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IDW/A.A wall of text was pretty funny.
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IDW/A.A wall of text was pretty funny.
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It's about IDW for the time being. But it is also for the ZetaTards and stupid space threads you see.
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Thx, nice read.

The one thing this proves is that the 'real conspiracy' is that there is money in fomenting "conspiracy theories."
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IDW's latest meltdown has generated multiple new items for the list, he's like a walking talking astronomical gaffe machine. In other news, I'm finishing up my analysis of the "April 1st impactor" images tonight but so far looking at the raw fits files I find absolutely nothing new in them. The time consuming thing is just explaining it all in a video and trying to make it understandable. Same for google sky debunking parts 2 and 3; I have most of the images and video I need to put it all together, I just have to put it all together. And then after that I feel like revisiting an old friend. Found an ISON thread today posted just a few days ago, and for some reason it reminded me of a thread I never got around to responding to back in the middle of the ISON hysteria.

It does look like there is debris from all three sides. Outside of the religious information he has some valid questions.

Can't wait for Astro's Response
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Getting back on thread would be good. Seems this parallax thing isn't going away. Beginning to wonder why it seems so hard to prove. There must be a link or a vid or something that does some math to definitively show how it happened. I thought that's what our ilk was about; authority says something, we say prove it in a way we can check, and if they don't they're lying and we shout as loud as we can about the lie.

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I know I should let sleeping dog's lie, but this is one of those things I wanted to do back then but just didn't have time to do. Actually observing the comet occupied almost all of my free time. If I have some extra time this weekend I'll go to work and try to modify my comet calculations spreadsheet to give me the apparent position of the comet from Hubble.
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IDW's latest meltdown has generated multiple new items for the list, he's like a walking talking astronomical gaffe machine.
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I got a couple down, but if you want to add a few single lines that I can put on the List, feel free.
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Surprised no Venus threads yet. Lol
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Surprised no Venus threads yet. Lol
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He has learned somthing from his past fails.

Wonders never cease!

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Surprised no Venus threads yet. Lol
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He has learned somthing from his past fails.

Wonders never cease!

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That's a surprise...
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It's coming...
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...and it's a thing of beauty.
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It's coming...
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...and it's a thing of beauty.
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^^^^^ ? ? ? ^^^^^

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Whenever you enter the poleshit.ning.com you think you are in a different world. Flareberto`s latest lenseflare is far bigger than the sun. He says that he is a little bit confused now. Arghhh ...

But Nanny is happy and Alberto`s gay friend the ultimate dimwit Pixel-Poli is enlarging the new "lenseflare-sun". Brainwashed morons in action.

It`s often hard to believe that some persons can be so incredibly stupid. The only thing they can see besides the sun are lenseflares and pixel accidents because their Nobeeryou doesn`t exist. bsmeter
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It's coming...
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...and it's a thing of beauty.
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^^^^^ ? ? ? ^^^^^

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 Quoting: Hydra


Remember this?

Going to revisit the subject a bit. I generated the same "three object ISON" with a spreadsheet to calculate the apparent position of ISON from Hubble over time using the orbital elements for ISON, earth, and the Hubble. It outputs the right ascension and declination of ISON from Hubble. I just plugged in the start, midpoint, and end point of each of the three exposures that created the infamous "three object ISON" stack, graphed the result, and bam there it is:
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Yup, Mukk, saw it - he deleted my posts when I debunked his luna(tic) "buildings".

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Yup, Mukk, saw it - he deleted my posts when I debunked his luna(tic) "buildings".

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Thanks to IDW we finally can go to the Moon now and build moon bases.

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All you need to do, is charge the hull of the spacecraft. Just like a farraday cage, radiation will repel around the craft's field....
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There's a NASA presentation depicting an electromagnetic radiation shielding system for a hypothetical Moonbase.
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And I am the one that proposed it as a solution....
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Thanks to IDW we finally can go to the Moon now and build moon bases.

chuckle

All you need to do, is charge the hull of the spacecraft. Just like a farraday cage, radiation will repel around the craft's field....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66028714

There's a NASA presentation depicting an electromagnetic radiation shielding system for a hypothetical Moonbase.
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And I am the one that proposed it as a solution....
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That was hilarious when I read it. Now he is in that pinned weather thread acting normal. Shocking!
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Thanks to IDW we finally can go to the Moon now and build moon bases.

chuckle

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There's a NASA presentation depicting an electromagnetic radiation shielding system for a hypothetical Moonbase.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3757022

And I am the one that proposed it as a solution....
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That was hilarious when I read it. Now he is in that pinned weather thread acting normal. Shocking!
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Ironic, considering he predicted no more winters in the Northeast back in 2012...

The ability to forget his misses remains IDW's most astounding power.
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it looks as if an old ''friend'' isnt getting as much money from his videos as he did back when he was spreading his bs about ison. he used to say the royalties from his youtube videos were to buy new equipment like a laptop, his rent payment has just increased too.

still scamming his followers as you can see from his latest fb status



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it looks as if an old ''friend'' isnt getting as much money from his videos as he did back when he was spreading his bs about ison. he used to say the royalties from his youtube videos were to buy new equipment like a laptop, his rent payment has just increased too.

still scamming his followers as you can see from his latest fb status



Dear Y'all, my ****** channel has gotten me death threats, hackers, I'm on my 4th computer, I lived on the greatest Ranch in the world for Low rent & had to move because they were uncomfortable with the hackers & death threats, and now a SchadenFreude shark at my work is using my youtube channel against me, destabilizing the job I love & fucking with the way I pay rent & bills. So I CANNOT EXPRESS ENOUGH how much Negative shit comes along with this channel or how overall frustrated I am with the process or the "you need to give us more of what we want" or "you're not allowed to like who don't like" mentality. Most of y'all are great, awesome and fantastic & a large reason I still go out on so many unstable limbs, but I'm wearing down fast. yo.
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You weren't kidding...
"SocialBlade dropped **** from a B- to a C+. LAWL LOL HAHAHA. I wish they had a "Quality Control" category. I'm pretty sure I'd get an A."
Socialblade shows approximately how much money he's making from ad revenue. Clearly he's not happy with the trend. He peaked with ISON, it's been flat ever since.

I guess his current big plan is to team up with BPEarthwatchers and other dishonest doom peddlers to create a "Truth" documentary. I think they all realize their mistake at hitching their credibility on the ISON woo bandwagon, but if given another short term opportunity I don't doubt they would make the same mistake again. Interesting that "hard times" in astronomical doom mongering and fatigue have resulted in their unholy alliance just falling out into the open like that.

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Well I am sad to say, but I now have to start looking at the `bunkers' views as being much more probable than I had previously (well not all- idw and nancy are both still in cloud 9 cookoo land as far as I am concerned)

here in northern oz, the government recently banned `vaping'

not the use of ecigs (which contain nicotine) but vaping in its entirety.... which includes using vape liquids that contain no nicotine whatsoever

despite its quite effective (non medical results from a vaping forum) that over 80% stopped smoking entirely after taking up vaping, and of those almost all had halved or cut out nicotine entirely and now just vaped non nicotine

the qld government - based on advice from the WHO (World Health Organisation) banned the sale and use of `vaping or ecig machines'

so I went off looking for the studies that showed any ill effects from vaping

and there aren't any....
not one....

The ban is political and based on `appearing to smoke'
Sadly it appears that the anti smoking brigade is now so desperate that they have corrupted a world leading medical organisation into banning something, simply because it `looks like' smoking...

Apparently the water vapour that is emitted as `smoke' by some vapers is considered enough to make some let us say `more unscrupulous' members of the W.H.O. lend the weight of this organisation into leading governments into banning vapers from not only enjoying their hobby, but closing down businesses- simply on their say so!!

Sadly the W.H.O. declined to comment on water vapor emitted by people living in cold climates- is this their next step- anyone living so far south (or north for the northern hemisphere) that they `appear to be smoking' in sub 10deg temperatures will be banned from living anywhere that cold...
(hey it makes as much sense as banning vapers from vaping 99.99999% water vapor out simply because its a few degrees higher in ambient temp...)


Another interesting fact I did find out that the present (rather ineffective) patch/niccorettes/etc from Big Pharma (that I tried repeatedly and failed to give up on)

actually cost me more every week than what I was spending on cigs...
and makes Big Pharma billions in profit every year...



and to add insult to injury- when I did start vaping (with nicotine)- I didn't even finish the pack of tobacco- in fact it is still, over a year later, sitting on top of my fridge

and I've dropped from 24% nic to 2% nic- now mixed 1:10 with blueberry (so almost 0% nic)- and I often go 4-6 hours before I have my first hit, rather than waking up, and having 2 cigs before I even got out of bed....

What my looking around did- was find out that Big Pharma is taking a major $ hit from vapers- to the tune of several billion dollars a year from stop smoking aids that don't stop you smoking - and Big Government is taking much more in losses from smokers actually giving up smoking(tobacco tax losses)


so the end result is that I now totally distrust anything that Big Pharma has to say, and now am even looking seriously at antivaxers stories, to see if they are telling porkies, or if Big Pharma has indeed been let us say `less than truthful' in regards to other matters as well....

So in this case a debunker has, if not become a bunker, is now seriously doubtful about anything the W.H.O has to say as they obviously (from the untruthful and indeed rather outrageous lies told about vaping) aren't above corrupt activity....
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As someone who works in what you might call "big pharma" I just have to share this...

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As someone who works in what you might call "big pharma" I just have to share this...

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and of course big pharma wouldnt be above paying well known media people to support their agenda would they (after all if billions of dollars are involved.....)

I would be much more impressed with clinical studies showing how effective/ineffective herd immunity actually was (I come from an area with a well known antivac bias in northern nsw) which is why any apparent W.H.O. improprieties can be tested, I know several antivacers personally, and altho todate have considered their stories unlikely, I can easily and quickly probe their stories and compare them to the `official' versions- and see the results- one way or the other

I don't want to bias the findings either way, so far it is apparent that the W.H.O. has indulged in some `dubious' practices recently- what now needs to be determined is is this a new trend (that needs to be nipped in the bud) or is it a long term trend (in which case the entire organization and all of its data needs to be independently verified...)
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What concerns me is that if a supposedly `above reproach' organisation such as WHO is involved in suspect practices- then all of its good works (such as immunization programs in 3rd world countries) could be seriously jeopardized, and nobody wants this to happen

So any apparent let us say `misbehaviors' by some individuals or small groups with specific targets within those organizations that might be bringing them into disrepute should be investigated, fully and transparently...

And a vendetta by an individual or a small group with limited but extreme ideas in that organisation certainly isnt beyond imagining...


What to me is apparent is that this might just indeed be the case, in which case it should be made apparent to the leaders of this group and the general public, which is what I am trying to do
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As someone who works in what you might call "big pharma" I just have to share this...

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and of course big pharma wouldnt be above paying well known media people to support their agenda would they (after all if billions of dollars are involved.....)
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It's a pretty simple argument. Do you think it's just a natural miracle that people no longer die of these diseases in developed nations except in rare cases? Anti-vaxxers are benefiting on the backs of decades of hard work vaccinating the population, herd protection is already in place but gradually we are becoming more vulnerable because of the anti-vax movement. This didn't happen naturally, it was a consequence of vaccination. Refusing the vaccine in cases where the disease being vaccinated against is still prevalent, such as pertussis where the vaccine does not confer 100% or lifelong protection, has been shown to increase the number of cases. Vaccination works.
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like I said before- it has become apparent to me that some people within that organisation are not exactly adverse to let us say `stretching' the truth when it comes to antismoking campaigns, so have they been doing so in other areas?

It's the old `slippery slope' routine- problem is that altho we commonly accept our politicians lying to us, we shouldn't accept our doctors lying to us...

As I said before I wish that it wasnt true, I'm hoping that it isnt true, and I want them to prove it isnt true
because if organisations such as the WHO have been `stretching the truth' then it becomes impossible to allow them to do anything at all- once trust is lost- it is VERY hard to regain- and as I said before- there is a concerted worldwide campaign in several countries, to ban vaping, their `facts' are not supported by evidence, in fact it is rather apparent that this is not an antismoking campaign for public health, its a vendetta by some people within the WHO, using it's clout, but when subject to scrutiny isnt supported by evidence

It's not an antismoking campaign, its antismokers on a antismoking crusade- and they dont care who gets banned- to them vaping is smoking- ergo it should be banned and to hell with the facts that it ISNT smoking, and most vapers dont even have nicotine in their mixes

The fact that they are reduced to such absurd arguments as `well it LOOKS like they are smoking' so it promotes smoking so it should be banned (and yes that is an argument put forward just before the qld government banned vaping- using the same `nonexistant evidence' put forward by the WHO
and who pushed for this ban, in 8 countries, on 3 continents?

All members of the WHO


WHY???
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like I said before- it has become apparent to me that some people within that organisation are not exactly adverse to let us say `stretching' the truth when it comes to antismoking campaigns, so have they been doing so in other areas?
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What organization? Many different institutes and researchers have studied the effectiveness of vaccines, you're saying they're all lying because WHO is trying to get vaping banned for political reasons? This is akin to claiming Nibiru is real because you know all astronomers are lying since NASA also says anthropogenic global warming is real and you have evidence they've fudged numbers there. It's attacking the source (and not even the same source) rather than the message.
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And for the record, I'm against vaping bans. If it helps people get off of cigarettes which medical science has proven is extremely bad for your health, great! It doesn't mean I start assuming the people I work with are all lying because WHO is trying to ban vaping.
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And for the record, I'm against vaping bans. If it helps people get off of cigarettes which medical science has proven is extremely bad for your health, great! It doesn't mean I start assuming the people I work with are all lying because WHO is trying to ban vaping.
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now hopefully you have had a chance to calm down a touch, might I say that I am not accusing the entire organisation of wholesale child slaughter, merely pointing out that this group of people within WHO, who are already misusing its good name, need to be rooted out, before their misuse of the political clout of the WHO misfires badly...

if it becomes common knowledge that such behaviours were being tolerated, it does lend weight to the idea that their support of other agendas (such as childhood vaccines) could also be politically or personally motivated rather than evidence based (which is already a common complaint against childhood vaccinations)
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Well I've already given you the evidence and the reasons your logic leap is absurd.
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