some credibility.

ZetaTalk/Poleshit.ning has none.

.
If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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The latest WARNING from Nancy!!:

In late May, 2013, anticipating Obama's announcement admitting the presence of Nibiru, aka Planet X in the inner solar system, there was a sudden surge in interest in domains that would be associated with the ZetaTalk name. A least two inquiries from China registrars occurred on May 23 and May 25, 2013, seeking the rights to such extensions for China .CN, Japan .JP, and Hong Kong .HK. The companies seeking control of these domains were clearly interested in selling goods to ride the coattails of a surge in interest in ZetaTalk information. A similar purchase of .RU occurred in 2008, ostensibly for selling goods. The public should be aware that unless an extension is an exact copy of the ZetaTalk.COM website, as the official Mirror Sites are, or are hosted documents, they should be considered illegitimate! Beware of marketing and discrediting campaigns!

AMAZING!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41853997


Meanwhile, we're still waiting for that announcement nine months later. And what increase in interest is she talking about? Based on the latest numbers, her popularity continues to decline. In the last month, ZetaTalk's traffic ranking has dropped 20,029. Over the last three months her reach has dropped nearly 30%. It's not any better on the ning either. Her traffic ranking over the last month has dropped 27,769. Her reach has dropped 52.25% over the last three months making it even less popular than ZetaTalk.com. I guess lies is all she has left.

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The latest WARNING from Nancy!!:
(babble)
AMAZING!!!!
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It is very interesting to see how believers justify themselves based on interpretation and speculation.

I read your post like this:

1) I feel confirmed today because:

2) (insert reassuring snippet from the guru here)

3) AMAZING!! (that really convinced me)
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So yeah.. I look at these kinds of postings and wonder how someone doesn't notice the lack of anything substantial.

You know, the debunkers are pretty certain what "ZT", err NancyTalk is.

In other words: I sense some desperation between the lines there.
Or at least it appears you're looking for anything to justify your beliefs (which wouldn't be necessary if it were based on the truth because the truth is always consistent.) - Its absolutely understandable for ZT though. Its the exact opposet of "consistency".

Just a tought.
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I have a question for you guys, about some of the earth changes and zetatalk.

What do you guys think is the cause of phenomenom such as the Kiev trumpets( [link to www.youtube.com] ) and the underground booms being heard every where ( [link to www.youtube.com] ) most of which I believe are unexplained..

And also the *apparent* increase in sink holes. (could be explained by increase in urbanization and I know around 20% of america is susceptible to sink holes, with karst topography being easily erodible)

Heres the zetatalk (I'm wondering what the explanation is if not this)

ZetaTalk Explanation 8/20/2011: Kiev lies just south of a dam on the Kiev Reservoir, a damming of the Dnieper River. A vibration of the dam itself, like the strings of a violin, would resonate in the water, thus not only creating a vibration in the ground but a vibration in the air. There are musical instruments that use a water filled container to increase the vibration, so the vibration affects the air and send a tone forth. Glasses of water filled to different heights, when tapped, create a vibrating tone due to the water surface affecting the air. The glass alone, when tapped, is barely audible. Where trumpets will be heard, worldwide, prior to the pole shift, the Kiev trumpets are not due to upper atmosphere clapping caused by lightning. They are caused by the stretch zone above the Black Sea, which will be pulling apart continuously until the hour of the pole shift. Thus, the people of Kiev should become accustomed to the music their dam is producing, as it is likely to be with them for the duration.

And here is the zetatalk on booms from 2012:

Stretch zone incidents - where rock pulls apart or snaps, creating booms and vibrations and hums, dropping bridges that lose their moorings or snapping gas and water mains, or creating sinkholes or crevasses - are not considered earthquake incidents. Quakes occur when rock borders slide along each other or push under one another, creating a jolt or a series of jolts. Stretch zone accidents only happen when major plate movement is occurring, and are usually silent so do not get the attention that jolting earthquakes get. A bridge slips off its mooring and is attributed to heavy trucks or poor construction. A sinkhole appears and is attributed to ground water erosion. A building implodes and is attributed to settling, even though the building may have been there for centuries.

With the increase in incidents in stretch zones, and the moaning and humming and booming coming from the ground, the establishment is left in a dilemma. Scientists are chastised and forbidden from mentioning the Earth wobble and presence of Planet X, so how to explain the incidents? Just as NASA falls silent when Planet X and its Moon Swirls show up on SOHO images, and just as the USGS has recently run from responsibility for earthquake data collection, silence is the only avenue open to them. Wisconsin is in the stretch zone due to the spreading St. Lawrence Seaway. Its landscape gives evidence of this stretch in the past, with numerous lakes along the route from Green Bay to Madison. Clintonville is pulling apart!
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Also a bit of a post script..

When I googled "increasing sinkholes" I got the poleshift ning as the fourth response..

"Florida has always been an area that has been prone to sinkholes, but the numbers do show that sinkhole damage in the state has increased very rapidly in recent years. According to ABC News, insurance claims related to sinkholes more than doubled between 2006 and 2009…" - cheery picked from a biased news site.. Don't know if its linkable. Cont...

"But that is just Florida, right? Other parts of the country are not having this kind of a problem, right? Wrong.

Just check out what has been happening in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania lately. There are dozens of sinkholes that have opened up in Harrisburg, and the city is so broke that it doesn’t have the money to fix all of them.

In fact, at this point there are 41 sinkholes that have been documented in Harrisburg, and many of them are right in the middle of the street…
"....... Carries on with a bunch more stuff

Zetatalk on that

Indeed, tearing of the St. Lawrence Seaway will occur during the New Madrid adjustment. Because the lurch of Mexico to the west actually intensifies the bowing of the N American continent, the Seaway tears open. This is actually various adjustments at weak points along the Seaway rather than the tearing apart into a larger inland bay that occurs during the pole shift itself. Niagara Falls will remain, but some of the inland locks will break. When the upper Mississippi region finds the land to its west slipping down and to the southwest, those parts north which were formerly firmly attached find they can spring northward, as the pressure from the bow had been inclining them to do. This allows the edge of the rip, at Duluth, MN, to tear further inland, with consequent rumpling in S Dakota and minor shifting of ground in all parts in between.

There is general confusion about our predicted Earth changes. This is most often envisioned as happening all at once, suddenly, without warning. Where earthquakes and stretch zone accidents do seem to happen almost without warning, their approach is never that silent. The N American continent has been getting these warnings for some time, with increasing intensity. Quake swams in the New Madrid region and west of this spot have been occurring, and are on the increase. Sinkholes and shifting roadways are occurring from Pennsylvania through Tennessee and elsewhere. The center of the bow being formed by the N American continent, the San Diego area, has an epidemic of water main breaks, and the snapping rock inland from this point has affected a mine in Utah. None of this is officially ascribed to the New Madrid adjustment that is pending, though FEMA gives evidence of their nervous preparations for the disaster they know is pending.


[link to www.zetatalk.com]


Just thought it was interesting...

Open to all explanations.
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Dammn wish i could edit
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I have a question for you guys, about some of the earth changes and zetatalk.

What do you guys think is the cause of phenomenom such as the Kiev trumpets( [link to www.youtube.com] ) and the underground booms being heard every where ( [link to www.youtube.com] ) most of which I believe are unexplained..
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You are correct, they are unexplained, Nancy will however have you believe an invisible fairy planet is the cause. Since such sound waves need a cause (eg. bang a pot on the table) something that is not possible from an invisible planet.
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Testing....

Once again I have been banned at my home IP address, apparently simply for posting on this thread. Same happened at the local coffee shop AGAIN. One post to this thread = banned. I'm out of town now and testing to see if it happens here.
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Not banned here, I guess.

Here is Ajay Talwar's response to Nancy's misuse of his image. I don't know what he plans to do about it.



This is complete bullshit, the way Nancy has used my 'copyrighted' image, colour inverted it and the words associated with the image are totally wrong.

Ajay Talwar
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Wow. Nancy predicting quakes in a known earthquake fault zone and sinkholes in an area that has always had them. Amazing! NOT!!

Back in the early 2000's she said that earthquakes would increase in frequency and strength. The word she used to describe the increase was "exponential". If she had been right about that, the earth by now would be constantly shaking with magnitudes off the Richter scale. Of course back when she first made those earth shaking predictions, planet x was supposed to show up in 2003 and cause the pole shift. As we all know, that didn't happen, and she had to scramble to mollify her followers, and the Great White Lie was born. Then she came out with the "2012 is too far out" prediction, which again failed.

Nancy is really good at trolling the net for cherry picked news items which she then contorts to come up with her zetatalk bullshit. Since she has no grounding in astronomy, geology, chemistry, or any other science, she always gets it wrong. All she has is excuses for her failures, conspiracy theories and "spiritual" garbage borrowed from the likes of Ashtar Command to keep her little scam going.

The one thing she should have learned and adopted from the Ashtar Command is the "pray it away" clause. Those dudes have been predicting imminent earth changes, ascension and evacuation of the worthy since the late 50's, and they manage to keep a following (which has splintered over the years into different factions that battle amongst themselves for woo woo supremacy) because they tell their believers that if they do enough to raise awareness and their "vibration" they can help stave off the doom, thus making them feel important and special.
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I have a question for you guys, about some of the earth changes and zetatalk.

What do you guys think is the cause of phenomenom such as the Kiev trumpets( [link to www.youtube.com] ) and the underground booms being heard every where ( [link to www.youtube.com] ) most of which I believe are unexplained..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41885000


You are correct, they are unexplained, Nancy will however have you believe an invisible fairy planet is the cause. Since such sound waves need a cause (eg. bang a pot on the table) something that is not possible from an invisible planet.
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But I wonder if an extraterrestrial body could interfere with the magnetic coer and hence cause additional stresses on the plates?? It is possible as an explanation, worthy of some consideration, but still, the jury is out on that one.

New article is interesting about new subduction zone in Spain. [link to www.livescience.com]

"A budding subduction zone offshore of Spain heralds the start of a new cycle that will one day pull the Atlantic Ocean seafloor into the bowels of the Earth, a new study suggests."

**note.. Not endorsing zetatalk.. Just curious as any earth scientist would be**

SOZT
Yes, there is movement in the Straits of Gibraltar, but the reasons these scientists surmise is hardly the cause. It is clear from the pattern of Continental Drift
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
that the African Plate is floating away from the Eurasian Plate. Why would it move in the other direction when the Ring of Fire is compressing and the Atlantic pulling apart! The African Rift Zone is increasing regularly, as current volcanic activity shows. Of course there were great earthquakes along the Mediterranean in the recent past, because the edges of the plates are not smooth so jolting occurs during any rolling of the African Plate.

Why are these scientists then drumming on the word SUBDUCTION to explain why Gibraltar is likely to stretch? Subduction implies being pushed TOGETHER. We have stressed that many people simply cannot face the trauma that the Earth has suffered in her recent past, every 3,600 years as her geology shows. The concept of crustal shifts is simply too frightening, so they refuse to consider this. Here once again we have scientists behaving illogically. In no way is the SPREADING of Gibraltar, here predicted by these scientists, caused by a subduction. To conclude this is illogical.
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I will post this to my earth science class at some stage and see what they reckon
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AC, maybe you will be the first to show us evidence of this 3600 year geological cycle. Nancy always refers to "evidence" of this, but nobody has been able to present evidence from reputable scientific sources, just links to more zetatalk or other woo woo sites. Come on. Make my day and change my mind about it by pointing me to real evidence of this cycle.
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Wow. Nancy predicting quakes in a known earthquake fault zone and sinkholes in an area that has always had them. Amazing! NOT!!

Back in the early 2000's she said that earthquakes would increase in frequency and strength. The word she used to describe the increase was "exponential". If she had been right about that, the earth by now would be constantly shaking with magnitudes off the Richter scale. Of course back when she first made those earth shaking predictions, planet x was supposed to show up in 2003 and cause the pole shift. As we all know, that didn't happen, and she had to scramble to mollify her followers, and the Great White Lie was born. Then she came out with the "2012 is too far out" prediction, which again failed.

Nancy is really good at trolling the net for cherry picked news items which she then contorts to come up with her zetatalk bullshit. Since she has no grounding in astronomy, geology, chemistry, or any other science, she always gets it wrong. All she has is excuses for her failures, conspiracy theories and "spiritual" garbage borrowed from the likes of Ashtar Command to keep her little scam going.

The one thing she should have learned and adopted from the Ashtar Command is the "pray it away" clause. Those dudes have been predicting imminent earth changes, ascension and evacuation of the worthy since the late 50's, and they manage to keep a following (which has splintered over the years into different factions that battle amongst themselves for woo woo supremacy) because they tell their believers that if they do enough to raise awareness and their "vibration" they can help stave off the doom, thus making them feel important and special.
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Actually, in the late 90s, Nancy was saying that earthquakes had already increased "dramatically". Yes, she cherry-picked narrow windows of stats to "prove" that had happened.
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I have a question for you guys, about some of the earth changes and zetatalk.

What do you guys think is the cause of phenomenom such as the Kiev trumpets most of which I believe are unexplained..

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Well, the earth sounds or the Kiev trumpets are a well-known internet hoax. We talked about it long time ago. These so called earth sounds were made with some modern keyboards or modern songs/ sounds added to some odd youtube-clips. You only will find bad internet jokes there. Others even took parts of well-known music clips. I don`t know the name of the bands anymore, but it was a running gag. I will try to look it up at the weekend. When you buy a good modern keyboard you can make your own earth sounds: no problem. They are all fake. If you wanted to fool people you should at least eliminate the background sounds.

But this hoax wasn`t published by Nancy Liar, she just believed it and her non-existing Zetas announced it. If Nancy LIEDer the crazy old scammer touches a topic it will end up in an epic fail.

The so called Kiev hoax is another good example to prove how weird cults like Nancytalk work. They are out there to get and fool the gullible. And if you find enough idiots you will have no problem to tell them your story. They will believe everything. But in the end the Kiev trumpets are far more real than the other hoax Nancy Liar calls Nobeeryou. At least lenseflares make no strange sounds.

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I have a question for you guys, about some of the earth changes and zetatalk.

What do you guys think is the cause of phenomenom such as the Kiev trumpets most of which I believe are unexplained..

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Well, the earth sounds or the Kiev trumpets are a well-known internet hoax. We talked about it long time ago. These so called earth sounds were made with some modern keyboards or modern songs/ sounds added to some odd youtube-clips. You only will find bad internet jokes there. Others even took parts of well-known music clips. I don`t know the name of the bands anymore, but it was a running gag. I will try to look it up at the weekend. When you buy a good modern keyboard you can make your own earth sounds: no problem. They are all fake. If you wanted to fool people you should at least eliminate the background sounds.

But this hoax wasn`t published by Nancy Liar, she just believed it and her non-existing Zetas announced it. If Nancy LIEDer the crazy old scammer touches a topic it will end up in an epic fail.

The so called Kiev hoax is another good example to prove how weird cults like Nancytalk work. They are out there to get and fool the gullible. And if you find enough idiots you will have no problem to tell them your story. They will believe everything. But in the end the Kiev trumpets are far more real than the other hoax Nancy Liar calls Nobeeryou. At least lenseflares make no strange sounds.

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Yes, and it seems no hoax ever dies on the internet, because they just get repeated over and over as new people get exposed to them. Forever...
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But I wonder if an extraterrestrial body could interfere with the magnetic coer and hence cause additional stresses on the plates?? It is possible as an explanation, worthy of some consideration, but still, the jury is out on that one.

New article is interesting about new subduction zone in Spain. [link to www.livescience.com]

"A budding subduction zone offshore of Spain heralds the start of a new cycle that will one day pull the Atlantic Ocean seafloor into the bowels of the Earth, a new study suggests."

**note.. Not endorsing zetatalk.. Just curious as any earth scientist would be**

SOZT
Yes, there is movement in the Straits of Gibraltar, but the reasons these scientists surmise is hardly the cause. It is clear from the pattern of Continental Drift
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
that the African Plate is floating away from the Eurasian Plate. Why would it move in the other direction when the Ring of Fire is compressing and the Atlantic pulling apart! The African Rift Zone is increasing regularly, as current volcanic activity shows. Of course there were great earthquakes along the Mediterranean in the recent past, because the edges of the plates are not smooth so jolting occurs during any rolling of the African Plate.

Why are these scientists then drumming on the word SUBDUCTION to explain why Gibraltar is likely to stretch? Subduction implies being pushed TOGETHER. We have stressed that many people simply cannot face the trauma that the Earth has suffered in her recent past, every 3,600 years as her geology shows. The concept of crustal shifts is simply too frightening, so they refuse to consider this. Here once again we have scientists behaving illogically. In no way is the SPREADING of Gibraltar, here predicted by these scientists, caused by a subduction. To conclude this is illogical.
EOZT

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I haven’t been following this thread or ZetaTalk for a couple years so correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the “Straits of Gibraltar” supposed to be stretched by some 30 miles or so in 2012?

As for her attempts at explaining things in scientific terms, the problem is more often than not Nancy is “not even wrong”. If you are not sure about what I mean, please google that phrase.

In other words it is often difficult to discuss (falsify) scientifically ideas that are literlly made-up (not clearly defined or imaginary). For example, I just saw someone post something about her mention of "moon swirls". I have never heard this term before, but my guess is Nancy saw some type of swirling pattern in an image and decided to create her own term and then attribute that to Planet X. I'm not familiar with the "moon swirl" story so please feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
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AC, maybe you will be the first to show us evidence of this 3600 year geological cycle. Nancy always refers to "evidence" of this, but nobody has been able to present evidence from reputable scientific sources, just links to more zetatalk or other woo woo sites. Come on. Make my day and change my mind about it by pointing me to real evidence of this cycle.
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I'm not here to argue my case to you, or to any one as I do not have a case. I'm just hear to cut through my own biases and understand what is going on.

Reputable sources: Immanuel Velikovsky..... nuff said.. This has been rehashed over and over with no consensus. If my attempt at understanding bothers you, just let me know
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I have a question for you guys, about some of the earth changes and zetatalk.

What do you guys think is the cause of phenomenom such as the Kiev trumpets most of which I believe are unexplained..

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41885000


Well, the earth sounds or the Kiev trumpets are a well-known internet hoax. We talked about it long time ago. These so called earth sounds were made with some modern keyboards or modern songs/ sounds added to some odd youtube-clips. You only will find bad internet jokes there. Others even took parts of well-known music clips. I don`t know the name of the bands anymore, but it was a running gag. I will try to look it up at the weekend. When you buy a good modern keyboard you can make your own earth sounds: no problem. They are all fake. If you wanted to fool people you should at least eliminate the background sounds.

But this hoax wasn`t published by Nancy Liar, she just believed it and her non-existing Zetas announced it. If Nancy LIEDer the crazy old scammer touches a topic it will end up in an epic fail.

The so called Kiev hoax is another good example to prove how weird cults like Nancytalk work. They are out there to get and fool the gullible. And if you find enough idiots you will have no problem to tell them your story. They will believe everything. But in the end the Kiev trumpets are far more real than the other hoax Nancy Liar calls Nobeeryou. At least lenseflares make no strange sounds.

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Hmmmmm I guess I would really like for it to be a hoax..

The fundamental christian vibe of the "infidel report" video seemed a bit whacko.... even for me.. No offense dude. But the bird call part at the end was convincing. I would not declare this debunked personally until I listened to each video my self, but thanks for posting that.

I can see you get very angry when you talk about Nancy and the *very* small group at the ning. I wouldn't worry so much bro, it ain't no biggie that you have to get all worked up about ya know? Just try chill, to be fair the fundamental christian video you posted was much more insane (and those beliefs are far worse existential drugs as well as promoting violence and intolerance).. I would much more worried about that particular christian cult than zetatalk, which in comparison is harmless.

Haha, and yes, at least lens flares make no strange sounds!!!

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