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you`re discussing ill and sick people here but mental diseases ARE NOT funny, you need a good hospital and a friendliy environment to help such people you will often need a very strong medication too to cure... my cousin also got into a cult and he needed a very long treatment after it as he was into drug abuse too ... cults often use halucinogens and strange ways to get their victims, for further information please read some articles here
[link to emedicine.medscape.com]
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The "ZetaCult" exists only in the fertile imagination of the debunkers.
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you`re discussing ill and sick people here but mental diseases ARE NOT funny, you need a good hospital and a friendliy environment to help such people you will often need a very strong medication too to cure... my cousin also got into a cult and he needed a very long treatment after it as he was into drug abuse too ... cults often use halucinogens and strange ways to get their victims, for further information please read some articles here
[link to emedicine.medscape.com]
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The "ZetaCult" exists only in the fertile imagination of the debunkers.
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Really?
And your argumentation is...?

Because those who say ZetaTalk is a cult have pretty stern arguments:

- Paradigms that people are not allowed to question whatsoever,
- The authority, Nancy, is not to be questioned,
- Irrational claims are accepted without questioning,
- there' a strong sense of "us vs. them"-mentality,
etc. etc.


Im not suprised though that a believer jumps in and repeats his beliefs.

The fact, that the believers do not understand the difference between empirical evidence and paradigms should tell you who's in denial.

Are the debunkers unwilling to look at evidence and disseminate them, or are the believers unwilling to do empirical testing regardless of the implications it could have on their beliefs?

You'll see, there are people who think: Lets find out the facts and then see what it means - even if it threatens our previous beliefs,
and there are people have premises/paradigms who don't want to find out the facts at all, because the implications could be threatening to their paradigm.

And even though the believers will think "the others" are in denial, they forget the fact that they are unwilling to look at other perspectives, unlike the debunkers who embrace empirical analysis from various perspectives.

The "ZetaCult" exists only in the fertile imagination of the debunkers.
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Which is perfectly understandable because cult-victims usally don't want to realize this fact either.

People don't want to hear that they're vulnerable, and much less that they're members of a cult-like structure.

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you`re discussing ill and sick people here but mental diseases ARE NOT funny, you need a good hospital and a friendliy environment to help such people you will often need a very strong medication too to cure... my cousin also got into a cult and he needed a very long treatment after it as he was into drug abuse too ... cults often use halucinogens and strange ways to get their victims, for further information please read some articles here
[link to emedicine.medscape.com]
 Quoting: Arnaud 4399432


The "ZetaCult" exists only in the fertile imagination of the debunkers.
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More to the point, the zetas only exist in the fertile imagination of nancy.
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And only there, that`s the reason why all her predictions always fail. When LIEDer predicts something normally the opposite happens. She has a long record of always failing predictions.

2012 really was too far out for her. Nancy`s cult is done.
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And only there, that`s the reason why all her predictions always fail. When LIEDer predicts something normally the opposite happens. She has a long record of always failing predictions.

2012 really was too far out for her. Nancy`s cult is done.
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It surely is...they're grasping at straws now.
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Ah ha! I can no longer /msg!
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Ah ha! I can no longer /msg!
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:) *clinks glass of cristal*

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And a giant thank-you to Elemental, for allowing me to express myself without fear of banning for another month -- and to those whose karma I can use the month after.

You are *far* too kind to me. I shall endeavor to be amusing and informative.
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Nancy in the media, which we predicted, though this show came prior to the announcement and not in what we predict will be a flood of appearances after the announcement by Obama admitting the presence of Nibiru. Russia is more open to discussing the alien presence and evidence of Nibiru, aka Planet X, and thus is leading the charge. This broadcast also shows how easily a TV appearance can be arranged, from the comfort of Nancy’s home, and on a moment’s notice. The Russia 1 broadcast will set a precedence. Get in line, TV stations of the world!
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Haters gon' hate!!!!!!!!

I hope Nancy takes off, the consequences can ONLY be beneficial. If people don't use their own discernment then that's their prerogative!!

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You'll be waiting a while. Obama was supposed to have made that announcement 10 months ago but he's too busy running around in "campaign" mode trying to disavow any knowledge of the scandals hitting his administration or blaming others for them. And when he isn't doing that, he's on lavish vacations at taxpayer expense. So tell you what - come back when, and ONLY when, Obama actually makes any such announcement. Until then, anything you post here is just manure.

As for Russian TV being more willing to discuss alien presence - that's another empty claim. I see shows discussing UFOs and alien abductions quite frequently on shows like the History Channel and a few others. Guess you must not have cable.

Right now, the only haters out there are people like you - hating "debunkers" because 10 years later they've been right about "Planet X" time and time again...while your messiah Nancy has to keep coming up with excuses to explain her miserable failures. Sucks for you doesn't it?

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The structures and the modus operandi of Nancy Liar are always the same. You are deadly right here, CB. Years before her Obama prediction she used the term puppet master for it. Of course all this predictions always failed, because there is one big mistake in Nancy`s weird prophecy: Nibiru doesn`t exist.

She replaced the puppet master by her weird Obama prediction. As far as I remember it should have happened in September 2012. Everybody who is only a little bit sane,- knew and knows and will know that such prophecy can only end in another epic fail.

Whenever Nancy Liar tried to make a precise prediction, it ended up in an epic fail.
Hale-Bopp, the big cataclysms in 2000, Nibiru in 2003 (with around five different white lies) …, the big showdown in 2010, Nobeeryou is too far out for 2012…
Just remember how often she tried to bring Indonesia under water. But this country isn`t interested in a crazy old cult-scumbag from Wisconsin.

And there are so many other crazy predictions in between that it is hard to remember them all. Compared with hotdog Nancy even Howard Campbell was a very successful prophet, though everybody knows that he was a total loser. I wonder how long her last desperate followers are willing to wait for the announcement of Obama,- Nancy`s latest hoax story.
They are already waiting now 10 months. But as always Nancy tells them that it will happen so soon. I`m sure we can laugh about this topic also next year in June. There is a big difference between words and some neurotic cult babble. Nancy “the weird one” Lieder is both neurotic and insane.

SOON Nancy will celebrate her third anniversary of three years of 7/10. She told her bigots and cultists back in 2008-2010 that it will be over in 1-2 weeks. And now?
I think Nancy Lieder is an old and very sick woman in her last days. Probably she was always very sick and needed help. pope

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I hope Nancy takes off, the consequences can ONLY be beneficial. If people don't use their own discernment then that's their prerogative!!
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Yes, because the consequences of cult leaders taking off is "beneficial" even if people choose not to use discernment.
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I hope Nancy takes off, the consequences can ONLY be beneficial. If people don't use their own discernment then that's their prerogative!!
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Yes, because the consequences of cult leaders taking off is "beneficial" even if people choose not to use discernment.
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Heavens Gate is a prime example of what cult leaders are capable of.
Thankfully Nancy has only resorted to Dogs ... for now.
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I hope Nancy takes off, the consequences can ONLY be beneficial. If people don't use their own discernment then that's their prerogative!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42522604

Yes, because the consequences of cult leaders taking off is "beneficial" even if people choose not to use discernment.

Right....
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Heavens Gate is a prime example of what cult leaders are capable of.
Thankfully Nancy has only resorted to Dogs ... for now.
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I don't consider it to be a 'cult', but it's damn close to one.

Although, Nancy does have a messianic personality. She has compared herself to Mother Theresa and Joan of Arc and, in a sense, considers herself to be martyr because of all the 'suffering' she's had to endure getting out the zeta 'message'.

At her age, I'm surprised she still has the strength to generate all this dross at age 72. I wonder how many more years she'll keep this up before passing the baton to one of her followers - maybe it will die out with her passing. Who knows.
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At her age, I'm surprised she still has the strength to generate all this dross at age 72. I wonder how many more years she'll keep this up before passing the baton to one of her followers - maybe it will die out with her passing. Who knows.
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Unfortunately no, I believe there is a certain level of cash flow that is generated into the coffers of ZT, what is most likely will be a long concocted story about the zeta's providing Nancy with a new "body" and someone like Gerard will take over the reins to milk the believers anew.
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Love Albertos last lenseflare orgy .. his Nibirus are shapeshifters and dancers ...lolsignstoner
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Love Albertos last lenseflare orgy .. his Nibirus are shapeshifters and dancers ...lolsignstoner
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Yeah, it's amazing how he can photograph something that's invisible to the rest of the world ;)
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And it will always stay invisible because it doesn`t exist. but it is a great fun for the cult people to show each other their lenseflare-Nibirus in all different sizes and shapes.

Gerard Zwaan should stop the fraud and close the Ning. Luckily they aren`t allowed to use telescopes or standard astronomic tools to verify their hoax-planets. The poor cult people would cry all day long...
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Don't forget that according to Alberto himself (!), he can only see his lens flares on the camera!

Comment by Alberto:

Q : Can you see the moons with the naked eye or only after the camera is involved?

A: only after the camera is involved is possible to see thanks to filter. Only a small piece of floppy disk must cover lens of smartphone. Images are possible near rise, culm, set. Good luck


EDIT: Link gets totally crippled by GLP.. Go on the PS-Ning and search for "Sun to Zenith AZ 194"

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I had to change the IP a couple of times just to post the above.

Looks like Flabbi's full name and/or other details are blocked.

Thanks for makin' it hard to debunk the shitstorm.
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I hope Nancy takes off, the consequences can ONLY be beneficial. If people don't use their own discernment then that's their prerogative!!
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Yes, because the consequences of cult leaders taking off is "beneficial" even if people choose not to use discernment.
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Brutal. But right on.
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I had to change the IP a couple of times just to post the above.

Looks like Flabbi's full name and/or other details are blocked.

Thanks for makin' it hard to debunk the shitstorm.
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You did it though :))) thanks my lovely :)
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Don't forget that according to Alberto himself (!), he can only see his lens flares on the camera!

See: poleshift dot ning dot com / profiles/ blogs/sun-to-zenith-az-194-52-elev-stalking is a crime2012-05-05-13-50-big-body-has

Comment by Alberto:

Q : Can you see the moons with the naked eye or only after the camera is involved?

A: only after the camera is involved is possible to see thanks to filter. Only a small piece of floppy disk must cover lens of smartphone. Images are possible near rise, culm, set. Good luck

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Oh my goodness.........
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Don't forget that according to Alberto himself (!), he can only see his lens flares on the camera!

See: poleshift dot ning dot com / profiles/ blogs/sun-to-zenith-az-194-52-elev-stalking is a crime2012-05-05-13-50-big-body-has

Comment by Alberto:

Q : Can you see the moons with the naked eye or only after the camera is involved?

A: only after the camera is involved is possible to see thanks to filter. Only a small piece of floppy disk must cover lens of smartphone. Images are possible near rise, culm, set. Good luck

 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Oh my goodness.........
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Lol, laugh or cry eh?
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Don't forget that according to Alberto himself (!), he can only see his lens flares on the camera!

See: poleshift dot ning dot com / profiles/ blogs/sun-to-zenith-az-194-52-elev-stalking is a crime2012-05-05-13-50-big-body-has

Comment by Alberto:

Q : Can you see the moons with the naked eye or only after the camera is involved?

A: only after the camera is involved is possible to see thanks to filter. Only a small piece of floppy disk must cover lens of smartphone. Images are possible near rise, culm, set. Good luck

 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Oh my goodness.........
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


Lol, laugh or cry eh?
 Quoting: Elemental


I'm not even sure which one to do.
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I had to change the IP a couple of times just to post the above.

Looks like Flabbi's full name and/or other details are blocked.

Thanks for makin' it hard to debunk the shitstorm.
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Happens to me too some times - I think it's a bug in the forum software.

Workaround:
Simply make a post with the single word "Test"
Click on "Edit Post"
Copy the original text into the text box
Click "Update"

Works always fine for me.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Don't forget that according to Alberto himself (!), he can only see his lens flares on the camera!

See: poleshift dot ning dot com / profiles/ blogs/sun-to-zenith-az-194-52-elev-stalking is a crime2012-05-05-13-50-big-body-has

Comment by Alberto:

Q : Can you see the moons with the naked eye or only after the camera is involved?

A: only after the camera is involved is possible to see thanks to filter. Only a small piece of floppy disk must cover lens of smartphone. Images are possible near rise, culm, set. Good luck

 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision

And don't forget the dusty double pane window to create the nice Moon swirls and Planet X - sometimes you can see the frame border in his pictures.

Pixel Poli should start to "enhance" this parts of Flarebertos pictures.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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I had to change the IP a couple of times just to post the above.

Looks like Flabbi's full name and/or other details are blocked.

Thanks for makin' it hard to debunk the shitstorm.
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Happens to me too some times - I think it's a bug in the forum software.

Workaround:
Simply make a post with the single word "Test"
Click on "Edit Post"
Copy the original text into the text box
Click "Update"

Works always fine for me.

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I did so, although after updating the post I was banned and had to change the IP again..
At least the updated text remained..


BTW: Who the heck made me premium?!
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Nancy Liar is babbling about an earth wobble in her latest newsletter again. Why is it so hard to understand that the earth can`t wobble around. We could easily verify this with out GPS-systems because they wouldn`t work anymore.

But they are always working well and precisely. Besides that there would be massive earthquakes and huge tsunamis. The Ningtards don`t live on this planet.

Zwaan should stop this cult fraud and close the Ning. Give them meds ...medsdumbass
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Nancy Liar is babbling about an earth wobble in her latest newsletter again. Why is it so hard to understand that the earth can`t wobble around. We could easily verify this with out GPS-systems because they wouldn`t work anymore.

But they are always working well and precisely. Besides that there would be massive earthquakes and huge tsunamis. The Ningtards don`t live on this planet.
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There are many ways to prove if there's an earth wobble.
The first step however would be to imagine what implications such a Nancy-wobble would have:
- Simultaneous jolting i.e. DAILY simultaneous STRONG earthquakes + Tsunami
- Simultaneous amplitudes on ALL seismographs
- GPS systems not properly working as you said,
- Sattelites in the overall in a polar/geo-synch orbit not properly working
- Timelapse rotational images of the sky would show DAILY abberations
- DAILY reports of the Sun/Moon being out of position confirmed by empirical analysis
- Huge magma movements would produce unmistakable gravitional anomalies (less density)
- Subduction would experience DAILY "boosts"
- We would have DAILY "wobble-tides" as a result of displacing the inert-mass of the oceans - a very fluid medium.
- DAILY Hurricanes and odd currents due to the displacing of the inert-mass of the hydrosphere.

and many many other implications which are not important to be considered because Ninnies theories don't even fullfill ONE implication.

Its one of those claims she arrogantly bends to any degree, without them ever questioning it.

On the other hand she needs these types of claims, because they produce a fair ammount of dissonance, of which Nancy is extremly dependent upon.

If she created enough dissonance, confusion - people wouldn't trust anyone anymore, about anything. - Not even themselves.
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Nancy Liar is babbling about an earth wobble in her latest newsletter again. Why is it so hard to understand that the earth can`t wobble around. We could easily verify this with out GPS-systems because they wouldn`t work anymore.

But they are always working well and precisely. Besides that there would be massive earthquakes and huge tsunamis. The Ningtards don`t live on this planet.
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There are many ways to prove if there's an earth wobble.
The first step however would be to imagine what implications such a Nancy-wobble would have:
- Simultaneous jolting i.e. DAILY simultaneous STRONG earthquakes + Tsunami
- Simultaneous amplitudes on ALL seismographs
- GPS systems not properly working as you said,
- Sattelites in the overall in a polar/geo-synch orbit not properly working
- Timelapse rotational images of the sky would show DAILY abberations
- DAILY reports of the Sun/Moon being out of position confirmed by empirical analysis
- Huge magma movements would produce unmistakable gravitional anomalies (less density)
- Subduction would experience DAILY "boosts"
- We would have DAILY "wobble-tides" as a result of displacing the inert-mass of the oceans - a very fluid medium.
- DAILY Hurricanes and odd currents due to the displacing of the inert-mass of the hydrosphere.

and many many other implications which are not important to be considered because Ninnies theories don't even fullfill ONE implication.

Its one of those claims she arrogantly bends to any degree, without them ever questioning it.

On the other hand she needs these types of claims, because they produce a fair ammount of dissonance, of which Nancy is extremly dependent upon.

If she created enough dissonance, confusion - people wouldn't trust anyone anymore, about anything. - Not even themselves.
itisatrap
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And my old favorite -- GOTO telescopes would have no way of tracking the sky, and *anyone* can buy one for about $300 bucks.

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