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i see, but isnt it too arrogant to put yourself over the "gullible populace" and decide what influence they should be subject to? leave it to them themselves - let THEM decide. or do you deny their capability to do so?

YOU, NANCY and ALL OF ZETATALK seek to put yourselves in EXACTLY the position you are complaining about.

Idiot.
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no, we are insisting on an equal possibility to address the masses. they will decide themselves, but must have a chance to hear ALL voices!

they have a RIGHT TO KNOW! thats why Chinese govmt practice of "internet filters" is not acceptable - it has no right to decide for its citizens. whatever the excuse might me. its a manipulation, a tactic.
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hey smartass, do you believe that increasing tectonics and slowing of the Earths rotation is caused by heightened greenhouse gasses in the atmoshpere?


What increased tectonics and slowing of the earth rotation are you talking about ?

If the earth would slow down its rotation days and nights would get longer of course ... they dont, at least not here where I live ... please explain.


THIS tectonic increase and slowing rotation!:

[link to www.nowpublic.com]

[link to dilu.bol.ucla.edu]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.timeanddate.com]


[link to edition.cnn.com]

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I don't even have to look to know you are posting links to a MINISCULE slowing of rotation which bears NO resemblence to the "Zeta" claims.

That's the same as posting links to the well-known Chandler wobble and saying that supports Nancy's wobble claims. They bear NO relationship at all.
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The addition of a leap second every couple of years has been going on for a long time and has nothing to do with your mystical "Planet X" which is supposed to cause a rotation stoppage.
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When will people grow up and see both sides of the debate here?

How about someone try to present both sides for a change.

Anyone who takes Nancy's message as completely legitimate is in denial. She was wrong in 2003. She is still wrong now.

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if this maneuver wasnt there (in ZetaTalk) it should be invented and put there.

it is a hitch for exactly such people as you, who need to feel confident that they can easily dismiss the message so as not to worry too much and no need to change their belief systems.
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why do you see it as your personal vendetta to challenge her?

is it personal, do you have any personal issues with her and about her website?
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why do you feel the need to defend her? Is it personal? Don't you care about people that lie and when caught in the lie make up more lies? Don't you care that anyone who poses hard questions gets banned and their posts removed?

You say that everyone should make up their minds for themselves, so what is wrong with looking at both sides? In order to make up your mind about anything it is good to have as much information as possible, pro and con. Why would you deny anyone the right to have access to the flip side of what Nancy spins?

As for it being personal, yes, I have an issue with Nancy and her website. I have issues with people that set up bogus non profit organizations and spread lies. I have a problem with the way she censors and bans people that ask her questions that she is not prepared to answer or when they point out obvious contradictions, which you will come across very quickly on her website or during the course of one of her chats. Her story is so convoluted that she can't keep it straight anymore.

Independent critical thinking requires that you look at something from all possible sides, gather information, weigh it and test it before coming to a conclusion. Too bad you haven't learned to do that yet.
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Hate to tell you this nutbag, Global Warming is a HOAX.
We are now going into a cooling period. You're article is from 2002!

Temperature is all about sunspot activity and there is a clear sine wave pattern associated with it. Did you know that back in the 70's and 80's as the world was in a cooling trend the same media outlets your using as a source said we were going into an ice age?

The entire basis for your argument is a fraud.
I feel bad for you.
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And here's data showing no increase:

[link to www.johnstonsarchive.net]
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i see, but isnt it too arrogant to put yourself over the "gullible populace" and decide what influence they should be subject to? leave it to them themselves - let THEM decide. or do you deny their capability to do so?

YOU, NANCY and ALL OF ZETATALK seek to put yourselves in EXACTLY the position you are complaining about.

Idiot.


no, we are insisting on an equal possibility to address the masses. they will decide themselves, but must have a chance to hear ALL voices!

they have a RIGHT TO KNOW! thats why Chinese govmt practice of "internet filters" is not acceptable - it has no right to decide for its citizens. whatever the excuse might me. its a manipulation, a tactic.
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Who is stopping you? Who, among the debunkers here, has said that any of you should not be allowed to speak your mind?

By the way, what is it you feel people have a right to "know"? That Earth is halted in orbit? That Earth is being abnormally tilted by aliens? That the Sun is not where it belongs in the sky? All of that is FALSE, but how "STO" of you to want people to "know" that bullshit.
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Hate to tell you this nutbag, Global Warming is a HOAX.
We are now going into a cooling period. You're article is from 2002!
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I disagree. Either way, more study needs to be done. Whether global warming is true or not, neither one has anything to do with some "rogue planet."
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contradiction is in your mind, not in reality or ZetaTalk which describes it!


ZetaTalk is full of contradiction. For instance, Nancy claims the "white lie" was implemented to keep the government guessing so they couldn't enslave people. Guess what? Here's a statement that contradicts the purpose of the "white lie":


"As explained on Gentile last evening, but repeated here as many will not be able to hear this streaming audio, we have given the dates out because the US and Indonesian governments can no longer succeed with their plans. We had held the date close, to put these governments in the same position the common man they planned to murder are in, so that rotation stoppage would happen suddenly and prevent a smooth blockading of the city dwellers. As Nancy has been able to be interviewed in the US, the message of these plans replayed around the world, cooperation by the military or locale police in such blockades are unlikely to happen. Given such orders, they would object, refuse, allow escape, as they know the true agenda. Thus, the number of people injured by withholding the date outnumbered the number that would be murdered, the balance scale tipped."
ZetaTalk: Dates, Why Now?


Hmmm. Did you read the bolded portion of that statement? Just in case you missed it, let's review. The "Zetas" said they gave out the dates because the U.S. and Indonesian governments could no longer succeed with their plans. That sounds like a contradiction to me. And it means the "white lie" is nothing more than an excuse to explain away her failed prediction.
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it has no inner contradictions within itself! thats why it is so remarkeable source. what you call "contradictions" is your lack of knowledge or understanding - way too often people simply "react" to something that disturbs them, not going deeply inti it
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they have a RIGHT TO KNOW!
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Then why are the "Zetas" doing everything they can to make everything "appear normal?"
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Sept. 22, 1909

West Duxbury, Mass - Firm in their conviction that the world will end at 10 a.m. next Friday, about 300 members of the denomination known as the Latter Reign of the Apostolic Church, are spending the few remaining hours in prayer, song and exhortation. The scene of their religious activity is Ashdod, a little wooden chapel on the main turnpike between Boston and Plymouth in this town. They believe that the crust of the earth will peel off, destroying the wicked, that only the righteous will survive.


Sound familiar? Change a few words and you have Nancy and zetatalk.
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If the earth would slow down its rotation days and nights would get longer of course ... they dont, at least not here where I live ... please explain.

Answer Andrew ... ! ... why dont the days and nights dont get longer if the earth rotation gets slowed down ?

Answer the question ! You should be able to provide an answer to this simple question.
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why?

i am not obliged to answer anything to you!

stop ranting
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it has no inner contradictions within itself! thats why it is so remarkeable source. what you call "contradictions" is your lack of knowledge or understanding - way too often people simply "react" to something that disturbs them, not going deeply inti it
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No. What you believe was a legitimate reason is nothing more than your lack of independent thinking. It is your refusal to believe that the "white lie" is nothing but an excuse. You want to believe what Nancy tells you so you don't see it as a contradiction. But ask anyone else who has never heard of ZetaTalk and they'll tell you it is.

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contradiction is in your mind, not in reality or ZetaTalk which describes it!


ZetaTalk is full of contradiction. For instance, Nancy claims the "white lie" was implemented to keep the government guessing so they couldn't enslave people. Guess what? Here's a statement that contradicts the purpose of the "white lie":


"As explained on Gentile last evening, but repeated here as many will not be able to hear this streaming audio, we have given the dates out because the US and Indonesian governments can no longer succeed with their plans. We had held the date close, to put these governments in the same position the common man they planned to murder are in, so that rotation stoppage would happen suddenly and prevent a smooth blockading of the city dwellers. As Nancy has been able to be interviewed in the US, the message of these plans replayed around the world, cooperation by the military or locale police in such blockades are unlikely to happen. Given such orders, they would object, refuse, allow escape, as they know the true agenda. Thus, the number of people injured by withholding the date outnumbered the number that would be murdered, the balance scale tipped."
ZetaTalk: Dates, Why Now?


Hmmm. Did you read the bolded portion of that statement? Just in case you missed it, let's review. The "Zetas" said they gave out the dates because the U.S. and Indonesian governments could no longer succeed with their plans. That sounds like a contradiction to me. And it means the "white lie" is nothing more than an excuse to explain away her failed prediction.


it has no inner contradictions within itself! thats why it is so remarkeable source. what you call "contradictions" is your lack of knowledge or understanding - way too often people simply "react" to something that disturbs them, not going deeply inti it
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What malarky. If there are no contradictions, why did you skip over this?



Here, Andrew. I posted this bit on Nancy's thread last week. How about YOU take a stab at explaining the contradiction.

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Was just looking for the date at which "Zetas" claim Earth is halted, but found this instead:

[link to www.zetatalk.com] (written Mar 16, 2004)

"Because NASA also has a dilemma in the Earth’s dark twin rounding the bend and coming up behind it in the orbit path they share. This will become visible soon, if not already, and will come close to the Earth before other dramas intervene."


Hmm... Nancy has been claiming that the "Dark Twin" cannot be seen. Hmm... Who is lying, Nancy or "Zetas"? Hmm...

Any of you believers dare to ask about this gaffe?
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contradiction is in your mind, not in reality or ZetaTalk which describes it!


ZetaTalk is full of contradiction. For instance, Nancy claims the "white lie" was implemented to keep the government guessing so they couldn't enslave people. Guess what? Here's a statement that contradicts the purpose of the "white lie":


"As explained on Gentile last evening, but repeated here as many will not be able to hear this streaming audio, we have given the dates out because the US and Indonesian governments can no longer succeed with their plans. We had held the date close, to put these governments in the same position the common man they planned to murder are in, so that rotation stoppage would happen suddenly and prevent a smooth blockading of the city dwellers. As Nancy has been able to be interviewed in the US, the message of these plans replayed around the world, cooperation by the military or locale police in such blockades are unlikely to happen. Given such orders, they would object, refuse, allow escape, as they know the true agenda. Thus, the number of people injured by withholding the date outnumbered the number that would be murdered, the balance scale tipped."
ZetaTalk: Dates, Why Now?


Hmmm. Did you read the bolded portion of that statement? Just in case you missed it, let's review. The "Zetas" said they gave out the dates because the U.S. and Indonesian governments could no longer succeed with their plans. That sounds like a contradiction to me. And it means the "white lie" is nothing more than an excuse to explain away her failed prediction.


it has no inner contradictions within itself! thats why it is so remarkeable source. what you call "contradictions" is your lack of knowledge or understanding - way too often people simply "react" to something that disturbs them, not going deeply inti it
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I would start listing more contradictions, but you would just ignore them, as always. You are brainwashed, Andrew.
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it has no inner contradictions within itself! thats why it is so remarkeable source. what you call "contradictions" is your lack of knowledge or understanding - way too often people simply "react" to something that disturbs them, not going deeply inti it

No. What you believe was a legitimate reason is nothing more than your lack of independent thinking. It is your refusal to believe that the "white lie" is nothing but an excuse. You want to believe what Nancy tells you so you don't see it as a contradiction. But ask anyone else who has never heard of ZetaTalk and they'll tell you it is.
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The famous "White Lie" is dependent upon a belief that the world's astronomers and NASA can't locate and track a large planet right in the inner Solar System and were reading Zetatalk to get that information. Utterly ridiculous.
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If the earth would slow down its rotation days and nights would get longer of course ... they dont, at least not here where I live ... please explain.

Answer Andrew ... ! ... why dont the days and nights dont get longer if the earth rotation gets slowed down ?

Answer the question ! You should be able to provide an answer to this simple question.


why?

i am not obliged to answer anything to you!


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One basic question for you Andrew:

Why do you believe Nancy so fervently?
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Hate to tell you this nutbag, Global Warming is a HOAX.
We are now going into a cooling period. You're article is from 2002!

I disagree. Either way, more study needs to be done. Whether global warming is true or not, neither one has anything to do with some "rogue planet."
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"Sun spot number: correlation with global warming"

[link to motls.blogspot.com]

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"31,478 American scientists have signed this petition,
including 9,029 with PhDs Slamming Global warming Hoax"

[link to www.petitionproject.org]

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"Global Warming - The Sun is responsible"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuO2YfWDRsM

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"LPACTV: Goodbye Global Warming"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgVfOcbwAts

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"Another part of global warming theory 'topples'"

[link to www.americanthinker.com]

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"Japanese scientists just completed a vast study on global warming. They concluded that phases are inevitable and sporadic. They are caused bythe sun and not by Al Gore's nonsense."

[link to www2.hernandotoday.com]

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"Polish Academy of Sciences Questions Gore's Man-Made Global Warming Theory"

[link to www.washingtonexaminer.com]

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"Another Dissenter: U.S. Naval Academy Chemist slams climate fears as `imaginary boogeyman"

Peer reviewed government scientist, Dr. Mark Campbell, joins the growing rank of "dissenting" scientists and calls climate fears 'imaginary boogeyman', then goes on to accuse the media of 'journalistic malpractice'.

[link to www.globalwarminghoax.com] 00

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"Media Ignore Al Gore’s Financial Ties to Global Warming"

[link to newsbusters.org]
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petitionproject.org is stretching the numbers when it claims the numbers of "scientists" - they include any one with any degree in science - even fields that are miles apart from those concerned with the climate.
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I'm curious Andrew...when 2012 arrives and there's no "Planet X"...will you believe whatever reason Nancy comes up with to explain why it didn't show up? Will you believe it's still coming even though two separate "predictions", nine years apart, failed to happen? Or will your independent thinking cause you to believe otherwise?

I asked Gerard similar questions and he said he'll continue believing "Planet X" is coming no matter how many times it fails to show up.
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what i know is that it came upon Earth and caused destruction in the past

No, what you have is a belief
that it came and caused destruction in the past. You have no supporting evidence for it and every scientist on Earth would reject your claims for real science.

all a matter of interpretation. they can interpret-out ANYTHING to their liking. anything endlessly ABSURD. while pole shift theory, to the contrary, is not absurd, it is logical and offers the best explanation, though it may be disturbing.

and that mammoths died in a Pole Shift. and it will happen again.

So did dinosaurs and many other species. None of their extinctions have been linked to a "pole shift" or some "rogue planet" that defies all laws of physics.

adjust your laws of physics according to reality first.

mammoths are really a phenomena, because they have been frozen at the very moment they lost their lives and didnt thaw ever since.

if that doesnt fit in with modern science then it is the problem of science and those clinging to it like children to a parent.

Yes, of course...a small handful of people who support Nancy but have no expertise in geology, meteorology or astronomy are right. All
scientists the world over who have studied, conducted tests, collected and analyzed data are wrong.

it is possible and it happens. Copernicus was alone, Galileo was alone - there were FEW of them opposed to the hierarchy and gullible masses.

"Mommy NASA told me that Planet X doesnt exist! Mommy is always right!"

"My mommy Nancy told me that Planet X is real without presenting any
evidence to support her claims! Mommy is always right!"

Nancy's explanation at least makes sense, unlike academic science, geology in particular. and her/Zeta explanation fits with my own thinking prior i knew about theirs. we agree on this.
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no, i rely on independent thinking. are you familiar with the concept?

Independent thinking does not equal being right. But since you brought it up...how do you think a majority of the scientific discoveries made throughout history were made? It required independent thinking. Many believed that Earth was the center of the solar system. It took one man, who went against the mainstream by thinking independently, to suggest that the Sun was the center of the solar system. Many scoffed at this suggestion. But you know what? He then proved his theory. Something you, Nancy and all her other supporters have been unable to do...many haven't even tried. Nancy simply expects others to believe her just because she said so.


or are you allowing the shool system to wash your brain out?

The science taught in school is based on hundreds of years of observation and study done by independent thinkers in the past.
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it can be only proved when Nibiru arrives at Solar system.
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petitionproject.org is stretching the numbers when it claims the numbers of "scientists" - they include any one with any degree in science - even fields that are miles apart from those concerned with the climate.
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And the people that Al Gore used to claim Global Warming was real ALL worked for the government, they only numbered around 5000, and many of them have come forward and stated they never agreed with Global Warming and there names were put on the list ANYWAY.

By the way, we just had the coldest year on average in recent memory. It's clearly documented. Because we reached the top of the curve and are now heading back down.
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Nancy's explanation at least makes sense, unlike academic science, geology in particular. and her/Zeta explanation fits with my own thinking prior i knew about theirs. we agree on this.
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Oh yeah!!! Nancy's 'explanation' is certainly MUCH better than crappy old 'academic science', with its irritating requirement for unnecessary shit like PROOF!

You are of stunningly low intelligence. Everything you post is ridiculous and serves only to further damn you as the imbecile you are.
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"Mommy NASA told me that Planet X doesnt exist! Mommy is always right!"

"My mommy Nancy told me that Planet X is real without presenting any evidence to support her claims! Mommy is always right!"


Yeah I saw him say that too, childish.
Andrew, how old are you? I think you're a teenager.
You can at least answer that by yourself.

Or do you have your mommy, Nancy?
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ALERT! ALERT!

attempt at deliberate twisting noted!

the user is a shill!

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Does everyone see the thread is fucked up?
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mammoths are really a phenomena, because they have been frozen at the very moment they lost their lives and didnt thaw ever since.
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What makes you think PX is the only possible explanation for that event?
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ALERT! ALERT!

attempt at deliberate twisting noted!

the user is a shill!

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Nobody finds your childishness very amusing.
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hey smartass, do you believe that increasing tectonics

Increasing tectonics? What are you talking about? Are you trying to say there's an increase in earthquakes? If so, that's already been proven false.


and slowing of the Earths rotation is caused by heightened greenhouse gasses in the atmoshpere?

What slowing? Sunrise and sunset times are happening at the same time they did several years ago. Prove otherwise.
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you can close your eyes forever and think that world disappeared TO YOU. it did NOT. sorry

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