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If she posts crap to a public forum she should expect to be challenged.


why do you see it as your personal vendetta to challenge her?

is it personal, do you have any personal issues with her and about her website?


I dislike bullshit.


so dislike it in silence. noone forces it to you.


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Fuck you! I have as much right to post my opinion of Nancy's crap as you do!
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people cannot be shaped according to your wishes.

there is no other way than accept this simple fact.
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You are WRONG, as usual.

As JWD shows, there is life after delusion.

That justifies debunking, and remember, de-BUNK-ing is just that. You are a supporter of BUNK, that makes you intellectually dishonest.
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She is a NASTY piece of work, an arrogant ego-maniac of the lowest kind.
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+10

For those who dont know how Nancy looks:
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She is a NASTY piece of work, an arrogant ego-maniac of the lowest kind.
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Again the misunderstanding that someone who is Service to Others always has to be nice and friendly. Especialy by people who threat her and the ones take the message of the Zetas serious like dirt.

And then you expect that she is nice to you?

From ZetaTalk: Key Characterictics

ZetaTalk: Key Characteristics
Note: written by Jul 15, 1995

There is a common misunderstanding, that being that Service-to-Others is all bleeding heart concern and the Service-to-Self is snarling greed. Nothing could be further from the truth. These animals come in various sizes and shapes. One must look for the key characteristics, in fact, to even identify them. An example, look to ourselves. We are Service-to-Others Zetas. Do we not defend ourselves? Do we not have particular goals we press? Do we lie down and let others walk all over us? Yet we are concerned for the general welfare and work hard to improve this for ourselves as well as others.

Likewise, the Service-to-Self are often misunderstood. As we have mentioned elsewhere, they can be charming and diplomatic. The key is the goal, not the goal stated, which may be packaged to appeal to those to be duped, but the actual goal. A reduction in pollution laws, packaged as enabling employers to stay in business, is in fact a power play by those who resent any restrictions on their power. The unemployment rate has nothing to do with this, but is waved about as a reason. Wives are familiar with the common husband excuse for late hours and avoidance of home chores. The job requires this, and the wife should bear in mind who is slaving away to bring home the bacon.

In sum, the Service-to-Others individual may be gruff, distracted, disheveled, and inaccessible. But what are they working toward? How do they react when a truth test comes, where they must be willing to sacrifice themselves for others? Do they come through? And the Service-to-Self individual may be suave, seemingly generous, even defending others. But when their welfare is lined up against another, when they must truly share and words are asked to be replaced by actions, what then?
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Especialy by people who threat her and the ones take the message of the Zetas serious like dirt.
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She is a cockroach and so are the bunkers ... so we treat them like they deserve it.
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why do you see it as your personal vendetta to challenge her?

is it personal, do you have any personal issues with her and about her website?


You see, Andrew, I have been aware of Nancy LIEDer since 2001 or so, when she was spewing all kinds of nastiness in sci-astro and other places about how STUPID and CORRUPT all these astronomers were (who has started out trying to help her get a clue) for not seeing/believing in Planet X.

Of course all those people were COMPLETELY VINDICATED by the indisputable FACT that Planet X did not show up when Nancy INSISTED that it would.

But did she ever APOLOGISE?? Not likely! How very 'STO' of her!!!

She is a NASTY piece of work, an arrogant ego-maniac of the lowest kind.
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yes, i see.

what she is and what she have been doing - that is HER problem, not YOURS.
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people cannot be shaped according to your wishes.

there is no other way than accept this simple fact.

You are WRONG, as usual.

As JWD shows, there is life after delusion.

That justifies debunking, and remember, de-BUNK-ing is just that. You are a supporter of BUNK, that makes you intellectually dishonest.
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who is the judge whether smth is BUNK?
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Wow ... piece of shit Nancy Lieder lost it again:

In the field of nutrition that I work in, it seems that so many illnesses and health problems are caused by vitamin D deficiency, difficult to get from the diet other than from eggs and oily fish. Conditions such as arthritis, immunity against flu/colds, prevention of cancer, fibromyalgia, heart health, multiple sclerosis, osteoporosis, depression, the list goes on!!
With probably over half of the populations already deficient due to poor diet, too much time indoors/lack of sunlight and overuse of suncream and living too far north many scientists are calling for the recommended daily allowance (RDA) to be raised from 200iu to 2000iu with a max level being set at 10,000iu. My question is in relation to the aftertime, obviously we will be spending more time outdoors, but to what extent will the volcanic gloom prevent vitamin D production in the skin? If it does then surely chickens laying eggs will be deficient also?? Would be wise to ensure that you are at the top of the reference range (just below toxicity) just before going into the shift, or take a massive dose just before the shift, as if supplements are stored they won’t last forever. All vitamins will be hard to get in the aftertime but I am wondering if vitamin D will be particularly more difficult than any other, yet so beneficial to keep the immune system strong in the times ahead.

SOZT
Even on cloudy days, sunburn occurs. Those that can stock up on vitamins should do so, as this surely does not hurt, but being outdoors should solve the problem, even with cloud cover. Fish have Vitamin D, and fish ponds or ocean fishing has always been a recommendation of ours. Earthworms, which have 82% protein, also have Omega 3 oil, similar to fish oil. Look for alternate sources!
EOZT


I discovered that earthworms DO contain Vitamin D!!!

[link to www.wormdigest.org]

Zetas RIGHT Again!
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Did you discover it before or after your Shitchat last evening ?

i am from that part of georgia that got 18+ inches of rain....any theories about that????

SOZT
We stated in 1995 that the world would experience more drought and deluge, switching about for seemingly no reason. We know that the Earth wobble would ensue when Planet X arrived in the vicinity, which it did. Georgia was suffering recently from drought so intractable that the it was feared that Atlanta might run out of drinking water. Now they are drowning. Just what we predicted, and not the last of such incidences to beset mankind.
EOZT


Yup! Zeta predictions made over a decade ago, when NO ONE ELSE was making these predictions!!

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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Pretty much everyone since Nostradamus predicted this old lady fart ... and so far all failed.


Stop bumpin your own threads ! You know you lost ... boycott, complete success.
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If she posts crap to a public forum she should expect to be challenged.

why do you see it as your personal vendetta to challenge her?

is it personal, do you have any personal issues with her and about her website?

I dislike bullshit.

so dislike it in silence. noone forces it to you.

Fuck you! I have as much right to post my opinion of Nancy's crap as you do!
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sure it is, but why is it of such importance to you?!
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sure it is, but why is it of such importance to you?!
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Why dont you stop posting here and go back to the retard thread ? Why do you care what we debunkers are talking about ?
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Stop bumpin your own threads ! You know you lost ... boycott, complete success.
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bsflag ... bsflag bsflag bsflag

boycott ("de-bunkers" ejecting themselves from ZetaTalk chats on their own) brought new supporters, "watchers" to speak out, probabaly for the first time, because the thread was not filled with crap and distractions.
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Start of Retard talk:

SOZT
Even on cloudy days, sunburn occurs. Those that can stock up on vitamins should do so, as this surely does not hurt, but being outdoors should solve the problem, even with cloud cover. Fish have Vitamin D, and fish ponds or ocean fishing has always been a recommendation of ours. Earthworms, which have 82% protein, also have Omega 3 oil, similar to fish oil. Look for alternate sources!
EOZT


I discovered that earthworms DO contain Vitamin D!!!

End of retard talk

Where in your lines above do the Zetas claim earthworms have Vitamin D ??? Isee, nowhere ... Vitamin is not mentioned in connection to the earthworms in your post, only protein and Omega 3 oil. Tartlady only mentions Vitamin D only in connection with fish in her post above.

Getting slowly demented nancy, huh ?
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sure it is, but why is it of such importance to you?!

Why dont you stop posting here and go back to the retard thread ? Why do you care what we debunkers are talking about ?
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this is avoiding the question, but anyway,


this is a public forum!

if you decide to not visit ZetaTalk threads - thats your business. i do not restrict myself.
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boycott ("de-bunkers" ejecting themselves from ZetaTalk chats on their own) brought new supporters, "watchers" to speak out, probabaly for the first time, because the thread was not filled with crap and distractions.
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so ... then explain to my why hear ZetardTalks only have 10% of page hits since the boycott ... explain why they end at 5 peges, while talks from a year ago and earlier have up to 25 and more pages ... and how do you know how many people "watch" her ZetardTalk, do you have access to the GLP server log ? Guess not ... you are such a disgusting creature, you make me wanna puke.
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Hey lunatic, I have a question for you.

Do you actually believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet?

Don't try to twist the question, the answer is either a YES or a NO.


Do you actually believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet?

Yes or No.
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sure it is, but why is it of such importance to you?!

Why dont you stop posting here and go back to the retard thread ? Why do you care what we debunkers are talking about ?


this is avoiding the question, but anyway,


this is a public forum!

if you decide to not visit ZetaTalk threads - thats your business. i do not restrict myself.
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You're welcome ... just keep bumping our thread while the ZetardTalk sinks to the bottom of the page because she has lost most of her followerd.

Why ZetaTalk is so important ? Because its deceiving people ... I hate Nancy Lieder as much as I hate Scientologists, the Pope and his Christians, Creationists ... and every other being that does not live a life of pure science ... I love people like Richard Sawkins, Richard Feynman (rip), and so forth, people who base all they do on science ... this is a war of good versus evil, logic vs. bogus cult.
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boycott ("de-bunkers" ejecting themselves from ZetaTalk chats on their own) brought new supporters, "watchers" to speak out, probabaly for the first time, because the thread was not filled with crap and distractions.

so ... then explain to my why hear ZetardTalks only have 10% of page hits since the boycott ... explain why they end at 5 peges, while talks from a year ago and earlier have up to 25 and more pages ... and how do you know how many people "watch" her ZetardTalk, do you have access to the GLP server log ? Guess not ... you are such a disgusting creature, you make me wanna puke.
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dont be shy, feel free to "express" yourself hf
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STO/STS is just a bit of new-age twaddle. It artificially places people into two arbitrary categories that don't exist in a world of complex individuals.

Funny thing Max, your quote from ZetaTalk sig says: "Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations." and yet the STO/STS is a simplistic black/white distinction!

ZetaTalk contradicts itself (as do you!) once again!!!


contradiction is in your mind, not in reality or ZetaTalk which describes it!

it is no way artificial. anyone who has ANY real life experience (in this incarnation or many previous) will KNOW (not **believe** or suppose) this.


You are so stupid you can't even understand why Planet X as described by your Guru Nancy is IMPOSSIBLE! ANYONE with a functioning brain knows why this is.

You have the mind of a small child - you believe in fairy stories made up by your surrogate mother figure.

STO/STS is LAUGHABLY SIMPLISTIC! 1st Grade Philosophy.


what i know is that it came upon Earth and caused destruction in the past, and that mammoths died in a Pole Shift. and it will happen again.

if that doesnt fit in with modern science then it is the problem of science and those clinging to it like children to a parent.

"Mommy NASA told me that Planet X doesnt exist! Mommy is always right!"

sheep
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If what you say doesn't fit with science, how do you "know" it's true? I assume that you think you have some sort of scientific evidence to support what you are saying. Please explain.
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what i know is that it came upon Earth and caused destruction in the past, and that mammoths died in a Pole Shift. and it will happen again.


Is that what they taught you in what passes for a school system in Dumbfuckistan?


no, i rely on independent thinking. are you familiar with the concept?

or are you allowing the shool system to wash your brain out?
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What is your independant thinking with which you have determined that Earth is halted in orbit?
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Hey lunatic, I have a question for you.

Do you actually believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet?

Don't try to twist the question, the answer is either a YES or a NO.


Do you actually believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet?

Yes or No.

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I am asking you the same Andrew ... do you believe that quote: "Those humans who are not ready to leave 3rd Density when they die will not reincarnate on Earth."

Do you believe those people not ready will be reincarnated on another planet as Octopus ?

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

YES or NO
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Hey lunatic, I have a question for you.

Do you actually believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet?

Don't try to twist the question, the answer is either a YES or a NO.


Do you actually believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet?

Yes or No.

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hey smartass, do you believe that increasing tectonics and slowing of the Earths rotation is caused by heightened greenhouse gasses in the atmoshpere? and do you believe that few droplets of "sacred" water makes a difference in going to "hell" or "heaven"?

and btw, yes, i do believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet

yeahsure
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Hey lunatic, I have a question for you.

Do you actually believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet?

Don't try to twist the question, the answer is either a YES or a NO.


Do you actually believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet?

Yes or No.


Thanks for answering.
That is fucking hilarious!




hey smartass, do you believe that increasing tectonics and slowing of the Earths rotation is caused by heightened greenhouse gasses in the atmoshpere? and do you believe that few droplets of "sacred" water makes a difference in going to "hell" or "heaven"?

and btw, yes, i do believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet

yeahsure
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Hey lunatic, I have a question for you.

Do you actually believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet?

Don't try to twist the question, the answer is either a YES or a NO.


Do you actually believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet?

Yes or No.



hey smartass, do you believe that increasing tectonics and slowing of the Earths rotation is caused by heightened greenhouse gasses in the atmoshpere? and do you believe that few droplets of "sacred" water makes a difference in going to "hell" or "heaven"?

and btw, yes, i do believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet

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You're not answering the full question:

quote: "Those humans who are not ready to leave 3rd Density when they die will not reincarnate on Earth."

Do you believe "humans who are not ready to leave 3rd Density" will become water creatures. The is a difference between just reincarnated or reincarnated because you did not follow Nancys bogud cult.
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You're welcome ... just keep bumping our thread while the ZetardTalk sinks to the bottom of the page because she has lost most of her followerd.

Why ZetaTalk is so important ? Because its deceiving people ... I hate Nancy Lieder as much as I hate Scientologists, the Pope and his Christians, Creationists ... and every other being that does not live a life of pure science ... I love people like Richard Sawkins, Richard Feynman (rip), and so forth, people who base all they do on science ... this is a war of good versus evil, logic vs. bogus cult.
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i see, but isnt it too arrogant to put yourself over the "gullible populace" and decide what influence they should be subject to? leave it to them themselves - let THEM decide. or do you deny their capability to do so?
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hey smartass, do you believe that increasing tectonics and slowing of the Earths rotation is caused by heightened greenhouse gasses in the atmoshpere?
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What increased tectonics and slowing of the earth rotation are you talking about ?

If the earth would slow down its rotation days and nights would get longer of course ... they dont, at least not here where I live ... please explain.
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or do you deny their capability to do so?
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Yes I do ... they obviously should go back to school and learn a bit more about physics.
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Hey lunatic, I have a question for you.

Do you actually believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet?

Don't try to twist the question, the answer is either a YES or a NO.


Do you actually believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet?

Yes or No.



hey smartass, do you believe that increasing tectonics and slowing of the Earths rotation is caused by heightened greenhouse gasses in the atmoshpere? and do you believe that few droplets of "sacred" water makes a difference in going to "hell" or "heaven"?

and btw, yes, i do believe that people can be reincarnated as octopus on another planet




You're not answering the full question:

quote: "Those humans who are not ready to leave 3rd Density when they die will not reincarnate on Earth."

Do you believe "humans who are not ready to leave 3rd Density" will become water creatures. The is a difference between just reincarnated or reincarnated because you did not follow Nancys bogud cult.
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Answer:

Humans who are not ready to leave 3rd Density will become -CRAB PEOPLE!



laugh
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She is a NASTY piece of work, an arrogant ego-maniac of the lowest kind.


Again the misunderstanding that someone who is Service to Others always has to be nice and friendly.
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I corrected YOUR misunderstanding that this is what people thing "STO" means. Of course you ignore it and repeat the same misconception again. What a surprise. Zetacult members are unable to change their thinking when presented with new information.


Especialy by people who threat her and the ones take the message of the Zetas serious like dirt.
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What has led to that treatment has been the wilfull ignoring of new information, exactly like you just demonstrated, and the Zetacult members constant attacks upon anyone who attempts to offer anything which is different than what Nancy Lieder says, even though she has been proven wrong countless times, and the constant characterization of anyone speaking against Nancy as a paid government agent. LIVE WITH IT. You guys CREATED IT.

And then you expect that she is nice to you?
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NANCY began attacking and libeling people on Sci.astro YEARS ago. Don't try to say she didn't.

From ZetaTalk: Key Characterictics

ZetaTalk: Key Characteristics
Note: written by Jul 15, 1995

There is a common misunderstanding, that being that Service-to-Others is all bleeding heart concern and the Service-to-Self is snarling greed. Nothing could be further from the truth. These animals come in various sizes and shapes. One must look for the key characteristics, in fact, to even identify them. An example, look to ourselves. We are Service-to-Others Zetas. Do we not defend ourselves? Do we not have particular goals we press? Do we lie down and let others walk all over us? Yet we are concerned for the general welfare and work hard to improve this for ourselves as well as others.

Likewise, the Service-to-Self are often misunderstood. As we have mentioned elsewhere, they can be charming and diplomatic. The key is the goal, not the goal stated, which may be packaged to appeal to those to be duped, but the actual goal. A reduction in pollution laws, packaged as enabling employers to stay in business, is in fact a power play by those who resent any restrictions on their power. The unemployment rate has nothing to do with this, but is waved about as a reason. Wives are familiar with the common husband excuse for late hours and avoidance of home chores. The job requires this, and the wife should bear in mind who is slaving away to bring home the bacon.

In sum, the Service-to-Others individual may be gruff, distracted, disheveled, and inaccessible. But what are they working toward? How do they react when a truth test comes, where they must be willing to sacrifice themselves for others? Do they come through? And the Service-to-Self individual may be suave, seemingly generous, even defending others. But when their welfare is lined up against another, when they must truly share and words are asked to be replaced by actions, what then?
All rights reserved: ZetaTalk@ZetaTalk.com

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What makes you think this is accurate or real? Oh... I know... you believe ANYTHING Nancy Lieder says.
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You're welcome ... just keep bumping our thread while the ZetardTalk sinks to the bottom of the page because she has lost most of her followerd.

Why ZetaTalk is so important ? Because its deceiving people ... I hate Nancy Lieder as much as I hate Scientologists, the Pope and his Christians, Creationists ... and every other being that does not live a life of pure science ... I love people like Richard Sawkins, Richard Feynman (rip), and so forth, people who base all they do on science ... this is a war of good versus evil, logic vs. bogus cult.


i see, but isnt it too arrogant to put yourself over the "gullible populace" and decide what influence they should be subject to? leave it to them themselves - let THEM decide. or do you deny their capability to do so?
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YOU, NANCY and ALL OF ZETATALK seek to put yourselves in EXACTLY the position you are complaining about.

Idiot.
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hey smartass, do you believe that increasing tectonics and slowing of the Earths rotation is caused by heightened greenhouse gasses in the atmoshpere?


What increased tectonics and slowing of the earth rotation are you talking about ?

If the earth would slow down its rotation days and nights would get longer of course ... they dont, at least not here where I live ... please explain.
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Answer Andrew ... ! ... why dont the days and nights dont get longer if the earth rotation gets slowed down ?

News








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