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you TRULY have an ironic user name ;)
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Sarcasm is music in my ears hf

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You are aware of the difference between sarcasm and irony, CoS?
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I`ve just been contacted by my secret sources of the CIA and FBI. They found out how Pixel-Poli and Bumberto aka the incredible Flareberto are presenting their latest lenseflares to each other.

Ok, it was clear that we have to face the truth one day, but I didn`t expect it would be such a shock.

Thanks to Prism, the NSA and other international secret services we can finally see the shocking truth now. First, even I couldn’t believe it, but then it was obvious …!
I wish them good luck and hopefully no children. Pixel-Poli and Bumberto in action. Warning this program contains explicit material,- not suitable for minors and children.



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Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.....brilliant!
 Quoting: Elemental


That guy tortures his images and enhances them to where it brings out flares which were not visible through the viewfinder. It's just that simple.
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...

I said I have 40 years of experience in photography and 30 years of experience in astronomy.

I didn't say I have experience in Photoshop.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Perfect answer, thank you. You now officially admitted that you don't know what this object is. Your only explanation is your suggestion the photographer is using photoshop to create this. Awesome.

Youtube user "whydotheathensrage" with this two videos is obviously on the right track (in case he did not photoshop this)




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That Youtuber is an idiot. If not for the extreme confirmation bias he applies to his "findings", he would see his own crap for what it is.
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


Cmon Menow you can surely do better than this. Don't you understand that with what you just said you put all those who are not decided of what to believe, into the realm of Nibiru believers?
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Those who don't understand the scientific method and confirmation bias are doomed to fall for various nonsense.
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you TRULY have an ironic user name ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9328442


Sarcasm is music in my ears hf

 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


You are aware of the difference between sarcasm and irony, CoS?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


You appear to have missed part of the post.....let me help;

*Not all people are as naive to believe a "rogue planet" goes past all scientists and can be found on YT-vids...

Again, you've avoided rational, relevant questions:

How do you explain (to yourself) that he does film an alleged physical object that went unnoticed to 6 billion people?

Ah. I guess I didn't get the word, did I? ( You can derail/ignore based on this one if you feel more comfortable not adressing these issues.)

PS: Have you noticed Flarebertos latest image proves the sun is perfectly in place?

How about an experiment?
You take images of the Sun daily, at given time, and measure its Az... then you compare this to a skychart and see wether it correlates.

A tip: Another Moderator once mounted an automatic webcam to take images of the sun behind a floppy... Now why haven't you seen a posting of this on the Ning?*


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you TRULY have an ironic user name ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9328442


Sarcasm is music in my ears hf

 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


You are aware of the difference between sarcasm and irony, CoS?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


You appear to have missed part of the post.....let me help;

*Not all people are as naive to believe a "rogue planet" goes past all scientists and can be found on YT-vids...

Again, you've avoided rational, relevant questions:

How do you explain (to yourself) that he does film an alleged physical object that went unnoticed to 6 billion people?

Ah. I guess I didn't get the word, did I? ( You can derail/ignore based on this one if you feel more comfortable not adressing these issues.)

PS: Have you noticed Flarebertos latest image proves the sun is perfectly in place?

How about an experiment?
You take images of the Sun daily, at given time, and measure its Az... then you compare this to a skychart and see wether it correlates.

A tip: Another Moderator once mounted an automatic webcam to take images of the sun behind a floppy... Now why haven't you seen a posting of this on the Ning?*

 Quoting: Elemental


Look at those beautiful movies. They contain so many things debunkers have asked for yet you guys would never give it a try because you would have to admit you were wrong from the start:

1) Using RAW Files
2) presents a covered up object sometimes (behind clouds and a tree)
3) has decent semi professional hardware and a teleconverter
4) uses different cameras and different lenses attached to them
4) is open minded to discuss questions and answers to critique

And even the most experienced person in this thread, Hydra, gave an answer I did not expect. He suggested youtube user 'whydotheathensrage' is using photoshop to fake all of this. WOW, impressive. That was astonishing, even for me.

Yet you ask all those questions without having seen the videos (they would waste your time, right?). At the same time you did not get the attention you wanted but expect from others to discuss your stuff, your questions? Completely irrelevant stuff I won't answer ever to you. Why would I discuss with a backstabber, a lier and a traitor?

Stick with what the guy sees and what he has seen with his own two eyes.

It is you beeing in denial and as prognosed by the Zetas this will increase, unfortunately.

ZT from 07/13/2013

SOZT
As we predicted would occur during the 8 of 10 phase, visibility of the Planet X complex has increased. As we have explained, Planet X and the Earth assume a more side-by-side posture during the 8 of 10 phase, Planet X moving forward in its path but the Earth pulling far to the left where it is trapped within the cup. Visibility increases because the angle of bounce for sunlight reflected off the vast dust cloud that shrouds both Planet X and the Moon Swirls is more optimal. When the Planet X complex was positioned more between the Earth and Sun, the bounce most often returned sunlight to the Sun or to the side, off into space. It was the rare times when the angle was right, at sunrise or sunset, that the people of Earth saw what they thought were two suns rising or setting. Now this optimal angle is present for most of the day.

Video captures, by experts who adjust the hue to explore what appears under various light spectrums, have begun appearing on the Internet, asserting that a large object can be seen under the Sun or somewhat to the right or left of this position. The objects look spherical, distinct, implying they are planets rather than Moon Swirls. Are any of these objects the Planet X corpus itself? During the decade that Planet X has been in the inner solar system, slowly making its way past the Sun, Planet X has presented many faces, including the Monster Persona where it looks huge and perfectly round. This is caused by light fanning outward but then being drawn back by the gravity of Earth. Where the Monster is not the size of Planet X, the light rays originate FROM Planet X, thus documenting its current location just under the Ecliptic.

Some of the recent captures are of Moon Swirls, so extremely bright (as has been their characteristic) that in one case a video captured a lens flare from the Moon Swirl. Thus proving the Moon Swirl is distinct, not in and of itself a Moon Swirl. What will this increased visibility mean for the lingering cover-up, not yet dealt a death blow as of today, July 13, 2013 by Obama’s planned announcement. This visibility has created increased chatter on the Internet, a growing sense in the public that they are being lied to about the erratic weather, sudden tides, and Sun and Moon obviously out of place. After the announcement, there will be many who will claim Nibiru, aka Planet X, is a falsehood, still in denial or attempting to placate mankind so they remain on the coastlines and in their jobs. This visibility is thus a great weapon against that type of disinformation.
EOZT







byebye
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Stick with what the guy sees and what he has seen with his own two eyes.

It is you beeing in denial and as prognosed by the Zetas this will increase, unfortunately.

ZT from 07/13/2013

SOZT
As we predicted would occur during the 8 of 10 phase, visibility of the Planet X complex has increased. As we have explained, Planet X and the Earth assume a more side-by-side posture during the 8 of 10 phase, Planet X moving forward in its path but the Earth pulling far to the left where it is trapped within the cup. Visibility increases because the angle of bounce for sunlight reflected off the vast dust cloud that shrouds both Planet X and the Moon Swirls is more optimal. When the Planet X complex was positioned more between the Earth and Sun, the bounce most often returned sunlight to the Sun or to the side, off into space. It was the rare times when the angle was right, at sunrise or sunset, that the people of Earth saw what they thought were two suns rising or setting. Now this optimal angle is present for most of the day.

Video captures, by experts who adjust the hue to explore what appears under various light spectrums, have begun appearing on the Internet, asserting that a large object can be seen under the Sun or somewhat to the right or left of this position. The objects look spherical, distinct, implying they are planets rather than Moon Swirls. Are any of these objects the Planet X corpus itself? During the decade that Planet X has been in the inner solar system, slowly making its way past the Sun, Planet X has presented many faces, including the Monster Persona where it looks huge and perfectly round. This is caused by light fanning outward but then being drawn back by the gravity of Earth. Where the Monster is not the size of Planet X, the light rays originate FROM Planet X, thus documenting its current location just under the Ecliptic.

Some of the recent captures are of Moon Swirls, so extremely bright (as has been their characteristic) that in one case a video captured a lens flare from the Moon Swirl. Thus proving the Moon Swirl is distinct, not in and of itself a Moon Swirl. What will this increased visibility mean for the lingering cover-up, not yet dealt a death blow as of today, July 13, 2013 by Obama’s planned announcement. This visibility has created increased chatter on the Internet, a growing sense in the public that they are being lied to about the erratic weather, sudden tides, and Sun and Moon obviously out of place. After the announcement, there will be many who will claim Nibiru, aka Planet X, is a falsehood, still in denial or attempting to placate mankind so they remain on the coastlines and in their jobs. This visibility is thus a great weapon against that type of disinformation.
EOZT







byebye
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


People have been allegedly "seeing" planet X since 2002. Nancy has been making the same claims about increasing visibility ever since and trotting out the same sort of nonsense in support of that claim for a decade. What Has changed? Nothing.

How do you imagine an INHABITED planet could hover near the sun for a decade and not fry its population?

When are you going to stop trolling with this nonsense?
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you TRULY have an ironic user name ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9328442


Sarcasm is music in my ears hf

 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


You are aware of the difference between sarcasm and irony, CoS?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


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> Erscheinungsformen. Erster Satz ;)


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Stick with what the guy sees and what he has seen with his own two eyes.

It is you beeing in denial and as prognosed by the Zetas this will increase, unfortunately.

ZT from 07/13/2013

SOZT
As we predicted would occur during the 8 of 10 phase, visibility of the Planet X complex has increased. As we have explained, Planet X and the Earth assume a more side-by-side posture during the 8 of 10 phase, Planet X moving forward in its path but the Earth pulling far to the left where it is trapped within the cup. Visibility increases because the angle of bounce for sunlight reflected off the vast dust cloud that shrouds both Planet X and the Moon Swirls is more optimal. When the Planet X complex was positioned more between the Earth and Sun, the bounce most often returned sunlight to the Sun or to the side, off into space. It was the rare times when the angle was right, at sunrise or sunset, that the people of Earth saw what they thought were two suns rising or setting. Now this optimal angle is present for most of the day.

Video captures, by experts who adjust the hue to explore what appears under various light spectrums, have begun appearing on the Internet, asserting that a large object can be seen under the Sun or somewhat to the right or left of this position. The objects look spherical, distinct, implying they are planets rather than Moon Swirls. Are any of these objects the Planet X corpus itself? During the decade that Planet X has been in the inner solar system, slowly making its way past the Sun, Planet X has presented many faces, including the Monster Persona where it looks huge and perfectly round. This is caused by light fanning outward but then being drawn back by the gravity of Earth. Where the Monster is not the size of Planet X, the light rays originate FROM Planet X, thus documenting its current location just under the Ecliptic.

Some of the recent captures are of Moon Swirls, so extremely bright (as has been their characteristic) that in one case a video captured a lens flare from the Moon Swirl. Thus proving the Moon Swirl is distinct, not in and of itself a Moon Swirl. What will this increased visibility mean for the lingering cover-up, not yet dealt a death blow as of today, July 13, 2013 by Obama’s planned announcement. This visibility has created increased chatter on the Internet, a growing sense in the public that they are being lied to about the erratic weather, sudden tides, and Sun and Moon obviously out of place. After the announcement, there will be many who will claim Nibiru, aka Planet X, is a falsehood, still in denial or attempting to placate mankind so they remain on the coastlines and in their jobs. This visibility is thus a great weapon against that type of disinformation.
EOZT







byebye
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


People have been allegedly "seeing" planet X since 2002. Nancy has been making the same claims about increasing visibility ever since and trotting out the same sort of nonsense in support of that claim for a decade. What Has changed? Nothing.

How do you imagine an INHABITED planet could hover near the sun for a decade and not fry its population?

When are you going to stop trolling with this nonsense?
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


Of course everything has changed. Stick with the movies and tell me what that is. Have the deceny to review what you were telling the people and don't cling to the past. Visibility has changed, you cannot ignore this without loosing all your credibility. We are going from shitty lens flare pictures and massive lens flares allover the net to semi professional pictures with a lot of questions attached to them.

What do YOU see Menow? Is the guy using photoshop to fake this? Is this / are these lens flares or optical lens apparitions? What is your opinion?

Can you speak from your heart or is it too late in this incarnation for you? Just put Nancy Lieder and the ps ning and everything you know about that aside for a moment and answer me these simple questions above. I appreciate it.
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you TRULY have an ironic user name ;)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9328442


Sarcasm is music in my ears hf

 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


You are aware of the difference between sarcasm and irony, CoS?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


[link to de.wikipedia.org]

> Erscheinungsformen. Erster Satz ;)


EDIT: more following
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Cos, das haste echt nicht nötig. Sach mal lieber an was der Typ da auf der Cam sieht :-)

And yeah, Hessen rult tounge
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Look at those beautiful movies. They contain so many things debunkers have asked for yet you guys would never give it a try because you would have to admit you were wrong from the start:

1) Using RAW Files
2) presents a covered up object sometimes (behind clouds and a tree)
3) has decent semi professional hardware and a teleconverter
4) uses different cameras and different lenses attached to them
4) is open minded to discuss questions and answers to critique
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


It - doesn't - matter. Because its still inconsistent to the fact that MILLIONS of people around the world would have registered it by telescopes, sattelites, gravity-measurings, orbit-abberations, tide-abberations, magma(velocity)-abberations or other effects a presence of a physical planet would implicate.

And even the most experienced person in this thread, Hydra, gave an answer I did not expect. He suggested youtube user 'whydotheathensrage' is using photoshop to fake all of this. WOW, impressive. That was astonishing, even for me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


You mentioned the answer yourself:

Yet you ask all those questions without having seen the videos (they would waste your time, right?).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Ditto! Time w.a.s.t.i.n.g for the facts mentioned above.

As I said before, its not even important to find out what this guy photographed because we don't need this info at all to determine the fact that this CANNOT be a physical planet anywhere near us.

At the same time you did not get the attention you wanted but expect from others to discuss your stuff, your questions? Completely irrelevant stuff I won't answer ever to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


YOU come here crying wolf to what this guy uploaded on Youtube.
YOU come here wanting input from everyone regarding the whole thing.

Get your facts straight man.

Why would I discuss with a backstabber, a lier and a traitor?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


You think that hurt me?
Its not hard to realize that you guys just feel personally attacked because your beliefs are criticized.

Don' take it personal.

Stick with what the guy sees and what he has seen with his own two eyes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Stick to what HE saw with HIS very own eyes? Really?


It is you beeing in denial and as prognosed by the Zetas this will increase, unfortunately.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


One day you will find out that those in denial usally project their denial upon others.

Cos, das haste echt nicht nötig. Sach mal lieber an was der Typ da auf der Cam sieht :-)

And yeah, Hessen rult tounge
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Ist nur die Wahrheit!
Been there, done that. Als ich "glaubte" und noch nicht "wusste", hatte ich auch niemals damit gerechnet mich zu irren.
Aber Man(n) irrt nunmal!
hf

Hessen^2?

Last Edited by MoreAboutTunnelVision on 07/16/2013 03:29 PM
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Of course everything has changed.
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NOTHING has changed. Same non-evidence, pasted on top of previous non-evidence. In other words, same shit-different year. Yawn...

Stick with the movies and tell me what that is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


In his vids? Lens flares, obviously.

Have the deceny to review what you were telling the people and don't cling to the past.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


In other words, just keep giving credibility to this nonsense by addressing each new round of it as if there could actually be a large object hovering near the sun which astronomers have missed or are ALL in a vast conspiracy to hide... Right...

Visibility has changed, you cannot ignore this without loosing all your credibility.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Repeat: NOTHING has changed.

We are going from shitty lens flare pictures and massive lens flares allover the net to semi professional pictures with a lot of questions attached to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Yeah... the questions attached should be: "WTF are you trying to pull, here?"

What do YOU see Menow? Is the guy using photoshop to fake this? Is this / are these lens flares or optical lens apparitions? What is your opinion?

Can you speak from your heart or is it too late in this incarnation for you? Just put Nancy Lieder and the ps ning and everything you know about that aside for a moment and answer me these simple questions above. I appreciate it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483



Lens flares- same as always, except when Nancy claims that a kite is her planet.

You're just playing dumb. I already asked you when you are going to stop trolling with this nonsense. When are you going to answer MY question?
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whydotheathensrage, two days ago
I am acutely aware of flares and artifacts, I can tell you this is not a flare as it is never seen through the view finder. This object also has active orb/moons around it that change with time. Ad to that the atmospheric cloud. Also, in my latest video, it appears behind the trees; and clouds,,,, Also the sun is nowhere in any of these shots. the sun is above, well out of frame. Features on the object surface are always different as you would expect with a solid planetoid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43322648




When I was in college I worked for a photography studio for two years as both a photographer and in photo processing. While 60% of my work involved touching up teenage acne in year book photos, another 20% involved the Photoshopping of misc. artifacts from photos. High school football games were the worst.
I suspect almost every experienced or professional photographer knows that a light source does not have to be in frame to produce a lens flare. In fact, about 95% of the lens flares I had to deal with involved light sources that were out of frame. This YouTuber seems to be oblivious to this fact, so I wouldn’t believe any claims he makes in regards to “expertise” or “experience”.

Additionally, we were always sure to proof our photos after running our auto-correct macros, as many artifacts remained hidden until properly processed. There is nothing strange about these videos. At least the segments I watched.
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whydotheathensrage, two days ago
I am acutely aware of flares and artifacts, I can tell you this is not a flare as it is never seen through the view finder. This object also has active orb/moons around it that change with time. Ad to that the atmospheric cloud. Also, in my latest video, it appears behind the trees; and clouds,,,, Also the sun is nowhere in any of these shots. the sun is above, well out of frame. Features on the object surface are always different as you would expect with a solid planetoid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43322648




When I was in college I worked for a photography studio for two years as both a photographer and in photo processing. While 60% of my work involved touching up teenage acne in year book photos, another 20% involved the Photoshopping of misc. artifacts from photos. High school football games were the worst.
I suspect almost every experienced or professional photographer knows that a light source does not have to be in frame to produce a lens flare. In fact, about 95% of the lens flares I had to deal with involved light sources that were out of frame. This YouTuber seems to be oblivious to this fact, so I wouldn’t believe any claims he makes in regards to “expertise” or “experience”.

Additionally, we were always sure to proof our photos after running our auto-correct macros, as many artifacts remained hidden until properly processed. There is nothing strange about these videos. At least the segments I watched.
 Quoting: Setheory 22372062



"Features on the object surface are always different as you would expect with a solid planetoid."

What? Isn't that the opposite of what would be expected?
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Look at those beautiful movies. They contain so many things debunkers have asked for yet you guys would never give it a try because you would have to admit you were wrong from the start:

1) Using RAW Files
2) presents a covered up object sometimes (behind clouds and a tree)
3) has decent semi professional hardware and a teleconverter
4) uses different cameras and different lenses attached to them
4) is open minded to discuss questions and answers to critique
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


It - doesn't - matter. Because its still inconsistent to the fact that MILLIONS of people around the world would have registered it by telescopes, sattelites, gravity-measurings, orbit-abberations, tide-abberations, magma(velocity)-abberations or other effects a presence of a physical planet would implicate.

And even the most experienced person in this thread, Hydra, gave an answer I did not expect. He suggested youtube user 'whydotheathensrage' is using photoshop to fake all of this. WOW, impressive. That was astonishing, even for me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


You mentioned the answer yourself:

Yet you ask all those questions without having seen the videos (they would waste your time, right?).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Ditto! Time w.a.s.t.i.n.g for the facts mentioned above.

As I said before, its not even important to find out what this guy photographed because we don't need this info at all to determine the fact that this CANNOT be a physical planet anywhere near us.

At the same time you did not get the attention you wanted but expect from others to discuss your stuff, your questions? Completely irrelevant stuff I won't answer ever to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


YOU come here crying wolf to what this guy uploaded on Youtube.
YOU come here wanting input from everyone regarding the whole thing.

Get your facts straight man.

Why would I discuss with a backstabber, a lier and a traitor?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


You think that hurt me?
Its not hard to realize that you guys just feel personally attacked because your beliefs are criticized.

Don' take it personal.

Stick with what the guy sees and what he has seen with his own two eyes.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Stick to what HE saw with HIS very own eyes? Really?


It is you beeing in denial and as prognosed by the Zetas this will increase, unfortunately.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


One day you will find out that those in denial usally project their denial upon others.

Cos, das haste echt nicht nötig. Sach mal lieber an was der Typ da auf der Cam sieht :-)

And yeah, Hessen rult tounge
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Ist nur die Wahrheit!
Been there, done that. Als ich "glaubte" und noch nicht "wusste", hatte ich auch niemals damit gerechnet mich zu irren.
Aber Man(n) irrt nunmal!
hf

Hessen^2?
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Hessen^2?
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Yep rockon
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whydotheathensrage, two days ago
I am acutely aware of flares and artifacts, I can tell you this is not a flare as it is never seen through the view finder. This object also has active orb/moons around it that change with time. Ad to that the atmospheric cloud. Also, in my latest video, it appears behind the trees; and clouds,,,, Also the sun is nowhere in any of these shots. the sun is above, well out of frame. Features on the object surface are always different as you would expect with a solid planetoid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43322648




When I was in college I worked for a photography studio for two years as both a photographer and in photo processing. While 60% of my work involved touching up teenage acne in year book photos, another 20% involved the Photoshopping of misc. artifacts from photos. High school football games were the worst.
I suspect almost every experienced or professional photographer knows that a light source does not have to be in frame to produce a lens flare. In fact, about 95% of the lens flares I had to deal with involved light sources that were out of frame. This YouTuber seems to be oblivious to this fact, so I wouldn’t believe any claims he makes in regards to “expertise” or “experience”.

Additionally, we were always sure to proof our photos after running our auto-correct macros, as many artifacts remained hidden until properly processed. There is nothing strange about these videos. At least the segments I watched.
 Quoting: Setheory 22372062



"Features on the object surface are always different as you would expect with a solid planetoid."

What? Isn't that the opposite of what would be expected?
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Perhaps moonswirls are magic....
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Of course everything has changed.
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NOTHING has changed. Same non-evidence, pasted on top of previous non-evidence. In other words, same shit-different year. Yawn...

Stick with the movies and tell me what that is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


In his vids? Lens flares, obviously.

Have the deceny to review what you were telling the people and don't cling to the past.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


In other words, just keep giving credibility to this nonsense by addressing each new round of it as if there could actually be a large object hovering near the sun which astronomers have missed or are ALL in a vast conspiracy to hide... Right...

Visibility has changed, you cannot ignore this without loosing all your credibility.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Repeat: NOTHING has changed.

We are going from shitty lens flare pictures and massive lens flares allover the net to semi professional pictures with a lot of questions attached to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Yeah... the questions attached should be: "WTF are you trying to pull, here?"

What do YOU see Menow? Is the guy using photoshop to fake this? Is this / are these lens flares or optical lens apparitions? What is your opinion?

Can you speak from your heart or is it too late in this incarnation for you? Just put Nancy Lieder and the ps ning and everything you know about that aside for a moment and answer me these simple questions above. I appreciate it.
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Lens flares- same as always, except when Nancy claims that a kite is her planet.

You're just playing dumb. I already asked you when you are going to stop trolling with this nonsense. When are you going to answer MY question?
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Thanks for your answers. I will stop doing this when the guy actually finds out what the object really is coz this is the only thing I am interested in.
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whydotheathensrage, two days ago
I am acutely aware of flares and artifacts, I can tell you this is not a flare as it is never seen through the view finder. This object also has active orb/moons around it that change with time. Ad to that the atmospheric cloud. Also, in my latest video, it appears behind the trees; and clouds,,,, Also the sun is nowhere in any of these shots. the sun is above, well out of frame. Features on the object surface are always different as you would expect with a solid planetoid.
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When I was in college I worked for a photography studio for two years as both a photographer and in photo processing. While 60% of my work involved touching up teenage acne in year book photos, another 20% involved the Photoshopping of misc. artifacts from photos. High school football games were the worst.
I suspect almost every experienced or professional photographer knows that a light source does not have to be in frame to produce a lens flare. In fact, about 95% of the lens flares I had to deal with involved light sources that were out of frame. This YouTuber seems to be oblivious to this fact, so I wouldn’t believe any claims he makes in regards to “expertise” or “experience”.

Additionally, we were always sure to proof our photos after running our auto-correct macros, as many artifacts remained hidden until properly processed. There is nothing strange about these videos. At least the segments I watched.
 Quoting: Setheory 22372062



"Features on the object surface are always different as you would expect with a solid planetoid."

What? Isn't that the opposite of what would be expected?
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


I suspect almost every experienced or professional photographer knows that a light source does not have to be in frame to produce a lens flare. In fact, about 95% of the lens flares I had to deal with involved light sources that were out of frame.
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


That is true. You can see many lens flare picture / movies out there where the sun isn't even close in frame. So you also say this is a lense flare?

If you rule out the sun or any other source of light reflexion as good as possible and the object stays where it is while moving the cam around a lense flare or any kind of optical lens apparitions where the sun is thr source should be avoided by doing so, right?

What is with the "Object" being behind a cloud [03:34 - 07:00] and behind a brunch [18:22 - 19:20} ?



I appreciate your answer.
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Of course everything has changed.
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NOTHING has changed. Same non-evidence, pasted on top of previous non-evidence. In other words, same shit-different year. Yawn...

Stick with the movies and tell me what that is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


In his vids? Lens flares, obviously.

Have the deceny to review what you were telling the people and don't cling to the past.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


In other words, just keep giving credibility to this nonsense by addressing each new round of it as if there could actually be a large object hovering near the sun which astronomers have missed or are ALL in a vast conspiracy to hide... Right...

Visibility has changed, you cannot ignore this without loosing all your credibility.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Repeat: NOTHING has changed.

We are going from shitty lens flare pictures and massive lens flares allover the net to semi professional pictures with a lot of questions attached to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Yeah... the questions attached should be: "WTF are you trying to pull, here?"

What do YOU see Menow? Is the guy using photoshop to fake this? Is this / are these lens flares or optical lens apparitions? What is your opinion?

Can you speak from your heart or is it too late in this incarnation for you? Just put Nancy Lieder and the ps ning and everything you know about that aside for a moment and answer me these simple questions above. I appreciate it.
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Lens flares- same as always, except when Nancy claims that a kite is her planet.

You're just playing dumb. I already asked you when you are going to stop trolling with this nonsense. When are you going to answer MY question?
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Thanks for your answers. I will stop doing this when the guy actually finds out what the object really is coz this is the only thing I am interested in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


You mean you'll wait until HE admits it's not a real object? What if he just disappears, like most do, rather than admit to having been wrong?
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Of course everything has changed.
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NOTHING has changed. Same non-evidence, pasted on top of previous non-evidence. In other words, same shit-different year. Yawn...

Stick with the movies and tell me what that is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


In his vids? Lens flares, obviously.

Have the deceny to review what you were telling the people and don't cling to the past.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


In other words, just keep giving credibility to this nonsense by addressing each new round of it as if there could actually be a large object hovering near the sun which astronomers have missed or are ALL in a vast conspiracy to hide... Right...

Visibility has changed, you cannot ignore this without loosing all your credibility.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Repeat: NOTHING has changed.

We are going from shitty lens flare pictures and massive lens flares allover the net to semi professional pictures with a lot of questions attached to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Yeah... the questions attached should be: "WTF are you trying to pull, here?"

What do YOU see Menow? Is the guy using photoshop to fake this? Is this / are these lens flares or optical lens apparitions? What is your opinion?

Can you speak from your heart or is it too late in this incarnation for you? Just put Nancy Lieder and the ps ning and everything you know about that aside for a moment and answer me these simple questions above. I appreciate it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483



Lens flares- same as always, except when Nancy claims that a kite is her planet.

You're just playing dumb. I already asked you when you are going to stop trolling with this nonsense. When are you going to answer MY question?
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


Thanks for your answers. I will stop doing this when the guy actually finds out what the object really is coz this is the only thing I am interested in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


You mean you'll wait until HE admits it's not a real object? What if he just disappears, like most do, rather than admit to having been wrong?
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


That would be perfect!
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whydotheathensrage, two days ago
I am acutely aware of flares and artifacts, I can tell you this is not a flare as it is never seen through the view finder. This object also has active orb/moons around it that change with time. Ad to that the atmospheric cloud. Also, in my latest video, it appears behind the trees; and clouds,,,, Also the sun is nowhere in any of these shots. the sun is above, well out of frame. Features on the object surface are always different as you would expect with a solid planetoid.
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When I was in college I worked for a photography studio for two years as both a photographer and in photo processing. While 60% of my work involved touching up teenage acne in year book photos, another 20% involved the Photoshopping of misc. artifacts from photos. High school football games were the worst.
I suspect almost every experienced or professional photographer knows that a light source does not have to be in frame to produce a lens flare. In fact, about 95% of the lens flares I had to deal with involved light sources that were out of frame. This YouTuber seems to be oblivious to this fact, so I wouldn’t believe any claims he makes in regards to “expertise” or “experience”.

Additionally, we were always sure to proof our photos after running our auto-correct macros, as many artifacts remained hidden until properly processed. There is nothing strange about these videos. At least the segments I watched.
 Quoting: Setheory 22372062



"Features on the object surface are always different as you would expect with a solid planetoid."

What? Isn't that the opposite of what would be expected?
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


I suspect almost every experienced or professional photographer knows that a light source does not have to be in frame to produce a lens flare. In fact, about 95% of the lens flares I had to deal with involved light sources that were out of frame.

That is true. You can see many lens flare picture / movies out there where the sun isn't even close in frame. So you also say this is a lense flare?

If you rule out the sun or any other source of light reflexion as good as possible and the object stays where it is while moving the cam around a lense flare or any kind of optical lens apparitions where the sun is thr source should be avoided by doing so, right?

What is with the "Object" being behind a cloud [03:34 - 07:00] and behind a brunch [18:22 - 19:20} ?



I appreciate your answer.
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


Objects which are variously translucent can erroneously APPEAR to be in false relationships to each other- especially when the image has been specifically tweaked to cause that to happen.
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When I was in college I worked for a photography studio for two years as both a photographer and in photo processing. While 60% of my work involved touching up teenage acne in year book photos, another 20% involved the Photoshopping of misc. artifacts from photos. High school football games were the worst.
I suspect almost every experienced or professional photographer knows that a light source does not have to be in frame to produce a lens flare. In fact, about 95% of the lens flares I had to deal with involved light sources that were out of frame. This YouTuber seems to be oblivious to this fact, so I wouldn’t believe any claims he makes in regards to “expertise” or “experience”.

Additionally, we were always sure to proof our photos after running our auto-correct macros, as many artifacts remained hidden until properly processed. There is nothing strange about these videos. At least the segments I watched.
 Quoting: Setheory 22372062



"Features on the object surface are always different as you would expect with a solid planetoid."

What? Isn't that the opposite of what would be expected?
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


I suspect almost every experienced or professional photographer knows that a light source does not have to be in frame to produce a lens flare. In fact, about 95% of the lens flares I had to deal with involved light sources that were out of frame.

That is true. You can see many lens flare picture / movies out there where the sun isn't even close in frame. So you also say this is a lense flare?

If you rule out the sun or any other source of light reflexion as good as possible and the object stays where it is while moving the cam around a lense flare or any kind of optical lens apparitions where the sun is thr source should be avoided by doing so, right?

What is with the "Object" being behind a cloud [03:34 - 07:00] and behind a brunch [18:22 - 19:20} ?



I appreciate your answer.
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Objects which are variously translucent can erroneously APPEAR to be in false relationships to each other- especially when the image has been specifically tweaked to cause that to happen.
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Hm...nah sorry. I don't buy into that. It is very obvious the object is behind clouds and a solid branch. Also the object is not transluent.
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Objects which are variously translucent can erroneously APPEAR to be in false relationships to each other- especially when the image has been specifically tweaked to cause that to happen.
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Menow is right. Translucent objects can appear to be behind something even though they arent.

I tried to make a Visualisation with Paint.NET by using 3 x Layers with the TOP layer transparent.

[link to www.imagebanana.com]

Edit: [link to www.imagebanana.com] from min3:56

Im pretty certain this is a lens flare...

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"Features on the object surface are always different as you would expect with a solid planetoid."

What? Isn't that the opposite of what would be expected?
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


I suspect almost every experienced or professional photographer knows that a light source does not have to be in frame to produce a lens flare. In fact, about 95% of the lens flares I had to deal with involved light sources that were out of frame.

That is true. You can see many lens flare picture / movies out there where the sun isn't even close in frame. So you also say this is a lense flare?

If you rule out the sun or any other source of light reflexion as good as possible and the object stays where it is while moving the cam around a lense flare or any kind of optical lens apparitions where the sun is thr source should be avoided by doing so, right?

What is with the "Object" being behind a cloud [03:34 - 07:00] and behind a brunch [18:22 - 19:20} ?



I appreciate your answer.
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


Objects which are variously translucent can erroneously APPEAR to be in false relationships to each other- especially when the image has been specifically tweaked to cause that to happen.
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Hm...nah sorry. I don't buy into that. It is very obvious the object is behind clouds and a solid branch. Also the object is not transluent.
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The flare is EXTREMELY TRANSLUCENT!

THE CLOUDS ARE BRIGHTER THAN THE FLARE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS IN FRONT!

THE BRANCH IS MUCH MORE SOLID THAN THE FLARE,MAKING IT LOOK LIKE IT IS IN FRONT, you idiot! He enhanced the images INTENTIONALLY so it would appear that way!

Just give it up...
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Objects which are variously translucent can erroneously APPEAR to be in false relationships to each other- especially when the image has been specifically tweaked to cause that to happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Hm...nah sorry. I don't buy into that. It is very obvious the object is behind clouds and a solid branch. Also the object is not transluent.
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


The flare is EXTREMELY TRANSLUCENT!

THE CLOUDS ARE BRIGHTER THAN THE FLARE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS IN FRONT!

THE BRANCH IS MUCH MORE SOLID THAN THE FLARE,MAKING IT LOOK LIKE IT IS IN FRONT, you idiot! He enhanced the images INTENTIONALLY so it would appear that way!

Just give it up...
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Nice try but sorry. The object is not manipulated like you are suggesting. It is not transluent and appears behind a cloud and a branch. He admits that it could be something else though which has to be found out..
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Objects which are variously translucent can erroneously APPEAR to be in false relationships to each other- especially when the image has been specifically tweaked to cause that to happen.
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


Menow is right. Translucent objects can appear to be behind something even though they arent.

I tried to make a Visualisation with Paint.NET by using 3 x Layers with the TOP layer transparent.

[link to www.imagebanana.com]

Edit: [link to www.imagebanana.com] from min3:56

Im pretty certain this is a lens flare...
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Thats correct if I understand you correctly. I just don't see the object being transluent.
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That is true. You can see many lens flare picture / movies out there where the sun isn't even close in frame. So you also say this is a lense flare?

If you rule out the sun or any other source of light reflexion as good as possible and the object stays where it is while moving the cam around a lense flare or any kind of optical lens apparitions where the sun is thr source should be avoided by doing so, right?

What is with the "Object" being behind a cloud [03:34 - 07:00] and behind a brunch [18:22 - 19:20} ?



I appreciate your answer.
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I only watched the first couple of minutes of that video as it was almost 30 minutes long. To be fair, I'll have a look. I appreciate you giving me the times in question.
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Objects which are variously translucent can erroneously APPEAR to be in false relationships to each other- especially when the image has been specifically tweaked to cause that to happen.
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


Menow is right. Translucent objects can appear to be behind something even though they arent.

I tried to make a Visualisation with Paint.NET by using 3 x Layers with the TOP layer transparent.

[link to www.imagebanana.com]

Edit: [link to www.imagebanana.com] from min3:56

Im pretty certain this is a lens flare...
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Thats correct if I understand you correctly. I just don't see the object being transluent.
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Also he removes the teleconverter and uses a different setup starting at 19:50 - End. The object is still there at the same place although cannot be seen with the same quality as before.
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Objects which are variously translucent can erroneously APPEAR to be in false relationships to each other- especially when the image has been specifically tweaked to cause that to happen.
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


Menow is right. Translucent objects can appear to be behind something even though they arent.

I tried to make a Visualisation with Paint.NET by using 3 x Layers with the TOP layer transparent.

[link to www.imagebanana.com]

Edit: [link to www.imagebanana.com] from min3:56

Im pretty certain this is a lens flare...
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Thats correct if I understand you correctly. I just don't see the object being transluent.
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Look closely on the second image.
If it where not translucent, why are the clouds colored red in a perfect circle, in a constant reddish tone?

If it really were behind the clouds you would be seeing shades of white & gray, but they would be clear white, not reddish.

EDIT: Another strong argument against a physical planet is that by the comparison of size it would be impossible to hide this from all people around the world.
Can the moon be missed?

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