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Hmmm, I guess your username says it all. Funny how most of Nancy's "supporters" are all anonymous.
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Nancy still maintains that Earth is, and has been, halted in orbit. Further, she still claims that constellations behind the sun can be made visible simply by tilting or "bobbing" the Earth. She even has a new "sock puppet" who believes her and claims that (surprise) the moon is too far south and that Orion is turned counter-clockwise.
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RA is Right Angle?

Oh man. Now that is comedy gold.

But of course all her old assertions and predictions are still correct! Using advanced Zeta mathematics, 1 = 2 = 3 = any damned thing you *want* it to equal.

And as for ZetaMax's complelling explanation that there is no zero, well, he's a clever devil too. Hey Max, can I borrow all the money you have? Because even if you give me all of it, you'll still have an equivalent amount left, right?

So refusing me is just greedy, and that's oh-so STS.
 Quoting: Returner 997

Ah - just one little note of relevance ...

I HAVE ***NEVER*** POSTED ***ANY*** OPINION ABOUT THE ZETA'S ASSERTION THAT THERE IS NO ZERO.

NEVER, NADA, NOT AT **ALL**.

Any anyone who says I have is guilty of telling a:

bald_lie
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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You're "assuming" that everyone with "any" intelligence views the bible as nothing more than than a superstitious collection of fairy tales sprinkled with a handful of factual historical "settings" such that Pilot really WAS a Roman official, Herod really was a Jewish King, and the Jews actually did have a Temple where the Dome of the Rock sits today. Otherwise - it's TOTAL fiction.



You are the one that is assuming. I am just making an observation from my point of view. I am not assuming anything. BTW, that's Pilate, not Pilot. I am not debating the historical merit of the Bible. I have read the Book front to back in 3 languages, 7 versions. They are all different. Not the kind of thing I can take at face value, when the different religions have contradictory versions. Too many people have been killed in the name of the words written in the book for me to chain my wagon to it.


Well - not "everyone" shares your viewpoint BUCKO!

Perhaps there REALLY IS some "reality" behind the "heaven", "purgatory", "hell" triad??? (And yes I know that "purgatory" is a Catholic Doctrine "thing" - and not strictly biblical)

Can't be "proved" of course - BUT CAN'T BE DISMISSED EITHER.


Of course not everyone shares my viewpoint. Too many people follow empty doctrine, and sometimes they drop it, only to follow another equally castrating and soul negating one in its place. Heaven and Hell only exist in the polarity driven human interpretation of the universe. Believe me, the universe is much more simple yet much more complex than we can comprehend. If you prefer to go to heaven, that's your choice. I hope it really does exist and you get there as you expected. Personally, I would like to go somewhere beyond Heaven and/or Hell.
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>> Not the kind of thing I can take at face value, when the different religions have contradictory versions.

The Bible contradicts *itself* in numerous places. Where have I said that anyone should "accept" anything "unskeptically" - whether that be the Bible **OR** ZetaTalk. Personally I treat ZetaTalk the same as I do the Bible, the Bhaghavad Gita, The Tao de Ching, The Matthew Books, The Messages from Michael series (probably my all time favorite), The Seth Material, Edgar Cayce's stuff, Sitchen's stuff, Velikovsky's stuff, etc, etc. However, I go BEYOND that, and toss into the "with a grain of salt" soup, modern physics, astrophysics, virology, archeology, psychology, geology, etc, etc. I "borrow" a tenet of any of these when it is "useful" to me, and ignore it when it is not. I accept nothing as a "given", and dismiss nothing as a "certainty". I live in a gray world, not a black and white one.

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 09/26/2009 04:34 AM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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Nothing in the spiritual realm can be proven or totally dismissed except as personal opinion. That isn't the basis of the debunker objections to Zetatalk. It is the concrete claims and predictions which are proven to have failed without a doubt, no matter how many lame excuses and bullshit "explanations" Nancy may make. Learn the difference.


And it logically follows that if all of her other predictions and explanations have been proven to be incorrect that her writings on spirituality are probably also flawed and not worth exploring.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

Gosh - I could say the same thing about modern geology!
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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First of all. Who says that those who are STO don't sin?. It has nothing to do with sinners or being Rightious.
It is either total love for the self. Or that one cares about another as one cares about himself.

Who says that one who is STO always has to be nice and friendly?

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For what i know zetatalk doesn't say that those who are STS are damned.


Nancy says that the STS will be sent to a PP, a planet where STS souls will be imprisoned. The undecided will reincarnate as octopus beings in a water world. Only the people that fall squarely in the STO category will inhabit a renewed earth and make zeta/human hybrid babies. That's what Nancy says. Now tell me how that is different from obeying God and going to heaven, or being sent to hell where there is gnashing of teeth if you are wicked, or spending some time in purgatory if you are lukewarm? It isn't.

The truth is that we are all unique.It is a disservice to all of us to categorize all of humanity into 3 categories.

Good and Evil, selfish and selfless are subjective moralizations. They mean nothing. The universal truth contains light and dark. They are inseparable, they are two sides of the same coin. Human consciousness has trouble seeing the whole picture, which is why we tend to take the whole and break it down into two opposing polarities. We imbue each polarity with a moral value, good or bad, light or dark, evil or righteous. One polarity always has good connotations, and the other is bad.

As long as we continue to put moral judgment on half of all that exists in the universe, we will be led by the noses in fear of punishment and our deeds will be driven by the promise of reward. Until we are all true to our own natures, humanity is not likely to develop in a positive direction.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


>> Good and Evil, selfish and selfless are subjective moralizations. They mean nothing.

This is nothing more Crowley's amoral "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" billshit

Thanks for revealing your TRUE COLORS and "leanings".

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 09/26/2009 04:41 AM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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First of all. Who says that those who are STO don't sin?. It has nothing to do with sinners or being Rightious.
It is either total love for the self. Or that one cares about another as one cares about himself.

Who says that one who is STO always has to be nice and friendly?

Gerard
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

For what i know zetatalk doesn't say that those who are STS are damned.


Nancy says that the STS will be sent to a PP, a planet where STS souls will be imprisoned. The undecided will reincarnate as octopus beings in a water world. Only the people that fall squarely in the STO category will inhabit a renewed earth and make zeta/human hybrid babies. That's what Nancy says. Now tell me how that is different from obeying God and going to heaven, or being sent to hell where there is gnashing of teeth if you are wicked, or spending some time in purgatory if you are lukewarm? It isn't.

The truth is that we are all unique.It is a disservice to all of us to categorize all of humanity into 3 categories.

Good and Evil, selfish and selfless are subjective moralizations. They mean nothing. The universal truth contains light and dark. They are inseparable, they are two sides of the same coin. Human consciousness has trouble seeing the whole picture, which is why we tend to take the whole and break it down into two opposing polarities. We imbue each polarity with a moral value, good or bad, light or dark, evil or righteous. One polarity always has good connotations, and the other is bad.

As long as we continue to put moral judgment on half of all that exists in the universe, we will be led by the noses in fear of punishment and our deeds will be driven by the promise of reward. Until we are all true to our own natures, humanity is not likely to develop in a positive direction.

>> Nancy says that the STS will be sent to a PP, a planet where STS souls will be imprisoned. The undecided will reincarnate as octopus beings in a water world. Only the people that fall squarely in the STO category will inhabit a renewed earth and make zeta/human hybrid babies. That's what Nancy says. Now tell me how that is different from obeying God and going to heaven, or being sent to hell where there is gnashing of teeth if you are wicked, or spending some time in purgatory if you are lukewarm? It isn't.

You're "assuming" that everyone with "any" intelligence views the bible as nothing more than than a superstitious collection of fairy tales sprinkled with a handful of factual historical "settings" such that Pilot really WAS a Roman official, Herod really was a Jewish King, and the Jews actually did have a Temple where the Dome of the Rock sits today. Otherwise - it's TOTAL fiction.

Well - not "everyone" shares your viewpoint BUCKO!

Perhaps there REALLY IS some "reality" behind the "heaven", "purgatory", "hell" triad??? (And yes I know that "purgatory" is a Catholic Doctrine "thing" - and not strictly biblical)

Can't be "proved" of course - BUT CAN'T BE DISMISSED EITHER.


Nothing in the spiritual realm can be proven or totally dismissed except as personal opinion. That isn't the basis of the debunker objections to Zetatalk. It is the concrete claims and predictions which are proven to have failed without a doubt, no matter how many lame excuses and bullshit "explanations" Nancy may make. Learn the difference.
 Quoting: Menow 405501

>> It is the concrete claims and predictions which are proven to have failed without a doubt

And where this is indisputably the case, I have acknowledged it as such.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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RA is Right Angle?

Oh man. Now that is comedy gold.

But of course all her old assertions and predictions are still correct! Using advanced Zeta mathematics, 1 = 2 = 3 = any damned thing you *want* it to equal.

And as for ZetaMax's complelling explanation that there is no zero, well, he's a clever devil too. Hey Max, can I borrow all the money you have? Because even if you give me all of it, you'll still have an equivalent amount left, right?

So refusing me is just greedy, and that's oh-so STS.

Ah - just one little note of relevance ...

I HAVE ***NEVER*** POSTED ***ANY*** OPINION ABOUT THE ZETA'S ASSERTION THAT THERE IS NO ZERO.

NEVER, NADA, NOT AT **ALL**.

Any anyone who says I have is guilty of telling a:

bald_lie
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Oh Max, you know that is a lie. You made me belly laugh out loud with that one. It is on the old debunker thread I think, or buried in one of Nancy's tedious threads. I tried searching for the old debunker thread and didn't find it. But I will find the quote and post it.
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Gosh - I could say the same thing about modern geology!
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You could say that, except it isn't true until our current understanding of Geology is proven wrong. Our understanding of various sciences changes all the time as observations are made, tests carried out and data is collected.
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Gerard, are you "STO"? If so, why didn't you have the common courtesy to tell me I was right about the errors on those skycharts on your website and thank me for taking the time to check your work and point out the misleading items you had posted on that page?
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Mennow i changed the page. As i said before i know what i saw.
And i corrected one skychart.

And STO doesn't mean that one has to be nice and friendly all of the time.

I said you are as obnixious now as you where back then, and this thought of mine hasn't changed.

As i guess that even now i changed the page you still find it misleading. Am i right or not?

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For those who are posting over on the bunker thread, remember the boycott. The whole idea is to let Nancy's BS sink to the bottom where it belongs. They are baiting you to keep pumping it. Just bring the logical and factual arguments over here. Don't worry, any bunkers who are participating over there are also watching here.


This weekean I will respect the boycott ... although its very hard ... its so much fun to insult and ridicule her over there ...

My bet:

She will use the following this weekend:

- red skys in Australia
- fictional story of jupiter moon
- India reports water on the moon

^ All posted on GLP this week. This is my bet ... she will say its all caused by planet X ... especially the red sky ... mark my words.
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Here ... another thing she might be using for todays ZetardChat:

Thread: A second El Nino is forming. Potential serious weather consequences.

Thats a good thing, we predict her moves ... FTW !
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As i said before i know what i saw.
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But what you saw and what you're claiming simply didn't happen. Or at least, there's nothing unusual about it.

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Gerard, are you "STO"? If so, why didn't you have the common courtesy to tell me I was right about the errors on those skycharts on your website and thank me for taking the time to check your work and point out the misleading items you had posted on that page?


Mennow i changed the page.
 Quoting: Gerard


Is that what I asked you about? No. Why can't you be direct and honest?

As i said before i know what i saw.
 Quoting: Gerard


Is that what I commented on? No. Why are you bringing THAT up, here?

And i corrected one skychart.
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No, you corrected charts TWICE, all while grousing and claiming that they were already RIGHT. Don't you remember that? Don't you remember denying that your charts were wrong? Don't you remember how I had to keep telling you, over and over again, that they were wrong?

And STO doesn't mean that one has to be nice and friendly all of the time.
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It's not about being "nice and friendly" that I asked you. It's about being ETHICALLY HONEST. It was only ethically proper that you admitted that I was RIGHT all along, even while you foolishly claimed that your charts were correct.

I said you are as obnixious now as you where back then, and this thought of mine hasn't changed.
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You can think whatever you like. After all, you THOUGHT that your charts were correct, hmm? But you were WRONG, hmm?

YOU had the nerve to give me crap about using Amsterdam to check your sky view and claim that it would be way off. I later asked you how far you were from Amsterdam, but you didn't have the courtesy to even answer. Truth is, the view from Amsterdam is VIRTUALLY IDENTICAL to the one you see, now isn't it?

Gerard, YOU were the ass who constantly kicked and banned people from Nancy's IRC chat for simply pointing out where she was WRONG, remember? And she WAS wrong, just as YOU were with your charts. I remember asking you if you think there is no such thing as noise in CCD images. You never had the courtesy to answer. How about NOW, Gerard? Do you think there is no such thing as noise in CCD images? After all that is the CRUX of the debate over Nancy's 2002 images. Even JW Dell has come forward and admitted that Nancy was pointing at NOISE in the images. What's the matter, Gerard, is it beneath you to ADMIT error? There was NO PLANET found in Nancy's images. NEVER, NADA, ZERO, ZITCH, yet you won't even go as far as answering whether you even believe there is SUCH A THING AS NOISE IN IMAGES. What is WRONG with you?

As i guess that even now i changed the page you still find it misleading. Am i right or not?
 Quoting: Gerard


The charts seem correct now, but your claim about the Moon moving some 90 degrees or more around the horizon is clearly wrong. But you won't even discuss WHY your claim HAS to be wrong, now will you Gerard? No, you are too full of yourself and happy with your little bit of fame over this silly PX thing and an association with Nancy Lieder and "Zetas". You would rather preserve your happy little delusion than allow facts and reason to remove the reason for the existence of your pathetic little website altogether.

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If Earth had suddenly shifted 90 degrees in one hour WE WOULD ALL BE DEAD, Gerard. You are simply WRONG and are refusing to listen to any reasoning explaining WHY you are wrong. You insist on your observation simply because it makes you special.

End of story.
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Man, I will get like totally wasted this evening from the imaginary beer I won with my bet.
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If Earth had suddenly shifted 90 degrees in one hour WE WOULD ALL BE DEAD, Gerard. You are simply WRONG and are refusing to listen to any reasoning explaining WHY you are wrong. You insist on your observation simply because it makes you special.

End of story.
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The fact that he has a website at all is something I want to point out. Remember - Nancy claims the government is covering up "Planet X" and taking out anyone who comes forward. Now, one would think: "Hmmm, then why hasn't the government taken care of Nancy?" As we all know, Nancy claims that 1) the "Zetas" are protecting her and 2) the government is supposedly using her site for information. I don't recall Nancy saying that "protection" extended to anyone else....so what's to keep the government from taking care of Gerard and his website? After all, they don't need him for information since he pretty much parrots whatever Nancy says.
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RA is Right Angle?

Oh man. Now that is comedy gold.

But of course all her old assertions and predictions are still correct! Using advanced Zeta mathematics, 1 = 2 = 3 = any damned thing you *want* it to equal.

And as for ZetaMax's complelling explanation that there is no zero, well, he's a clever devil too. Hey Max, can I borrow all the money you have? Because even if you give me all of it, you'll still have an equivalent amount left, right?

So refusing me is just greedy, and that's oh-so STS.

Ah - just one little note of relevance ...

I HAVE ***NEVER*** POSTED ***ANY*** OPINION ABOUT THE ZETA'S ASSERTION THAT THERE IS NO ZERO.

NEVER, NADA, NOT AT **ALL**.

Any anyone who says I have is guilty of telling a:

bald_lie

Oh Max, you know that is a lie. You made me belly laugh out loud with that one. It is on the old debunker thread I think, or buried in one of Nancy's tedious threads. I tried searching for the old debunker thread and didn't find it. But I will find the quote and post it.
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It won't be the first time that a debunker will "pledge" to do something - and it NEVER happens.

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Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 09/26/2009 11:05 AM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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RA is Right Angle?

Oh man. Now that is comedy gold.

But of course all her old assertions and predictions are still correct! Using advanced Zeta mathematics, 1 = 2 = 3 = any damned thing you *want* it to equal.

And as for ZetaMax's complelling explanation that there is no zero, well, he's a clever devil too. Hey Max, can I borrow all the money you have? Because even if you give me all of it, you'll still have an equivalent amount left, right?

So refusing me is just greedy, and that's oh-so STS.

Ah - just one little note of relevance ...

I HAVE ***NEVER*** POSTED ***ANY*** OPINION ABOUT THE ZETA'S ASSERTION THAT THERE IS NO ZERO.

NEVER, NADA, NOT AT **ALL**.

Any anyone who says I have is guilty of telling a:

:bald_lie:

Oh Max, you know that is a lie. You made me belly laugh out loud with that one. It is on the old debunker thread I think, or buried in one of Nancy's tedious threads. I tried searching for the old debunker thread and didn't find it. But I will find the quote and post it.


It won't be the first time that a debunker will "pledge" to do something - and it NEVER happens.

:dwagain:
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That's hilarious. Just as Maxie is in the midst of claiming not to lie, he tells another. Priceless.
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Her Zetas are just silly. No zeros? They don't even grasp basic physical concepts. They can communicate with a daft Earth woman across vast distances but they can't do tenth-grade math problems on Coast to Coast? Which again isn't surprising because they're the creation of a woman who herself probably can't perform any actions more difficult that basic addition and subtraction.


Max came out vociferously defending the no zero maths that the Zetas supposedly use. He gave us an example. He says that if you have 3 apples and then you eat those apples, the result is not zero, because you are digesting those apples and the apples leave residue in the place they were. LOL No kidding!

Another interesting thing that Max not only overlooks, but spins in Nancy's favor is that up until several months ago, Nancy did not even know how to interpret celestial coordinates. We all knew that, we all called her on it, and many of us got bitched down, deleted and/or banned for daring to point that out. Well, then one day, she came out insulting the debunkers because they called her on the supposed position of a constellation in the sky, and she finally discovered while searching for cut and paste on the internet that all that time she had been totally clueless. She thought that RA and Dec were the same things as alt and azimuth. LOL. She still thinks RA stands for Right Angle. Double LOL. Funny thing is that when it was observed that given her new revelation, all of the coordinates and positions she has given over the years are rendered inaccurate. She disagreed, and so did Max. Somehow, they still claim that the coordinates given are right and that certain stars, planets and such are not where they should be. I figure that in order to determine that, you need to know for sure where things are supposed to be, but for Nancy and Max, that isn't necessary. They just know these things.
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KeepingItNOTsoreal, why must you spin info at GLP?

You guys never stop!

It was me that made the 3 apple argument, not ZetaMax. Get your facts straight debunker, and stop misleading willya?
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RA is Right Angle?

Oh man. Now that is comedy gold.

But of course all her old assertions and predictions are still correct! Using advanced Zeta mathematics, 1 = 2 = 3 = any damned thing you *want* it to equal.

And as for ZetaMax's complelling explanation that there is no zero, well, he's a clever devil too. Hey Max, can I borrow all the money you have? Because even if you give me all of it, you'll still have an equivalent amount left, right?

So refusing me is just greedy, and that's oh-so STS.

Ah - just one little note of relevance ...

I HAVE ***NEVER*** POSTED ***ANY*** OPINION ABOUT THE ZETA'S ASSERTION THAT THERE IS NO ZERO.

NEVER, NADA, NOT AT **ALL**.

Any anyone who says I have is guilty of telling a:

bald_lie

Oh Max, you know that is a lie. You made me belly laugh out loud with that one. It is on the old debunker thread I think, or buried in one of Nancy's tedious threads. I tried searching for the old debunker thread and didn't find it. But I will find the quote and post it.
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Go ahead and find that non-existent post from Max liar-boy.

You have a screw loose ... you are a LIAR!

Search my posts and you will find it there. You have proven how much you cannot be trusted.
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RA is Right Angle?

Oh man. Now that is comedy gold.

But of course all her old assertions and predictions are still correct! Using advanced Zeta mathematics, 1 = 2 = 3 = any damned thing you *want* it to equal.

And as for ZetaMax's complelling explanation that there is no zero, well, he's a clever devil too. Hey Max, can I borrow all the money you have? Because even if you give me all of it, you'll still have an equivalent amount left, right?

So refusing me is just greedy, and that's oh-so STS.

Ah - just one little note of relevance ...

I HAVE ***NEVER*** POSTED ***ANY*** OPINION ABOUT THE ZETA'S ASSERTION THAT THERE IS NO ZERO.

NEVER, NADA, NOT AT **ALL**.

Any anyone who says I have is guilty of telling a:

bald_lie

Oh Max, you know that is a lie. You made me belly laugh out loud with that one. It is on the old debunker thread I think, or buried in one of Nancy's tedious threads. I tried searching for the old debunker thread and didn't find it. But I will find the quote and post it.


It won't be the first time that a debunker will "pledge" to do something - and it NEVER happens.

dwagain


That's hilarious. Just as Maxie is in the midst of claiming not to lie, he tells another. Priceless.
 Quoting: Menow 405501




Fuck Me Now, you never cease to amaze!

You just got caught in KeepingitNotsoreal's lie. How does it feel twerp?

You wear your selfish spirit right on your sleave. Imagine that?
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Her Zetas are just silly. No zeros? They don't even grasp basic physical concepts. They can communicate with a daft Earth woman across vast distances but they can't do tenth-grade math problems on Coast to Coast? Which again isn't surprising because they're the creation of a woman who herself probably can't perform any actions more difficult that basic addition and subtraction.


Max came out vociferously defending the no zero maths that the Zetas supposedly use. He gave us an example. He says that if you have 3 apples and then you eat those apples, the result is not zero, because you are digesting those apples and the apples leave residue in the place they were. LOL No kidding!

Another interesting thing that Max not only overlooks, but spins in Nancy's favor is that up until several months ago, Nancy did not even know how to interpret celestial coordinates. We all knew that, we all called her on it, and many of us got bitched down, deleted and/or banned for daring to point that out. Well, then one day, she came out insulting the debunkers because they called her on the supposed position of a constellation in the sky, and she finally discovered while searching for cut and paste on the internet that all that time she had been totally clueless. She thought that RA and Dec were the same things as alt and azimuth. LOL. She still thinks RA stands for Right Angle. Double LOL. Funny thing is that when it was observed that given her new revelation, all of the coordinates and positions she has given over the years are rendered inaccurate. She disagreed, and so did Max. Somehow, they still claim that the coordinates given are right and that certain stars, planets and such are not where they should be. I figure that in order to determine that, you need to know for sure where things are supposed to be, but for Nancy and Max, that isn't necessary. They just know these things.





KeepingItNOTsoreal, why must you spin info at GLP?

You guys never stop!

It was me that made the 3 apple argument, not ZetaMax. Get your facts straight debunker, and stop misleading willya?
 Quoting: User # 78/68


Actually, it was MY thought experiment, originally, about the three apples. Why don't YOU get your facts straight?
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RA is Right Angle?

Oh man. Now that is comedy gold.

But of course all her old assertions and predictions are still correct! Using advanced Zeta mathematics, 1 = 2 = 3 = any damned thing you *want* it to equal.

And as for ZetaMax's complelling explanation that there is no zero, well, he's a clever devil too. Hey Max, can I borrow all the money you have? Because even if you give me all of it, you'll still have an equivalent amount left, right?

So refusing me is just greedy, and that's oh-so STS.

Ah - just one little note of relevance ...

I HAVE ***NEVER*** POSTED ***ANY*** OPINION ABOUT THE ZETA'S ASSERTION THAT THERE IS NO ZERO.

NEVER, NADA, NOT AT **ALL**.

Any anyone who says I have is guilty of telling a:

:bald_lie:

Oh Max, you know that is a lie. You made me belly laugh out loud with that one. It is on the old debunker thread I think, or buried in one of Nancy's tedious threads. I tried searching for the old debunker thread and didn't find it. But I will find the quote and post it.


It won't be the first time that a debunker will "pledge" to do something - and it NEVER happens.

:dwagain:


That's hilarious. Just as Maxie is in the midst of claiming not to lie, he tells another. Priceless.




Fuck Me Now, you never cease to amaze!

You just got caught in KeepingitNotsoreal's lie. How does it feel twerp?

You wear your selfish spirit right on your sleave. Imagine that?
 Quoting: User # 78/68


You don't even take time to READ posts before spewing the company line. Maxie said that debunkers "NEVER" follow their own pledges. That statement of Maxie's was a lie, which is what I pointed out.

Get a life, twerp.
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Her Zetas are just silly. No zeros? They don't even grasp basic physical concepts. They can communicate with a daft Earth woman across vast distances but they can't do tenth-grade math problems on Coast to Coast? Which again isn't surprising because they're the creation of a woman who herself probably can't perform any actions more difficult that basic addition and subtraction.


Max came out vociferously defending the no zero maths that the Zetas supposedly use. He gave us an example. He says that if you have 3 apples and then you eat those apples, the result is not zero, because you are digesting those apples and the apples leave residue in the place they were. LOL No kidding!

Another interesting thing that Max not only overlooks, but spins in Nancy's favor is that up until several months ago, Nancy did not even know how to interpret celestial coordinates. We all knew that, we all called her on it, and many of us got bitched down, deleted and/or banned for daring to point that out. Well, then one day, she came out insulting the debunkers because they called her on the supposed position of a constellation in the sky, and she finally discovered while searching for cut and paste on the internet that all that time she had been totally clueless. She thought that RA and Dec were the same things as alt and azimuth. LOL. She still thinks RA stands for Right Angle. Double LOL. Funny thing is that when it was observed that given her new revelation, all of the coordinates and positions she has given over the years are rendered inaccurate. She disagreed, and so did Max. Somehow, they still claim that the coordinates given are right and that certain stars, planets and such are not where they should be. I figure that in order to determine that, you need to know for sure where things are supposed to be, but for Nancy and Max, that isn't necessary. They just know these things.





KeepingItNOTsoreal, why must you spin info at GLP?

You guys never stop!

It was me that made the 3 apple argument, not ZetaMax. Get your facts straight debunker, and stop misleading willya?


Actually, it was MY thought experiment, originally, about the three apples. Why don't YOU get your facts straight?
 Quoting: Menow 405501





THEN YOU would have known it was ME arguing with you and NOT ZetaMax. Yet, you state ZetaMax lied about this?

So much for your "thought experiment",eh?

What you choose to remember and not remember is very telling MeNow.

You are a very deceitful person, that much is CLEAR!
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RA is Right Angle?

Oh man. Now that is comedy gold.

But of course all her old assertions and predictions are still correct! Using advanced Zeta mathematics, 1 = 2 = 3 = any damned thing you *want* it to equal.

And as for ZetaMax's complelling explanation that there is no zero, well, he's a clever devil too. Hey Max, can I borrow all the money you have? Because even if you give me all of it, you'll still have an equivalent amount left, right?

So refusing me is just greedy, and that's oh-so STS.

Ah - just one little note of relevance ...

I HAVE ***NEVER*** POSTED ***ANY*** OPINION ABOUT THE ZETA'S ASSERTION THAT THERE IS NO ZERO.

NEVER, NADA, NOT AT **ALL**.

Any anyone who says I have is guilty of telling a:

bald_lie

Oh Max, you know that is a lie. You made me belly laugh out loud with that one. It is on the old debunker thread I think, or buried in one of Nancy's tedious threads. I tried searching for the old debunker thread and didn't find it. But I will find the quote and post it.


It won't be the first time that a debunker will "pledge" to do something - and it NEVER happens.

dwagain


That's hilarious. Just as Maxie is in the midst of claiming not to lie, he tells another. Priceless.




Fuck Me Now, you never cease to amaze!

You just got caught in KeepingitNotsoreal's lie. How does it feel twerp?

You wear your selfish spirit right on your sleave. Imagine that?


You don't even take time to READ posts before spewing the company line. Maxie said that debunkers "NEVER" follow their own pledges. That statement of Maxie's was a lie, which is what I pointed out.

Get a life, twerp.
 Quoting: Menow 405501




Keep spinning MeNow ... it looks good on YOU!

heh
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Her Zetas are just silly. No zeros? They don't even grasp basic physical concepts. They can communicate with a daft Earth woman across vast distances but they can't do tenth-grade math problems on Coast to Coast? Which again isn't surprising because they're the creation of a woman who herself probably can't perform any actions more difficult that basic addition and subtraction.


Max came out vociferously defending the no zero maths that the Zetas supposedly use. He gave us an example. He says that if you have 3 apples and then you eat those apples, the result is not zero, because you are digesting those apples and the apples leave residue in the place they were. LOL No kidding!

Another interesting thing that Max not only overlooks, but spins in Nancy's favor is that up until several months ago, Nancy did not even know how to interpret celestial coordinates. We all knew that, we all called her on it, and many of us got bitched down, deleted and/or banned for daring to point that out. Well, then one day, she came out insulting the debunkers because they called her on the supposed position of a constellation in the sky, and she finally discovered while searching for cut and paste on the internet that all that time she had been totally clueless. She thought that RA and Dec were the same things as alt and azimuth. LOL. She still thinks RA stands for Right Angle. Double LOL. Funny thing is that when it was observed that given her new revelation, all of the coordinates and positions she has given over the years are rendered inaccurate. She disagreed, and so did Max. Somehow, they still claim that the coordinates given are right and that certain stars, planets and such are not where they should be. I figure that in order to determine that, you need to know for sure where things are supposed to be, but for Nancy and Max, that isn't necessary. They just know these things.





KeepingItNOTsoreal, why must you spin info at GLP?

You guys never stop!

It was me that made the 3 apple argument, not ZetaMax. Get your facts straight debunker, and stop misleading willya?


Actually, it was MY thought experiment, originally, about the three apples. Why don't YOU get your facts straight?





THEN YOU would have known it was ME arguing with you and NOT ZetaMax. Yet, you state ZetaMax lied about this?

So much for your "thought experiment",eh?

What you choose to remember and not remember is very telling MeNow.

You are a very deceitful person, that much is CLEAR!
 Quoting: User # 78/68


Seriously... what *IS* wrong with you? It wasn't me who brought up that bit and said it was ZetaMax. It was KeepingItReal, as shown above on this very page.
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RA is Right Angle?

Oh man. Now that is comedy gold.

But of course all her old assertions and predictions are still correct! Using advanced Zeta mathematics, 1 = 2 = 3 = any damned thing you *want* it to equal.

And as for ZetaMax's complelling explanation that there is no zero, well, he's a clever devil too. Hey Max, can I borrow all the money you have? Because even if you give me all of it, you'll still have an equivalent amount left, right?

So refusing me is just greedy, and that's oh-so STS.

Ah - just one little note of relevance ...

I HAVE ***NEVER*** POSTED ***ANY*** OPINION ABOUT THE ZETA'S ASSERTION THAT THERE IS NO ZERO.

NEVER, NADA, NOT AT **ALL**.

Any anyone who says I have is guilty of telling a:

:bald_lie:

Oh Max, you know that is a lie. You made me belly laugh out loud with that one. It is on the old debunker thread I think, or buried in one of Nancy's tedious threads. I tried searching for the old debunker thread and didn't find it. But I will find the quote and post it.


It won't be the first time that a debunker will "pledge" to do something - and it NEVER happens.

:dwagain:


That's hilarious. Just as Maxie is in the midst of claiming not to lie, he tells another. Priceless.




Fuck Me Now, you never cease to amaze!

You just got caught in KeepingitNotsoreal's lie. How does it feel twerp?

You wear your selfish spirit right on your sleave. Imagine that?


You don't even take time to READ posts before spewing the company line. Maxie said that debunkers "NEVER" follow their own pledges. That statement of Maxie's was a lie, which is what I pointed out.

Get a life, twerp.




Keep spinning MeNow ... it looks good on YOU!

heh
 Quoting: User # 78/68


Direct quote of the exchange in question with Max in bold and my in italics:

It won't be the first time that a debunker will "pledge" to do something - and it NEVER happens.

:dwagain:
Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



That's hilarious. Just as Maxie is in the midst of claiming not to lie, he tells another. Priceless.


Exactly what is "spun" about that?

Eat shit and die, you pathetic luser.
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Well I do apologize, Max. I was wrong. It was actually Kataklasm (sp?) that wrote the apple thing. I see Luser claims that it was him that posted about the apples. So, an apology is due. I will be more careful in the future. But something did come out of my error. You see, I always thought Kat was one of your sock puppets. I knew he was just someone using a double moniker, but what I didn't suspect was that he is in fact Luser. LOL. Way to go, Luser. I should have known that those two are cut from the same cloth. But you know what Max? I did find lots of other things you have said in the past, insults, applause for the banning of people on Nancy's thread and other assorted things that I had forgotten about.
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Zetas Right Again!!!! Eat it up while you can!
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RA is Right Angle?

Oh man. Now that is comedy gold.

But of course all her old assertions and predictions are still correct! Using advanced Zeta mathematics, 1 = 2 = 3 = any damned thing you *want* it to equal.

And as for ZetaMax's complelling explanation that there is no zero, well, he's a clever devil too. Hey Max, can I borrow all the money you have? Because even if you give me all of it, you'll still have an equivalent amount left, right?

So refusing me is just greedy, and that's oh-so STS.

Ah - just one little note of relevance ...

I HAVE ***NEVER*** POSTED ***ANY*** OPINION ABOUT THE ZETA'S ASSERTION THAT THERE IS NO ZERO.

NEVER, NADA, NOT AT **ALL**.

Any anyone who says I have is guilty of telling a:

bald_lie

Oh Max, you know that is a lie. You made me belly laugh out loud with that one. It is on the old debunker thread I think, or buried in one of Nancy's tedious threads. I tried searching for the old debunker thread and didn't find it. But I will find the quote and post it.


It won't be the first time that a debunker will "pledge" to do something - and it NEVER happens.

dwagain


That's hilarious. Just as Maxie is in the midst of claiming not to lie, he tells another. Priceless.




Fuck Me Now, you never cease to amaze!

You just got caught in KeepingitNotsoreal's lie. How does it feel twerp?

You wear your selfish spirit right on your sleave. Imagine that?


You don't even take time to READ posts before spewing the company line. Maxie said that debunkers "NEVER" follow their own pledges. That statement of Maxie's was a lie, which is what I pointed out.

Get a life, twerp.




Keep spinning MeNow ... it looks good on YOU!

heh


Direct quote of the exchange in question with Max in bold and my in italics:

It won't be the first time that a debunker will "pledge" to do something - and it NEVER happens.

dwagain
Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



That's hilarious. Just as Maxie is in the midst of claiming not to lie, he tells another. Priceless.


Exactly what is "spun" about that?

Eat shit and die, you pathetic luser.
 Quoting: Menow 405501

Stop your FILTHY LIES!!!!!!

The "never" in the sentence you quote modifies a SINGULAR "pledge to do something" --- **NOT** every pledge any debunker ever made. Once again Menow is attempting to distort what was actually stated.
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