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That is true. You can see many lens flare picture / movies out there where the sun isn't even close in frame. So you also say this is a lense flare?

If you rule out the sun or any other source of light reflexion as good as possible and the object stays where it is while moving the cam around a lense flare or any kind of optical lens apparitions where the sun is thr source should be avoided by doing so, right?

What is with the "Object" being behind a cloud [03:34 - 07:00] and behind a brunch [18:22 - 19:20} ?



I appreciate your answer.
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I only watched the first couple of minutes of that video as it was almost 30 minutes long. To be fair, I'll have a look. I appreciate you giving me the times in question.
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Thank you. You might want to follow more of the discussion where eventuelly more question come up. I understand that we all just want to know what the guy really sees while putting ps ning and ZT and Nancy Lieder aside.

I appreciate your attitude towards this.
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Objects which are variously translucent can erroneously APPEAR to be in false relationships to each other- especially when the image has been specifically tweaked to cause that to happen.
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


Menow is right. Translucent objects can appear to be behind something even though they arent.

I tried to make a Visualisation with Paint.NET by using 3 x Layers with the TOP layer transparent.

[link to www.imagebanana.com]

Edit: [link to www.imagebanana.com] from min3:56

Im pretty certain this is a lens flare...
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Thats correct if I understand you correctly. I just don't see the object being transluent.
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Look closely on the second image.
If it where not translucent, why are the clouds colored red in a perfect circle, in a constant reddish tone?

If it really were behind the clouds you would be seeing shades of white & gray, but they would be clear white, not reddish.

EDIT: Another strong argument against a physical planet is that by the comparison of size it would be impossible to hide this from all people around the world.
Can the moon be missed?
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Well, I can only assume that this is the effect the filter he applies produces.

About the planet thingy: this is not so interesting for me, you know? I don't want to cling to any "believe" system of any kind. All I am asking for is that we find out what he is really seeing despite ps ning, zt and nlieder experiences in earlier times. I am also willing to watch all the movies again and raise my questions with the timeframes given where there is clearance needed.
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Well, I can only assume that this is the effect the filter he applies produces.

About the planet thingy: this is not so interesting for me, you know? I don't want to cling to any "believe" system of any kind. All I am asking for is that we find out what he is really seeing despite ps ning, zt and nlieder experiences in earlier times. I am also willing to watch all the movies again and raise my questions with the timeframes given where there is clearance needed.
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Thats fine. Here another one, which I think is the best to illustrate:

[link to www.imagebanana.com]
1-2 : clearly different cloud-colors. (Thick clouds are not transparent)
3-4 : A cloud structure that is cut by the flare.
4-6 : further clouds clearly all additonally colored by the red-overlay.
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Hm...nah sorry. I don't buy into that. It is very obvious the object is behind clouds and a solid branch. Also the object is not transluent.
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The flare is EXTREMELY TRANSLUCENT!

THE CLOUDS ARE BRIGHTER THAN THE FLARE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS IN FRONT!

THE BRANCH IS MUCH MORE SOLID THAN THE FLARE,MAKING IT LOOK LIKE IT IS IN FRONT, you idiot! He enhanced the images INTENTIONALLY so it would appear that way!

Just give it up...
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Nice try but sorry. The object is not manipulated like you are suggesting. It is not transluent and appears behind a cloud and a branch. He admits that it could be something else though which has to be found out..
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I didn't say the "OBJECT" was manipulated, you fucking moran! The IMAGE is processed to bring out the effect that he is after.. that of a REAL "OBJECT" near the sun!

Right.. a lens flare declared to be a solid object. Believe what you want.
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The flare is EXTREMELY TRANSLUCENT!

THE CLOUDS ARE BRIGHTER THAN THE FLARE, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT IS IN FRONT!

THE BRANCH IS MUCH MORE SOLID THAN THE FLARE,MAKING IT LOOK LIKE IT IS IN FRONT, you idiot! He enhanced the images INTENTIONALLY so it would appear that way!

Just give it up...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43525483


Nice try but sorry. The object is not manipulated like you are suggesting. It is not transluent and appears behind a cloud and a branch. He admits that it could be something else though which has to be found out..
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


I didn't say the "OBJECT" was manipulated, you fucking moran! The IMAGE is processed to bring out the effect that he is after.. that of a REAL "OBJECT" near the sun!

Right.. a lens flare declared to be a solid object. Believe what you want.
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"Idiot, fucking moran." Hm.. can we have a fresh start?
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Nice try but sorry. The object is not manipulated like you are suggesting. It is not transluent and appears behind a cloud and a branch. He admits that it could be something else though which has to be found out..
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


I didn't say the "OBJECT" was manipulated, you fucking moran! The IMAGE is processed to bring out the effect that he is after.. that of a REAL "OBJECT" near the sun!

Right.. a lens flare declared to be a solid object. Believe what you want.
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"Idiot, fucking moran." Hm.. can we have a fresh start?
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


No. I've had it with this idiotic nonsense, recycled over and over again, year after year.
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I didn't say the "OBJECT" was manipulated, you fucking moran! The IMAGE is processed to bring out the effect that he is after.. that of a REAL "OBJECT" near the sun!

Right.. a lens flare declared to be a solid object. Believe what you want.
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"Idiot, fucking moran." Hm.. can we have a fresh start?
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


No. I've had it with this idiotic nonsense, recycled over and over again, year after year.
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Ok, then I'll have to ignore you. Bye...
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Well, I would say the guy is opened minded and also searching for the truth. If you watch his other movies you won't find anything that leads to an artificially created lens flare or so (intentionally). I think the guy is doing a good job to find the truth. If it is a lense flare, a optical illusion, an aberration under the sun or whatever, he tries to stay honest and also reacts to critique in both ways, positive and negative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43322648

Are you sure? - Just watch this video of "Comet Elenin in broad daylight" take by him in Oct 2011:



This guy is looking for Nibiru since Sep 2011 and he finds, what he wants to find - regardless how much he has to twist the images.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Nice try but sorry. The object is not manipulated like you are suggesting. It is not transluent and appears behind a cloud and a branch. He admits that it could be something else though which has to be found out..
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


I didn't say the "OBJECT" was manipulated, you fucking moran! The IMAGE is processed to bring out the effect that he is after.. that of a REAL "OBJECT" near the sun!

Right.. a lens flare declared to be a solid object. Believe what you want.
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"Idiot, fucking moran." Hm.. can we have a fresh start?
 Quoting: Menow 42219119


The fact that people like you think(or PRETEND to think) that there is a real possibility that some guy on Youtube is exposing what would be the biggest story in the history of Mankind on Earth and that the world's astronomers might ALL be involved in hiding it is simply ludicrous beyond words.

It's a fucking lens flare... PERIOD!
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Ok, then I'll have to ignore you. Bye...
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Ohhh NOOOOOOO..... How will I ever live without your insipid, trolling questions???? Idiot!
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Well, I would say the guy is opened minded and also searching for the truth. If you watch his other movies you won't find anything that leads to an artificially created lens flare or so (intentionally). I think the guy is doing a good job to find the truth. If it is a lense flare, a optical illusion, an aberration under the sun or whatever, he tries to stay honest and also reacts to critique in both ways, positive and negative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43322648

Are you sure? - Just watch this video of "Comet Elenin in broad daylight" take by him in Oct 2011:



This guy is looking for Nibiru since Sep 2011 and he finds, what he wants to find - regardless how much he has to twist the images.

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Well, I would say the guy is opened minded and also searching for the truth. If you watch his other movies you won't find anything that leads to an artificially created lens flare or so (intentionally). I think the guy is doing a good job to find the truth. If it is a lense flare, a optical illusion, an aberration under the sun or whatever, he tries to stay honest and also reacts to critique in both ways, positive and negative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43322648

Are you sure? - Just watch this video of "Comet Elenin in broad daylight" take by him in Oct 2011:



This guy is looking for Nibiru since Sep 2011 and he finds, what he wants to find - regardless how much he has to twist the images.

.
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GAWD! putin
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Well, I would say the guy is opened minded and also searching for the truth. If you watch his other movies you won't find anything that leads to an artificially created lens flare or so (intentionally). I think the guy is doing a good job to find the truth. If it is a lense flare, a optical illusion, an aberration under the sun or whatever, he tries to stay honest and also reacts to critique in both ways, positive and negative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43322648

Are you sure? - Just watch this video of "Comet Elenin in broad daylight" take by him in Oct 2011:



This guy is looking for Nibiru since Sep 2011 and he finds, what he wants to find - regardless how much he has to twist the images.

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GAWD! putin
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Yeah. Ain't that something?

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Well, I would say the guy is opened minded and also searching for the truth. If you watch his other movies you won't find anything that leads to an artificially created lens flare or so (intentionally). I think the guy is doing a good job to find the truth. If it is a lense flare, a optical illusion, an aberration under the sun or whatever, he tries to stay honest and also reacts to critique in both ways, positive and negative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43322648

Are you sure? - Just watch this video of "Comet Elenin in broad daylight" take by him in Oct 2011:



This guy is looking for Nibiru since Sep 2011 and he finds, what he wants to find - regardless how much he has to twist the images.

.
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GAWD! putin
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Yeah. Ain't that something?

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Perfect answer, thank you. You now officially admitted that you don't know what this object is. Your only explanation is your suggestion the photographer is using photoshop to create this. Awesome.

Youtube user "whydotheathensrage" with this two videos is obviously on the right track (in case he did not photoshop this)
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He`s only causing artifical lenseflares and camera artifacts with a grapic program.
 Quoting: VeritasN1


Yep, he does that, I am pretty sure about it. The lens flares he doesn't see through the view finder are created by the software. Excellent answer Veritas, too. Let's see what he answers to questions regarding this video:



anno636, two days ago
you do realize when you point a camera at the sun because its so bright it creates a copy/false image next to the sun always and the reason its is smaller and appears to be a object beside the sun is the camera lens itself the suns light is so bright its reflecting back out from inside the camera itself and projecting the camera lens shape outwards giving you this image on the photo of two objects(the second object is a reflection of the cam lens from the suns light nothing more

whydotheathensrage, two days ago
I am acutely aware of flares and artifacts, I can tell you this is not a flare as it is never seen through the view finder. This object also has active orb/moons around it that change with time. Ad to that the atmospheric cloud. Also, in my latest video, it appears behind the trees; and clouds,,,, Also the sun is nowhere in any of these shots. the sun is above, well out of frame. Features on the object surface are always different as you would expect with a solid planetoid.

whydotheathensrage, 16 minutes ago (07/16/2013 vor 16
If this is a camera anomaly, (still in process of prove / disproving) the tricky part is that it does not show in the viewfinder, only after the picture is exposed and filtered. That said, I am still recording very strange visual aberrations under the sun. This will be the topic of my next movie. thanks for the constructive critique and input- it is always welcome.

Well, I would say the guy is opened minded and also searching for the truth. If you watch his other movies you won't find anything that leads to an artificially created lens flare or so (intentionally). I think the guy is doing a good job to find the truth. If it is a lense flare, a optical illusion, an aberration under the sun or whatever, he tries to stay honest and also reacts to critique in both ways, positive and negative. I like his attitude..





Well, Hydra said he has 40 years of experience as a photographer and almost 30 years as an amatuer astronomer yet the only answer he gave (and now you too, Veritas) is that the guy in the video uses photoshop to manipulate or to create lens flares or whatever you mean by that, hence this is not a lens flare nor are these optical lens apparitions of any kind. It must be photoshoped, you say!

Just saying...
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Well, I just woke up and recognized that he could simply make a photo from above the sun at the same angle he makes them below the sun. Is the object still there = lense flare optical lens apparition or whatever is created in or outside the cam for example. If NOT all of the above would need more investigation.
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And IDW/A.A sneaks back in...

Thread: REALTIVITY FINALLY DISQUALIFIED BY MAINSTREAM SCIENCE! BREAKING NEWS! (Page 60)

He's schooling everyone in the Chandler Wobble -- even though it says on his reference (which he didn't link) that the North Star will remain so for centuries, which directly contradicts his own claims...

Sigh.
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And IDW/A.A sneaks back in...

Thread: REALTIVITY FINALLY DISQUALIFIED BY MAINSTREAM SCIENCE! BREAKING NEWS! (Page 60)

He's schooling everyone in the Chandler Wobble -- even though it says on his reference (which he didn't link) that the North Star will remain so for centuries, which directly contradicts his own claims...

Sigh.
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Even that's not cheering me up today.....:((
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Well, I would say the guy is opened minded and also searching for the truth. If you watch his other movies you won't find anything that leads to an artificially created lens flare or so (intentionally). I think the guy is doing a good job to find the truth. If it is a lense flare, a optical illusion, an aberration under the sun or whatever, he tries to stay honest and also reacts to critique in both ways, positive and negative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43322648

Are you sure? - Just watch this video of "Comet Elenin in broad daylight" take by him in Oct 2011:



This guy is looking for Nibiru since Sep 2011 and he finds, what he wants to find - regardless how much he has to twist the images.

.
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Oh my godness, ... what a wacko. And such a moron calls himself an experienced photographer. We only see here a bloody idiot who has no clue about using graphic programmes. So he`s making his own planets with zoom lenseflares and artefacts.
A very bad fake!!!!!!!!!!!

Too bad that crazy Nancy swallowed this bullshit and thought she could use that crapola to announce her 8 out of 10. And this after her 7 out of 10 was an epic fail. But for the poor cult people these lenseflares are always half magic cause they understand nothing. Some of these wackos even admire Flareberto`s floppy lenseflares. That`s pretty the same stuff we can see here. Most graphic programmes are producing zoom objects I even remember that some time ago a Ningtard (or was it another tard) thought he found an ufo looking like a clinical thermometer under the sun ...it was an autofinding tool of the graphic programme of course ...

Gertard should close the Ning and stop this ridiculous fraud.
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... was here ...that was my entry above ....
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"Idiot, fucking moran." Hm.. can we have a fresh start?
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Ok, right from the first time you tried to walk you discover gravity, stop, wobble, plop on your bum, right ?

At some point in your childhood you have swung something around on a bit of string, right ?

You understand if you drop a coin it falls to the ground, right ?

You know that the sun is really, really, really hot, right ?

So what stops you mythical planet from dropping into the sun ?

what stops it from vaporizing down to bed rock ?

Easy, it's a myth from the not too fertile imagination of one Nancy Lieder...
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"Idiot, fucking moran." Hm.. can we have a fresh start?
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Ok, right from the first time you tried to walk you discover gravity, stop, wobble, plop on your bum, right ?

At some point in your childhood you have swung something around on a bit of string, right ?

You understand if you drop a coin it falls to the ground, right ?

You know that the sun is really, really, really hot, right ?

So what stops you mythical planet from dropping into the sun ?

what stops it from vaporizing down to bed rock ?

Easy, it's a myth from the not too fertile imagination of one Nancy Lieder...
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So what does the guy see on his pictures in your opinion prof-rabbit nli, coz that's all I care for right now. Lense flares intentionally created by him with photoshop, optical lens apparitions, any other optical illusion inside the cam?
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Yes, this guy is really funny. He`s definitely no expert in astronomy and photography: that`s for sure. First of all he uses Adope Photoshop Lightroom 3 (+1000 for Hydra), a great program which of course has no infrared sensor in it. He`s always talking about effects and filters which can only be a bad joke. He really seems to think his camera can depict electromagnetic waves. This is wrong. Photoshop also doesn`t use any magnetic sensors, the blockhead overestimates his graphic program.

He`s just manipulating the pictures with different effects, filters and zoom settings. So all kinds of lenseflares and artifacts appear in his “work”. Besides that his camera can`t show the atmosphere of a planet so close to the sun. All these things don`t appear on the original pic. They are added by the graphic program.

This is also the reason why his hoaxy objects are changing so fast within certain frames and exposures.

But like all hoaxers and barefoot-followers he makes one epic mistake in his work. If you take a closer look at his so called “object”, you will soon find out that it`s transparent. The other artifacts can be seen through the lenseflare. When he changes his filters this effect partially disappears and the lenseflare looks like a real object though we are talking about the same stupid lenseflare.

I`m not surprised that this guy wanted to find Elenin on a standard astronomic program by using an abnormal zoom filter. He doesn`t have the slightest idea what he is talking about.

Just take a closer look at the first minutes of his clip. His so called “planet” (lenseflare) is lucent.

The funny thing is that people like Nancy Liar who try to exploit the gullible are so often fooled by others who have the same target group. Good night 8/10, good night Nancytalk!

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Yes, this guy is really funny. He`s definitely no expert in astronomy and photography: that`s for sure. First of all he uses Adope Photoshop Lightroom 3 (+1000 for Hydra), a great program which of course has no infrared sensor in it. He`s always talking about effects and filters which can only be a bad joke. He really seems to think his camera can depict electromagnetic waves. This is wrong. Photoshop also doesn`t use any magnetic sensors, the blockhead overestimates his graphic program.

He`s just manipulating the pictures with different effects, filters and zoom settings. So all kinds of lenseflares and artifacts appear in his “work”. Besides that his camera can`t show the atmosphere of a planet so close to the sun. All these things don`t appear on the original pic. They are added by the graphic program.

This is also the reason why his hoaxy objects are changing so fast within certain frames and exposures.

But like all hoaxers and barefoot-followers he makes one epic mistake in his work. If you take a closer look at his so called “object”, you will soon find out that it`s transparent. The other artifacts can be seen through the lenseflare. When he changes his filters this effect partially disappears and the lenseflare looks like a real object though we are talking about the same stupid lenseflare.

I`m not surprised that this guy wanted to find Elenin on a standard astronomic program by using an abnormal zoom filter. He doesn`t have the slightest idea what he is talking about.

Just take a closer look at the first minutes of his clip. His so called “planet” (lenseflare) is lucent.

The funny thing is that people like Nancy Liar who try to exploit the gullible are so often fooled by others who have the same target group. Good night 8/10, good night Nancytalk!
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What I was thinking is that the form of the "planet" looked like the animation of "Irisblende des Olympus Zuiko 1:1,8/50" at the right side of this page. For whatever reason it might be some internal cam artefact which is recorded in these pictures. I don't believe he is knowing or doing this intentionally and I really have no idea if it is even possible to see something like that in a picture.

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Yes, this guy is really funny. He`s definitely no expert in astronomy and photography: that`s for sure. First of all he uses Adope Photoshop Lightroom 3 (+1000 for Hydra), a great program which of course has no infrared sensor in it. He`s always talking about effects and filters which can only be a bad joke. He really seems to think his camera can depict electromagnetic waves. This is wrong. Photoshop also doesn`t use any magnetic sensors, the blockhead overestimates his graphic program.

He`s just manipulating the pictures with different effects, filters and zoom settings. So all kinds of lenseflares and artifacts appear in his “work”. Besides that his camera can`t show the atmosphere of a planet so close to the sun. All these things don`t appear on the original pic. They are added by the graphic program.

This is also the reason why his hoaxy objects are changing so fast within certain frames and exposures.

But like all hoaxers and barefoot-followers he makes one epic mistake in his work. If you take a closer look at his so called “object”, you will soon find out that it`s transparent. The other artifacts can be seen through the lenseflare. When he changes his filters this effect partially disappears and the lenseflare looks like a real object though we are talking about the same stupid lenseflare.

I`m not surprised that this guy wanted to find Elenin on a standard astronomic program by using an abnormal zoom filter. He doesn`t have the slightest idea what he is talking about.

Just take a closer look at the first minutes of his clip. His so called “planet” (lenseflare) is lucent.

The funny thing is that people like Nancy Liar who try to exploit the gullible are so often fooled by others who have the same target group. Good night 8/10, good night Nancytalk!
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What I was thinking is that the form of the "planet" looked like the animation of "Irisblende des Olympus Zuiko 1:1,8/50" at the right side of this page. For whatever reason it might be some internal cam artefact which is recorded in these pictures. I don't believe he is knowing or doing this intentionally and I really have no idea if it is even possible to see something like that in a picture.

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He ignores or spins anything which would prove him wrong. It's called "willful ignorance" coupled with "confirmation bias" = I HAVE MADE A GRANDE DISCOVERY!!!!
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Great summation Menow :) lovely to *see* you :))
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Congrats, you`ve discovered a lenseflare: how great?

Sounds like he`s really surprised to see some cars on the roads, as he lives in hillbilly land. Next week he will make a new clip and tell us that he invented the cars. On youtube you can be both a real Albert Lensestone and a total moron.
Does that sound like he lives in Nancyland?`

YES..!!


But as there are no roads and 0s in Nancyland such weird ideas are common for bigots and idiots.

But living in a cult isn`t always healthy.

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It would be so easy for him to make pictures somewhere to the left, the right or on top of the sun. If the "object" stays in these photos at the same place it must be something inside the cam, some artefact. If it moves around it is a lense flare.

But what if not? What if he makes a photo on top of the sun and the object disappears and what if he is not using photoshop to "create" lense flares?

Let's see what comes next. I have seen he has improved his videos over the time...
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If it moves around it is a lense flare.
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Not neccessarily.
If you use a floppy you can create stationary lens flares which will only move if you change the angle between floppy and camera lens.
The point is not the floppy, but the fact that any additional layers (a camera alone has a few) will produce reflection/refraction
[link to www.youtube.com] ( I made this video during my expose )

It is no doubt a lens flare what the guy caught.

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If it moves around it is a lense flare.
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Not neccessarily.
If you use a floppy you can create stationary lens flares which will only move if you change the angle between floppy and camera lens.
The point is not the floppy, but the fact that any additional layers (a camera alone has a few) will produce reflection/refraction
[link to www.youtube.com] ( I made this video during my expose )

It is no doubt a lens flare what the guy caught.
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Yep, true. I produced flares on my own on several smartphones like you did...

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