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The trick of climate doomsayers is that they draw their conclusions obtained from the Arrhenius formula for CO2 (only 0.04% of atmosphere), then apply that change of temperature to the WHOLE Earth; this is bad science, or possibly fraud.
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Claim: CO2 comprises less than 0.04 percent of the air.

Nitrogen, oxygen and argon together make up close to 100 percent of the atmosphere. But all three are invisible to incoming "short-wave" radiation from the sun and outgoing "long-wave" radiation from the Earth's surface. They play no role in regulating the planet's atmospheric temperature.

But carbon dioxide and other trace gases in the atmosphere do absorb the outgoing long-wave radiation.

So while their concentrations are miniscule, their effect is anything but: If the atmosphere didn't have those trace amounts of greenhouse gases, New York City would be covered in ice sheets not sweltering on a typical summer afternoon. The globe's average temperature would be almost 60 degrees Fahrenheit lower.

Similarly, toxicity is not an issue in the climate change debate. Yes, crops need CO2. Breathing a little more of it while out on the links won't impair your golf game. But earlier findings that suggested higher CO2 levels could increase crop yields have been disproved by recent research showing that other nutrients are more often the limiting factor.

The relevant questions for climate science are how CO2 changes atmospheric temperatures and circulation and alters the oceans' chemistry and heat capacity.

[link to www.scientificamerican.com (secure)]


No matter how hard you're trying, you won't be able to deny the fact that 97% of climate-studies agree on man-made climate change, as I posted earlier with the link.

Do you realize that you are JUST SEARCHING for counter-evidence and ignore the (extremly high) consensus of most of these studies? That's why you still believe in doom and gloom and all this other BS. You just don't want it the other way round - even if the vast majority of evidence says otherwise.

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Neither is there "hard" evidence of black holes. The existence of black holes are inferred from observing other evidence. It's true that one cannot put "reincarnation" under a microscope, but just as with black holes, it's existence can be inferred from examining other evidence. What "other evidence"?
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That's true. As of yet there is no direct observation of black-holes (to be changed later this year, because we soon WILL HAVE a direct "photograph"). But yeah, bottomline you're right, we have no way of getting past the event horizon and take samples, but what we can say for certain is:
- these objects cause gravitational lensing, which has been proven by observing the same stars or galaxy multiple times through lensing
- these objects must have an incredible density because they produce a photon-sphere and ultimatively an event-horizon (which we can calculate by r=(2*G*Mass/c²)^0.5 btw) making them "black"
- these objects have large gravitational effects on surrounding objects, which correlate to the assumed high density (our Milky-Way is circling one supermassive black hole)
- we are able to observe other extremly dense objects (neutron-stars, quasars, pulsars etc.) where a sugar-cube has the equivalent weight of Mt.Everest (roughly)

Just to name a few.
So unlike "reincarnation" we actually have plenty of tangible data that no-doubtly prove there are objects that we describe as "black holes" (which is rather misleading and should be "black spheres").

Well for starters, the testimony of children who display detailed knowledge of past events they have no rational means for obtaining.

[link to www.today.com]
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Which has been debunked several times: [link to skeptico.blogs.com]
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


DOrolleyes That's the best you can do?? One solitary story that of a single child whose testimony was tainted by a visit to an air museum at 2 years old? Did you even read the entire article that YOU referenced?, for if you had you would have read this:

Admittedly there appear to be a couple of inexplicable hits. First, the child said he flew off a boat. When asked the name of the boat he says "Natoma", and when asked the name of someone on the boat, he says "Jack Larson". While flipping through another book on WWII, James points at Iwo Jima and says that's where he got shot down. The father discovers there was a boat called the Natoma Bay, and finds there was only one Corsair pilot from this ship who was shot down at Iwo Jima, and his name was James M. Huston Jr. (So now they have an explanation of the "James 3" he keeps writing on his pictures, since "3rd" would come after "Jr.".) Also, John Larson turns out to be a real person who knew James M. Huston Jr.

The "skeptical" author then goes through a desperate exercise coming up with the weakest of conventional arguments for each element of this phenomena, and even admits at the end that he can't account for the "John Larson" hit. But it matters not, somehow this was all successfully DEBUNKED nevertheless.

ONE stinking case incompletely debunked is what you offer as refutation.

Please try harder.
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Please try harder.
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I won't, because I will not change my opinion based on sole statements (as is true with UFOs), because they can have multiple reasons and origins.
Unless there is a method to independently prove that reincarnation is real without the influence of biased accounts (which from a physical perspective obsviously is not) - it remains meta-physical and therefore irrelevant to me.

It's not even something that I necessarily NEED TO KNOW. Life is happening now, what happens afterwards remains to be seen when you're dead - and I'd be fine with either outcome (or even completly different ones).

Have a good day, I'm going to enjoy million year old photons hitting my skin to have my outer skin-molecules vibrating which in turn creates a fuzzy feeling of warmth on my body. (Sounds pretty fantastic, yet is scientifically accurate, one example of the wonderful world of physics without all the magical woo) hf
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The trick of climate doomsayers is that they draw their conclusions obtained from the Arrhenius formula for CO2 (only 0.04% of atmosphere), then apply that change of temperature to the WHOLE Earth; this is bad science, or possibly fraud.
 Quoting: **ZetaMax**


Claim: CO2 comprises less than 0.04 percent of the air.

Nitrogen, oxygen and argon together make up close to 100 percent of the atmosphere. But all three are invisible to incoming "short-wave" radiation from the sun and outgoing "long-wave" radiation from the Earth's surface. They play no role in regulating the planet's atmospheric temperature.

But carbon dioxide and other trace gases in the atmosphere do absorb the outgoing long-wave radiation.

So while their concentrations are miniscule, their effect is anything but: If the atmosphere didn't have those trace amounts of greenhouse gases, New York City would be covered in ice sheets not sweltering on a typical summer afternoon. The globe's average temperature would be almost 60 degrees Fahrenheit lower.

Similarly, toxicity is not an issue in the climate change debate. Yes, crops need CO2. Breathing a little more of it while out on the links won't impair your golf game. But earlier findings that suggested higher CO2 levels could increase crop yields have been disproved by recent research showing that other nutrients are more often the limiting factor.

The relevant questions for climate science are how CO2 changes atmospheric temperatures and circulation and alters the oceans' chemistry and heat capacity.

[link to www.scientificamerican.com (secure)]


No matter how hard you're trying, you won't be able to deny the fact that 97% of climate-studies agree on man-made climate change, as I posted earlier with the link.

Do you realize that you are JUST SEARCHING for counter-evidence and ignore the (extremly high) consensus of most of these studies? That's why you still believe in doom and gloom and all this other BS. You just don't want it the other way round - even if the vast majority of evidence says otherwise.
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


So while their concentrations are miniscule, their effect is anything but: If the atmosphere didn't have those trace amounts of greenhouse gases, New York City would be covered in ice sheets not sweltering on a typical summer afternoon. The globe's average temperature would be almost 60 degrees Fahrenheit lower.


So the asphalt I burned my feet on is really CO2? Heat is absorbed by the surface and the oceans. Deserts get really hot during the day, and really cold at night. New York doesn't because of CLOUDS - of water vapor, not CO2. Why isn't all that CO2 keeping temperatures from approaching freezing in the Sahara at night? Could it be because they already shed their heat in a fraction of a second and there was no nighttime storage? Allowing the "extra" heat to escape back into space along with the rest of the heat that the desert experienced during daylight?

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Please try harder.
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I won't, because I will not change my opinion based on sole statements (as is true with UFOs), because they can have multiple reasons and origins.
Unless there is a method to independently prove that reincarnation is real without the influence of biased accounts (which from a physical perspective obsviously is not) - it remains meta-physical and therefore irrelevant to me.

It's not even something that I necessarily NEED TO KNOW. Life is happening now, what happens afterwards remains to be seen when you're dead - and I'd be fine with either outcome (or even completly different ones).

Have a good day, I'm going to enjoy million year old photons hitting my skin to have my outer skin-molecules vibrating which in turn creates a fuzzy feeling of warmth on my body. (Sounds pretty fantastic, yet is scientifically accurate, one example of the wonderful world of physics without all the magical woo) hf
 Quoting: MoreAboutTunnelVision


>> It's not even something that I necessarily NEED TO KNOW.


Fine, that is your choice. If it stopped right there I wouldn't have a problem. But earlier you said that my interest in it was because of my "fear of uncertainty". Implying of course that your lack of interest is "healthy and good" and my interest is "unhealthy and bad". I'd say there is a bit of arrogance and intellectual intolerance trying to offer itself as "charity" going on here.
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Melfy still looking for fake doom in all the wrong places.

Take a look around you. There is plenty of slow boil real doom all around you, but as long as people fixate on the fake doom, fake news scandals, fake climate change doom, fake alien niburu doom, the temperature keeps going up on the real doom and sooner than a lot of us think, the pot will boil and it will be too late to do anything about it.
If a rogue extraterrestrial object were to impact earth, it is beyond our control and we will be wiped out. If man has caused global climate change, we are beyond the point of return, but it's more likely that the planet is a lot mightier than the puny human race and is going through a natural cycle of instability. Our understanding of what is normal climate is based on observations over a few centuries at best. Hardly enough data to presume to know what's normal.

I am all for keeping the air, water, earth, food, flora, fauna and oceans clean. I am all for developing cleaner more sustainable and inexpensive energy sources, but I also know that even if we get to negative carbon output tomorrow, it all means nothing if a big volcano goes off and brings on a mini ice age. It's happened before, it will happen again and there is nothing any of us can do about it, so why fret about something that will probably never happen in our lifetime and that we are powerless to prevent?


The biggest doom today is related to the Vault 7 revelations and the cyber attack that is ongoing. In just a few decades we have gone from being a manual society, where people had to actually know things and have a skill to do the jobs that need doing, to a society that doesn't know anything and doesn't know how to do anything. Banking was done without computers, there was no online banking or atm, people carried real cash, the cashier at the supermarket manually read the price tag and entered it into a manual cash register. The mechanic could change a part and fix a broken car, doctors touched and prodded their patients and knew how to interpret an x ray without the help of software. Today, just a few decades later everything is online and with corrupt and inept intelligence agencies and governments, viruses have been developed as weapons, they have been carelessly managed and have escaped into the hacking community. It doesn't even have to be the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, or any other Goldstein they want us to fear, it is more likely to be cyberthugs, and good luck finding and stopping them.

This is dangerous shit. If enough systems and networks are affected, we would be fucked in a matter of hours. We have more than 2 generations now that can't find their way home from the corner store without GPS. Nobody knows how to do anything anymore unless the computer helps out. Our jobs today are more about performing tasks on a computer than knowing the substance of what we are accomplishing by doing the task.

We don't need Planet X, or an extraterrestrial catastrophe, doom is happening now, even if most people are too busy texting and retweeting nonsense over a latte to notice. That's real fucking doom right there.
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Melfy still looking for fake doom in all the wrong places.

Take a look around you. There is plenty of slow boil real doom all around you, but as long as people fixate on the fake doom, fake news scandals, fake climate change doom, fake alien niburu doom, the temperature keeps going up on the real doom and sooner than a lot of us think, the pot will boil and it will be too late to do anything about it.
If a rogue extraterrestrial object were to impact earth, it is beyond our control and we will be wiped out. If man has caused global climate change, we are beyond the point of return, but it's more likely that the planet is a lot mightier than the puny human race and is going through a natural cycle of instability. Our understanding of what is normal climate is based on observations over a few centuries at best. Hardly enough data to presume to know what's normal.

I am all for keeping the air, water, earth, food, flora, fauna and oceans clean. I am all for developing cleaner more sustainable and inexpensive energy sources, but I also know that even if we get to negative carbon output tomorrow, it all means nothing if a big volcano goes off and brings on a mini ice age. It's happened before, it will happen again and there is nothing any of us can do about it, so why fret about something that will probably never happen in our lifetime and that we are powerless to prevent?


The biggest doom today is related to the Vault 7 revelations and the cyber attack that is ongoing. In just a few decades we have gone from being a manual society, where people had to actually know things and have a skill to do the jobs that need doing, to a society that doesn't know anything and doesn't know how to do anything. Banking was done without computers, there was no online banking or atm, people carried real cash, the cashier at the supermarket manually read the price tag and entered it into a manual cash register. The mechanic could change a part and fix a broken car, doctors touched and prodded their patients and knew how to interpret an x ray without the help of software. Today, just a few decades later everything is online and with corrupt and inept intelligence agencies and governments, viruses have been developed as weapons, they have been carelessly managed and have escaped into the hacking community. It doesn't even have to be the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, or any other Goldstein they want us to fear, it is more likely to be cyberthugs, and good luck finding and stopping them.

This is dangerous shit. If enough systems and networks are affected, we would be fucked in a matter of hours. We have more than 2 generations now that can't find their way home from the corner store without GPS. Nobody knows how to do anything anymore unless the computer helps out. Our jobs today are more about performing tasks on a computer than knowing the substance of what we are accomplishing by doing the task.

We don't need Planet X, or an extraterrestrial catastrophe, doom is happening now, even if most people are too busy texting and retweeting nonsense over a latte to notice. That's real fucking doom right there.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


I do computer programming for a living. I was deeply concerned about Y2K. There was a real problem, but the scope was exaggerated and we got through it without any major impact. The big concern was that it would disrupt finance, and perhaps worse, cause a failure in the electric grid.

You are now echoing all those same concerns - so vault seven is Y2K part deux.

Maybe ...

But somehow I don't find it as worrying. Maybe I've become too acclimated to fake doom to notice the real thing happening under our noses. I guess we'll know in short order.
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Y2K was overhyped, if there ever was a danger, it was more because of an oversight in the code than anything sinister. The viruses that the NSA and CIA lost were deliberately created to infiltrate and infect vital infrastructure and systems of an enemy. Big difference. It isn't even the fact that hypothetically someone could take everything down. The scary fact is that the human species is devolving and no longer learning the skills that allowed us to survive and thrive in the first place. I work around and with younger people. Most of them no longer feel the need to actually learn and commit to memory any knowledge, because wikepedia is always there to retrieve the "facts" the moment you need them. I was training some young people last summer, they questioned the need to commit certain vital information to memory, when there is a data base they can look up the answer on as needed. If the data base goes down, many of them wouldn't be able to answer the easiest question from a customer. Without the computer they don't know shit about the product they sell and the company they work for. My industry isn't vital, but I know this happens in other vital workplaces.

We are way too dependent on computers and the internet, we have made ourselves absolutely vulnerable, and it could be wiped out in the blink of an eye. Only a very few would have a clue what to do, the freaked out masses would be out of control. If people wake up now, we may be able to get back on a sane path, but I don't see that happening because people have become entitled and lazy.
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Y2K was overhyped, if there ever was a danger, it was more because of an oversight in the code than anything sinister. The viruses that the NSA and CIA lost were deliberately created to infiltrate and infect vital infrastructure and systems of an enemy. Big difference. It isn't even the fact that hypothetically someone could take everything down. The scary fact is that the human species is devolving and no longer learning the skills that allowed us to survive and thrive in the first place. I work around and with younger people. Most of them no longer feel the need to actually learn and commit to memory any knowledge, because wikepedia is always there to retrieve the "facts" the moment you need them. I was training some young people last summer, they questioned the need to commit certain vital information to memory, when there is a data base they can look up the answer on as needed. If the data base goes down, many of them wouldn't be able to answer the easiest question from a customer. Without the computer they don't know shit about the product they sell and the company they work for. My industry isn't vital, but I know this happens in other vital workplaces.

We are way too dependent on computers and the internet, we have made ourselves absolutely vulnerable, and it could be wiped out in the blink of an eye. Only a very few would have a clue what to do, the freaked out masses would be out of control. If people wake up now, we may be able to get back on a sane path, but I don't see that happening because people have become entitled and lazy.
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Thread: Updated Pg 5: (New Variants 5/14) WannaCry 2.0 Launced: And has no "kill switch".

I agree this is pretty serious. And you're right about the young people these days. Some of them have never even boiled a hotdog, or even know how to make a bed properly, or even how to hold a broom. I know, I've witnessed it first hand.
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Dance faster, Melfy. Your ignorance is showing again.
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Well, I had to use my last 25 karma thingies to get immunity for a month. Apparently, even when I'm not posting much, I'm on the list.

So, if I vanish completely, it's been interesting and amusing.


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