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When will people grow up and see both sides of the debate here?

How about someone try to present both sides for a change.

Anyone who takes Nancy's message as completely legitimate is in denial. She was wrong in 2003. She is still wrong now.

1) Not a single clear image of Planet X was ever shot when it was "visible" in 2001-2003.

2) The Zetas have shown paltry accuracy when it comes to predicting man's affairs.
a) Didn't know who John Lennon was (don't believe Nancy's BS explanation).
b) Didn't think Obama would be president.
c) Didn't think H1N1 would be called a pandemic. the Zetas supposedly have IQs of 286 yet they couldn't predict the need for caution and concern over a new, novel and highly infectious strain of influenza? Doesn't sound too smart to me.
d)OH and they didn't think Bush would wage war in Iraq! Supposedly it was just a bunch of saber rattling to distract us from more pressing issues.

I know what is in the mind of man better than they do, and I am quite terrestrial, and quite non-telepathic!

3) And where are those devastating "crop shortages" that were enormously emphasized by the Zetas in the late 1990s? Surely we can say that there have been some famines as well as increase in prices due to increase in oil, climate devastation from global warming, massive price increases fuel and everything, but no massive food shortage as the Zetas predicted. This was the Zetas STRONGEST claim back in the pre-2003 days. Everyone likes to forget that. Where are the food clubs and massive government-controlled food rations that were predicted? They are NOWHERE. If you don't believe me, look at the Zeta's predictions. Look at troubled times. The emphasis is all on massive food shortages that NEVER materialized!

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

"We have predicted there will in essence be a complete crop
failure for the 3 years going into the Spring of 2003. This
means the years of 2000, 2001, and 2002 will find such
devastation to commercial crops that the stores set aside by
the government for such disasters will be depleted greatly.
"

If there were so many crop shortages in those nations, and it has been almost nine years since it started, why isn't the whole world in abject famine by now? Oh wait, I forgot about the white lie....the much trumped up need to "fool" the establishment. What was the reason for fooling people into believing they would lose all of their food? I can't think of how that would tie in in to Nancy and the Zetas needs to "fool" the elites. Why would we need to fool millions of people in developing nations? Why cause panic, looting and rioting by claiming that massive food shortages are soon to take place? Doesn't sound very 4D to me. Could it be that the this prediction was simply false and continues to be false? Why isn't Nancy emphasizing it now? Because it isn't really happening.

4) There is absolutely no solid evidence for the wobble.

5) The notion that Earth is trapped in her orbit around the Sun is ludicrous. Such a scenario would affect magnetic activity on earth in unmistakable, profound ways. Furthermore, ZetaTalk claims that the earth has a dead twin locked in a parallel orbit with earth.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

If earth is locked in its orbit, why don't we run into this planet now? Oh, don't tell me. It too is mysteriously locked by the strange forces of Planet X.??? Then how would the gravitational field of a planet with only 4x the mass of the Earth affect the movement of two planets who are further than the entire of the girth of the Sun From moving in two OPPOSITE directions with respect to each other and Planet X? (remember, they are on opposite sides of the earth and cannot move in retrograde to each other, or else we would see this planet). Clearly Zetatalk trips over it's own lies.

If believers cannot see that, then they are lost. But I know why they hold on to the message of ZetaTalk. It appears to have some truth to it. If you truly believe in "living in the gray" embracing a STO mentality, thinking for yourself as the Zetas purport, you will admit that ZetaTalk is only an approximation, a vision of certain spiritual ideas and realities that are only lightly nascent to mankind. Other spiritual philosophers have discussed in the past what it means to be STO. Jesus, Gandhi. Other sources confirm and attempt to corroborate extraterrestrial involvement in earth's affairs. ZetaTalk isn't the be all, end all source. And it is largely the work of one woman. It is only attractive to you because it tries to put it all under one umbrella. But clearly it is a little too full of itself. Get over it. Grow up, and think for yourself. Take the ideas and philosophies that work for you from it, and abandon the nonsense. If you want to be "Service to Other" get involved in something important in the world around you, that helps others. And if you are truly doing a sincere job, you won't have time to worry about ZetaTalk.
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I hate Nancy Lieder as much as I hate Scientologists, the Pope and his Christians, Creationists ... and every other being that does not live a life of pure science ... I love people like Richard Sawkins, Richard Feynman (rip), and so forth, people who base all they do on science ... this is a war of good versus evil, logic vs. bogus cult.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 780719


and what is science, in truth? you have to be "stunningly superficial" to blindly cling to it as means of knowing the truth and not see it for what it became nowadays.

the core of sciences error is the assumption that "We now know everything". BECAUSE of that modern science has become a virtual "sacred canonical knowledge", which is:

1.- a result of **agreement** by majority of figures recognized and authorized by scientific community = "consensus reality".

(* scientific community itself is a self-perpetuating MAFIA, riddled with self-interest, personal agendas and pursuit of commercial success. search of TRUTH has nothing to do with it anymore.)

2.- consists of many differing opinions, often opposite, and it is not established what IS true.

3.- is approved and decided by the highest officials, both scientific and governmental. THEY decide what should be told to populace.
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hey smartass, do you believe that increasing tectonics and slowing of the Earths rotation is caused by heightened greenhouse gasses in the atmoshpere?


What increased tectonics and slowing of the earth rotation are you talking about ?

If the earth would slow down its rotation days and nights would get longer of course ... they dont, at least not here where I live ... please explain.



Answer Andrew ... ! ... why dont the days and nights dont get longer if the earth rotation gets slowed down ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 780719


He can't answer.
He has been transformed into an octopus on another planet.


putin


How old are you Andrew?
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I hate Nancy Lieder as much as I hate Scientologists, the Pope and his Christians, Creationists ... and every other being that does not live a life of pure science ... I love people like Richard Sawkins, Richard Feynman (rip), and so forth, people who base all they do on science ... this is a war of good versus evil, logic vs. bogus cult.


and what is science, in truth? you have to be "stunningly superficial" to blindly cling to it as means of knowing the truth and not see it for what it became nowadays.

the core of sciences error is the assumption that "We now know everything". BECAUSE of that modern science has become a virtual "sacred canonical knowledge", which is:

1.- a result of **agreement** by majority of figures recognized and authorized by scientific community = "consensus reality".

(* scientific community itself is a self-perpetuating MAFIA, riddled with self-interest, personal agendas and pursuit of commercial success. search of TRUTH has nothing to do with it anymore.)

2.- consists of many differing opinions, often opposite, and it is not established what IS true.

3.- is approved and decided by the highest officials, both scientific and governmental. THEY decide what should be told to populace.
 Quoting: andrew


Bullshit ... science is something everyone can prove for himself ... he doesnt need much more than a calculator and some common sense.


BTW ... you did not aswer my question about the slowed down earth rotation above !
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contradiction is in your mind, not in reality or ZetaTalk which describes it!
 Quoting: andrew


ZetaTalk is full of contradiction. For instance, Nancy claims the "white lie" was implemented to keep the government guessing so they couldn't enslave people. Guess what? Here's a statement that contradicts the purpose of the "white lie":

"As explained on Gentile last evening, but repeated here as many will not be able to hear this streaming audio, we have given the dates out because the US and Indonesian governments can no longer succeed with their plans. We had held the date close, to put these governments in the same position the common man they planned to murder are in, so that rotation stoppage would happen suddenly and prevent a smooth blockading of the city dwellers. As Nancy has been able to be interviewed in the US, the message of these plans replayed around the world, cooperation by the military or locale police in such blockades are unlikely to happen. Given such orders, they would object, refuse, allow escape, as they know the true agenda. Thus, the number of people injured by withholding the date outnumbered the number that would be murdered, the balance scale tipped."
ZetaTalk: Dates, Why Now?
 Quoting: ZetaTalk


Hmmm. Did you read the bolded portion of that statement? Just in case you missed it, let's review. The "Zetas" said they gave out the dates because the U.S. and Indonesian governments could no longer succeed with their plans. That sounds like a contradiction to me. And it means the "white lie" is nothing more than an excuse to explain away her failed prediction.
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the frantic effort of the "de-bunker" crowd to twist, deliberately misinterpret and switch words and concepts is truly amazing in its fervor
 Quoting: andrew

In what way is anything being twisted or deliberately misinterpreted? Provide examples to back up your statement. If you are unable to, then your claim is baseless as are Nancy's claims about "Planet X."

everyone sees you for what you are!
 Quoting: andrew

And just who is everyone? Everyone on Earth? Everyone on GLP? Or, when you say "everyone", do you mean the few people that actually support Nancy?
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hey smartass, do you believe that increasing tectonics and slowing of the Earths rotation is caused by heightened greenhouse gasses in the atmoshpere?


What increased tectonics and slowing of the earth rotation are you talking about ?

If the earth would slow down its rotation days and nights would get longer of course ... they dont, at least not here where I live ... please explain.



Answer Andrew ... ! ... why dont the days and nights dont get longer if the earth rotation gets slowed down ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 780719



Answer the question ! You should be able to provide an answer to this simple question.
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I hate Nancy Lieder as much as I hate Scientologists, the Pope and his Christians, Creationists ... and every other being that does not live a life of pure science ... I love people like Richard Sawkins, Richard Feynman (rip), and so forth, people who base all they do on science ... this is a war of good versus evil, logic vs. bogus cult.


and what is science, in truth? you have to be "stunningly superficial" to blindly cling to it as means of knowing the truth and not see it for what it became nowadays.

the core of sciences error is the assumption that "We now know everything". BECAUSE of that modern science has become a virtual "sacred canonical knowledge", which is:

1.- a result of **agreement** by majority of figures recognized and authorized by scientific community = "consensus reality".

(* scientific community itself is a self-perpetuating MAFIA, riddled with self-interest, personal agendas and pursuit of commercial success. search of TRUTH has nothing to do with it anymore.)

2.- consists of many differing opinions, often opposite, and it is not established what IS true.

3.- is approved and decided by the highest officials, both scientific and governmental. THEY decide what should be told to populace.
 Quoting: andrew


You give VAST lip-service to this idea, and it SOUNDS good, on the surface. However, when do you EVER try to demonstrate SPECIFIC instances when this modern science you decry is wrong about things?

Why do you refuse to discuss the "Zeta" astronomical claims and defend them in the face of the modern science you claim is so wrong?

You are an empty-headed blowhard, Andrew. Nothing more.
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the debunker intelligence is plunging with an ever excellerating rate.
 Quoting: andrew

Really? "Debunker" intelligence has been able to prove that "Planet X" is not hanging out by the sun. It has proven that Earth is not halted in orbit. And it has proven that Earth is not wobbling. Meanwhile, "bunker" intelligence hasn't been able to prove anything. If you believe otherwise - do yourself a favor. Prove it.

ALERT! ALERT! Total fail has already happened and is expected again in 2012!
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Here, Andrew. I posted this bit on Nancy's thread last week. How about YOU take a stab at explaining the contradiction.

**********************************

Was just looking for the date at which "Zetas" claim Earth is halted, but found this instead:

[link to www.zetatalk.com] (written Mar 16, 2004)

"Because NASA also has a dilemma in the Earth’s dark twin rounding the bend and coming up behind it in the orbit path they share. This will become visible soon, if not already, and will come close to the Earth before other dramas intervene."


Hmm... Nancy has been claiming that the "Dark Twin" cannot be seen. Hmm... Who is lying, Nancy or "Zetas"? Hmm...

Any of you believers dare to ask about this gaffe?
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slowing of the Earths rotation

Answer Andrew ... ! ... why dont the days and nights dont get longer if the earth rotation gets slowed down ?
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Answer the question ! You should be able to provide an answer to this simple question.
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what i know is that it came upon Earth and caused destruction in the past
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No, what you have is a belief that it came and caused destruction in the past. You have no supporting evidence for it and every scientist on Earth would reject your claims for real science.

and that mammoths died in a Pole Shift. and it will happen again.
 Quoting: andrew

So did dinosaurs and many other species. None of their extinctions have been linked to a "pole shift" or some "rogue planet" that defies all laws of physics.

if that doesnt fit in with modern science then it is the problem of science and those clinging to it like children to a parent.
 Quoting: andrew

Yes, of course...a small handful of people who support Nancy but have no expertise in geology, meteorology or astronomy are right. All scientists the world over who have studied, conducted tests, collected and analyzed data are wrong.

"Mommy NASA told me that Planet X doesnt exist! Mommy is always right!"
 Quoting: andrew

"My mommy Nancy told me that Planet X is real without presenting any evidence to support her claims! Mommy is always right!"
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hmm... then why intelligent and bright people, unlike you, DO NOT share this opinion?
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Such as? Does Stephen Hawking share your opinion of "Planet X?" He's probably one of the greatest minds of our time and I don't see him supporting "Planet X."
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5) The notion that Earth is trapped in her orbit around the Sun is ludicrous. Such a scenario would affect magnetic activity on earth in unmistakable, profound ways. Furthermore, ZetaTalk claims that the earth has a dead twin locked in a parallel orbit with earth.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

If earth is locked in its orbit, why don't we run into this planet now? Oh, don't tell me. It too is mysteriously locked by the strange forces of Planet X.??? Then how would the gravitational field of a planet with only 4x the mass of the Earth affect the movement of two planets who are further than the entire of the girth of the Sun From moving in two OPPOSITE directions with respect to each other and Planet X? (remember, they are on opposite sides of the earth and cannot move in retrograde to each other, or else we would see this planet). Clearly Zetatalk trips over it's own lies.

correction, opposite sides of the SUN.
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"Mommy NASA told me that Planet X doesnt exist! Mommy is always right!"

"My mommy Nancy told me that Planet X is real without presenting any evidence to support her claims! Mommy is always right!"
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Yeah I saw him say that too, childish.
Andrew, how old are you? I think you're a teenager.
You can at least answer that by yourself.

Or do you have your mommy, Nancy?
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no, i rely on independent thinking. are you familiar with the concept?
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Independent thinking does not equal being right. But since you brought it up...how do you think a majority of the scientific discoveries made throughout history were made? It required independent thinking. Many believed that Earth was the center of the solar system. It took one man, who went against the mainstream by thinking independently, to suggest that the Sun was the center of the solar system. Many scoffed at this suggestion. But you know what? He then proved his theory. Something you, Nancy and all her other supporters have been unable to do...many haven't even tried. Nancy simply expects others to believe her just because she said so.

or are you allowing the shool system to wash your brain out?
 Quoting: andrew

The science taught in school is based on hundreds of years of observation and study done by independent thinkers in the past.

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So thousands of years of progress in science and math mean nothing to you then, you only rely on your "independent" thinking.
 Quoting: The Commentator

Not entirely. It also depends on what Nancy and the "Zetas" tell him. If either of them were to say 2+2=3,453 then he would accept that.
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slowing of the Earths rotation

Answer Andrew ... ! ... why dont the days and nights dont get longer if the earth rotation gets slowed down ?
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Answer the question please ! ... I know why you dont answer ... because you can't ... we got you by the balls !!!
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boycott ("de-bunkers" ejecting themselves from ZetaTalk chats on their own) brought new supporters, "watchers" to speak out, probabaly for the first time, because the thread was not filled with crap and distractions.
 Quoting: andrew

New supporters? Why are they all anonymous? How do you know those people are genuine? Isn't it possible that they're just playing with you? Oh, that's right...you believe anything as long as it shows support.
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slowing of the Earths rotation

Answer Andrew ... ! ... why dont the days and nights dont get longer if the earth rotation gets slowed down ?


Answer the question please ! ... I know why you dont answer ... because you can't ... we got you by the balls !!!
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clappa

Answer the question, ZetaTard.
Now!

( He is probably emailing Nancy for the bullshit answer as we speak. )
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hey smartass, do you believe that increasing tectonics
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Increasing tectonics? What are you talking about? Are you trying to say there's an increase in earthquakes? If so, that's already been proven false.

and slowing of the Earths rotation is caused by heightened greenhouse gasses in the atmoshpere?
 Quoting: andrew

What slowing? Sunrise and sunset times are happening at the same time they did several years ago. Prove otherwise.
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That was lots of fun!
See ya next week guys!

See ya Andrew, aka: Octoboy!
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That was lots of fun!
See ya next week guys!

See ya Andrew, aka: Octoboy!
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bye bro .... we got the crabpeople by the balls ... especially Andrew, the Octoboy.
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Answer the question please !
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You aren't going to get an answer. When they make a claim that can easily be proven true or false and someone asks for that proof, they usually run away...which means the claim was false and they know it.

Speaking of which...I seem to recall that several pages back ZetaMax said he was going to present evidence supporting his claims about Alaska and some palm frond. Whatever happened with that? I never saw it. Did he actually present something? Or did he follow his usual M.O. by dodging, evading and stalling?
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Answer the question please !

You aren't going to get an answer. When they make a claim that can easily be proven true or false and someone asks for that proof, they usually run away...which means the claim was false and they know it.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Thats what I thought ... I'll head for a little nap now and check back later to see if Andrew did answer this simple question !
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hey smartass, do you believe that increasing tectonics and slowing of the Earths rotation .....snip 8<......
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NOT happening Andrew, check your scientific databases, that's if mommy lets you use the internet for more than 10 minutes.
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1.- a result of **agreement** by majority of figures recognized and authorized by scientific community = "consensus reality".
 Quoting: andrew


Take one dried pea, (you can afford a dried pea?) now drop it, look! it falls to the floor, that is called gravity!

Take Nancy's planetX, now the Sun, the dried pea is your mythical planet, your head is the Sun. Drop the pea on your head, this is how gravity works, easy even for you!

So if planetX is stationary next to the sun it falls, just like the pea! End of your planet!

So simple even you can understand!
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You're not answering the full question:

quote: "Those humans who are not ready to leave 3rd Density when they die will not reincarnate on Earth."

Do you believe "humans who are not ready to leave 3rd Density" will become water creatures. The is a difference between just reincarnated or reincarnated because you did not follow Nancys bogud cult.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 780719


there is a difference between "following Nancys bogus cult", as you call it, and practicing basic principles of STO philosophy.

yes, i DO believe that human spirits who have not made their spiritual orientation decision yet will be required to reincarnate on a water world, to continue their deliverations.
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hey smartass, do you believe that increasing tectonics and slowing of the Earths rotation is caused by heightened greenhouse gasses in the atmoshpere?


What increased tectonics and slowing of the earth rotation are you talking about ?

If the earth would slow down its rotation days and nights would get longer of course ... they dont, at least not here where I live ... please explain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 780719


THIS tectonic increase and slowing rotation!:

[link to www.nowpublic.com]

[link to dilu.bol.ucla.edu]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.timeanddate.com]


[link to edition.cnn.com]

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You're not answering the full question:

quote: "Those humans who are not ready to leave 3rd Density when they die will not reincarnate on Earth."

Do you believe "humans who are not ready to leave 3rd Density" will become water creatures. The is a difference between just reincarnated or reincarnated because you did not follow Nancys bogud cult.


there is a difference between "following Nancys bogus cult", as you call it, and practicing basic principles of STO philosophy.

yes, i DO believe that human spirits who have not made their spiritual orientation decision yet will be required to reincarnate on a water world, to continue their deliverations.
 Quoting: andrew


If Nancy, "Zetas" and you are all "STO", why do you all promote false astronomical claims?

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