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Yep, true. I produced flares on my own on several smartphones like you did...

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Well, we're coming up on yet another anniversary of another failed prediction. On July 21, it will have been 10 years since Nancy stated on Coast to Coast AM that we only had "weeks NOT months" before the dreaded "pole shift" would wipe out 90% of life on Earth. Hmmmm...that was 120 months ago. An amount of time we weren't supposed to have the luxury of living through. I'd love to bring that little tidbit up on the ning...especially considering she made that statement POST "white lie" so she can't claim the statement was part of that.

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Well, we're coming up on yet another anniversary of another failed prediction. On July 21, it will have been 10 years since Nancy stated on Coast to Coast AM that we only had "weeks NOT months" before the dreaded "pole shift" would wipe out 90% of life on Earth. Hmmmm...that was 120 months ago. An amount of time we weren't supposed to have the luxury of living through. I'd love to bring that little tidbit up on the ning...especially considering she made that statement POST "white lie" so she can't claim the statement was part of that.
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The "WHITE LIE" covers all sins, don't you know? It means that any time "Zetas" are wrong, they get to say: "I meant to do that!".

Heh... chuckle
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LOL ... wakeupneener2

But more than 15 years later even the last Ningtards should know it better and understand that crazy Nancy lies whenever she opens her mouth ...

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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?

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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?


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Not Nibiru. That's for sure...
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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?


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It's a massive government conspiracy to get all the stupid nibiru believers to move inland leaving all the beautiful, expensive coastal areas to the intelligent ones ;)). This is obviously not a serious comment.
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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?


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It's a massive government conspiracy to get all the stupid nibiru believers to move inland leaving all the beautiful, expensive coastal areas to the intelligent ones ;)). This is obviously not a serious comment.
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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?


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Hey I hope you won't panic based on such Youtube videos..

Don't forget that if it were a physical planet MILLIONS...
(well you know how the sentence continues, don't you?)


So it either may be lensflares, lens flares produced from other sources or other type of reflections...

In ANY case we can however say:

THIS CANNOT BE A PHYSICAL PLANET... and I guess we don't need to ask about the credibility of this Youtuber either...

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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?


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Hey I hope you won't panic based on such Youtube videos..

Don't forget that if it were a physical planet MILLIONS...
(well you know how the sentence continues, don't you?)


So it either may be lensflares, lens flares produced from other sources or other type of reflections...

In ANY case we can however say:

THIS CANNOT BE A PHYSICAL PLANET... and I guess we don't need to ask about the credibility of this Youtuber either...
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Not panicking at all, just interested. I go with what you said:

So it either may be lensflares, lens flares produced from other sources or other type of reflections...
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But still interesting...
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What the heck is that? Look at 10:40 something, what is this? Hydra? Astro? Do you see this thing in your telescopes?


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The lenseflares of this funny guy are getting worse and worse. Let`s be honest! If this object was real it would be visible for everybody. You only have to look at the sheer size of it. It appears to be far bigger than the moon and seems to be so close over the trees that nobody could miss it.

This guy is for sure not an experienced photographer as he falls for all kinds of lenseflares. He even manipulates them with his annoying filters and various zoom effects so that he makes more and more lenseflares.

But for Nancy Liar and her last Ningtards such objects are a big cinema and the real deal. Nancy`s problem is that she also has not the slightest clue about astronomy. Hence her so called Zetas are bloody amateurs too because they only exist in her head. Nancy`s latest scam attacks are so easy to detect and to debunk that it`s slowly getting boring. The Ningtards on the poleshit.ning.com really must be the ultimate tards to believe into such a crap. Whenever I read there or see Flareberto`s latest lenseflare attacks I have to ask myself:"How stupid can some individuals get in a cult?"

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Hey Katche, sorry that Nancy declined your question...
She closely follows the progress on this thread so it shouldn't be a suprise that she doesn't want to adress this guys images given his already bad reputation over here.

She tries to avoid making obvious mistakes.

Dear Nancy - would the STO Zetas care to explain the object starting to be seen at 06:00 and very dramatic appearance starting at 10:49. The person uses a retrofitted cam which is working in the infrared spectrum. He is also covering up the sun with his thumb. Is this the DarkTwin? If not what is it? Thanks
[link to www.youtube.com]
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I'm going to move this to the Planet X Photos blog. It's not the Dark Twin as he is looking directly at the Sun! It's another Moon Swirls but due to the heat signatures and the like that he is trying to view with, it looks like that, dark. This guy is being leaned on and has ZERO backbone, apparently.
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Hey Katche, sorry that Nancy declined your question...
She closely follows the progress on this thread so it shouldn't be a suprise that she doesn't want to adress this guys images given his already bad reputation over here.

She tries to avoid making obvious mistakes.

Dear Nancy - would the STO Zetas care to explain the object starting to be seen at 06:00 and very dramatic appearance starting at 10:49. The person uses a retrofitted cam which is working in the infrared spectrum. He is also covering up the sun with his thumb. Is this the DarkTwin? If not what is it? Thanks
[link to www.youtube.com]
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I'm going to move this to the Planet X Photos blog. It's not the Dark Twin as he is looking directly at the Sun! It's another Moon Swirls but due to the heat signatures and the like that he is trying to view with, it looks like that, dark. This guy is being leaned on and has ZERO backbone, apparently.
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Link: [link to poleshift] dot ning dot com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-july-27-2013
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these people that keep watching the youtube videos and believing them must be seriously disabled or very obese that they can't get outside to look up at the sun with proper eye protection to see for themselves that there isnt anything looming next to the sun.
Seriously these individuals that keep posting youtube garbage of nothing but lens flares, then using photoshop or other photo enhancing software that picks up dust and scratches off the lens and makes it into anomaly to amuse the eyes. The lens in alot of camera today use dirt cheap materials that are distorted because of the process used to achieve the finished product. If anything is mass produced there will be defects. That being said those who are watching you tube "nutbeerooh" get off your ass and go outside and look for your self stop being lead like like cattle to a slaughter.
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Hey Katche, sorry that Nancy declined your question...
She closely follows the progress on this thread so it shouldn't be a suprise that she doesn't want to adress this guys images given his already bad reputation over here.

She tries to avoid making obvious mistakes.

Dear Nancy - would the STO Zetas care to explain the object starting to be seen at 06:00 and very dramatic appearance starting at 10:49. The person uses a retrofitted cam which is working in the infrared spectrum. He is also covering up the sun with his thumb. Is this the DarkTwin? If not what is it? Thanks
[link to www.youtube.com]
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I'm going to move this to the Planet X Photos blog. It's not the Dark Twin as he is looking directly at the Sun! It's another Moon Swirls but due to the heat signatures and the like that he is trying to view with, it looks like that, dark. This guy is being leaned on and has ZERO backbone, apparently.
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 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


these people that keep watching the youtube videos and believing them must be seriously disabled or very obese that they can't get outside to look up at the sun with proper eye protection to see for themselves that there isnt anything looming next to the sun.
Seriously these individuals that keep posting youtube garbage of nothing but lens flares, then using photoshop or other photo enhancing software that picks up dust and scratches off the lens and makes it into anomaly to amuse the eyes. The lens in alot of camera today use dirt cheap materials that are distorted because of the process used to achieve the finished product. If anything is mass produced there will be defects. That being said those who are watching you tube "nutbeerooh" get off your ass and go outside and look for your self stop being lead like like cattle to a slaughter.
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Yup.. but then there is this inner desire to find confirmation for a scenario that appears comfortable..

Would it suffice to face reality which implies earth will have a slowly crippling death?
Would it suffice to face the fact that life is in our hands and we can change our fate?

NOPE!
Confirmation-bias is stronger! (After all, maybe if you believe strong enough into it, it will manifest itself?)


Oh well..Denial is a bitch.
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Hey Katche, sorry that Nancy declined your question...
She closely follows the progress on this thread so it shouldn't be a suprise that she doesn't want to adress this guys images given his already bad reputation over here.

She tries to avoid making obvious mistakes.

Dear Nancy - would the STO Zetas care to explain the object starting to be seen at 06:00 and very dramatic appearance starting at 10:49. The person uses a retrofitted cam which is working in the infrared spectrum. He is also covering up the sun with his thumb. Is this the DarkTwin? If not what is it? Thanks
[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Katche


I'm going to move this to the Planet X Photos blog. It's not the Dark Twin as he is looking directly at the Sun! It's another Moon Swirls but due to the heat signatures and the like that he is trying to view with, it looks like that, dark. This guy is being leaned on and has ZERO backbone, apparently.
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Link: [link to poleshift] dot ning dot com/forum/topics/zetatalk-chat-for-july-27-2013
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


these people that keep watching the youtube videos and believing them must be seriously disabled or very obese that they can't get outside to look up at the sun with proper eye protection to see for themselves that there isnt anything looming next to the sun.
Seriously these individuals that keep posting youtube garbage of nothing but lens flares, then using photoshop or other photo enhancing software that picks up dust and scratches off the lens and makes it into anomaly to amuse the eyes. The lens in alot of camera today use dirt cheap materials that are distorted because of the process used to achieve the finished product. If anything is mass produced there will be defects. That being said those who are watching you tube "nutbeerooh" get off your ass and go outside and look for your self stop being lead like like cattle to a slaughter.
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Also the idea that someone's understanding of the solar system could be so limited as to believe the Earth being halted in orbit for over a decade, or this supposed giant object hovering near the Sun without ever eclipsing it boggles the mind.

And the way they *must* religiously hold to Nancy idea, no matter the contrary evidence or the cost. Strange, indeed.
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Tja, Katche, vielleicht solltet ihr euch langsam aber sicher einmal mit der Realität anfreunden. Es gibt keinen Nibiru.

Wie lange willst du dir noch diese Linsenlichtspiegelungen antun? Und auf was willst du warten? Die Warterei ist ohnedies der Zetafans letzte Zuflucht. Sie warten immer auf etwas, das es so nicht gibt.

Ich meine das nicht böse, aber wie lange willst du dir noch diese Youtube-Fake-Videos reinziehen. Genau das Gleiche gab es schon 2009, als ich hier in dieser Szene aufgeschlagen bin. Es war übrigens immer gleich unsinnig.

Oder willst du wirklich noch auf eine Ankündigung von Obama warten, die es nie geben wird: egal wie lange ihr Wartenden wartet. Warum steckst du dir nicht einen Zeitrahmen? Nancy hat gesagt, die Ankündigung kommt wohl definitiv vor dem September, was sie allerdings letztes Jahr auch schon gesagt hat. Viel sagen und wenig halten ist ihr Motto.

Ich weiß ja, dass ich nicht immer nett zu euch war, aber du scheinst mir ein cleveres Bürschchen zu sein. Wie kann man an so etwas glauben? Ganz ehrlich: Wie?

Sorry guys and ladies for that little trip. But I speak German fluently too. Nancy only speaks English, but she did enough damage with it.

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That is true. You can see many lens flare picture / movies out there where the sun isn't even close in frame. So you also say this is a lense flare?

If you rule out the sun or any other source of light reflexion as good as possible and the object stays where it is while moving the cam around a lense flare or any kind of optical lens apparitions where the sun is thr source should be avoided by doing so, right?

What is with the "Object" being behind a cloud [03:34 - 07:00] and behind a brunch [18:22 - 19:20} ?



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I only watched the first couple of minutes of that video as it was almost 30 minutes long. To be fair, I'll have a look. I appreciate you giving me the times in question.
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did you have some time to watch it yet? If not I think you can leave it as it is. In his newest video he explains it is a lense flare, so we are done here, I guess. I am surprised though Hydra said something about the images beeing photoshoped when this user now claims his own findings as lense flares...
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Tja, Katche, vielleicht solltet ihr euch langsam aber sicher einmal mit der Realität anfreunden. Es gibt keinen Nibiru.

Wie lange willst du dir noch diese Linsenlichtspiegelungen antun? Und auf was willst du warten? Die Warterei ist ohnedies der Zetafans letzte Zuflucht. Sie warten immer auf etwas, das es so nicht gibt.

Ich meine das nicht böse, aber wie lange willst du dir noch diese Youtube-Fake-Videos reinziehen. Genau das Gleiche gab es schon 2009, als ich hier in dieser Szene aufgeschlagen bin. Es war übrigens immer gleich unsinnig.

Oder willst du wirklich noch auf eine Ankündigung von Obama warten, die es nie geben wird: egal wie lange ihr Wartenden wartet. Warum steckst du dir nicht einen Zeitrahmen? Nancy hat gesagt, die Ankündigung kommt wohl definitiv vor dem September, was sie allerdings letztes Jahr auch schon gesagt hat. Viel sagen und wenig halten ist ihr Motto.

Ich weiß ja, dass ich nicht immer nett zu euch war, aber du scheinst mir ein cleveres Bürschchen zu sein. Wie kann man an so etwas glauben? Ganz ehrlich: Wie?

Sorry guys and ladies for that little trip. But I speak German fluently too. Nancy only speaks English, but she did enough damage with it.

V.
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Genau das Gleiche gab es schon 2009, als ich hier in dieser Szene aufgeschlagen bin.
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Also Du in der Szene aufgeschlagen bist war das dann mit dem Kopf zuerst? Das würde einiges erklären... s226
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Tja, Katche, vielleicht solltet ihr euch langsam aber sicher einmal mit der Realität anfreunden. Es gibt keinen Nibiru.

Wie lange willst du dir noch diese Linsenlichtspiegelungen antun? Und auf was willst du warten? Die Warterei ist ohnedies der Zetafans letzte Zuflucht. Sie warten immer auf etwas, das es so nicht gibt.

Ich meine das nicht böse, aber wie lange willst du dir noch diese Youtube-Fake-Videos reinziehen. Genau das Gleiche gab es schon 2009, als ich hier in dieser Szene aufgeschlagen bin. Es war übrigens immer gleich unsinnig.

Oder willst du wirklich noch auf eine Ankündigung von Obama warten, die es nie geben wird: egal wie lange ihr Wartenden wartet. Warum steckst du dir nicht einen Zeitrahmen? Nancy hat gesagt, die Ankündigung kommt wohl definitiv vor dem September, was sie allerdings letztes Jahr auch schon gesagt hat. Viel sagen und wenig halten ist ihr Motto.

Ich weiß ja, dass ich nicht immer nett zu euch war, aber du scheinst mir ein cleveres Bürschchen zu sein. Wie kann man an so etwas glauben? Ganz ehrlich: Wie?

Sorry guys and ladies for that little trip. But I speak German fluently too. Nancy only speaks English, but she did enough damage with it.

V.
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Wie kann man an so etwas glauben? Ganz ehrlich: Wie?
 Quoting: VeritasN1


Es ist Deine Aufgabe selbst herauszufinden wie man "glaubt". Ich kann Dir hier nur sagen das Dir Dein Verstand und Deine Intelligenz ganz erheblich im Wege stehen. Glauben kann man nur mit dem Herzen und damit meine ich nicht einmal dein physisches Herz, sondern Dein spirituelles Herz, welches an ganz ähnlicher Stelle im Körper liegt. Ich gehe nicht davon aus das Du irgendetwas von dem verstehst was ich hier schreibe, denn dass setzt voraus das Du bereits mit Deinem Herzen "denken" kannst und da bist Du noch nicht...
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Tja, Katche, vielleicht solltet ihr euch langsam aber sicher einmal mit der Realität anfreunden. Es gibt keinen Nibiru.

Wie lange willst du dir noch diese Linsenlichtspiegelungen antun? Und auf was willst du warten? Die Warterei ist ohnedies der Zetafans letzte Zuflucht. Sie warten immer auf etwas, das es so nicht gibt.

Ich meine das nicht böse, aber wie lange willst du dir noch diese Youtube-Fake-Videos reinziehen. Genau das Gleiche gab es schon 2009, als ich hier in dieser Szene aufgeschlagen bin. Es war übrigens immer gleich unsinnig.

Oder willst du wirklich noch auf eine Ankündigung von Obama warten, die es nie geben wird: egal wie lange ihr Wartenden wartet. Warum steckst du dir nicht einen Zeitrahmen? Nancy hat gesagt, die Ankündigung kommt wohl definitiv vor dem September, was sie allerdings letztes Jahr auch schon gesagt hat. Viel sagen und wenig halten ist ihr Motto.

Ich weiß ja, dass ich nicht immer nett zu euch war, aber du scheinst mir ein cleveres Bürschchen zu sein. Wie kann man an so etwas glauben? Ganz ehrlich: Wie?

Sorry guys and ladies for that little trip. But I speak German fluently too. Nancy only speaks English, but she did enough damage with it.

V.
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Wie kann man an so etwas glauben? Ganz ehrlich: Wie?
 Quoting: VeritasN1


Es ist Deine Aufgabe selbst herauszufinden wie man "glaubt". Ich kann Dir hier nur sagen das Dir Dein Verstand und Deine Intelligenz ganz erheblich im Wege stehen. Glauben kann man nur mit dem Herzen und damit meine ich nicht einmal dein physisches Herz, sondern Dein spirituelles Herz, welches an ganz ähnlicher Stelle im Körper liegt. Ich gehe nicht davon aus das Du irgendetwas von dem verstehst was ich hier schreibe, denn dass setzt voraus das Du bereits mit Deinem Herzen "denken" kannst und da bist Du noch nicht...
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Du brauchst nicht glauben um zu wissen.
Dein "Glaube" steht dir genauso im Weg wie die Engsichtigkeit die du anderen zugestehst.
Du magst Recht haben dass der Mensch eine neugierige Natur besitzt die es vermag zu anmaßen und philosophieren, allerdings hast du nicht gemerkt das bestimme Menschen dich genau aufgrund dieser Tatsche geködert haben und das erkennt man schon allein daran dass du offensichtliche Wiedersprüche in deinem Glauben ignorierst oder generell keine Konsistenz in deinem Glauben pflegst.

Ich habe unzählige Sonntage die Fratze Mrs.Lieders beliebäugeln dürfen und staunen können wie offen ein Mensch doch lügen kann. (Natürlich habe ich das erst viel später realisiert.)
Die Frage ist: Wem "glaubst" du?
Dem was eine Frau behauptet TROTZ gravierender Unterschiede zur uns beweisbaren Realität? (Bsp. Earth halted)
Oder doch dem was du selbst logisch nachvollziehn, nachprüfen kannst und vorallem nicht nur auf subjektiven Interpretationen oder Meinung anderer gestüzt ist?

Frag dich das mal....
Dem was du so selbstbewusst deine "innere Stimme" nennst kann sich ganz leicht und schleichend mit deinen Wünschen und Vorstellungen vermischen und irgendwann wirst du nurnoch das sehen was du sehen willst.
Es ist wie mit den wiederkehrenden Nummern die manche Menschen sehen. - Klar, weil sie nurnoch auf diese bestimmten Nummern fokussiert sind aber niemals die unzähligen Male zählen wo sie andere Nummern gesehen haben.

Es hat statistisch keine Relevanz und genauso verhählt es sich mit Lieders Prognosen.

Ich würd nicht drauf Wetten.... Wenn dann wett lieber drauf das Lieders Vorraussagen scheitern...das hat seit 95' geklappt!

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English:
You do not need faith to know.
Your "faith" is as hindering as the lack of sight you acknowledge to others.
You may be right that humans have a curious nature to solve this grand puzzle, but you were unable to figure out that others may have lured you based on these very principles and that is obvious by the fact that you ignore contradictions in your beliefs.

I had countless opportunities during sundays to stare at the grimace of Mrs.Lieders and be amazed at how open someone can lie you flat in the face. (Of course I did not realized it until much later.)
The question is: who do you "believe"?
A woman who claims something DESPITE serious differences between our provable reality? (Eg Earth halted)
Or maybe what YOU can logically consider, prove and not be based on subjective interpretation and/or others opinions?

Ask yourself these ones....
What you so confidently claim your "inner voice" can easily and gradually mix with your desires and ideas and eventually become so inherent that you'll be only seeing what you want to see.
Its as with the recurring numbers which some people urge to see. - Sure, because they are only focused on these specific numbers and never count the countless times where they have NOT seen these numbers.

It has no statistical relevance, and just the same counts about Lieders "Track record".

I would not bet on it .... If you bet, then rather that Lieder's predictions fail ... it worked out since 95 '!

EDIT: English is so much smarter, shorter. Lets stick to it! (I think we're obligated to it anyway)

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As I recall - back in September 2003, Nancy said there would be no need to pay October's bills because the "pole shift" was imminent. I wonder how many people believed her and didn't bother to pay them. There were quite a few people who bought in to Harold Camping's doomsday prophecy and gave away or sold their possessions only to end up with mud on their face. What's sad, at least in Nancy's case, is that FreeStore gave up so much and spent a lot of money building a shelter that he hasn't used for anything other than storage and yet, 10 years later, he still clings to everything she says.
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I wonder if Ann S. is still feeling as smug about Obama's announcement of "Plant X" as she was several months ago considering it has been almost a year since he was supposed to have made the announcement. I'm willing to bet that no matter how confident and smug she appears here or on the ning, it must really piss her off that the "Zetas" have been so miserably wrong. But should she really be surprised?
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I wonder if Ann S. is still feeling as smug about Obama's announcement of "Plant X" as she was several months ago considering it has been almost a year since he was supposed to have made the announcement. I'm willing to bet that no matter how confident and smug she appears here or on the ning, it must really piss her off that the "Zetas" have been so miserably wrong. But should she really be surprised?
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Surely it's not possible to keep the lies going for much longer...I'm surprised that the site is still going to be honest.
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Considering the "Zetas" said with absolute certainty that "Planet X" would swing through the solar system and cause a "pole shift" in May 2003...even going so far as to say they were being precise about the date, and that "Planet X" has failed to show up over the last 10 years, there's one thing I find really interesting. When asked how much longer they'll continue listening to and believing what Nancy says, NONE of her believers will EVER answer the question. Let's use FreeStore as an example. For 10 years he's been living in his "safe zone" waiting for this "rogue planet" to show up...actually, he, like some of her other followers, truly believes that "Planet X" is already here - hovering near the sun. He was SO convinced that "Planet X" would show up that he said he would commit suicide if it failed to do so by September 2007. He ultimately didn't do it (thankfully) and is still around because, as he said, "Planet X" did show up. But that was six years ago. How long does he think "Planet X" can just hang around the sun? It seems to me that any normal person who got sucked into Nancy's delusion would, after a few years of failed predictions, seriously start to question their beliefs and examine the evidence. While I was interested in the whole "ZetaTalk" story, I never allowed myself to become completely biased or sucked into her claims. I read her site, I listened to her on Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. But instead of taking her at her word, I looked around - I examined her claims. At the time, she was making wild claims that the sun was setting later than it should - with many followers sending her their observations. Meanwhile, the sun was setting at my location just as it had every day since I was a child. If the sun were truly setting 20 to 30 minutes later than normal, it would be noticed. People would be talking about it. And how could the sun set 30 minutes late in, say, Phoenix, AZ but set on time where I lived in San Diego, CA? That would mean the Earth's rotation would have to speed up - something that would be noticed. On top of that, when I found out about Nancy it was already the first week of May 2003. If "Planet X" was really going to cause a "pole shift" within a few weeks - why wasn't this "rogue planet" glaringly obvious in the sky as she said it would be? By that time, it should have appeared as big, if not bigger, than the sun. And yet, she continued on with her story...warning others to take heed because the end was nigh. As I examined all of her claims and found they didn't stand up, I started to wonder if she ever verified the witness accounts that were sent to her. So, I sent in a claim of my own saying I personally saw the sun set 45 minutes late. She completely believed me - and posted it on her website without ever asking me a single question. It remained on her site for several weeks until I mentioned here on GLP during one of her chats as to what I had done. Then it got moved to another part of her site she created to post "evidence" proving the existence of "government shills." So, if I and so many others can see that Nancy is full of it - what is it about other people that they so easily accept what she says as gospel? Why are they so ready to accept any excuse she makes for her failed predictions so they can go on believing her? Why are they not able to accept the reality that she's very wrong? Are they so disappointed with their own lives that they hope something destructive happens?
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Your last sentence sums up perfectly.
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Considering the "Zetas" said with absolute certainty that "Planet X" would swing through the solar system and cause a "pole shift" in May 2003...even going so far as to say they were being precise about the date, and that "Planet X" has failed to show up over the last 10 years, there's one thing I find really interesting. When asked how much longer they'll continue listening to and believing what Nancy says, NONE of her believers will EVER answer the question. Let's use FreeStore as an example. For 10 years he's been living in his "safe zone" waiting for this "rogue planet" to show up...actually, he, like some of her other followers, truly believes that "Planet X" is already here - hovering near the sun. He was SO convinced that "Planet X" would show up that he said he would commit suicide if it failed to do so by September 2007. He ultimately didn't do it (thankfully) and is still around because, as he said, "Planet X" did show up. But that was six years ago. How long does he think "Planet X" can just hang around the sun? It seems to me that any normal person who got sucked into Nancy's delusion would, after a few years of failed predictions, seriously start to question their beliefs and examine the evidence. While I was interested in the whole "ZetaTalk" story, I never allowed myself to become completely biased or sucked into her claims. I read her site, I listened to her on Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. But instead of taking her at her word, I looked around - I examined her claims. At the time, she was making wild claims that the sun was setting later than it should - with many followers sending her their observations. Meanwhile, the sun was setting at my location just as it had every day since I was a child. If the sun were truly setting 20 to 30 minutes later than normal, it would be noticed. People would be talking about it. And how could the sun set 30 minutes late in, say, Phoenix, AZ but set on time where I lived in San Diego, CA? That would mean the Earth's rotation would have to speed up - something that would be noticed. On top of that, when I found out about Nancy it was already the first week of May 2003. If "Planet X" was really going to cause a "pole shift" within a few weeks - why wasn't this "rogue planet" glaringly obvious in the sky as she said it would be? By that time, it should have appeared as big, if not bigger, than the sun. And yet, she continued on with her story...warning others to take heed because the end was nigh. As I examined all of her claims and found they didn't stand up, I started to wonder if she ever verified the witness accounts that were sent to her. So, I sent in a claim of my own saying I personally saw the sun set 45 minutes late. She completely believed me - and posted it on her website without ever asking me a single question. It remained on her site for several weeks until I mentioned here on GLP during one of her chats as to what I had done. Then it got moved to another part of her site she created to post "evidence" proving the existence of "government shills." So, if I and so many others can see that Nancy is full of it - what is it about other people that they so easily accept what she says as gospel? Why are they so ready to accept any excuse she makes for her failed predictions so they can go on believing her? Why are they not able to accept the reality that she's very wrong? Are they so disappointed with their own lives that they hope something destructive happens?
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Great posting..
Regarding the boldened part I think many of them feel as if they reached a "point of no return", eg. they changed their lives so heavily around this whole pX myth that they simply do not feel the strenght to look over it again which could result in the possibility that they have to admit to have been wrong all the years.
Then this is might be lack of courage and/or driven by the ego, fear.
It shouldn't really hinder anyone to reconsider their views because it is very human to make mistakes (even big ones).

At some point (for me) it was only of importance what is "true" and what "needed to be done".... all the rest was scheduled later.

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I wonder if Ann S. is still feeling as smug about Obama's announcement of "Plant X" as she was several months ago considering it has been almost a year since he was supposed to have made the announcement. I'm willing to bet that no matter how confident and smug she appears here or on the ning, it must really piss her off that the "Zetas" have been so miserably wrong. But should she really be surprised?
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Haven't really seen her after I updated my document...
I hope she was able to reconsider her views...

Yes, surely it must suck to defend the Zetas everytime who're not getting a single prediction straight.
At the one hand I can understand the shock of finding out the hard truth about Nancy (and the falsehood of some humans), but then this shouldn't waste too much of a lifetime and happen sooner rather than later..

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Your last sentence sums up perfectly.
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Nancy always made as much damage as possible. The poor cult people are frustrated with their lives and she tries to destroy as much of it as she can. Don`t forget she told them not to pay their bills anymore, to murder their pets and eat them, to move to other locations and sell everything, to stab plugs into their dicks ...

She is a mean old cult bitch ...This old woman is completely lunatic.
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I can't quote you for some reason Truther. I'm amazed that she's allowed to get away with it tbh....it's criminal.
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That is true. You can see many lens flare picture / movies out there where the sun isn't even close in frame. So you also say this is a lense flare?

If you rule out the sun or any other source of light reflexion as good as possible and the object stays where it is while moving the cam around a lense flare or any kind of optical lens apparitions where the sun is thr source should be avoided by doing so, right?

What is with the "Object" being behind a cloud [03:34 - 07:00] and behind a brunch [18:22 - 19:20} ?



I appreciate your answer.
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I only watched the first couple of minutes of that video as it was almost 30 minutes long. To be fair, I'll have a look. I appreciate you giving me the times in question.
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did you have some time to watch it yet? If not I think you can leave it as it is. In his newest video he explains it is a lense flare, so we are done here, I guess. I am surprised though Hydra said something about the images beeing photoshoped when this user now claims his own findings as lense flares...
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I think Hydra was referring to image manipulation via the application of filters and changing gamma values and such.

Interestingly enough, you can create unaltered imagery that looks extraordinary by utilizing different camera settings and other techniques. When I used to work at the photo studio we would create very realistic ghost images with simple camera settings and a powerful light source. We would set-up a tripod-mounted camera with a bulb/shutter setting of around 30 seconds in an almost entirely dark setting. After about 10 or 15 seconds we would have someone run into frame and freeze. Right when this individual froze, we would VERY briefly illuminate said person with a light source from behind the camera. The resulting image was of a person that you could see right through.

Sorry I forgot to reply. If you look at the unprocessed footage/image you can see it is an ordinary lens flare. The others were right in their comments about transparency and image manipulation via Lightroom.


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