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Heads-up, fake image of ISON is making the rounds. It's actually comet Linear in the constellation Cygnus. I sent an email to the webmaster at spaceweather where the image seemed to originate (well, that's where GLP'ers got a hold of it) and they added a note about the image in the comments, but since it already hit a couple threads here I figured I'd post this here for future reference by others who might encounter the "amazing" capture of "ISON" on August 2nd (!).
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Well, IDW/A.A may have retreated from GLP for the moment, given some possible yicky revelations. We'll see if he comes back -- though I still have some dates in the near future that will call for reposting the List whether he is here or not.

It may be my imagination, but it also seems to me that Nancy is losing steam as well. I suppose we'll see what effect her Russia appearances are going to have (or did those happen already?) -- but I'm not sure they will be enough to revitalize her cult.

Solar Guardian's August is here, and running out pretty fast as well. I wonder what the excuses will be?

So, all in all, it seems it is not a bad time to be a debunker.
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Well, IDW/A.A may have retreated from GLP for the moment, given some possible yicky revelations. We'll see if he comes back -- though I still have some dates in the near future that will call for reposting the List whether he is here or not.
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Good call.

It may be my imagination, but it also seems to me that Nancy is losing steam as well. I suppose we'll see what effect her Russia appearances are going to have (or did those happen already?) -- but I'm not sure they will be enough to revitalize her cult.
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Not your imagination.
Absolutely lost steam recently... also among the debunkers...
The TV-appearance already happened on their mystery-show and it seems she rather lost credibility than gaining it.


Solar Guardian's August is here, and running out pretty fast as well. I wonder what the excuses will be?
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He is already backpaddling to other dates even though he claims his "dreams" led him towards these days.
Tolec from the Andromeda-BS-dpt. seemingly just tries to let dust settle on the whole story.
I think SG learned his lesson, although Im not sure if that will really takle off his biases and confusion.
We shall see.
Thread: Who will go to another 3D planet onboard Andromedan Biosphere this August 2013? Updated 23/7/2014: Timeline may have changed to August 2014 OMG!! (Page 22)


So, all in all, it seems it is not a bad time to be a debunker.
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Absolutely. Its never a bad time trying to be rational and objective....

I tried to engage on FB groups too, the most recent: the hollow earth BS... And guess peoples reaction when you confront them with empirical evidence:

As soon as the word "science" falls the whole discussion derails into back and forth about the definition of science only to conclude that science is not always "mainstream indoctrinated/manipulated hogwash" and of course not perfect, so in all you'll have to beat the dead horse for a long time before productive discussion is possible.

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Can someone explain please what the ningtards got wrong in their latest blog

poleshift dot ning dot com/profiles/blogs/webcams-and-archives-earth-wobble-and-plan​et-x-in-real-time

Please look at the first three photos. What's wrong here? Thanks!
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Can someone explain please what the ningtards got wrong in their latest blog

poleshift dot ning dot com/profiles/blogs/webcams-and-archives-earth-wobble-and-plan​et-x-in-real-time

Please look at the first three photos. What's wrong here? Thanks!
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There is a lot wrong.

1) Why do they change the sequence of the photos: 05:59:05 - 05:59:10 - 05:59:09 ?
If you bring it into the right sequence, you can estimate that there are clouds around the sun: 1st pic little sunlight, 2nd pic full sunlight, 3rd pic lesser sunlight.

2) What does it mean "Sunlight Striking High/Low"?
If you decrese the brightness, you will see that in all three photos the brightest spot is 1/3 below of the top of the building.

3) The claim "Valley lighted" is simply wrong.
Decrese the brightness of the 3rd pic until it fits the brightness of the 1st pic and you will see that "Valley lighted" is bullshit.


Now look at the photo below "More Shadows Change on the Buildings in these dates:"

Time difference in both equation = more than 2 minutes.
This accounts in a difference in the suns position above the sky of 32.5 arcmin = 0.54° = more than one sun diameter.
Taking into account atmospheric refraction, highest close to the horizon, this is more than sufficient to change the shadow in the way shown in the pictures.

The Ning-tards seem to be quite desperate when they try to make up an alleged Earth wobble with pictures like this.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Can someone explain please what the ningtards got wrong in their latest blog

poleshift dot ning dot com/profiles/blogs/webcams-and-archives-earth-wobble-and-plan​et-x-in-real-time

Please look at the first three photos. What's wrong here? Thanks!
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There is a lot wrong.

1) Why do they change the sequence of the photos: 05:59:05 - 05:59:10 - 05:59:09 ?
If you bring it into the right sequence, you can estimate that there are clouds around the sun: 1st pic little sunlight, 2nd pic full sunlight, 3rd pic lesser sunlight.

2) What does it mean "Sunlight Striking High/Low"?
If you decrese the brightness, you will see that in all three photos the brightest spot is 1/3 below of the top of the building.

3) The claim "Valley lighted" is simply wrong.
Decrese the brightness of the 3rd pic until it fits the brightness of the 1st pic and you will see that "Valley lighted" is bullshit.


Now look at the photo below "More Shadows Change on the Buildings in these dates:"

Time difference in both equation = more than 2 minutes.
This accounts in a difference in the suns position above the sky of 32.5 arcmin = 0.54° = more than one sun diameter.
Taking into account atmospheric refraction, highest close to the horizon, this is more than sufficient to change the shadow in the way shown in the pictures.

The Ning-tards seem to be quite desperate when they try to make up an alleged Earth wobble with pictures like this.

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1) Why do they change the sequence of the photos: 05:59:05 - 05:59:10 - 05:59:09 ?
 Quoting: Hydra


May 17 2008 05:59:05
May 17 2012 05:59:10
May 17 2013 05:59:09
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I wonder if Art Bell will have her on his new show when it starts next month.
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Can someone explain please what the ningtards got wrong in their latest blog

poleshift dot ning dot com/profiles/blogs/webcams-and-archives-earth-wobble-and-plan​et-x-in-real-time

Please look at the first three photos. What's wrong here? Thanks!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44944530

There is a lot wrong.

1) Why do they change the sequence of the photos: 05:59:05 - 05:59:10 - 05:59:09 ?
If you bring it into the right sequence, you can estimate that there are clouds around the sun: 1st pic little sunlight, 2nd pic full sunlight, 3rd pic lesser sunlight.

2) What does it mean "Sunlight Striking High/Low"?
If you decrese the brightness, you will see that in all three photos the brightest spot is 1/3 below of the top of the building.

3) The claim "Valley lighted" is simply wrong.
Decrese the brightness of the 3rd pic until it fits the brightness of the 1st pic and you will see that "Valley lighted" is bullshit.


Now look at the photo below "More Shadows Change on the Buildings in these dates:"

Time difference in both equation = more than 2 minutes.
This accounts in a difference in the suns position above the sky of 32.5 arcmin = 0.54° = more than one sun diameter.
Taking into account atmospheric refraction, highest close to the horizon, this is more than sufficient to change the shadow in the way shown in the pictures.

The Ning-tards seem to be quite desperate when they try to make up an alleged Earth wobble with pictures like this.

.
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1) Why do they change the sequence of the photos: 05:59:05 - 05:59:10 - 05:59:09 ?
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May 17 2008 05:59:05
May 17 2012 05:59:10
May 17 2013 05:59:09
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My fault not to look at the year.

Still left 2) and 3) and the third picture in the post.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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I think that the Ning itself has lost way too much credibility to struggle on much longer, however the whole *second sun + companions* seems to be gaining unwarranted momentum. When the front door is shabby, invite people through the back door.
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So many second sun/Nibiru threads these past couple days.....




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So many second sun/Nibiru threads these past couple days.....
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Indeed.

It seems whenever we have some interesting events like the the sun chaning poles, meteor showers, comets etc.. the whole doom-tards get a new boost.

Some people really would like to see this planet going down.
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So many second sun/Nibiru threads these past couple days.....
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Indeed.

It seems whenever we have some interesting events like the the sun chaning poles, meteor showers, comets etc.. the whole doom-tards get a new boost.

Some people really would like to see this planet going down.
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I think they are attracted to the “idea” of it and the idea they have in their heads resembles an exciting Hollywood movie. However, if said scenarios came to fruition, I know they would quickly be wishing for the hated “normalcy” of their current lives.

There is nothing sexy about real life apocalypse and/or catastrophe.
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I think they are attracted to the “idea” of it and the idea they have in their heads resembles an exciting Hollywood movie. However, if said scenarios came to fruition, I know they would quickly be wishing for the hated “normalcy” of their current lives.

There is nothing sexy about real life apocalypse and/or catastrophe.
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I agree... unfortunately such an attitude often leads to a passive form of resignation and when they realize it was nothing but imagination they might feel further depressed by the flattening nature of such a realization..
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I think they are attracted to the “idea” of it and the idea they have in their heads resembles an exciting Hollywood movie. However, if said scenarios came to fruition, I know they would quickly be wishing for the hated “normalcy” of their current lives.

There is nothing sexy about real life apocalypse and/or catastrophe.
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I agree... unfortunately such an attitude often leads to a passive form of resignation and when they realize it was nothing but imagination they might feel further depressed by the flattening nature of such a realization..
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Absolutely, and that state of mind serves as an obstacle to recovery.

They don’t want to extract themselves from their fictional dramas as they fear there may be a loss of excitement or a feeling that they are no longer “special”.
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I think that the Ning itself has lost way too much credibility to struggle on much longer, however the whole *second sun + companions* seems to be gaining unwarranted momentum. When the front door is shabby, invite people through the back door.
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Ahem; as I said ;)
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Absolutely, and that state of mind serves as an obstacle to recovery.

They don’t want to extract themselves from their fictional dramas as they fear there may be a loss of excitement or a feeling that they are no longer “special”.
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True!
The "special" reminded me about a realization I had over the matter which I put out as following:
"I always wanted to be special,
and all I found myself to be was normal."


I guess there are various ways to interprate it, but Im thinking that everyone of us is indeed "special = normal" in one way or another while at the same time we are capable of loosing ourselves in the search of our own, to just remember what we already knew.
That we are special, unique and this is perfectly normal.

Now what is "special"?
Guess thats the point were perception differs.

Probably the hook-point for Sharlatans to inject on the matter.

I think that the Ning itself has lost way too much credibility to struggle on much longer, however the whole *second sun + companions* seems to be gaining unwarranted momentum. When the front door is shabby, invite people through the back door.
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Ahem; as I said ;)
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Indeed!

Although I wouldn't bet on the housekeeping of the back door either!
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I just had to share this with you.....I was crying with laughter!

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I just had to share this with you.....I was crying with laughter!

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, AWESOME!
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I just had to share this with you.....I was crying with laughter!

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, AWESOME!
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The whale is my favourite! Glad you enjoyed it :))
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So many second sun/Nibiru threads these past couple days.....




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It must be a quarterly effect as it seems these people pop out just before or after spring, summer, fall, winter, starts every time. I been living here in canada and never seen anything crazy effects off the sun like they have. I seen the photos these individuals trying to pass off as "nobeer4you" in other threads if such a thing existed. Amazing how much they want to believe its real all those lens flares or captured photos of the moon behind the small clouds. PT Barnum best describe this "A sucker is born every minute" as well as "There is a silver lining in every crowd" which basically means if there is money to be made off gullible people someone is going try to take advantage of them.
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Hey everyone, I came across this forum when all of that Pattie Brassard interview stuff came out, so I apologise in advance because I know I shouldn't be here on this topic. I've never believe any doomsday predictions in my life, but for some reason this one I randomly have moments where I wonder if it might be true, even though I wouldn't say I believe it. So I'm here just to try to kill off those little moments where I'm being illogical, if that's OK. I won't interrupt your thread after this post, I just know that this is where all the debunkers are speaking, so figured asking here was a good idea.

A planet four times the size of Jupiter, you'd definitely be able to see it by now, wouldn't you? Either with the naked eye, or through a telescope. I don't know how close she claimed the second sun or planet would be to Earth, but it sounds like something you'd definitely be able to see (or feel?) by now, right?

Also, this one's really just out of curiosity because I've never paid any attention to hoaxers or such things. Is it normal for hoaxers to claim things that are so easy to disprove? By which I mean, if you've predicted the end of the world by something in the Bible, you can neither prove nor disprove that, because it's the Bible. Whereas this woman said that if you're looking with the right viewer, you should see the second sun to the lower right of our sun. This sounds pretty stupid to me, because you can simply look at the sun and not see it, therefore proving it wrong. Why would someone say something easy to disprove as part of a hoax, is it a common thing to do? Seems stupid to me.

Anyway, sorry again for posting here, I'm just hoping for intelligent people to reply with their facts, therefore putting the nail in the coffin to my illogical thoughts. Thanks a lot.
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Hey everyone, I came across this forum when all of that Pattie Brassard interview stuff came out, so I apologise in advance because I know I shouldn't be here on this topic. I've never believe any doomsday predictions in my life, but for some reason this one I randomly have moments where I wonder if it might be true, even though I wouldn't say I believe it. So I'm here just to try to kill off those little moments where I'm being illogical, if that's OK. I won't interrupt your thread after this post, I just know that this is where all the debunkers are speaking, so figured asking here was a good idea.

A planet four times the size of Jupiter, you'd definitely be able to see it by now, wouldn't you? Either with the naked eye, or through a telescope. I don't know how close she claimed the second sun or planet would be to Earth, but it sounds like something you'd definitely be able to see (or feel?) by now, right?

Also, this one's really just out of curiosity because I've never paid any attention to hoaxers or such things. Is it normal for hoaxers to claim things that are so easy to disprove? By which I mean, if you've predicted the end of the world by something in the Bible, you can neither prove nor disprove that, because it's the Bible. Whereas this woman said that if you're looking with the right viewer, you should see the second sun to the lower right of our sun. This sounds pretty stupid to me, because you can simply look at the sun and not see it, therefore proving it wrong. Why would someone say something easy to disprove as part of a hoax, is it a common thing to do? Seems stupid to me.

Anyway, sorry again for posting here, I'm just hoping for intelligent people to reply with their facts, therefore putting the nail in the coffin to my illogical thoughts. Thanks a lot.
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Yes. You'd be able to see it. For many months, naked-eye, and for decades with a telescope. There is no way anything like that could sneak in to be near the sun without being seen by thousands of astronomers.
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Hey everyone, I came across this forum when all of that Pattie Brassard interview stuff came out, so I apologise in advance because I know I shouldn't be here on this topic. I've never believe any doomsday predictions in my life, but for some reason this one I randomly have moments where I wonder if it might be true, even though I wouldn't say I believe it. So I'm here just to try to kill off those little moments where I'm being illogical, if that's OK. I won't interrupt your thread after this post, I just know that this is where all the debunkers are speaking, so figured asking here was a good idea.

A planet four times the size of Jupiter, you'd definitely be able to see it by now, wouldn't you? Either with the naked eye, or through a telescope. I don't know how close she claimed the second sun or planet would be to Earth, but it sounds like something you'd definitely be able to see (or feel?) by now, right?

Also, this one's really just out of curiosity because I've never paid any attention to hoaxers or such things. Is it normal for hoaxers to claim things that are so easy to disprove? By which I mean, if you've predicted the end of the world by something in the Bible, you can neither prove nor disprove that, because it's the Bible. Whereas this woman said that if you're looking with the right viewer, you should see the second sun to the lower right of our sun. This sounds pretty stupid to me, because you can simply look at the sun and not see it, therefore proving it wrong. Why would someone say something easy to disprove as part of a hoax, is it a common thing to do? Seems stupid to me.

Anyway, sorry again for posting here, I'm just hoping for intelligent people to reply with their facts, therefore putting the nail in the coffin to my illogical thoughts. Thanks a lot.
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No apologies necessary. I think all of us here appreciate genuine questions and respect the fact that you are being honest with yourself. That will serve you well when attempting to navigate through all of this doomsday hoopla.

I agree with Menow’s comments. Astronomers (professional and amateur alike) live for new discoveries. We would easily detect anything of that size near our sun and you would quickly know about iy because there is simply no hiding something like that. Of course there are also the gravitational consequences such an object would have and we see no such perturbations.
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Hey everyone, I came across this forum when all of that Pattie Brassard interview stuff came out, so I apologise in advance because I know I shouldn't be here on this topic. I've never believe any doomsday predictions in my life, but for some reason this one I randomly have moments where I wonder if it might be true, even though I wouldn't say I believe it. So I'm here just to try to kill off those little moments where I'm being illogical, if that's OK. I won't interrupt your thread after this post, I just know that this is where all the debunkers are speaking, so figured asking here was a good idea.
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Welcome. And please feel free to converse more! You've only scratched the surface with your post.

A planet four times the size of Jupiter, you'd definitely be able to see it by now, wouldn't you? Either with the naked eye, or through a telescope. I don't know how close she claimed the second sun or planet would be to Earth, but it sounds like something you'd definitely be able to see (or feel?) by now, right?
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Oh my, yes. Look at how bright Venus can be. Now imagine that Venus were much, much larger. Of course you'd be able to see it.

Also, you'd get the object doing things like transiting the Sun -- something PX never seems to be able to do.

Also, this one's really just out of curiosity because I've never paid any attention to hoaxers or such things. Is it normal for hoaxers to claim things that are so easy to disprove?
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Sure. Heaven's Gate comes to mind.


By which I mean, if you've predicted the end of the world by something in the Bible, you can neither prove nor disprove that, because it's the Bible. Whereas this woman said that if you're looking with the right viewer, you should see the second sun to the lower right of our sun. This sounds pretty stupid to me, because you can simply look at the sun and not see it, therefore proving it wrong.
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Yes. But in cults (for lack of a better term) believers will shape their perceptions to the belief rather than the other way around. People have believed all sorts of strange things that are contrary to perception or even measurement. Nancy's cult is no exception.


Why would someone say something easy to disprove as part of a hoax, is it a common thing to do? Seems stupid to me.
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It isn't about intelligence, necessarily. Very intelligent people have bought into cults in the past. And you may have the knowledge to easily disprove that the Earth is not halted in its orbit, as Nancy has claimed for years -- but if one doesn't have the knowledge about the Sun hiding certain constellations at certain times, how could one know, or prove it to another? Secondly, the aliens, it will be claimed, are merely *testing one's faith.* Believe Nancy, not your lying eyes.

Anyway, sorry again for posting here, I'm just hoping for intelligent people to reply with their facts, therefore putting the nail in the coffin to my illogical thoughts. Thanks a lot.
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Thinking rationally about such issues takes practice. You are asking the right questions. Might I recommend Carl Sagan's "Demon Haunted World," and Festinger's "When Prophecy Fails" for further insights.
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Why would someone say something easy to disprove as part of a hoax, is it a common thing to do? Seems stupid to me.
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In my opinion this is a method to create further "dissonance".
What I mean is, that currently you just have these illogical thoughts on occasion which is perfectly normal for a human brain (I guess).

Problems can evolve when others try to further "dissonate" you from your regular way of thinking into an illogical belief that becomes your new "reality".

How can someone create further "dissonance"?
If that person or ideology perviously gained trust among their believers, throwing out some totally illogical claim can further create "dissonance" because they will be faced with a conflict of their previous beliefs(actually the portrayed belief of the guru) and the rational mind (themselves).
Unfortunately, it appears many choose to stay in the "cozy feeling" and avoid conflicts with their beliefsystem.
If this type of "dissonance" starts to be dictating the thought-process these people will mistrust anyone(even their own judgement) and only trust what their guru/group/source says.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Anyway, sorry again for posting here, I'm just hoping for intelligent people to reply with their facts, therefore putting the nail in the coffin to my illogical thoughts. Thanks a lot.
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As for me, I very much appreciate your courage to step forward with your thoughts and personal conflicts!
Welcome
hf



The whale is my favourite! Glad you enjoyed it :))
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lmao
Mine was the lizard.
But after the bloppers (accessible at the end of the video) I thought these guys are rather
norespect
lol

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Well, for some the lenseflare season never ends. And they are always making the same stupid mistakes and think they`ve found a planet. If it was there you could see it with your naked eye (not only through your smartphone or some weird old floppy discs. This is completely crazy.

But cults don’t follow a logic pattern. Their system depends on pseudo religion and pseudo science. And I was absolutely right that Nancy tries to avoid now any precise date for the announcement. She tends to use vague predictions she can correct later with some lame excuses. Now she claims that her aliens don’t want to give the cultists the date or timeline for the so called announcement. Last year in September she didn`t have the slightest problem to give a more or less precise date. But like always when it comes to LIEDer`s predictions they will end in complete failure. This year she claimed that the accouncement was imminent and will most likely happen in July or August. Now she forgot this again and tries to change her prediction to fool the gullible further.

She even uses this failed prediction as an excuse for her big hoax with the 7 of 10 which was a tempest in a teapot. It simply didn`t happen. It`s incredible that Nancy`s bigots were collecting faked data to prove her 7 of 10 theory,- especially to prove the sinking of Indonesia. One and a half years ago she still claimed the Sunda Plate was under water. Now she says: “Hey cultists, it was all a joke. But this doesn’t matter because Obama will soon make a kind of announcement.”

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Yes. You'd be able to see it. For many months, naked-eye, and for decades with a telescope. There is no way anything like that could sneak in to be near the sun without being seen by thousands of astronomers.
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Astronomers - both professionals and amateurs - would trace an object of that size that is on it`s way into the inner solar system more than a decade before it would arrive.
Besides that Nancy`s claim that it is hidden in a dust cloud is completely hilarious. The dust cloud would make a planet even more visible especially if it was close to the sun. This dust cloud would cover a part of the sun like in a transit. Nobody could miss it.
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Thanks for all of your replied, it's greatly appreciated. Just one more question, if that's OK. I just saw this video:



I know the two specs of light that move around are lens flares, but the one that doesn't move with the camera you can see lowering as time goes on in the video, so presumably it isn't something from the camera. Is it most likely the moon, or is that not possible?
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Thanks for all of your replied, it's greatly appreciated. Just one more question, if that's OK. I just saw this video:



I know the two specs of light that move around are lens flares, but the one that doesn't move with the camera you can see lowering as time goes on in the video, so presumably it isn't something from the camera. Is it most likely the moon, or is that not possible?
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Lens reflection/refraction can occur in many different ways.

Your main argument against such videos should be that a REAL physical planet would have vast implications on various scales and it would be impossible to hide it from people around the world.

In this video it doesn't look like the moon either, so again I tip on a reflection.
At around 4:22min you can see a similar reflection (in size and appearance) at 12 o clock.

These type of videos are always done with amateur-equipment but you'll never see something like that on a telescope with proper filters in my opinion.

Ad hoc:
I created this video a while back, to show that a lens flare does not necessarily has to move, unless you change angle between sheets (Camera and Filter for example).

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