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Thread: WARNING: SOLAR DATA PAGE COMPLETELY CENSORED,DATA ON OTHER SOURCES BEING FABRICATED! (Page 541)

Next update should be in December, for IDW/A.A's *next* dramatic failure...
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Jesus. With so much data you could compile statistics that would actually have some significant relevancy.
Something in percentages (looks like in the range of 95/5 (fail/win) and 100% fail in the case of IDW) and then make a posting to remember the users of GLP on the "quantity and qualities" of this site.

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Thread: There Is Something Seriously Wrong With The Full Moon

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Now they've got a new thing to obsess over on the ning. Howard, following in the footsteps of Kojima, is comparing bing and google map satellite images and maps and claiming that it shows plate shifting.

Have they ever considered the fact that there are inaccuracies in the maps?
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why not putting your own research results on your website?
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Still don't have the time to dedicate to it at the moment. It would take more than just a few minutes here and a few minutes there.

Still got 49 engineering drawings to convert to block diagrams plus the regular job to do. The engineering drawings are for a rather large Airbus.
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Nice thread.
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Off to Paris for a short break tomorrow.....can't wait! Laters peeps, time to pack :)) xx
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Enjoy Paris.

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I've been quite a few times, love the romance, ambience, architecture & history :)) j'adore La France et les francais.
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Haven't been there in a while - last couple of companies I worked for either did contract work for Dassault or were Dassault...so I got to go there a few times on the company dime.

Of course, I always found free time just to wander around Paris.
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Now they've got a new thing to obsess over on the ning. Howard, following in the footsteps of Kojima, is comparing bing and google map satellite images and maps and claiming that it shows plate shifting.

Have they ever considered the fact that there are inaccuracies in the maps?
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Now they've got a new thing to obsess over on the ning. Howard, following in the footsteps of Kojima, is comparing bing and google map satellite images and maps and claiming that it shows plate shifting.

Have they ever considered the fact that there are inaccuracies in the maps?
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Don't confuse them with facts and logic.
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shill
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Now they've got a new thing to obsess over on the ning. Howard, following in the footsteps of Kojima, is comparing bing and google map satellite images and maps and claiming that it shows plate shifting.

Have they ever considered the fact that there are inaccuracies in the maps?
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Don't confuse them with facts and logic.
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shill
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You're giving a Shill alert on the Debunker thread? Aren't we shills by *definition* with you (despite being right about all the stuff *we* predict)?
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Now they've got a new thing to obsess over on the ning. Howard, following in the footsteps of Kojima, is comparing bing and google map satellite images and maps and claiming that it shows plate shifting.

Have they ever considered the fact that there are inaccuracies in the maps?
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Don't confuse them with facts and logic.
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shill
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You're giving a Shill alert on the Debunker thread? Aren't we shills by *definition* with you (despite being right about all the stuff *we* predict)?
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S/he is making sure that everyone knows what s/he is by using the "shill alert" logo. same as graffiti artist uses a certain symbol to say they were here.
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Sorry had to bring this up......pigchef


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You can always be sure someone will start a thread like this around the solstice. It happens every year since I started coming to this site. It's a GLP tradition.
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Yup. And anyone who explains it is a "shill."
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Well, I guess the kooks did something bad enough to get the entire thread deleted. Frankly, I'm not surprised, a couple of them were becoming increasingly unhinged and angry at me. Oh well, I went ahead and made my own thread about the subject...
Thread: Solstice sunrise - the sun rose where it should have!
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Sorry had to bring this up......pigchef


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You can always be sure someone will start a thread like this around the solstice. It happens every year since I started coming to this site. It's a GLP tradition.
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Yup. And anyone who explains it is a "shill."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well, I guess the kooks did something bad enough to get the entire thread deleted. Frankly, I'm not surprised, a couple of them were becoming increasingly unhinged and angry at me. Oh well, I went ahead and made my own thread about the subject...
Thread: Solstice sunrise - the sun rose where it should have!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

The idiotic OP (Ressurrector) posted more than 180 times in a row something like "GLP defeated".

Not a paying member any more - guess he has some free time.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Sorry had to bring this up......pigchef


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You can always be sure someone will start a thread like this around the solstice. It happens every year since I started coming to this site. It's a GLP tradition.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Yup. And anyone who explains it is a "shill."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well, I guess the kooks did something bad enough to get the entire thread deleted. Frankly, I'm not surprised, a couple of them were becoming increasingly unhinged and angry at me. Oh well, I went ahead and made my own thread about the subject...
Thread: Solstice sunrise - the sun rose where it should have!
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Sorry had to bring this up......pigchef


[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


You can always be sure someone will start a thread like this around the solstice. It happens every year since I started coming to this site. It's a GLP tradition.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Yup. And anyone who explains it is a "shill."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well, I guess the kooks did something bad enough to get the entire thread deleted. Frankly, I'm not surprised, a couple of them were becoming increasingly unhinged and angry at me. Oh well, I went ahead and made my own thread about the subject...
Thread: Solstice sunrise - the sun rose where it should have!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Yeah. The posters in that thread were quite abusive. That's why I started trolling after page 20. I didn't really care for that thread anymore.
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I'm a bit sorry to see that thread go -- I was having a bit of fun being the Great and Powerful 74444 -- Prime Mover of the Sun. But if the OP was spamming his own thread, then I am quite convinced he *wanted* to get it taken down. Perhaps he'd become a bit too embarrassed about his more absurd claims, or the ease of observations to the contrary.
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You can always be sure someone will start a thread like this around the solstice. It happens every year since I started coming to this site. It's a GLP tradition.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385

Yup. And anyone who explains it is a "shill."
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Well, I guess the kooks did something bad enough to get the entire thread deleted. Frankly, I'm not surprised, a couple of them were becoming increasingly unhinged and angry at me. Oh well, I went ahead and made my own thread about the subject...
Thread: Solstice sunrise - the sun rose where it should have!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

The idiotic OP (Ressurrector) posted more than 180 times in a row something like "GLP defeated".

Not a paying member any more - guess he has some free time.

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LOL, that's even more unhinged than I saw him when I last looked at the thread. That certainly explains it, sounds quite well-deserved to me. While I will miss the thread... all's well that ends well.
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I'm a bit sorry to see that thread go -- I was having a bit of fun being the Great and Powerful 74444 -- Prime Mover of the Sun.
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Heh, I was even going to repeat my observation just to show that you were indeed moving the sun south, and then maybe whip up some primitive "monument" in your honor for saving us northerners from an eternal summer.
But if the OP was spamming his own thread, then I am quite convinced he *wanted* to get it taken down. Perhaps he'd become a bit too embarrassed about his more absurd claims, or the ease of observations to the contrary.
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I'm a bit sorry to see that thread go -- I was having a bit of fun being the Great and Powerful 74444 -- Prime Mover of the Sun.
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Heh, I was even going to repeat my observation just to show that you were indeed moving the sun south, and then maybe whip up some primitive "monument" in your honor for saving us northerners from an eternal summer.
But if the OP was spamming his own thread, then I am quite convinced he *wanted* to get it taken down. Perhaps he'd become a bit too embarrassed about his more absurd claims, or the ease of observations to the contrary.
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:dogagree:
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Awwwwwwwww make the monument anyway so the suntards can worship

worship 7
worship 4
worship 4
worship 4
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LOL OMG

NANCY LIEDER AND RUSSIAN TV COLLAB...


Haha sorry guys thats so freaking sweet!!! Hahah what u have always wanted... Media exposure.

"Nancy will be on the Delo X show on Russian TV on June 26, 2013 at 12:50 Moscow Time discussing visitations and hybrid babies. In Russian except for Nancy's portion. Archive will be available. Nancy was also featured on Ren TV on January 3, 2013. In Russian." - Pinned on the ning

Haha, I for one am happy for Nancy, the hybridization idea always intrigued me.

I would absolutely love to see Larry King interview Nancy Lieder, but that would be too good too be true.
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I'm a bit sorry to see that thread go -- I was having a bit of fun being the Great and Powerful 74444 -- Prime Mover of the Sun.
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Heh, I was even going to repeat my observation just to show that you were indeed moving the sun south, and then maybe whip up some primitive "monument" in your honor for saving us northerners from an eternal summer.
But if the OP was spamming his own thread, then I am quite convinced he *wanted* to get it taken down. Perhaps he'd become a bit too embarrassed about his more absurd claims, or the ease of observations to the contrary.
 Quoting: 74444

dogagree
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Awwwwwwwww make the monument anyway so the suntards can worship

worship 7
worship 4
worship 4
worship 4
worship 4
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LOL. Thank you, both. That made my day.
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No need to warn us that you're a shill. We know.
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LOL OMG

NANCY LIEDER AND RUSSIAN TV COLLAB...


Haha sorry guys thats so freaking sweet!!! Hahah what u have always wanted... Media exposure.

"Nancy will be on the Delo X show on Russian TV on June 26, 2013 at 12:50 Moscow Time discussing visitations and hybrid babies. In Russian except for Nancy's portion. Archive will be available. Nancy was also featured on Ren TV on January 3, 2013. In Russian." - Pinned on the ning

Haha, I for one am happy for Nancy, the hybridization idea always intrigued me.

I would absolutely love to see Larry King interview Nancy Lieder, but that would be too good too be true.
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Larry King interviewing Nancy?
lol! In her dreams maybe..

You don't ask yourself why they "only" discuss hybrids and visitations?

I'll give you a tip:
Even if Nancy were on Fox-News or any other Mainstream-media - it would still not change the facts that:

- Earth is not halted in its Orbit,
- a 7/10 never happened and there are is no evidence it ever will,
- there's no evidence of Planet X or crustal shifts,
- etc. etc.

So basically they will be speculating and it wouldn't be unusual for media-outlets to pick up on such whackos - because, well, they are entertaining and allow people to phantasize.

Did you never saw "Ghosts" or other "paranormal stuff" to be discussed on TV?

Nancy is still a nobody (and probably will always be) and not really making any difference world-wide, despite her alleged connections to "mighty aliens".

So yeah.. for the believers it might be a highlight, but for us its merely non-sensial. - Or at least for me, because the only "insights" you will get there, are Nancy's phantasies..

Hybrids and Visitations - it probably couldn't get any more intagible..

Interesting would be to invite Nancy to be confronted with scientists.
That would be truely interesting because there you would actually see how her theories can stand critique - which is not at all.

And thats why, she will talk about her colored phantasies rather than talking about anything concrete.

I don't need to listen to her phantasy anymore...but if she names anything concrete - I welcome anyone to bring it up so we can debunk the shit for what it is.

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She won`t say anything concrete, because it would fail.

She`s an old scammer and as you`ve said sometimes the media are picking out some wackos and maddleheads to make their jokes with them. Nobody will take that serious, as it`s only for entertaining and mocking these wackos.

The people want to lean back, drink their beer and say, hey who`s that crazy old scumbag babbling BS ...

I bet it`s a kind of b-movie-entertainment or a kind of comedy show ...

Nancy`s nonsense would be a comedy but dangerous for the gullible and with the abusive tendencies of a cult or sect.
At least for people who can think normally it will be a great comedy ...
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She won`t say anything concrete, because it would fail.

She`s an old scammer and as you`ve said sometimes the media are picking out some wackos and maddleheads to make their jokes with them. Nobody will take that serious, as it`s only for entertaining and mocking these wackos.

The people want to lean back, drink their beer and say, hey who`s that crazy old scumbag babbling BS ...

I bet it`s a kind of b-movie-entertainment or a kind of comedy show ...

Nancy`s nonsense would be a comedy but dangerous for the gullible and with the abusive tendencies of a cult or sect.
At least for people who can think normally it will be a great comedy ...

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Ditto. And because there are a lot of gullible people watching TV - and because Nancy constructed her theories in such a deceptive way (including her faked appearance of that granny who could never lie) - AND because giving a one-sided opinion is further misleading people, Nancy should not even get an appearance on farest outlandish-backland-local Newspaper.

But then? There's BS all over the TV anyway.. beside I heared from "Delo X" for the first time when AC brought it up..

Delo X and Planet X... they make a good team for sure.
cool2 ahh folks... entertainment these days..
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Interesting would be to invite Nancy to be confronted with scientists.

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Nope... been done before. It's impossible to win because Nancy has way too much BS compiled in one place to ever dissassemble it in any short interview. AND... the basic response which comes to the lips of any scientist is that it's utter nonsense.... because it IS. Problem is, that gives Nancy the 'out' of claiming that the scientists don't have any real answers or are "scared of the message" and such. It is of major importance that Nancy's claims ARE so ridiculous, but that you have to know some science to see through them. It invites lots of insults which can be spun into a claim that there is an organized opposition to her story. Again... it is the conspiracy aspect which is most important.
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She won`t say anything concrete, because it would fail.


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Yes, but there is really nothing Nancy could say which she couldn't figure a way out of... a "spin" to explain it away. It just goes to show how language can be so easily manipulated to distort reality.
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Interesting would be to invite Nancy to be confronted with scientists.

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Nope... been done before. It's impossible to win because Nancy has way too much BS compiled in one place to ever dissassemble it in any short interview. AND... the basic response which comes to the lips of any scientist is that it's utter nonsense.... because it IS. Problem is, that gives Nancy the 'out' of claiming that the scientists don't have any real answers or are "scared of the message" and such. It is of major importance that Nancy's claims ARE so ridiculous, but that you have to know some science to see through them. It invites lots of insults which can be spun into a claim that there is an organized opposition to her story. Again... it is the conspiracy aspect which is most important.
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Spot on Menow!
You're right.. although I still think a discussion with scientists could take place...
(I imagine a confrontation "live" on TV... not on Usenet or some chatroom. )

Nancy of course can find a way around every statement, BUT, the lenghts she would have to go in order to, for example, talk around the fact that Gibraltar is closening instead of widening - would be very obvious to many people as to who is trying to evade being precise.

Scientists could offer tons of data,
Nancy could offer claims of a cover-up and simulated whatever.

Yes some people would choose Nancy over the scientist but that is, because as you said, due to the conspiracy aspect aka. a psychosomatic issue.

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Interesting would be to invite Nancy to be confronted with scientists.

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Nope... been done before. It's impossible to win because Nancy has way too much BS compiled in one place to ever dissassemble it in any short interview. AND... the basic response which comes to the lips of any scientist is that it's utter nonsense.... because it IS. Problem is, that gives Nancy the 'out' of claiming that the scientists don't have any real answers or are "scared of the message" and such. It is of major importance that Nancy's claims ARE so ridiculous, but that you have to know some science to see through them. It invites lots of insults which can be spun into a claim that there is an organized opposition to her story. Again... it is the conspiracy aspect which is most important.
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Spot on Menow!
You're right.. although I still think a discussion with scientists could take place...
(I imagine a confrontation "live" on TV... not on Usenet or some chatroom. )

Nancy of course can find a way around every statement, BUT, the lenghts she would have to go in order to, for example, talk around the fact that Gibraltar is closening instead of widening - would be very obvious to many people as to who is trying to evade being precise.

Scientists could offer tons of data,
Nancy could offer claims of a cover-up and simulated whatever.

Yes some people would choose Nancy over the scientist but that is, because as you said, due to the conspiracy aspect aka. a psychosomatic issue.
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I envision what an interesting experience it would be to have Nancy and some of her closest followers in person at my telescope on a nice clear evening with plenty of planets and the moon available to view. Hap made a similar offer to Nancy, very generously, and of course she never took him up on it and never would, even acting like such an offer was never made.

I would love to see her try to explain to her followers how it is that earth is halted in its orbit when in fact the planets' positions relative to the stars are perfectly consistent with where they're predicted to be given earth's orbit as well as the planets' orbits.

Of course it will go back to the conspiracy angle; the planetarium software part of the cover-up, my telescope's software is part of the cover-up, etc. but then I whip out decades old books, some even older, showing how to calculate their positions using analytical methods that are right there in print, showing that those calculations agree with the current positions of the planets right then and there. Of course they'd still chalk it up to some "conspiracy" involving me, it'd be some "trick" in their minds, but it might just instill enough cognitive dissonance that they have difficulty completely resolving it just by growing the conspiracy in their minds.

And that is why Nancy would never agree to such a confrontation.
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Interesting would be to invite Nancy to be confronted with scientists.

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Nope... been done before. It's impossible to win because Nancy has way too much BS compiled in one place to ever dissassemble it in any short interview. AND... the basic response which comes to the lips of any scientist is that it's utter nonsense.... because it IS. Problem is, that gives Nancy the 'out' of claiming that the scientists don't have any real answers or are "scared of the message" and such. It is of major importance that Nancy's claims ARE so ridiculous, but that you have to know some science to see through them. It invites lots of insults which can be spun into a claim that there is an organized opposition to her story. Again... it is the conspiracy aspect which is most important.
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Spot on Menow!
You're right.. although I still think a discussion with scientists could take place...
(I imagine a confrontation "live" on TV... not on Usenet or some chatroom. )

Nancy of course can find a way around every statement, BUT, the lenghts she would have to go in order to, for example, talk around the fact that Gibraltar is closening instead of widening - would be very obvious to many people as to who is trying to evade being precise.

Scientists could offer tons of data,
Nancy could offer claims of a cover-up and simulated whatever.

Yes some people would choose Nancy over the scientist but that is, because as you said, due to the conspiracy aspect aka. a psychosomatic issue.
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Nope. Anything presented would just fall under a blanket denial that they are just part of the conspiracy. Look what she has done to Phil Plait.
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Interesting would be to invite Nancy to be confronted with scientists.

 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Nope... been done before. It's impossible to win because Nancy has way too much BS compiled in one place to ever dissassemble it in any short interview. AND... the basic response which comes to the lips of any scientist is that it's utter nonsense.... because it IS. Problem is, that gives Nancy the 'out' of claiming that the scientists don't have any real answers or are "scared of the message" and such. It is of major importance that Nancy's claims ARE so ridiculous, but that you have to know some science to see through them. It invites lots of insults which can be spun into a claim that there is an organized opposition to her story. Again... it is the conspiracy aspect which is most important.
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Spot on Menow!
You're right.. although I still think a discussion with scientists could take place...
(I imagine a confrontation "live" on TV... not on Usenet or some chatroom. )

Nancy of course can find a way around every statement, BUT, the lenghts she would have to go in order to, for example, talk around the fact that Gibraltar is closening instead of widening - would be very obvious to many people as to who is trying to evade being precise.

Scientists could offer tons of data,
Nancy could offer claims of a cover-up and simulated whatever.

Yes some people would choose Nancy over the scientist but that is, because as you said, due to the conspiracy aspect aka. a psychosomatic issue.
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I envision what an interesting experience it would be to have Nancy and some of her closest followers in person at my telescope on a nice clear evening with plenty of planets and the moon available to view. Hap made a similar offer to Nancy, very generously, and of course she never took him up on it and never would, even acting like such an offer was never made.

I would love to see her try to explain to her followers how it is that earth is halted in its orbit when in fact the planets' positions relative to the stars are perfectly consistent with where they're predicted to be given earth's orbit as well as the planets' orbits.

Of course it will go back to the conspiracy angle; the planetarium software part of the cover-up, my telescope's software is part of the cover-up, etc. but then I whip out decades old books, some even older, showing how to calculate their positions using analytical methods that are right there in print, showing that those calculations agree with the current positions of the planets right then and there. Of course they'd still chalk it up to some "conspiracy" involving me, it'd be some "trick" in their minds, but it might just instill enough cognitive dissonance that they have difficulty completely resolving it just by growing the conspiracy in their minds.

And that is why Nancy would never agree to such a confrontation.
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It all comes down to whether an individual can understand the explanations of why Nancy is wrong. Do they have the background for it? Do they even CARE about any valid scientific explanation?

She isn't trolling for the educated or those with good critical thinking or science skills.
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Interesting would be to invite Nancy to be confronted with scientists.

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Nope... been done before. It's impossible to win because Nancy has way too much BS compiled in one place to ever dissassemble it in any short interview. AND... the basic response which comes to the lips of any scientist is that it's utter nonsense.... because it IS. Problem is, that gives Nancy the 'out' of claiming that the scientists don't have any real answers or are "scared of the message" and such. It is of major importance that Nancy's claims ARE so ridiculous, but that you have to know some science to see through them. It invites lots of insults which can be spun into a claim that there is an organized opposition to her story. Again... it is the conspiracy aspect which is most important.
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


Spot on Menow!
You're right.. although I still think a discussion with scientists could take place...
(I imagine a confrontation "live" on TV... not on Usenet or some chatroom. )

Nancy of course can find a way around every statement, BUT, the lenghts she would have to go in order to, for example, talk around the fact that Gibraltar is closening instead of widening - would be very obvious to many people as to who is trying to evade being precise.

Scientists could offer tons of data,
Nancy could offer claims of a cover-up and simulated whatever.

Yes some people would choose Nancy over the scientist but that is, because as you said, due to the conspiracy aspect aka. a psychosomatic issue.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


I envision what an interesting experience it would be to have Nancy and some of her closest followers in person at my telescope on a nice clear evening with plenty of planets and the moon available to view. Hap made a similar offer to Nancy, very generously, and of course she never took him up on it and never would, even acting like such an offer was never made.

I would love to see her try to explain to her followers how it is that earth is halted in its orbit when in fact the planets' positions relative to the stars are perfectly consistent with where they're predicted to be given earth's orbit as well as the planets' orbits.

Of course it will go back to the conspiracy angle; the planetarium software part of the cover-up, my telescope's software is part of the cover-up, etc. but then I whip out decades old books, some even older, showing how to calculate their positions using analytical methods that are right there in print, showing that those calculations agree with the current positions of the planets right then and there. Of course they'd still chalk it up to some "conspiracy" involving me, it'd be some "trick" in their minds, but it might just instill enough cognitive dissonance that they have difficulty completely resolving it just by growing the conspiracy in their minds.

And that is why Nancy would never agree to such a confrontation.
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Wait......no it's a TRAP

How would she explain the penis plugs to all those guys?
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
It all comes down to whether an individual can understand the explanations of why Nancy is wrong. Do they have the background for it? Do they even CARE about any valid scientific explanation?

She isn't trolling for the educated or those with good critical thinking or science skills.
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


I was going to say this, yes..
Many people are (to put it in simple terms) lazy folks who feel comfortable relying on others who do their thinking.

But to bring in Dr.Astros example to elaborate my point: There are things that can be understood without any (special) education.

If Nancy claims HaleBopp was a supernova and you'd have the possibility to let a believer track the comet for several days, WITH HIS OWN EYES, he will either agree to the fact it is a comet or he'll, as you said, fall under a deep blanket of denial.

Surely denial can be rampant.. but its not impossible to break it either.
Take me, who was a fervent believer until I started to notice increasing inconsistencies in my belief, topped by so obvious confirmation (as the visual confirmation during the "Maria-BlackOps-BS" for example).

At some point the threshold becomes so obvious like it is currently with IDW:
You are faced with so much solid inaccuracies in your statements that you either just remain on your standpoint for the sake of maintaining your ego, or you actually admit that you've been wrong.

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