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That is true. You can see many lens flare picture / movies out there where the sun isn't even close in frame. So you also say this is a lense flare?

If you rule out the sun or any other source of light reflexion as good as possible and the object stays where it is while moving the cam around a lense flare or any kind of optical lens apparitions where the sun is thr source should be avoided by doing so, right?

What is with the "Object" being behind a cloud [03:34 - 07:00] and behind a brunch [18:22 - 19:20} ?



I appreciate your answer.
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I only watched the first couple of minutes of that video as it was almost 30 minutes long. To be fair, I'll have a look. I appreciate you giving me the times in question.
 Quoting: Setheory 22372062


did you have some time to watch it yet? If not I think you can leave it as it is. In his newest video he explains it is a lense flare, so we are done here, I guess. I am surprised though Hydra said something about the images beeing photoshoped when this user now claims his own findings as lense flares...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43573195


I think Hydra was referring to image manipulation via the application of filters and changing gamma values and such.

Interestingly enough, you can create unaltered imagery that looks extraordinary by utilizing different camera settings and other techniques. When I used to work at the photo studio we would create very realistic ghost images with simple camera settings and a powerful light source. We would set-up a tripod-mounted camera with a bulb/shutter setting of around 30 seconds in an almost entirely dark setting. After about 10 or 15 seconds we would have someone run into frame and freeze. Right when this individual froze, we would VERY briefly illuminate said person with a light source from behind the camera. The resulting image was of a person that you could see right through.

Sorry I forgot to reply. If you look at the unprocessed footage/image you can see it is an ordinary lens flare. The others were right in their comments about transparency and image manipulation via Lightroom.
 Quoting: Setheory 22372062


Yep, he could have tested his setup beforehand while simply pointing his cam below the sun. Many cams and lenses do show if they produce lens flares when the sun is at the hightest point. Thanks for your answer!
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Yep, he could have tested his setup beforehand while simply pointing his cam below the sun. Many cams and lenses do show if they produce lens flares when the sun is at the hightest point. Thanks for your answer!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939

There is a well known, absolute simple, 100% proof test: cover the SECOND SUN with your finger.
If you can, it's a real object - if you can't and it's in front of your finger, it's a reflecion of any kind.

Now make an educated guess, why none of the tards that have "discovered" Nibiru, a second sun, Planet X etc don't do this test.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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There is a well known, absolute simple, 100% proof test: cover the SECOND SUN with your finger.
If you can, it's a real object - if you can't and it's in front of your finger, it's a reflecion of any kind.

Now make an educated guess, why none of the tards that have "discovered" Nibiru, a second sun, Planet X etc don't do this test.


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because they are concrete-stupid.
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Yep, he could have tested his setup beforehand while simply pointing his cam below the sun. Many cams and lenses do show if they produce lens flares when the sun is at the hightest point. Thanks for your answer!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939

There is a well known, absolute simple, 100% proof test: cover the SECOND SUN with your finger.
If you can, it's a real object - if you can't and it's in front of your finger, it's a reflecion of any kind.

Now make an educated guess, why none of the tards that have "discovered" Nibiru, a second sun, Planet X etc don't do this test.


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 Quoting: Hydra


Yes. Nancy even has a page explaining this, yet on the very same page are "sightings" where they didn't do that simple test.
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Yep, he could have tested his setup beforehand while simply pointing his cam below the sun. Many cams and lenses do show if they produce lens flares when the sun is at the hightest point. Thanks for your answer!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939

There is a well known, absolute simple, 100% proof test: cover the SECOND SUN with your finger.
If you can, it's a real object - if you can't and it's in front of your finger, it's a reflecion of any kind.

Now make an educated guess, why none of the tards that have "discovered" Nibiru, a second sun, Planet X etc don't do this test.


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 Quoting: Hydra


Yes. Nancy even has a page explaining this, yet on the very same page are "sightings" where they didn't do that simple test.
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Well, he did cover up the sun, at 10:49 and a changing object appears very distinct:

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Yep, he could have tested his setup beforehand while simply pointing his cam below the sun. Many cams and lenses do show if they produce lens flares when the sun is at the hightest point. Thanks for your answer!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939

There is a well known, absolute simple, 100% proof test: cover the SECOND SUN with your finger.
If you can, it's a real object - if you can't and it's in front of your finger, it's a reflecion of any kind.

Now make an educated guess, why none of the tards that have "discovered" Nibiru, a second sun, Planet X etc don't do this test.


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 Quoting: Hydra


Yes. Nancy even has a page explaining this, yet on the very same page are "sightings" where they didn't do that simple test.
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


Well, he did cover up the sun, at 10:49 and a changing object appears very distinct:


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939

Covering the sun doesn't prevent light from entering the lenses - best example are flares when the sun, moon, etc is not in the field of view.

I never have seen a Nibiru/second sun video, where a finger could cover Nibiru or the second sun.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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There is a well known, absolute simple, 100% proof test: cover the SECOND SUN with your finger.
If you can, it's a real object - if you can't and it's in front of your finger, it's a reflecion of any kind.

Now make an educated guess, why none of the tards that have "discovered" Nibiru, a second sun, Planet X etc don't do this test.


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 Quoting: Hydra


Yes. Nancy even has a page explaining this, yet on the very same page are "sightings" where they didn't do that simple test.
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


Well, he did cover up the sun, at 10:49 and a changing object appears very distinct:


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939

Covering the sun doesn't prevent light from entering the lenses - best example are flares when the sun, moon, etc is not in the field of view.

I never have seen a Nibiru/second sun video, where a finger could cover Nibiru or the second sun.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Light entering the lenses would certainly change the object's appearance when the source of this light is covered.

The object also appears behind a tree, 12:42
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Yes. Nancy even has a page explaining this, yet on the very same page are "sightings" where they didn't do that simple test.
 Quoting: Menow 1394150


Well, he did cover up the sun, at 10:49 and a changing object appears very distinct:


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939

Covering the sun doesn't prevent light from entering the lenses - best example are flares when the sun, moon, etc is not in the field of view.

I never have seen a Nibiru/second sun video, where a finger could cover Nibiru or the second sun.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Light entering the lenses would certainly change the object's appearance when the source of this light is covered.

The object also appears behind a tree, 12:42
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939


Nope, he just changed filters which let a "ring" appear because a light source ( the sun - not in the field of view ) logically shines brightest in the center and then the brightness gradually decreases.
Now if you filter for the various brightness, you'll have many "rings" ranging from a center orb, the sun itself, up to far changes of brightness the camera was able to catch.

I could produce similar effects with any image of a light source.. But yeah, the fact the rings are behind the tree is because the light source = the sun is "behind" the trees.

The alleged pX = lens flare stays in place, otherwise please make a screenshot and point me to the image where this object is behind trees..

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Well, he did cover up the sun, at 10:49 and a changing object appears very distinct:


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939

Covering the sun doesn't prevent light from entering the lenses - best example are flares when the sun, moon, etc is not in the field of view.

I never have seen a Nibiru/second sun video, where a finger could cover Nibiru or the second sun.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Light entering the lenses would certainly change the object's appearance when the source of this light is covered.

The object also appears behind a tree, 12:42
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939


Nope, he just changed filters which let a "ring" appear because a light source ( the sun - not in the field of view ) logically shines brightest in the center and then the brightness gradually decreases.
Now if you filter for the various brightness, you'll have many "rings" ranging from a center orb, the sun itself, up to far changes of brightness the camera was able to catch.

I could produce similar effects with any image of a light source.. But yeah, the fact the rings are behind the tree is because the light source = the sun is "behind" the trees.

The alleged pX = lens flare stays in place, otherwise please make a screenshot and point me to the image where this object is behind trees..
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


LOL - why would I make a screenshot? It is ALL there, shown in his video(s), including some nice lense flares for comparison. But this one is something else. Everything but not an unknown object like a moon swirl, right? Hell, NOWAY anything of that can be truely an unknown object which is even changing its appearance, having a different texture - WHOOOHOOO look at that! Behind a branch, changing appearance, could only be seen that clearly in the IR spectrum and even changes its place, O.M.G.?!?!?!

You guys can not explain this, your house of cards begins to fall apart - Game Over!

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Covering the sun doesn't prevent light from entering the lenses - best example are flares when the sun, moon, etc is not in the field of view.

I never have seen a Nibiru/second sun video, where a finger could cover Nibiru or the second sun.

.
 Quoting: Hydra


Light entering the lenses would certainly change the object's appearance when the source of this light is covered.

The object also appears behind a tree, 12:42
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939


Nope, he just changed filters which let a "ring" appear because a light source ( the sun - not in the field of view ) logically shines brightest in the center and then the brightness gradually decreases.
Now if you filter for the various brightness, you'll have many "rings" ranging from a center orb, the sun itself, up to far changes of brightness the camera was able to catch.

I could produce similar effects with any image of a light source.. But yeah, the fact the rings are behind the tree is because the light source = the sun is "behind" the trees.

The alleged pX = lens flare stays in place, otherwise please make a screenshot and point me to the image where this object is behind trees..
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


LOL - why would I make a screenshot? It is ALL there, shown in his video(s), including some nice lense flares for comparison. But this one is something else. Everything but not an unknown object like a moon swirl, right? Hell, NOWAY anything of that can be truely an unknown object which is even changing its appearance, having a different texture - WHOOOHOOO look at that! Behind a branch, changing appearance, could only be seen that clearly in the IR spectrum and even changes its place, O.M.G.?!?!?!

You guys can not explain this, your house of cards begins to fall apart - Game Over!

byekittyskull_fingbartmoon
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If such an object existed, why doesn't it have any other apparent physical effects? Why hasn't it altered the orbits of the inner planets? Why doesn't it ever *eclipse* the Sun? What kind of orbit would it have to have to appear the way it does? Why doesn't it appear when you use proper equipment to look?

The game was over in 2003. You just keep hoping the 3,493rd recount goes your way.
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Light entering the lenses would certainly change the object's appearance when the source of this light is covered.

The object also appears behind a tree, 12:42
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939


Nope, he just changed filters which let a "ring" appear because a light source ( the sun - not in the field of view ) logically shines brightest in the center and then the brightness gradually decreases.
Now if you filter for the various brightness, you'll have many "rings" ranging from a center orb, the sun itself, up to far changes of brightness the camera was able to catch.

I could produce similar effects with any image of a light source.. But yeah, the fact the rings are behind the tree is because the light source = the sun is "behind" the trees.

The alleged pX = lens flare stays in place, otherwise please make a screenshot and point me to the image where this object is behind trees..
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


LOL - why would I make a screenshot? It is ALL there, shown in his video(s), including some nice lense flares for comparison. But this one is something else. Everything but not an unknown object like a moon swirl, right? Hell, NOWAY anything of that can be truely an unknown object which is even changing its appearance, having a different texture - WHOOOHOOO look at that! Behind a branch, changing appearance, could only be seen that clearly in the IR spectrum and even changes its place, O.M.G.?!?!?!

You guys can not explain this, your house of cards begins to fall apart - Game Over!

byekittyskull_fingbartmoon
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If such an object existed, why doesn't it have any other apparent physical effects? Why hasn't it altered the orbits of the inner planets? Why doesn't it ever *eclipse* the Sun? What kind of orbit would it have to have to appear the way it does? Why doesn't it appear when you use proper equipment to look?

The game was over in 2003. You just keep hoping the 3,493rd recount goes your way.
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You need a hand holding tour? Go and Read Zetatalk, it's ALL there.

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If such an object existed, why doesn't it have any other apparent physical effects? Why hasn't it altered the orbits of the inner planets? Why doesn't it ever *eclipse* the Sun? What kind of orbit would it have to have to appear the way it does? Why doesn't it appear when you use proper equipment to look?

The game was over in 2003. You just keep hoping the 3,493rd recount goes your way.
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You need a hand holding tour? Go and Read Zetatalk, it's ALL there.


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Hand holding is nice, but unnecessary. I need rational answers to my rational questions.

And Zetatalk does not provide anything rational whatsoever.
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If such an object existed, why doesn't it have any other apparent physical effects? Why hasn't it altered the orbits of the inner planets? Why doesn't it ever *eclipse* the Sun? What kind of orbit would it have to have to appear the way it does? Why doesn't it appear when you use proper equipment to look?

The game was over in 2003. You just keep hoping the 3,493rd recount goes your way.
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You need a hand holding tour? Go and Read Zetatalk, it's ALL there.


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Hand holding is nice, but unnecessary. I need rational answers to my rational questions.

And Zetatalk does not provide anything rational whatsoever.
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What do you see on the video? That's rational.
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If such an object existed, why doesn't it have any other apparent physical effects? Why hasn't it altered the orbits of the inner planets? Why doesn't it ever *eclipse* the Sun? What kind of orbit would it have to have to appear the way it does? Why doesn't it appear when you use proper equipment to look?

The game was over in 2003. You just keep hoping the 3,493rd recount goes your way.
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You need a hand holding tour? Go and Read Zetatalk, it's ALL there.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939


Hand holding is nice, but unnecessary. I need rational answers to my rational questions.

And Zetatalk does not provide anything rational whatsoever.
 Quoting: 74444


What do you see on the video? That's rational.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939


It's not. It's lots of playing with Lightroom. I have access to telescopes, I have access to solar filters and welder's glass, I have access to almanacs and books predicting heavenly phenomena, and I know enough physics that such a supposed huge object in the inner solar system must have physical consequences that haven't materialized.

Therefore my questions stand: If such an object existed, why doesn't it have any other apparent physical effects? Why hasn't it altered the orbits of the inner planets? Why doesn't it ever *eclipse* the Sun? What kind of orbit would it have to have to appear the way it does? Why doesn't it appear when you use proper equipment to look? I'll add some, too: how long has such an object been in the inner solar system, according to your belief? Why can I observe Mercury and Venus -- supposedly much smaller objects than your PX -- so easily, yet not PX? How do zodiacal constellations continue to rise and set as predicted if the Earth is halted in its orbit, as Nancy and ZT have claimed? What evidence, if any, can convince you that it is *not* any physical object, as ZT or Nancy seems to claim?

Your inability to answer these rationally is not the fault of the questions. The fault is somewhere else.

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You need a hand holding tour? Go and Read Zetatalk, it's ALL there.


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Hand holding is nice, but unnecessary. I need rational answers to my rational questions.

And Zetatalk does not provide anything rational whatsoever.
 Quoting: 74444


What do you see on the video? That's rational.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939


It's not. It's lots of playing with Lightroom. I have access to telescopes, I have access to solar filters and welder's glass, I have access to almanacs and books predicting heavenly phenomena, and I know enough physics that such a supposed huge object in the inner solar system must have physical consequences that haven't materialized.

Therefore my questions stand: If such an object existed, why doesn't it have any other apparent physical effects? Why hasn't it altered the orbits of the inner planets? Why doesn't it ever *eclipse* the Sun? What kind of orbit would it have to have to appear the way it does? Why doesn't it appear when you use proper equipment to look? I'll add some, too: how long has such an object been in the inner solar system, according to your belief? Why can I observe Mercury and Venus -- supposedly much smaller objects than your PX -- so easily, yet not PX? How do zodiacal constellations continue to rise and set as predicted if the Earth is halted in its orbit, as Nancy and ZT have claimed? What evidence, if any, can convince you that it is *not* any physical object, as ZT or Nancy seems to claim?

Your inability to answer these rationally is not the fault of the questions. The fault is somewhere else.
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Well, you asking an irrational dude about an irrational phenomena and expect a rational answer for your rational mind? Umm, you mad Bro?
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You need a hand holding tour? Go and Read Zetatalk, it's ALL there.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939


Hand holding is nice, but unnecessary. I need rational answers to my rational questions.

And Zetatalk does not provide anything rational whatsoever.
 Quoting: 74444


What do you see on the video? That's rational.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939


It's not. It's lots of playing with Lightroom. I have access to telescopes, I have access to solar filters and welder's glass, I have access to almanacs and books predicting heavenly phenomena, and I know enough physics that such a supposed huge object in the inner solar system must have physical consequences that haven't materialized.

Therefore my questions stand: If such an object existed, why doesn't it have any other apparent physical effects? Why hasn't it altered the orbits of the inner planets? Why doesn't it ever *eclipse* the Sun? What kind of orbit would it have to have to appear the way it does? Why doesn't it appear when you use proper equipment to look? I'll add some, too: how long has such an object been in the inner solar system, according to your belief? Why can I observe Mercury and Venus -- supposedly much smaller objects than your PX -- so easily, yet not PX? How do zodiacal constellations continue to rise and set as predicted if the Earth is halted in its orbit, as Nancy and ZT have claimed? What evidence, if any, can convince you that it is *not* any physical object, as ZT or Nancy seems to claim?

Your inability to answer these rationally is not the fault of the questions. The fault is somewhere else.
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What do YOU see on the video? THAT's rational.

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Tja, Katche, vielleicht solltet ihr euch langsam aber sicher einmal mit der Realität anfreunden. Es gibt keinen Nibiru.

Wie lange willst du dir noch diese Linsenlichtspiegelungen antun? Und auf was willst du warten? Die Warterei ist ohnedies der Zetafans letzte Zuflucht. Sie warten immer auf etwas, das es so nicht gibt.

Ich meine das nicht böse, aber wie lange willst du dir noch diese Youtube-Fake-Videos reinziehen. Genau das Gleiche gab es schon 2009, als ich hier in dieser Szene aufgeschlagen bin. Es war übrigens immer gleich unsinnig.

Oder willst du wirklich noch auf eine Ankündigung von Obama warten, die es nie geben wird: egal wie lange ihr Wartenden wartet. Warum steckst du dir nicht einen Zeitrahmen? Nancy hat gesagt, die Ankündigung kommt wohl definitiv vor dem September, was sie allerdings letztes Jahr auch schon gesagt hat. Viel sagen und wenig halten ist ihr Motto.

Ich weiß ja, dass ich nicht immer nett zu euch war, aber du scheinst mir ein cleveres Bürschchen zu sein. Wie kann man an so etwas glauben? Ganz ehrlich: Wie?

Sorry guys and ladies for that little trip. But I speak German fluently too. Nancy only speaks English, but she did enough damage with it.

V.
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Genau das Gleiche gab es schon 2009, als ich hier in dieser Szene aufgeschlagen bin.
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Also Du in der Szene aufgeschlagen bist war das dann mit dem Kopf zuerst? Das würde einiges erklären... s226
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Fuck yourself you little cult motherfucker. Enjoy your lenseflares and your bloody world of idiocy. This is the point where most cultists end: youtube and some other idiots spamming around with hilarious lenseflare clips.

It is like I have told you braindead nobrainer. You will only see flares there. And if you use blockheads like Alberto as your choice of information you will end up between some old floppy disks. I thought that we at least have some CDs or DVDs now. Flaretardo should try to make some new progressive pictures with them. I still remember Niels N. who tried to find Nobeeryou by making pics through the inner hole of a CD. Such nonsense will bring you closer to Nancy and you really have to see things through your cultist heart then, moron.

To be honest weird cultists who still believe in the lies of naugthy Nancy deserve nothing else.

I guess it was wrong to change the language or try to be nice. Yes, you`re not rational, you have no idea about astronomy, you would thinkbump that every birthday cake is Nibiru (when it`s depicted with photoshop)...

So you can wait some more years and as there will always be some idiots on youtube who are presenting their latest lenseflares aunt Nanny will keep you happy. That`s it. Easy like that.

And in late September your aunt Nanny will present you the latest excuses why Obama made no announcement. Next year around this time you will still wait for the same bogus.
You`re a cultist.

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What do YOU see on the video? THAT's rational.


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Do you agree that the first picture in the video (DSC_0281) is a lens flare?

I just transformed the lens flare into a Nibiru.

nibifake

THAT's rational?

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Covering the sun doesn't prevent light from entering the lenses - best example are flares when the sun, moon, etc is not in the field of view.

I never have seen a Nibiru/second sun video, where a finger could cover Nibiru or the second sun.

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Light entering the lenses would certainly change the object's appearance when the source of this light is covered.

The object also appears behind a tree, 12:42
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939


Nope, he just changed filters which let a "ring" appear because a light source ( the sun - not in the field of view ) logically shines brightest in the center and then the brightness gradually decreases.
Now if you filter for the various brightness, you'll have many "rings" ranging from a center orb, the sun itself, up to far changes of brightness the camera was able to catch.

I could produce similar effects with any image of a light source.. But yeah, the fact the rings are behind the tree is because the light source = the sun is "behind" the trees.

The alleged pX = lens flare stays in place, otherwise please make a screenshot and point me to the image where this object is behind trees..
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LOL - why would I make a screenshot? It is ALL there, shown in his video(s), including some nice lense flares for comparison. But this one is something else. Everything but not an unknown object like a moon swirl, right? Hell, NOWAY anything of that can be truely an unknown object which is even changing its appearance, having a different texture - WHOOOHOOO look at that! Behind a branch, changing appearance, could only be seen that clearly in the IR spectrum and even changes its place, O.M.G.?!?!?!

You guys can not explain this, your house of cards begins to fall apart - Game Over!

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I can understand your frustration to make a screenshot that would had made a fool of yourself by proving the nibby-flare is still where it was.. but hey...

I already explained to you that there's no nibiru behind trees, the circle around the light source (the sun, behind trees) is visible because the guy used several filters that make it appear there's an orb behind the trees but its just the decreasing brightness from the sun that was filtered.
Here an example:
Original: [link to ak0.picdn.net]
Edit: [link to www.imagebanana.com]

Now does that mean there's a gigantic orb around the sun?
According to the logic of this guy, this is "nibiru".

IR-spectrum? So you still think someone found a hidden planet on YOUTUBE and all scientists missed it?

hmm.. speaking about house of cards..
Tell us how YOUR house of cards is faring with claims as earth is halted, venus is off, daily "earth wobbles" and a planet that nobody can really see or measure whatsoever except these "rare circumstances" ALWAYS by amateur folks with amateur equipment and NEVER on any telescope or through other known scientific means of detecting planets?

What do you believe about the whole pX-myth at all?
Do you feel safe enough to present your beliefs for review?

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Hand holding is nice, but unnecessary. I need rational answers to my rational questions.

And Zetatalk does not provide anything rational whatsoever.
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What do you see on the video? That's rational.
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It's not. It's lots of playing with Lightroom. I have access to telescopes, I have access to solar filters and welder's glass, I have access to almanacs and books predicting heavenly phenomena, and I know enough physics that such a supposed huge object in the inner solar system must have physical consequences that haven't materialized.

Therefore my questions stand: If such an object existed, why doesn't it have any other apparent physical effects? Why hasn't it altered the orbits of the inner planets? Why doesn't it ever *eclipse* the Sun? What kind of orbit would it have to have to appear the way it does? Why doesn't it appear when you use proper equipment to look? I'll add some, too: how long has such an object been in the inner solar system, according to your belief? Why can I observe Mercury and Venus -- supposedly much smaller objects than your PX -- so easily, yet not PX? How do zodiacal constellations continue to rise and set as predicted if the Earth is halted in its orbit, as Nancy and ZT have claimed? What evidence, if any, can convince you that it is *not* any physical object, as ZT or Nancy seems to claim?

Your inability to answer these rationally is not the fault of the questions. The fault is somewhere else.
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Well, you asking an irrational dude about an irrational phenomena and expect a rational answer for your rational mind? Umm, you mad Bro?
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Not mad. Just curious. And the inability for the believers to answer my rational questions, and to instead deflect or ignore them altogether, speaks quite well for itself. Wouldn't you agree?
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What do YOU see on the video? THAT's rational.


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NOT a planet.

That's what I see. Now, how do you suggest we proceed to confirm who is correct? I would suggest studying the area with equipment designed to do so, and measuring for the effects such an object *must* have if it really exists.

What is *your* suggestion? More Youtube videos?
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There are a lot of pages here...

Has anyone done this...

Leak of Information or Skilful Fake?

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All I know is there's nothing in the following photo that my cousin took from Singapore recently:

[link to www.flickr.com]

And there's no "second sun" or "rogue planet" in this photo I took when we had a lot of smoke from the West Fork complex fire here in CO:

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All I know is there's nothing in the following photo that my cousin took from Singapore recently:

[link to www.flickr.com]

And there's no "second sun" or "rogue planet" in this photo I took when we had a lot of smoke from the West Fork complex fire here in CO:

[link to www.flickr.com]
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Yep, he could have tested his setup beforehand while simply pointing his cam below the sun. Many cams and lenses do show if they produce lens flares when the sun is at the hightest point. Thanks for your answer!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43839939

There is a well known, absolute simple, 100% proof test: cover the SECOND SUN with your finger.
If you can, it's a real object - if you can't and it's in front of your finger, it's a reflecion of any kind.

Now make an educated guess, why none of the tards that have "discovered" Nibiru, a second sun, Planet X etc don't do this test.


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Yes. Nancy even has a page explaining this, yet on the very same page are "sightings" where they didn't do that simple test.
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Well, he did cover up the sun, at 10:49 and a changing object appears very distinct:


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He doesn't block enough of the sun's light. If he did, his "objects" would disappear.
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Tja, Katche, vielleicht solltet ihr euch langsam aber sicher einmal mit der Realität anfreunden. Es gibt keinen Nibiru.

Wie lange willst du dir noch diese Linsenlichtspiegelungen antun? Und auf was willst du warten? Die Warterei ist ohnedies der Zetafans letzte Zuflucht. Sie warten immer auf etwas, das es so nicht gibt.

Ich meine das nicht böse, aber wie lange willst du dir noch diese Youtube-Fake-Videos reinziehen. Genau das Gleiche gab es schon 2009, als ich hier in dieser Szene aufgeschlagen bin. Es war übrigens immer gleich unsinnig.

Oder willst du wirklich noch auf eine Ankündigung von Obama warten, die es nie geben wird: egal wie lange ihr Wartenden wartet. Warum steckst du dir nicht einen Zeitrahmen? Nancy hat gesagt, die Ankündigung kommt wohl definitiv vor dem September, was sie allerdings letztes Jahr auch schon gesagt hat. Viel sagen und wenig halten ist ihr Motto.

Ich weiß ja, dass ich nicht immer nett zu euch war, aber du scheinst mir ein cleveres Bürschchen zu sein. Wie kann man an so etwas glauben? Ganz ehrlich: Wie?

Sorry guys and ladies for that little trip. But I speak German fluently too. Nancy only speaks English, but she did enough damage with it.

V.
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Genau das Gleiche gab es schon 2009, als ich hier in dieser Szene aufgeschlagen bin.
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Also Du in der Szene aufgeschlagen bist war das dann mit dem Kopf zuerst? Das würde einiges erklären... s226
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Fuck yourself you little cult motherfucker. Enjoy your lenseflares and your bloody world of idiocy. This is the point where most cultists end: youtube and some other idiots spamming around with hilarious lenseflare clips.

It is like I have told you braindead nobrainer. You will only see flares there. And if you use blockheads like Alberto as your choice of information you will end up between some old floppy disks. I thought that we at least have some CDs or DVDs now. Flaretardo should try to make some new progressive pictures with them. I still remember Niels N. who tried to find Nobeeryou by making pics through the inner hole of a CD. Such nonsense will bring you closer to Nancy and you really have to see things through your cultist heart then, moron.

To be honest weird cultists who still believe in the lies of naugthy Nancy deserve nothing else.

I guess it was wrong to change the language or try to be nice. Yes, you`re not rational, you have no idea about astronomy, you would thinkbump that every birthday cake is Nibiru (when it`s depicted with photoshop)...

So you can wait some more years and as there will always be some idiots on youtube who are presenting their latest lenseflares aunt Nanny will keep you happy. That`s it. Easy like that.

And in late September your aunt Nanny will present you the latest excuses why Obama made no announcement. Next year around this time you will still wait for the same bogus.
You`re a cultist.

crazyjakfeedtroll
 Quoting: VeritasN1


More deranged bull shit from the shill extraordinaire, Big V, the baddest shill of them all.

Look at the way Big V speaks, such elegance and compassion in his words, truly the sort of person you should trust!!! ;)

This thread is completely insane, I am merely posting here because I care about the sanity of my fellow friends.

Why don't you go ahead and commit your self Big V from *canada* with the proper care and medication you could be cured of your derangement.

Please, for the love of God... Get help...

crazyjakcrazyjakcrazyjak

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Tja, Katche, vielleicht solltet ihr euch langsam aber sicher einmal mit der Realität anfreunden. Es gibt keinen Nibiru.

Wie lange willst du dir noch diese Linsenlichtspiegelungen antun? Und auf was willst du warten? Die Warterei ist ohnedies der Zetafans letzte Zuflucht. Sie warten immer auf etwas, das es so nicht gibt.

Ich meine das nicht böse, aber wie lange willst du dir noch diese Youtube-Fake-Videos reinziehen. Genau das Gleiche gab es schon 2009, als ich hier in dieser Szene aufgeschlagen bin. Es war übrigens immer gleich unsinnig.

Oder willst du wirklich noch auf eine Ankündigung von Obama warten, die es nie geben wird: egal wie lange ihr Wartenden wartet. Warum steckst du dir nicht einen Zeitrahmen? Nancy hat gesagt, die Ankündigung kommt wohl definitiv vor dem September, was sie allerdings letztes Jahr auch schon gesagt hat. Viel sagen und wenig halten ist ihr Motto.

Ich weiß ja, dass ich nicht immer nett zu euch war, aber du scheinst mir ein cleveres Bürschchen zu sein. Wie kann man an so etwas glauben? Ganz ehrlich: Wie?

Sorry guys and ladies for that little trip. But I speak German fluently too. Nancy only speaks English, but she did enough damage with it.

V.
 Quoting: VeritasN1


Genau das Gleiche gab es schon 2009, als ich hier in dieser Szene aufgeschlagen bin.
 Quoting: VeritasN1


Also Du in der Szene aufgeschlagen bist war das dann mit dem Kopf zuerst? Das würde einiges erklären... s226
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1760596


Fuck yourself you little cult motherfucker. Enjoy your lenseflares and your bloody world of idiocy. This is the point where most cultists end: youtube and some other idiots spamming around with hilarious lenseflare clips.

It is like I have told you braindead nobrainer. You will only see flares there. And if you use blockheads like Alberto as your choice of information you will end up between some old floppy disks. I thought that we at least have some CDs or DVDs now. Flaretardo should try to make some new progressive pictures with them. I still remember Niels N. who tried to find Nobeeryou by making pics through the inner hole of a CD. Such nonsense will bring you closer to Nancy and you really have to see things through your cultist heart then, moron.

To be honest weird cultists who still believe in the lies of naugthy Nancy deserve nothing else.

I guess it was wrong to change the language or try to be nice. Yes, you`re not rational, you have no idea about astronomy, you would thinkbump that every birthday cake is Nibiru (when it`s depicted with photoshop)...

So you can wait some more years and as there will always be some idiots on youtube who are presenting their latest lenseflares aunt Nanny will keep you happy. That`s it. Easy like that.

And in late September your aunt Nanny will present you the latest excuses why Obama made no announcement. Next year around this time you will still wait for the same bogus.
You`re a cultist.

crazyjakfeedtroll
 Quoting: VeritasN1


More deranged bull shit from the shill extraordinaire, Big V, the baddest shill of them all.

Look at the way Big V speaks, such elegance and compassion in his words, truly the sort of person you should trust!!! ;)

This thread is completely insane, I am merely posting here because I care about the sanity of my fellow friends.

Why don't you go ahead and commit your self Big V from *canada* with the proper care and medication you could be cured of your derangement.

Please, for the love of God... Get help...

crazyjakcrazyjakcrazyjak

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You mad?
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Also Du in der Szene aufgeschlagen bist war das dann mit dem Kopf zuerst? Das würde einiges erklären... s226
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1760596


Fuck yourself you little cult motherfucker. Enjoy your lenseflares and your bloody world of idiocy. This is the point where most cultists end: youtube and some other idiots spamming around with hilarious lenseflare clips.

It is like I have told you braindead nobrainer. You will only see flares there. And if you use blockheads like Alberto as your choice of information you will end up between some old floppy disks. I thought that we at least have some CDs or DVDs now. Flaretardo should try to make some new progressive pictures with them. I still remember Niels N. who tried to find Nobeeryou by making pics through the inner hole of a CD. Such nonsense will bring you closer to Nancy and you really have to see things through your cultist heart then, moron.

To be honest weird cultists who still believe in the lies of naugthy Nancy deserve nothing else.

I guess it was wrong to change the language or try to be nice. Yes, you`re not rational, you have no idea about astronomy, you would thinkbump that every birthday cake is Nibiru (when it`s depicted with photoshop)...

So you can wait some more years and as there will always be some idiots on youtube who are presenting their latest lenseflares aunt Nanny will keep you happy. That`s it. Easy like that.

And in late September your aunt Nanny will present you the latest excuses why Obama made no announcement. Next year around this time you will still wait for the same bogus.
You`re a cultist.

crazyjakfeedtroll
 Quoting: VeritasN1


More deranged bull shit from the shill extraordinaire, Big V, the baddest shill of them all.

Look at the way Big V speaks, such elegance and compassion in his words, truly the sort of person you should trust!!! ;)

This thread is completely insane, I am merely posting here because I care about the sanity of my fellow friends.

Why don't you go ahead and commit your self Big V from *canada* with the proper care and medication you could be cured of your derangement.

Please, for the love of God... Get help...

crazyjakcrazyjakcrazyjak

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You mad?
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


yes
This thread is completely insane, I am merely posting here because I care about the sanity of my fellow friends.
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This thread is more than a thousand pages long and a couple of postings do NOT represent the entire body.

Why do you think you have to care for the sanity of your friends over here?

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Fuck yourself you little cult motherfucker. Enjoy your lenseflares and your bloody world of idiocy. This is the point where most cultists end: youtube and some other idiots spamming around with hilarious lenseflare clips.

It is like I have told you braindead nobrainer. You will only see flares there. And if you use blockheads like Alberto as your choice of information you will end up between some old floppy disks. I thought that we at least have some CDs or DVDs now. Flaretardo should try to make some new progressive pictures with them. I still remember Niels N. who tried to find Nobeeryou by making pics through the inner hole of a CD. Such nonsense will bring you closer to Nancy and you really have to see things through your cultist heart then, moron.

To be honest weird cultists who still believe in the lies of naugthy Nancy deserve nothing else.

I guess it was wrong to change the language or try to be nice. Yes, you`re not rational, you have no idea about astronomy, you would thinkbump that every birthday cake is Nibiru (when it`s depicted with photoshop)...

So you can wait some more years and as there will always be some idiots on youtube who are presenting their latest lenseflares aunt Nanny will keep you happy. That`s it. Easy like that.

And in late September your aunt Nanny will present you the latest excuses why Obama made no announcement. Next year around this time you will still wait for the same bogus.
You`re a cultist.

crazyjakfeedtroll
 Quoting: VeritasN1


More deranged bull shit from the shill extraordinaire, Big V, the baddest shill of them all.

Look at the way Big V speaks, such elegance and compassion in his words, truly the sort of person you should trust!!! ;)

This thread is completely insane, I am merely posting here because I care about the sanity of my fellow friends.

Why don't you go ahead and commit your self Big V from *canada* with the proper care and medication you could be cured of your derangement.

Please, for the love of God... Get help...

crazyjakcrazyjakcrazyjak

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You mad?
 Quoting: #Geomagnetic_Storm#


:yes:
This thread is completely insane, I am merely posting here because I care about the sanity of my fellow friends.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1624005


This thread is more than a thousand pages long and a couple of postings do NOT represent the entire body.

Why do you think you have to care for the sanity of your friends over here?
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


Why?????

Are you completely blind???

Why do you think??????? You are obsessed, and possess the most ironic name in the history of the internet, talk about tunnel vision. They should have your picture in the dictionary under tunnel-vision.

Please, I care for you, seek help, now.

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