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Haha, ASTRO!!!


ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE MAN!!!

stop focusing on the conspiracy side of things and look at the positives.

@ astro DO you believe in Extra terrestrial saucers/ships in our atmosphere??

If you answer yes, then HOW did they get here and how important would that technology be in restoration and environmental fields??? As well as general well being for mankind??? Ya know.. the important shit!!

You know, any step towards expanding people awareness should be welcomed, not ridiculed... Only some sort of heartless psycho would wish to keep such info covered up, unless its too much for all the religious nut jobs to handle.

This video was really compelling, I dont understand this apparent camera artifact, perhaps with your infinite wisdom and infallible intelligence you could elucidate for me. (disclaimer: not saying it is planet x, am only keeping an open mind towards the idea as I know I will be attacked, so i admit my ignorance now)



Of course the real issue at hand is what we do personally as a part of our own individual journeys, not 'IS PLANET X REAL" which is really just a bit of an interesting topic to look at, though the debunkers twist honest interest into some kind of disease with their cunning ways (some times).
The research is legit (as im sure Harrington would attest to)

Dont be a hater astro, sorry that my ideas oppose yours!!! Can't we learn to get a long??
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Before the imminent arrival of PX in 2003 Nancy had a "debate" with Phil Plait on C2C. Classic Nancy Fail!! Here is a link to the transcript:
[link to cosmoquest.org]
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If you answer yes, then HOW did they get here and how important would that technology be in restoration and environmental fields??? As well as general well being for mankind??? Ya know.. the important shit!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42277914

There is no important shit to be had from Nancy's ramblings, only misleading and false woo-woo crap. But hey, I'm sure she'll bring the ratings, and that's all that matters, right?
You know, any step towards expanding people awareness should be welcomed, not ridiculed...
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Then stop ridiculing me.
This video was really compelling, I dont understand this apparent camera artifact, perhaps with your infinite wisdom and infallible intelligence you could elucidate for me.
(disclaimer: not saying it is planet x, am only keeping an open mind towards the idea as I know I will be attacked, so i admit my ignorance now)
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It's a lens flare.
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And IDW/A.A goes into *classic* meltdown mode -- obviously trying to emulate the guy who was mad at Astro and mad at me for moving the Sun properly...

Thread: REALTIVITY FINALLY DISQUALIFIED BY MAINSTREAM SCIENCE! BREAKING NEWS! (Page 34)

For *PAGES.*

I can only imagine what it could have been like raising him as a child, and telling him he was wrong about something. The tantrums must have been *epic.*
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Haha, ASTRO!!!


ALWAYS LOOK ON THE BRIGHT SIDE OF LIFE MAN!!!

stop focusing on the conspiracy side of things and look at the positives.

@ astro DO you believe in Extra terrestrial saucers/ships in our atmosphere??

If you answer yes, then HOW did they get here and how important would that technology be in restoration and environmental fields??? As well as general well being for mankind??? Ya know.. the important shit!!

You know, any step towards expanding people awareness should be welcomed, not ridiculed... Only some sort of heartless psycho would wish to keep such info covered up, unless its too much for all the religious nut jobs to handle.

This video was really compelling, I dont understand this apparent camera artifact, perhaps with your infinite wisdom and infallible intelligence you could elucidate for me. (disclaimer: not saying it is planet x, am only keeping an open mind towards the idea as I know I will be attacked, so i admit my ignorance now)



Of course the real issue at hand is what we do personally as a part of our own individual journeys, not 'IS PLANET X REAL" which is really just a bit of an interesting topic to look at, though the debunkers twist honest interest into some kind of disease with their cunning ways (some times).
The research is legit (as im sure Harrington would attest to)

Dont be a hater astro, sorry that my ideas oppose yours!!! Can't we learn to get a long??
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bump

Please prove thats a lens flare in the video.

It could be but where is the proof

bump
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Before the imminent arrival of PX in 2003 Nancy had a "debate" with Phil Plait on C2C. Classic Nancy Fail!! Here is a link to the transcript:
[link to cosmoquest.org]
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Ok, thanks for that Canada,

Should be mandatory reading for any believer of zetatalk.
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Before the imminent arrival of PX in 2003 Nancy had a "debate" with Phil Plait on C2C. Classic Nancy Fail!! Here is a link to the transcript:
[link to cosmoquest.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10422385


Ok, thanks for that Canada,

Should be mandatory reading for any believer of zetatalk.
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Yes it should be. It clearly shows that everything Nancy claimed on that show failed to materialize. Ten years later and she is still at it, still claiming 100% accuracy, and making excuses for her failures.
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While I'm not by any means defending Nancy.. Lol (as if thats a crime)

But operation planet x did take place during the same period of time when planet x was supposed to show up (per Nancy/Zetas)

Lol, coincidence? sure could be. Eye brow raising.. Yes

[link to en.wikipedia.org] =

"During Operation Iraqi Freedom, Operation Planet X was a US Army mechanized raid conducted on a village near Ad Dawr and Al Dur, 11 miles (18 km) north of Tikrit on the night of 15 May 2003 by elements of the 1st Brigade Combat Team, U.S. 4th Infantry Division and Task Force Ironhorse in search of Ba'ath party members and militants."

And response from zetas

We have explained that in order to fool the establishment, those members of the elite who would enslave mankind during the coming shift and turn the globe back into the Dark Ages of oppression and kingship rule, May 15 was selected because at this time Planet X was coming into view from the opposite side of the Sun, what astronomers term ‘in the Sun’, so that mankind on Earth was blinded in exacting determination, the Hubbell useless, the SOHO too narrow a view, and all probes sent forth for triangulation disabled by ourselves. This is supported by the May 15 admission by the US government: Operation TOPOFF involving 100 agencies initiated on May 12, operation Planet X in Iraq unfurled on May 15, and Homeland Security going to level Orange for two solid weeks after specific dates of May 20-27 were given by ZetaTalk on the Lou Gentile radio show.

NOT SAYING ANY OF THIS IS TRUE... JUST STATING WHAT WAS SAID
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no name: Now, we have a number of people who continue to e-mail me who are pretty darn concerned that, uh, we've only got a few weeks left, and that is one reason why I think it is so important that after so many years of, of this expected arrival that, uh, we get this kind of dialogue between you two on, one a real scientist, one someone who believes that she's been contacted by aliens from another civilization. I'm going to sorta like sit back and, and monitor for the next couple minutes a conversation between just you two, and you two are on the phone right now, so, uh, you know, if I think it's gonna get out of hand, I'm gonna jump in, but Philip and Nancy? I'd like the two of you to talk to each other.


lol what a fucking trip this shit is.

Like a goddamn sci-fi novel lol!!

Nancy has had a damn good run!! Does Phil Plait still talk about Zetatalk. Lol he should bring it up again. Give it a bit of publicity.
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no name: Now, we have a number of people who continue to e-mail me who are pretty darn concerned that, uh, we've only got a few weeks left, and that is one reason why I think it is so important that after so many years of, of this expected arrival that, uh, we get this kind of dialogue between you two on, one a real scientist, one someone who believes that she's been contacted by aliens from another civilization. I'm going to sorta like sit back and, and monitor for the next couple minutes a conversation between just you two, and you two are on the phone right now, so, uh, you know, if I think it's gonna get out of hand, I'm gonna jump in, but Philip and Nancy? I'd like the two of you to talk to each other.


lol what a fucking trip this shit is.

Like a goddamn sci-fi novel lol!!

Nancy has had a damn good run!! Does Phil Plait still talk about Zetatalk. Lol he should bring it up again. Give it a bit of publicity.
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It was LOL funny to listen to. Nancy made a fool of herself.
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While I'm not by any means defending Nancy.. Lol (as if thats a crime)

But operation planet x did take place during the same period of time when planet x was supposed to show up (per Nancy/Zetas)

Lol, coincidence? sure could be. Eye brow raising.. Yes

[link to en.wikipedia.org] =

"During Operation Iraqi Freedom, Operation Planet X was a US Army mechanized raid conducted on a village near Ad Dawr and Al Dur, 11 miles (18 km) north of Tikrit on the night of 15 May 2003 by elements of the 1st Brigade Combat Team, U.S. 4th Infantry Division and Task Force Ironhorse in search of Ba'ath party members and militants."

And response from zetas

We have explained that in order to fool the establishment, those members of the elite who would enslave mankind during the coming shift and turn the globe back into the Dark Ages of oppression and kingship rule, May 15 was selected because at this time Planet X was coming into view from the opposite side of the Sun, what astronomers term ‘in the Sun’, so that mankind on Earth was blinded in exacting determination, the Hubbell useless, the SOHO too narrow a view, and all probes sent forth for triangulation disabled by ourselves. This is supported by the May 15 admission by the US government: Operation TOPOFF involving 100 agencies initiated on May 12, operation Planet X in Iraq unfurled on May 15, and Homeland Security going to level Orange for two solid weeks after specific dates of May 20-27 were given by ZetaTalk on the Lou Gentile radio show.

NOT SAYING ANY OF THIS IS TRUE... JUST STATING WHAT WAS SAID
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42277914


It was true. There was an 'Operation Planet X' on May 15th, 2003.

However, Nancy had been *loudly* touting her message about May 15th for the longest time, so why *wouldn't* someone who had laughed at Zetatalk decide to do this? Of course, Nancy took that as verification (she takes *anything* as verification) and ran with it. I expect a midlevel military guy was merely having a bit of fun.
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It was LOL funny to listen to. Nancy made a fool of herself.
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Nancy always makes a fool of herself.
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It was true. There was an 'Operation Planet X' on May 15th, 2003.

However, Nancy had been *loudly* touting her message about May 15th for the longest time, so why *wouldn't* someone who had laughed at Zetatalk decide to do this? Of course, Nancy took that as verification (she takes *anything* as verification) and ran with it. I expect a midlevel military guy was merely having a bit of fun.
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I suspect as much as well. Besides, why would the military start an operation half way around the world on the day 90% of Earth's population was supposed to perish in a "pole shift"? Doesn't make much sense to have all your personnel and equipment in another country if it's all needed back stateside to implement Martial Law so people couldn't flee. Which brings up another point - Nancy claimed (and probably still does) that the U.S. government used ZetaTalk to gather information on when "Planet X" would cause the "pole shift" (as if they couldn't track some massive planet on their own). If this were true, they obviously weren't buying any of it. Which means the "white lie" didn't work. Based on what the "Zetas" said the government would do and what they actually did, the "white lie" was just another miserable failure. Not to mention that the U.S. invasion of Iraq wouldn't be successful in the first place.
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74444 - Your skills in moving the sun are needed:
Thread: sun rose a lot farther north on the horizon today

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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It was true. There was an 'Operation Planet X' on May 15th, 2003.

However, Nancy had been *loudly* touting her message about May 15th for the longest time, so why *wouldn't* someone who had laughed at Zetatalk decide to do this? Of course, Nancy took that as verification (she takes *anything* as verification) and ran with it. I expect a midlevel military guy was merely having a bit of fun.
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I suspect as much as well. Besides, why would the military start an operation half way around the world on the day 90% of Earth's population was supposed to perish in a "pole shift"? Doesn't make much sense to have all your personnel and equipment in another country if it's all needed back stateside to implement Martial Law so people couldn't flee. Which brings up another point - Nancy claimed (and probably still does) that the U.S. government used ZetaTalk to gather information on when "Planet X" would cause the "pole shift" (as if they couldn't track some massive planet on their own). If this were true, they obviously weren't buying any of it. Which means the "white lie" didn't work. Based on what the "Zetas" said the government would do and what they actually did, the "white lie" was just another miserable failure. Not to mention that the U.S. invasion of Iraq wouldn't be successful in the first place.
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Speaking of "failure" - at least Clif admits his:

As with most humans, i have failed at most things in my life.

What seems to set me apart from others, besides a curious lack of attachment to my 'identity', is that i count each failure as a personal badge of honor. Many of these badges are worn for all the world to see as scars and disfigurements. i would not have it otherwise; absent ego driven pride, satisfaction is the deepest of the core emotional states, just above love and fear. i am satisfied with my failures.

Are you satisfied with his failures too?
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74444 - Your skills in moving the sun are needed:
Thread: sun rose a lot farther north on the horizon today

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Wonderful. I'm going to propose an experiment on that thread right now.

Have a look and let me know what you think the Op's response will be. Should be interesting.
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Crazy Nanny always makes a fool of herself, but her gullible followers and cult victims don`t realize it.

So they LOL are making fools out of themselves too. But this mostly happens when you get a cult victim....

Nancy`s wackos are so LOLOLOLOLOL....but they dont realize it...like the crazy kiwi-wacko would say. Looks like the LOL-kiwi-wacko was too long in the sun or listend too long to Nancy`s crazy messages....this LOLOLOL...makes him like he is .....LOLOLOLOLOL....

Best evidence that cults are making stupid. Nancy`s only advantage might be that the people in the Russian freak show dont really understand the bullshit she`s spreading and think that old Ninny has her day off from her therapeutic institution.
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I doubt that Nancy Liar will appear live in this third-class show. They probably will add her as a funny factor via skype or a webcam. Stupid old cult leaders like Nancy LIEDer don`t like to travel or to face reality as it always contradicts their stupid theories.

Nobeeryou is and was a nogo. Everybody with some basic astronomic skills can easily explain you why the 2012-fools and some brainwashed cultist will always be waiting for nothing.

For 98 percent of the normal people with an addiction to conspiracy theories the Nobeeryou-saga more or less ended with 2012. The rest of the last few believers are mostly cultists or zealots who have lost every connection to reality.

When you are in a cult, your personality changes. You can see this clearly in the behavior of the weird kiwi idiot:
1.Fanaticism
2.Blind belief
3.More and more helpless quoting of weird conspiracy theories
4.Being brainwashed
5.Losing your mind
6.Giggling around and breaking down in helpless laughter in every second sentence
7.Madhouse
8.Running around with some old floppy disks and trying to make astronomic pictures with
9.Adding some gamma corrections to obviously crackbrained pics.

Here you see the classical career of a cultist until his final stage. Sometimes the symptoms can be a little bit different or become indistinct. So I doubt that a third-class Russian online-show will raise her popularity. Besides that she claimed in her last interview that this would be her last interview before the end of the world: classical cult failure of an old egocentric cult leader who is desperately looking for some attention of the gullible. So she was caught – like always – lying again.
Thread: This video is public. Zetatalk's Nancy Lieder's Last Interview Before "The End Of The World"

So in the end Nancy LIEDer only adds another funny story to her endless list of epic failures. And she was convicted of another lie, which definitely was no white lie.
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While I'm not by any means defending Nancy.. Lol (as if thats a crime)

NOT SAYING ANY OF THIS IS TRUE... JUST STATING WHAT WAS SAID
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Nobody implied it is a crime to defend Nancy, but if you can't stand critique this thread probably ain't the right place for you.

But why do you even care what others think? Even if you were defending her, it would be your very own decision to do so.

lol what a fucking trip this shit is.

Like a goddamn sci-fi novel lol!!

Nancy has had a damn good run!! Does Phil Plait still talk about Zetatalk. Lol he should bring it up again. Give it a bit of publicity.
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Want my honest opinion?
You seem to switch back and forth like an elastic spring.
One day you agree to the inconsistencies found, another day you come up with ZT to tell us where Nancy made a hit.

In my opinion, you are somewhere in between fully believing ZetaTalk or the whole thing being a hoax, while the whole battle goes on between your desires and reality back and forth.

What is holding you back?
Apparently, you've still not forgot what "causality" is, or at least you feel too insecure to solely relay upon your own interpretations (which is a positive sign btw).
Contrary, you seem to have those (all too familiar) bursts of desire to deal with the fascinating and uncommon - and so much of it rings true, so somehow it must be legit, right?
Nope!

I think what you need is sorting it out on your own. YOU need to go through some claims carefully, analyse them, and try to form an objective conclusion as far as possible.
This is a crucial point. You have to do it, because nobody of us or everyone else could ever be more convincing to you - than yourself (especially in this "hyperalerted" state of mind which Menow called "conspiracy-aspect").

If an Equation says 1 * 2 = 2398403002956290384, you will realize that is pretty unlikely to be true.
The equation surely won't be so obvious to you - unless you haven't done some work to lay it out.

Of course Nancy's claims are not math-equations but math is also just another abstract to describe relations between certain variables.

No break of the rules, unless you want to calculate stuff in the imaginary area.

At least in the reality that I live in now, there are no sudden breaks of "natural-laws" like Nancy wants to have her planet hidden in all physical manners, yet supposed to have physical impact on us.

You probably noticed Nancy often wants to have it in both ways:
- Earth is halted in its Orbit and Venus is off - Yet they are perfectly normal because they are "simulated" by the COW

- Earth is halted in its august-position, yet the stars indicate we're normally travelling on our path. (COW simulating the stars?)

- Sattelite images are being simulated - Yet they are used as proof whenever Poli finds new pixel-overloads.

- Ninnies 7/10 events are happening, yet invisible metal-boxes are preventing them from happening.

- PX supposed to hide next to the sun so nobody can go out now and make an image of it - yet alberto can find his flares every day.

You see, its pretty hard to have it both ways if you want to be consistent... BUT Nancy has an alternative for both ways!

Case A:
B: If you think we're halted and pX is real, you 1) have finally found the real cause of the problems and you don't need to deal with any conflict anymore because the COW is doing everything for you to be good 2) finally found the ultimate source of truth, Nancy Lieder, aka. Nancy Wiener aka. Zeta-fart to be your future (AND ONLY!) source of conclusion wether what is real and what is not - since if it doesn't correlate with your view it must be simulated or abberated by aliens 3) it would be appretiated if you lead more people towards the one and only source of conclusion, further contributing with your own money if you feel compelled to do, and if you ever change your mind about the Zeta-Reality - please silently gtfo without too much trouble and enjoy your next life on a waterworld.

Case B:

If you think we're not halted in our orbit or PX being a total hoax, it is because 1) the COW is simulating everything so you can't prove anyway 2) you are not considered mature enough to be allowed to see unsimulated reality 3) you are in deep denial and a paid debunker.


And now ask yourself if you really can afford to have it "both ways".

I don't like doom man,
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And I don't like astronomy.
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And I don't like geology. :)

I SENSE........ JEALOUSY!!!!

MUAHAHAHAHAH

joooooooookkkkeeesss...

astro nerd, don't take it so serious.... KIDDING, im sure you're not a nerd and if you were i would still love you any ways brother...

but for real, who cares... its good news!!! thought you'd be happy for Nancy, the russians will see through any lies haha so dont worry your pretty lil head over that, yo!

ALIEN DISCLOSURE IS THE BEST RESULT THAT COULD LEAK FROM RUSSIAN TV.. lol dont know why caps. Smell the coffee
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That wasn't really much of a wise statement, was it?

Alien Disclosure is just another of those claims that Nancy hijacked to raise public support.
Don't be fooled by her false assignments.
What has she done for alien disclosure?
She has not even properly investigated one UFO case. All she does is jumping existing bandwagons, spin it a bit and clap herself on the shoulders per the Zetas.

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74444 - Your skills in moving the sun are needed:
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Oh not again..........
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I just lost a long post about how conspiracy theories evolve and adapt to debunking. Suffice it to say that the theories evolve to the point where they are complex enough and have enough built-in excuses for the holes we point out in them, that they become impermeable to superficial examination by the ordinary person. If they are at all predisposed to belief in the conspiracy, they well never do the brain-work needed to see through the complexity which has developed in response to the debunking.
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I just lost a long post about how conspiracy theories evolve and adapt to debunking. Suffice it to say that the theories evolve to the point where they are complex enough and have enough built-in excuses for the holes we point out in them, that they become impermeable to superficial examination by the ordinary person. If they are at all predisposed to belief in the conspiracy, they well never do the brain-work needed to see through the complexity which has developed in response to the debunking.
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Nancy WINS!

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I just lost a long post about how conspiracy theories evolve and adapt to debunking. Suffice it to say that the theories evolve to the point where they are complex enough and have enough built-in excuses for the holes we point out in them, that they become impermeable to superficial examination by the ordinary person. If they are at all predisposed to belief in the conspiracy, they well never do the brain-work needed to see through the complexity which has developed in response to the debunking.
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Nancy WINS!

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WHAT she wins is the question...
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I just lost a long post about how conspiracy theories evolve and adapt to debunking. Suffice it to say that the theories evolve to the point where they are complex enough and have enough built-in excuses for the holes we point out in them, that they become impermeable to superficial examination by the ordinary person. If they are at all predisposed to belief in the conspiracy, they well never do the brain-work needed to see through the complexity which has developed in response to the debunking.
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Nancy WINS!

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What exactly did she win?
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I just lost a long post about how conspiracy theories evolve and adapt to debunking. Suffice it to say that the theories evolve to the point where they are complex enough and have enough built-in excuses for the holes we point out in them, that they become impermeable to superficial examination by the ordinary person. If they are at all predisposed to belief in the conspiracy, they well never do the brain-work needed to see through the complexity which has developed in response to the debunking.
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Nancy WINS!

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What exactly did she win?
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I just lost a long post about how conspiracy theories evolve and adapt to debunking. Suffice it to say that the theories evolve to the point where they are complex enough and have enough built-in excuses for the holes we point out in them, that they become impermeable to superficial examination by the ordinary person. If they are at all predisposed to belief in the conspiracy, they well never do the brain-work needed to see through the complexity which has developed in response to the debunking.
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Nancy WINS!

banana2
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What exactly did she win?
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#

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That sure fits in.
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While I'm not by any means defending Nancy.. Lol (as if thats a crime)

NOT SAYING ANY OF THIS IS TRUE... JUST STATING WHAT WAS SAID
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Nobody implied it is a crime to defend Nancy, but if you can't stand critique this thread probably ain't the right place for you.

But why do you even care what others think? Even if you were defending her, it would be your very own decision to do so.

lol what a fucking trip this shit is.

Like a goddamn sci-fi novel lol!!

Nancy has had a damn good run!! Does Phil Plait still talk about Zetatalk. Lol he should bring it up again. Give it a bit of publicity.
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Want my honest opinion?
You seem to switch back and forth like an elastic spring.
One day you agree to the inconsistencies found, another day you come up with ZT to tell us where Nancy made a hit.

In my opinion, you are somewhere in between fully believing ZetaTalk or the whole thing being a hoax, while the whole battle goes on between your desires and reality back and forth.

What is holding you back?
Apparently, you've still not forgot what "causality" is, or at least you feel too insecure to solely relay upon your own interpretations (which is a positive sign btw).
Contrary, you seem to have those (all too familiar) bursts of desire to deal with the fascinating and uncommon - and so much of it rings true, so somehow it must be legit, right?
Nope!

I think what you need is sorting it out on your own. YOU need to go through some claims carefully, analyse them, and try to form an objective conclusion as far as possible.
This is a crucial point. You have to do it, because nobody of us or everyone else could ever be more convincing to you - than yourself (especially in this "hyperalerted" state of mind which Menow called "conspiracy-aspect").

If an Equation says 1 * 2 = 2398403002956290384, you will realize that is pretty unlikely to be true.
The equation surely won't be so obvious to you - unless you haven't done some work to lay it out.

Of course Nancy's claims are not math-equations but math is also just another abstract to describe relations between certain variables.

No break of the rules, unless you want to calculate stuff in the imaginary area.

At least in the reality that I live in now, there are no sudden breaks of "natural-laws" like Nancy wants to have her planet hidden in all physical manners, yet supposed to have physical impact on us.

You probably noticed Nancy often wants to have it in both ways:
- Earth is halted in its Orbit and Venus is off - Yet they are perfectly normal because they are "simulated" by the COW

- Earth is halted in its august-position, yet the stars indicate we're normally travelling on our path. (COW simulating the stars?)

- Sattelite images are being simulated - Yet they are used as proof whenever Poli finds new pixel-overloads.

- Ninnies 7/10 events are happening, yet invisible metal-boxes are preventing them from happening.

- PX supposed to hide next to the sun so nobody can go out now and make an image of it - yet alberto can find his flares every day.

You see, its pretty hard to have it both ways if you want to be consistent... BUT Nancy has an alternative for both ways!

Case A:
B: If you think we're halted and pX is real, you 1) have finally found the real cause of the problems and you don't need to deal with any conflict anymore because the COW is doing everything for you to be good 2) finally found the ultimate source of truth, Nancy Lieder, aka. Nancy Wiener aka. Zeta-fart to be your future (AND ONLY!) source of conclusion wether what is real and what is not - since if it doesn't correlate with your view it must be simulated or abberated by aliens 3) it would be appretiated if you lead more people towards the one and only source of conclusion, further contributing with your own money if you feel compelled to do, and if you ever change your mind about the Zeta-Reality - please silently gtfo without too much trouble and enjoy your next life on a waterworld.

Case B:

If you think we're not halted in our orbit or PX being a total hoax, it is because 1) the COW is simulating everything so you can't prove anyway 2) you are not considered mature enough to be allowed to see unsimulated reality 3) you are in deep denial and a paid debunker.


And now ask yourself if you really can afford to have it "both ways".

I don't like doom man,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42277914

And I don't like astronomy.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


And I don't like geology. :)

I SENSE........ JEALOUSY!!!!

MUAHAHAHAHAH

joooooooookkkkeeesss...

astro nerd, don't take it so serious.... KIDDING, im sure you're not a nerd and if you were i would still love you any ways brother...

but for real, who cares... its good news!!! thought you'd be happy for Nancy, the russians will see through any lies haha so dont worry your pretty lil head over that, yo!

ALIEN DISCLOSURE IS THE BEST RESULT THAT COULD LEAK FROM RUSSIAN TV.. lol dont know why caps. Smell the coffee
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That wasn't really much of a wise statement, was it?

Alien Disclosure is just another of those claims that Nancy hijacked to raise public support.
Don't be fooled by her false assignments.
What has she done for alien disclosure?
She has not even properly investigated one UFO case. All she does is jumping existing bandwagons, spin it a bit and clap herself on the shoulders per the Zetas.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


All good points.

You see if it wasn't for the corroboration of whistle blowers such as Ann Eller and Robert Dean and contributions from Velikovsky and Sitchin and Hapgood and Harringtion I would have dismissed zetatalk long ago.

I've said before, I am very much on the fence, so I bring information here to run it through u lot.

Of course I get attacked and called a cult wierdo and all other sort of bullshit like from those complete freaks truther and the canadian ass hole starting with a V.

You guys take this shit way too serious if you ask me. Like, do you have jobs or do you work at glp you know?? It wasnt even zetatalk that I heard about the poleshift it was an Author with American Indian heritage who lives in Colorado, which got me looking into Edgar Cayce and wound up checking out zetatalk.

And please mate, don't judge me... Maybe you should change the name of your facebook page hey?? Isnt it "earth changes pole shift"??? Pretty much supporting earth changes??

Don't let all this negativity detract from the brother hood mankind should feel, it aint us vs them. Its just us.

Maybe you motherfuckers will get a dose of wake the fuck up one day, but until then enjoy your pitiful jobs at GLP, and remember it doesnt matter if the poles shift and 90% of the population dies... Because as my good friend, Macho Man, Randy Savage said.... The beat goes on!!
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74444 - Your skills in moving the sun are needed:
Thread: sun rose a lot farther north on the horizon today

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Oh not again..........
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Btw, that thread vanished.

It was too stupid.....
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That wasn't really much of a wise statement, was it?

Alien Disclosure is just another of those claims that Nancy hijacked to raise public support.
Don't be fooled by her false assignments.
What has she done for alien disclosure?
She has not even properly investigated one UFO case. All she does is jumping existing bandwagons, spin it a bit and clap herself on the shoulders per the Zetas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42345521


All good points.

You see if it wasn't for the corroboration of whistle blowers such as Ann Eller and Robert Dean and contributions from Velikovsky and Sitchin and Hapgood and Harringtion I would have dismissed zetatalk long ago.

I've said before, I am very much on the fence, so I bring information here to run it through u lot.

Of course I get attacked and called a cult wierdo and all other sort of bullshit like from those complete freaks truther and the canadian ass hole starting with a V.

You guys take this shit way too serious if you ask me. Like, do you have jobs or do you work at glp you know?? It wasnt even zetatalk that I heard about the poleshift it was an Author with American Indian heritage who lives in Colorado, which got me looking into Edgar Cayce and wound up checking out zetatalk.

And please mate, don't judge me... Maybe you should change the name of your facebook page hey?? Isnt it "earth changes pole shift"??? Pretty much supporting earth changes??

Don't let all this negativity detract from the brother hood mankind should feel, it aint us vs them. Its just us.

Maybe you motherfuckers will get a dose of wake the fuck up one day, but until then enjoy your pitiful jobs at GLP, and remember it doesnt matter if the poles shift and 90% of the population dies... Because as my good friend, Macho Man, Randy Savage said....

The beat goes on!!

Oh, yes, the baring goes on.....

and you will take it.

muahiuahua.....
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uhm - that quoting structure went wrong, must be a magnetic influence of nibiru to my keybaord....


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