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Well, I would say the guy is opened minded and also searching for the truth. If you watch his other movies you won't find anything that leads to an artificially created lens flare or so (intentionally). I think the guy is doing a good job to find the truth. If it is a lense flare, a optical illusion, an aberration under the sun or whatever, he tries to stay honest and also reacts to critique in both ways, positive and negative.
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Are you sure? - Just watch this video of "Comet Elenin in broad daylight" take by him in Oct 2011:



This guy is looking for Nibiru since Sep 2011 and he finds, what he wants to find - regardless how much he has to twist the images.

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Yeah. Ain't that something?

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Well, I would say the guy is opened minded and also searching for the truth. If you watch his other movies you won't find anything that leads to an artificially created lens flare or so (intentionally). I think the guy is doing a good job to find the truth. If it is a lense flare, a optical illusion, an aberration under the sun or whatever, he tries to stay honest and also reacts to critique in both ways, positive and negative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43322648

Are you sure? - Just watch this video of "Comet Elenin in broad daylight" take by him in Oct 2011:



This guy is looking for Nibiru since Sep 2011 and he finds, what he wants to find - regardless how much he has to twist the images.

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GAWD! putin
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Yeah. Ain't that something?

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Perfect answer, thank you. You now officially admitted that you don't know what this object is. Your only explanation is your suggestion the photographer is using photoshop to create this. Awesome.

Youtube user "whydotheathensrage" with this two videos is obviously on the right track (in case he did not photoshop this)
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He`s only causing artifical lenseflares and camera artifacts with a grapic program.
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Yep, he does that, I am pretty sure about it. The lens flares he doesn't see through the view finder are created by the software. Excellent answer Veritas, too. Let's see what he answers to questions regarding this video:



anno636, two days ago
you do realize when you point a camera at the sun because its so bright it creates a copy/false image next to the sun always and the reason its is smaller and appears to be a object beside the sun is the camera lens itself the suns light is so bright its reflecting back out from inside the camera itself and projecting the camera lens shape outwards giving you this image on the photo of two objects(the second object is a reflection of the cam lens from the suns light nothing more

whydotheathensrage, two days ago
I am acutely aware of flares and artifacts, I can tell you this is not a flare as it is never seen through the view finder. This object also has active orb/moons around it that change with time. Ad to that the atmospheric cloud. Also, in my latest video, it appears behind the trees; and clouds,,,, Also the sun is nowhere in any of these shots. the sun is above, well out of frame. Features on the object surface are always different as you would expect with a solid planetoid.

whydotheathensrage, 16 minutes ago (07/16/2013 vor 16
If this is a camera anomaly, (still in process of prove / disproving) the tricky part is that it does not show in the viewfinder, only after the picture is exposed and filtered. That said, I am still recording very strange visual aberrations under the sun. This will be the topic of my next movie. thanks for the constructive critique and input- it is always welcome.

Well, I would say the guy is opened minded and also searching for the truth. If you watch his other movies you won't find anything that leads to an artificially created lens flare or so (intentionally). I think the guy is doing a good job to find the truth. If it is a lense flare, a optical illusion, an aberration under the sun or whatever, he tries to stay honest and also reacts to critique in both ways, positive and negative. I like his attitude..





Well, Hydra said he has 40 years of experience as a photographer and almost 30 years as an amatuer astronomer yet the only answer he gave (and now you too, Veritas) is that the guy in the video uses photoshop to manipulate or to create lens flares or whatever you mean by that, hence this is not a lens flare nor are these optical lens apparitions of any kind. It must be photoshoped, you say!

Just saying...
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Well, I just woke up and recognized that he could simply make a photo from above the sun at the same angle he makes them below the sun. Is the object still there = lense flare optical lens apparition or whatever is created in or outside the cam for example. If NOT all of the above would need more investigation.
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And IDW/A.A sneaks back in...

Thread: REALTIVITY FINALLY DISQUALIFIED BY MAINSTREAM SCIENCE! BREAKING NEWS! (Page 60)

He's schooling everyone in the Chandler Wobble -- even though it says on his reference (which he didn't link) that the North Star will remain so for centuries, which directly contradicts his own claims...

Sigh.
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And IDW/A.A sneaks back in...

Thread: REALTIVITY FINALLY DISQUALIFIED BY MAINSTREAM SCIENCE! BREAKING NEWS! (Page 60)

He's schooling everyone in the Chandler Wobble -- even though it says on his reference (which he didn't link) that the North Star will remain so for centuries, which directly contradicts his own claims...

Sigh.
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Even that's not cheering me up today.....:((
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Well, I would say the guy is opened minded and also searching for the truth. If you watch his other movies you won't find anything that leads to an artificially created lens flare or so (intentionally). I think the guy is doing a good job to find the truth. If it is a lense flare, a optical illusion, an aberration under the sun or whatever, he tries to stay honest and also reacts to critique in both ways, positive and negative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43322648

Are you sure? - Just watch this video of "Comet Elenin in broad daylight" take by him in Oct 2011:



This guy is looking for Nibiru since Sep 2011 and he finds, what he wants to find - regardless how much he has to twist the images.

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Oh my godness, ... what a wacko. And such a moron calls himself an experienced photographer. We only see here a bloody idiot who has no clue about using graphic programmes. So he`s making his own planets with zoom lenseflares and artefacts.
A very bad fake!!!!!!!!!!!

Too bad that crazy Nancy swallowed this bullshit and thought she could use that crapola to announce her 8 out of 10. And this after her 7 out of 10 was an epic fail. But for the poor cult people these lenseflares are always half magic cause they understand nothing. Some of these wackos even admire Flareberto`s floppy lenseflares. That`s pretty the same stuff we can see here. Most graphic programmes are producing zoom objects I even remember that some time ago a Ningtard (or was it another tard) thought he found an ufo looking like a clinical thermometer under the sun ...it was an autofinding tool of the graphic programme of course ...

Gertard should close the Ning and stop this ridiculous fraud.
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... was here ...that was my entry above ....
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"Idiot, fucking moran." Hm.. can we have a fresh start?
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Ok, right from the first time you tried to walk you discover gravity, stop, wobble, plop on your bum, right ?

At some point in your childhood you have swung something around on a bit of string, right ?

You understand if you drop a coin it falls to the ground, right ?

You know that the sun is really, really, really hot, right ?

So what stops you mythical planet from dropping into the sun ?

what stops it from vaporizing down to bed rock ?

Easy, it's a myth from the not too fertile imagination of one Nancy Lieder...
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"Idiot, fucking moran." Hm.. can we have a fresh start?
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Ok, right from the first time you tried to walk you discover gravity, stop, wobble, plop on your bum, right ?

At some point in your childhood you have swung something around on a bit of string, right ?

You understand if you drop a coin it falls to the ground, right ?

You know that the sun is really, really, really hot, right ?

So what stops you mythical planet from dropping into the sun ?

what stops it from vaporizing down to bed rock ?

Easy, it's a myth from the not too fertile imagination of one Nancy Lieder...
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So what does the guy see on his pictures in your opinion prof-rabbit nli, coz that's all I care for right now. Lense flares intentionally created by him with photoshop, optical lens apparitions, any other optical illusion inside the cam?
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Yes, this guy is really funny. He`s definitely no expert in astronomy and photography: that`s for sure. First of all he uses Adope Photoshop Lightroom 3 (+1000 for Hydra), a great program which of course has no infrared sensor in it. He`s always talking about effects and filters which can only be a bad joke. He really seems to think his camera can depict electromagnetic waves. This is wrong. Photoshop also doesn`t use any magnetic sensors, the blockhead overestimates his graphic program.

He`s just manipulating the pictures with different effects, filters and zoom settings. So all kinds of lenseflares and artifacts appear in his “work”. Besides that his camera can`t show the atmosphere of a planet so close to the sun. All these things don`t appear on the original pic. They are added by the graphic program.

This is also the reason why his hoaxy objects are changing so fast within certain frames and exposures.

But like all hoaxers and barefoot-followers he makes one epic mistake in his work. If you take a closer look at his so called “object”, you will soon find out that it`s transparent. The other artifacts can be seen through the lenseflare. When he changes his filters this effect partially disappears and the lenseflare looks like a real object though we are talking about the same stupid lenseflare.

I`m not surprised that this guy wanted to find Elenin on a standard astronomic program by using an abnormal zoom filter. He doesn`t have the slightest idea what he is talking about.

Just take a closer look at the first minutes of his clip. His so called “planet” (lenseflare) is lucent.

The funny thing is that people like Nancy Liar who try to exploit the gullible are so often fooled by others who have the same target group. Good night 8/10, good night Nancytalk!

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Yes, this guy is really funny. He`s definitely no expert in astronomy and photography: that`s for sure. First of all he uses Adope Photoshop Lightroom 3 (+1000 for Hydra), a great program which of course has no infrared sensor in it. He`s always talking about effects and filters which can only be a bad joke. He really seems to think his camera can depict electromagnetic waves. This is wrong. Photoshop also doesn`t use any magnetic sensors, the blockhead overestimates his graphic program.

He`s just manipulating the pictures with different effects, filters and zoom settings. So all kinds of lenseflares and artifacts appear in his “work”. Besides that his camera can`t show the atmosphere of a planet so close to the sun. All these things don`t appear on the original pic. They are added by the graphic program.

This is also the reason why his hoaxy objects are changing so fast within certain frames and exposures.

But like all hoaxers and barefoot-followers he makes one epic mistake in his work. If you take a closer look at his so called “object”, you will soon find out that it`s transparent. The other artifacts can be seen through the lenseflare. When he changes his filters this effect partially disappears and the lenseflare looks like a real object though we are talking about the same stupid lenseflare.

I`m not surprised that this guy wanted to find Elenin on a standard astronomic program by using an abnormal zoom filter. He doesn`t have the slightest idea what he is talking about.

Just take a closer look at the first minutes of his clip. His so called “planet” (lenseflare) is lucent.

The funny thing is that people like Nancy Liar who try to exploit the gullible are so often fooled by others who have the same target group. Good night 8/10, good night Nancytalk!
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What I was thinking is that the form of the "planet" looked like the animation of "Irisblende des Olympus Zuiko 1:1,8/50" at the right side of this page. For whatever reason it might be some internal cam artefact which is recorded in these pictures. I don't believe he is knowing or doing this intentionally and I really have no idea if it is even possible to see something like that in a picture.

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Your brain can make sense of any picture, however misleading.
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Yes, this guy is really funny. He`s definitely no expert in astronomy and photography: that`s for sure. First of all he uses Adope Photoshop Lightroom 3 (+1000 for Hydra), a great program which of course has no infrared sensor in it. He`s always talking about effects and filters which can only be a bad joke. He really seems to think his camera can depict electromagnetic waves. This is wrong. Photoshop also doesn`t use any magnetic sensors, the blockhead overestimates his graphic program.

He`s just manipulating the pictures with different effects, filters and zoom settings. So all kinds of lenseflares and artifacts appear in his “work”. Besides that his camera can`t show the atmosphere of a planet so close to the sun. All these things don`t appear on the original pic. They are added by the graphic program.

This is also the reason why his hoaxy objects are changing so fast within certain frames and exposures.

But like all hoaxers and barefoot-followers he makes one epic mistake in his work. If you take a closer look at his so called “object”, you will soon find out that it`s transparent. The other artifacts can be seen through the lenseflare. When he changes his filters this effect partially disappears and the lenseflare looks like a real object though we are talking about the same stupid lenseflare.

I`m not surprised that this guy wanted to find Elenin on a standard astronomic program by using an abnormal zoom filter. He doesn`t have the slightest idea what he is talking about.

Just take a closer look at the first minutes of his clip. His so called “planet” (lenseflare) is lucent.

The funny thing is that people like Nancy Liar who try to exploit the gullible are so often fooled by others who have the same target group. Good night 8/10, good night Nancytalk!
 Quoting: VeritasN1


What I was thinking is that the form of the "planet" looked like the animation of "Irisblende des Olympus Zuiko 1:1,8/50" at the right side of this page. For whatever reason it might be some internal cam artefact which is recorded in these pictures. I don't believe he is knowing or doing this intentionally and I really have no idea if it is even possible to see something like that in a picture.

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He ignores or spins anything which would prove him wrong. It's called "willful ignorance" coupled with "confirmation bias" = I HAVE MADE A GRANDE DISCOVERY!!!!
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Great summation Menow :) lovely to *see* you :))
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Congrats, you`ve discovered a lenseflare: how great?

Sounds like he`s really surprised to see some cars on the roads, as he lives in hillbilly land. Next week he will make a new clip and tell us that he invented the cars. On youtube you can be both a real Albert Lensestone and a total moron.
Does that sound like he lives in Nancyland?`

YES..!!


But as there are no roads and 0s in Nancyland such weird ideas are common for bigots and idiots.

But living in a cult isn`t always healthy.

;)

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It would be so easy for him to make pictures somewhere to the left, the right or on top of the sun. If the "object" stays in these photos at the same place it must be something inside the cam, some artefact. If it moves around it is a lense flare.

But what if not? What if he makes a photo on top of the sun and the object disappears and what if he is not using photoshop to "create" lense flares?

Let's see what comes next. I have seen he has improved his videos over the time...
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If it moves around it is a lense flare.
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Not neccessarily.
If you use a floppy you can create stationary lens flares which will only move if you change the angle between floppy and camera lens.
The point is not the floppy, but the fact that any additional layers (a camera alone has a few) will produce reflection/refraction
[link to www.youtube.com] ( I made this video during my expose )

It is no doubt a lens flare what the guy caught.

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If it moves around it is a lense flare.
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Not neccessarily.
If you use a floppy you can create stationary lens flares which will only move if you change the angle between floppy and camera lens.
The point is not the floppy, but the fact that any additional layers (a camera alone has a few) will produce reflection/refraction
[link to www.youtube.com] ( I made this video during my expose )

It is no doubt a lens flare what the guy caught.
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Yep, true. I produced flares on my own on several smartphones like you did...

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Yep, true. I produced flares on my own on several smartphones like you did...

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Well, we're coming up on yet another anniversary of another failed prediction. On July 21, it will have been 10 years since Nancy stated on Coast to Coast AM that we only had "weeks NOT months" before the dreaded "pole shift" would wipe out 90% of life on Earth. Hmmmm...that was 120 months ago. An amount of time we weren't supposed to have the luxury of living through. I'd love to bring that little tidbit up on the ning...especially considering she made that statement POST "white lie" so she can't claim the statement was part of that.

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Well, we're coming up on yet another anniversary of another failed prediction. On July 21, it will have been 10 years since Nancy stated on Coast to Coast AM that we only had "weeks NOT months" before the dreaded "pole shift" would wipe out 90% of life on Earth. Hmmmm...that was 120 months ago. An amount of time we weren't supposed to have the luxury of living through. I'd love to bring that little tidbit up on the ning...especially considering she made that statement POST "white lie" so she can't claim the statement was part of that.
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The "WHITE LIE" covers all sins, don't you know? It means that any time "Zetas" are wrong, they get to say: "I meant to do that!".

Heh... chuckle
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LOL ... wakeupneener2

But more than 15 years later even the last Ningtards should know it better and understand that crazy Nancy lies whenever she opens her mouth ...

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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?

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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?


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Not Nibiru. That's for sure...
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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?


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It's a massive government conspiracy to get all the stupid nibiru believers to move inland leaving all the beautiful, expensive coastal areas to the intelligent ones ;)). This is obviously not a serious comment.
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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?


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It's a massive government conspiracy to get all the stupid nibiru believers to move inland leaving all the beautiful, expensive coastal areas to the intelligent ones ;)). This is obviously not a serious comment.
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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?


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Hey I hope you won't panic based on such Youtube videos..

Don't forget that if it were a physical planet MILLIONS...
(well you know how the sentence continues, don't you?)


So it either may be lensflares, lens flares produced from other sources or other type of reflections...

In ANY case we can however say:

THIS CANNOT BE A PHYSICAL PLANET... and I guess we don't need to ask about the credibility of this Youtuber either...

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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?


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Hey I hope you won't panic based on such Youtube videos..

Don't forget that if it were a physical planet MILLIONS...
(well you know how the sentence continues, don't you?)


So it either may be lensflares, lens flares produced from other sources or other type of reflections...

In ANY case we can however say:

THIS CANNOT BE A PHYSICAL PLANET... and I guess we don't need to ask about the credibility of this Youtuber either...
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Not panicking at all, just interested. I go with what you said:

So it either may be lensflares, lens flares produced from other sources or other type of reflections...
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But still interesting...
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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?


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The lenseflares of this funny guy are getting worse and worse. Let`s be honest! If this object was real it would be visible for everybody. You only have to look at the sheer size of it. It appears to be far bigger than the moon and seems to be so close over the trees that nobody could miss it.

This guy is for sure not an experienced photographer as he falls for all kinds of lenseflares. He even manipulates them with his annoying filters and various zoom effects so that he makes more and more lenseflares.

But for Nancy Liar and her last Ningtards such objects are a big cinema and the real deal. Nancy`s problem is that she also has not the slightest clue about astronomy. Hence her so called Zetas are bloody amateurs too because they only exist in her head. Nancy`s latest scam attacks are so easy to detect and to debunk that it`s slowly getting boring. The Ningtards on the poleshit.ning.com really must be the ultimate tards to believe into such a crap. Whenever I read there or see Flareberto`s latest lenseflare attacks I have to ask myself:"How stupid can some individuals get in a cult?"

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Hey Katche, sorry that Nancy declined your question...
She closely follows the progress on this thread so it shouldn't be a suprise that she doesn't want to adress this guys images given his already bad reputation over here.

She tries to avoid making obvious mistakes.

Dear Nancy - would the STO Zetas care to explain the object starting to be seen at 06:00 and very dramatic appearance starting at 10:49. The person uses a retrofitted cam which is working in the infrared spectrum. He is also covering up the sun with his thumb. Is this the DarkTwin? If not what is it? Thanks
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I'm going to move this to the Planet X Photos blog. It's not the Dark Twin as he is looking directly at the Sun! It's another Moon Swirls but due to the heat signatures and the like that he is trying to view with, it looks like that, dark. This guy is being leaned on and has ZERO backbone, apparently.
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