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Property is theft.


I see you are very stupid. What would you say if the communist police will come right now and kick you out of your flat, taking all your property.
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I take it you're an atheist??



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>> They have given us covetousness, greed and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary and egomaniacal.

Indeed. And they are quite good at "harvesting" such emotions and energy. But if they are "intelligent" beings, then they will try to do two things - the same two things we do as well: satisfy todays "needs", and make whatever possible "arrangements" they can to provide for "tomorrow's" needs as well. In order to provide for our daily and future needs, most people who are not wealthy, have to make a "pact" with an "employer". Now, if an inidividual human being, possesses the "ability" to provide MORE energy to these beings than just his/her own "personal" energy - in other words, they can act as "agents" of these entities and assist them in acquiring the "energy" of others, performing deeds in the physcial world these entities, due to their discarnate limitations, cannot otherwise perform. Do you think they would "grant favors" to such individuals (assuming they can)???
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I understand what you mean, but I dont think those who act as "agents" do it concioussly ... they are just a playball in the hands of the predator, which is possibly not that inelligent, but more kind of "sneaky", like other parasites (phyical, like i heard there are infections in rats that make them rats being not afraid of cats. Cats carry these microbes without knowing it and provide them microbes with a place to live, without knowing it concioussly). But again, my knowledge is really too small in those topics, basically I am only repeating what I read and made sense to me.
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Indeed. And they are quite good at "harvesting" such emotions and energy. But if they are "intelligent" beings, then they will try to do two things - the same two things we do as well: satisfy todays "needs", and make whatever possible "arrangements" they can to provide for "tomorrow's" needs as well. In order to provide for our daily and future needs, most people who are not wealthy, have to make a "pact" with an "employer". Now, if an inidividual human being, possesses the "ability" to provide MORE energy to these beings than just his/her own "personal" energy - in other words, they can act as "agents" of these entities and assist them in acquiring the "energy" of others, performing deeds in the physcial world these entities, due to their discarnate limitations, cannot otherwise perform. Do you think they would "grant favors" to such individuals (assuming they can)???
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Yes, so Nancy is under the control of these 'Predators'?.

Good point ZM! At last you're starting to see through her!



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>> They have given us covetousness, greed and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary and egomaniacal.

Indeed. And they are quite good at "harvesting" such emotions and energy. But if they are "intelligent" beings, then they will try to do two things - the same two things we do as well: satisfy todays "needs", and make whatever possible "arrangements" they can to provide for "tomorrow's" needs as well. In order to provide for our daily and future needs, most people who are not wealthy, have to make a "pact" with an "employer". Now, if an inidividual human being, possesses the "ability" to provide MORE energy to these beings than just his/her own "personal" energy - in other words, they can act as "agents" of these entities and assist them in acquiring the "energy" of others, performing deeds in the physcial world these entities, due to their discarnate limitations, cannot otherwise perform. Do you think they would "grant favors" to such individuals (assuming they can)???


I understand what you mean, but I dont think those who act as "agents" do it concioussly ... they are just a playball in the hands of the predator, which is possibly not that inelligent, but more kind of "sneaky", like other parasites (phyical, like i heard there are infections in rats that make them rats being not afraid of cats. Cats carry these microbes without knowing it and provide them microbes with a place to live, without knowing it concioussly). But again, my knowledge is really too small in those topics, basically I am only repeating what I read and made sense to me.
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>> I dont think those who act as "agents" do it concioussly

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 09/20/2009 06:14 PM
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I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???
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I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!
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I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!
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Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 09/20/2009 06:20 PM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.
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Actually I don't. I think she's a witch, but in the non-mystical sense. I think she is a highly manipulative ego-centric borderline schizoid who likes writing bullshit to seeing how many people she can con with it.

This tends to be born out by the amount of crap she writes that never comes true.
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Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.


Actually I don't. I think she's a witch, but in the non-mystical sense. I think she is a highly manipulative ego-centric borderline schizoid who likes writing bullshit to seeing how many people she can con with it.

This tends to be born out by the amount of crap she writes that never comes true.
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Do you think Menow is a "fool" for thinking otherwise??? As for stuff "never" coming true, that is debunker billshit. They say the best disinformation is comprised of nine parts truth and one part lie. Of course, from the debunker perspective, the one part lie is a BIG one - the "halted earth".

But that aside, she knows an AWFUL LOT about a lot of topics, and can speak coherently if not always accurately about many of them - THAT IS QUITE A FEAT IN IT'S OWN RIGHT, and if you don't think so, try doing one of her chat's as an exercise and see how well YOU pull it off!!!

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 09/20/2009 06:29 PM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Well, Gerard... are you going to leave those two sky charts on your site and claim they are from one hour apart when they are clearly the exact SAME chart?


Sigh. Menow or should i say howmo. I checked it and they are different charts, one is from 11:00pm dutch time and the other one 11:59pm dutch time.

And this is the last time that i am going to answer this question.


Here's your page with your two charts, you insipid little twit!

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Both charts show the stars in the exact SAME positions.

Idiot!
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If the charts are one hour apart, they cannot show the stars in the same positions. There should be a 15 degree shift.
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Both charts show the stars in the exact SAME positions.
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They look the same to me. I'm still waiting for him to explain why videos and time lapse photography of the night sky don't show any wobble.
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Well, Gerard... are you going to leave those two sky charts on your site and claim they are from one hour apart when they are clearly the exact SAME chart?


Sigh. Menow or should i say howmo. I checked it and they are different charts, one is from 11:00pm dutch time and the other one 11:59pm dutch time.

And this is the last time that i am going to answer this question.


Here's your page with your two charts, you insipid little twit!

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Both charts show the stars in the exact SAME positions.

Idiot!


Cause there is no change in position. And these charts are from the heavens-above.com site.
But then again i remember your behaviour and you'r as obnoxious now as you where some years ago.
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There is no change in position of the sky over 59 minutes? What is wrong with you?
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>> I dont think those who act as "agents" do it concioussly

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


I dont know much about these persons you mentioned, but I see your point and tend to agree. Amazone shamans describe it similar.
Regarding Nancy, my personel opinion is she makes it up. But it might as well be possible she believes what she tells and cant help it. It could also be people like Castaneda made it all up. In his later life he also formed kind of a cult around him, with the Tensegrity movements and stuff. But a lot of the stuff he wrote makes sense and can be experienced. Like for example when he describes dreaming, or what many describe "lucid dreaming", I experienced this several times, just to name an example. In everything there is a grain of truth.
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I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.
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I didn't exactly say "external", bub. Why don't you leave me out of your discussion?
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>> I dont think those who act as "agents" do it concioussly

I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I dont know much about these persons you mentioned, but I see your point and tend to agree. Amazone shamans describe it similar.
Regarding Nancy, my personel opinion is she makes it up. But it might as well be possible she believes what she tells and cant help it. It could also be people like Castaneda made it all up. In his later life he also formed kind of a cult around him, with the Tensegrity movements and stuff. But a lot of the stuff he wrote makes sense and can be experienced. Like for example when he describes dreaming, or what many describe "lucid dreaming", I experienced this several times, just to name an example. In everything there is a grain of truth.
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>> I dont know much about these persons you mentioned

They are basically the "Anglo" (English predominantly) version of the Amazon shaman. Most of the stuff has VERY ancient roots in Cabala - an ancient form of Jewish mysticism with strong ancient Egyptian influence. Why aren't you familiar with it? Mainly because getting high quality access to these practices is done by INVITATION only. They are VERY secretive and exclusive. Why would that be? Could it be that those who practice successfully want to "hoard" the power they acquire, and pass it on only to their offspring and familiars? And why would the "macrobes" readily deal with "them", but otherwise ignore the "likes" of ***you***???

Could it be that these "magicians" were also wealthy and politically powerful and could influence world events in ways that you and I can only dream of???

Little ole "you" are incapable of starting a "war" where millions will die violently, but there are powerful people in the world who CAN - would the "macrobes" find these folks more "desirable" to make "deals/pacts" with??? (They have something of VALUE to offer them!!!)

No one said this was a "fair" world we live in!!!

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 09/20/2009 06:51 PM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Well, Gerard... are you going to leave those two sky charts on your site and claim they are from one hour apart when they are clearly the exact SAME chart?


Sigh. Menow or should i say howmo. I checked it and they are different charts, one is from 11:00pm dutch time and the other one 11:59pm dutch time.

And this is the last time that i am going to answer this question.


Here's your page with your two charts, you insipid little twit!

[link to poleshift.ning.com]

Both charts show the stars in the exact SAME positions.

Idiot!


Cause there is no change in position. And these charts are from the heavens-above.com site.
But then again i remember your behaviour and you'r as obnoxious now as you where some years ago.
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Here is the chart I generated from that site from Amsterdam on 22 March, 2008, 11pm. It's not the same as yours.


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I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.
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And that is not at ALL the reason I have given for not supporting Nancy's info. Why don't you stop speaking for me, hmm?
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I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.


I didn't exactly say "external", bub. Why don't you leave me out of your discussion?
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How else would you define "channeling" as opposed to "ordinary imagination" that all of us are familiar with??

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 09/20/2009 06:55 PM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I don't live in Amsterdam. Maybe some people think that the Netherlands=Amsterdam but that is not the case. Or are you
one of those person that think like this?
So yes the map you made is different cause of a different longitude and lattitude.

Enough said
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I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.

And that is not at ALL the reason I have given for not supporting Nancy's info. Why don't you stop speaking for me, hmm?
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I didn't say you supported Nancy in any way. You don't support her because you think she lies, and that the beings she's channeling are "lying" - so how have I portrayed your position inaccurately???

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 09/20/2009 07:07 PM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I don't live in Amsterdam. Maybe some people think that the Netherlands=Amsterdam but that is not the case. Or are you
one of those person that think like this?
So yes the map you made is different cause of a different longitude and lattitude.

Enough said
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You're right. The moon isn't out of place, nor is the Earth "wobbling" and you have no "evidence" to suggest otherwise.

Enough said.
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I did the same chart for 11:59. It's about 15 degrees different, just as it should be. I have NO idea what Gerard did to screw it up so badly.

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I don't live in Amsterdam. Maybe some people think that the Netherlands=Amsterdam but that is not the case. Or are you
one of those person that think like this?
So yes the map you made is different cause of a different longitude and lattitude.

Enough said
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How far are you from Amsterdam? I could only guess at a general location and it would make precious LITTLE difference. As usual, you have NO idea what you are talking about. If you want to give your exact Lat and long, go right ahead. How did YOU generate the two charts for two different times from ANY LOCATION and get NO CHANGE?
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I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.


I didn't exactly say "external", bub. Why don't you leave me out of your discussion?

How else would you define "channeling" as opposed to "ordinary imagination" that all of us are familiar with??
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Your propensity for skewing my words and being a frantic ass in general leaves me unexcited about discussing this with you.
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I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.

And that is not at ALL the reason I have given for not supporting Nancy's info. Why don't you stop speaking for me, hmm?

I didn't say you supported Nancy in any way. You don't support her because you think she lies, and that the beings she's channeling are "lying" - so how have I portrayed your position inaccurately???
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"Denigrading" = NOT supporting. Try reading again, a little more slowly. I will portray my OWN position, thank you!
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Could it be that these "magicians" were also wealthy and politically powerful and could influence world events in ways that you and I can only dream of???

Little ole "you" are incapable of starting a "war" where millions will die violently, but there are powerful people in the world who CAN - would the "macrobes" find these folks more "desirable" to make "deals/pacts" with??? (They have something of VALUE to offer them!!!)

No one said this was a "fair" world we live in!!!
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Oh yes, I would agree with that ... from the little bit I know about Crowley he was in connection with powerfull politicians. I would not compare them with amazone shamans though, because most of them are into healing. But this changes also, since there are now many self proclaimed shamans who found out there is a great demand of rituals in america and europe and now lots of them self made shamans travel the world and hold rituals for money ... not a good thing. The best thing that can happen in these rituals is that they have no quality at all ... worst thing is they can damage you and open you to the beings we discussed earlier.

would the "macrobes" find these folks more "desirable" to make "deals/pacts" with??? (They have something of VALUE to offer them!!!)

If the macrobes posses that kind of intelegence, which I am not sure about yet, yes, they would go for powerful people for sure. I even think that happened with Castaneda in a way. You probably know the death defier story. he gave Castaneda knowledge for his energy ... and in his later life the cult that formed about Castaneda became very weird and dameged many people, going this far that the females closest to him killed themselfes. One example can be read here:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.

And that is not at ALL the reason I have given for not supporting Nancy's info. Why don't you stop speaking for me, hmm?

I didn't say you supported Nancy in any way. You don't support her because you think she lies, and that the beings she's channeling are "lying" - so how have I portrayed your position inaccurately???


"Denigrading" = NOT supporting. Try reading again, a little more slowly. I will portray my OWN position, thank you!
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Anything you write is fodder for comment, by me or anyone else. As 'The Lone Ranger' LOVES to point out, GLP is a PUBLIC forum. Care to dispute that?
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I would agree that is true for the "majority" of human beings. But of those we know as "black magicians", or "evil sorcerers" who supposedly have true conscious interaction with such beings under the auspices of "ritual". Dudes such as "Merlin", "John Dee", "Alistair Crowley" - all just supersititious "silliness", or might there actually BE something to it all??? Castenada discussed the existence of such evil practitioners - hyperbole???


I would agree that Nancy is a 'wicked witch'! No doubt about it!

Then you "agree" with Menow, that she's not just "making it all up" without some form of "external" assistance (human or otherwise - if "human" then she's a psyop operative, else she's a "sorceress"????) Menow has opined that she is doing some form of "channeling" - but that is his reason for "denigrading" rather than "supporting" the Zetatalk info.

And that is not at ALL the reason I have given for not supporting Nancy's info. Why don't you stop speaking for me, hmm?

I didn't say you supported Nancy in any way. You don't support her because you think she lies, and that the beings she's channeling are "lying" - so how have I portrayed your position inaccurately???


"Denigrading" = NOT supporting. Try reading again, a little more slowly. I will portray my OWN position, thank you!

Anything you write is fodder for comment, by me or anyone else. As 'The Lone Ranger' LOVES to point out, GLP is a PUBLIC forum. Care to dispute that?
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


As usual, you demonstrate that only one response is really required.

Fuck you.
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As 'The Lone Ranger' LOVES to point out, GLP is a PUBLIC forum.
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