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Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!

 
Gerard

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I agree that there is not such a thing as a ice age.
When i was younger i took this theory serious. But not anymore

If you take it serious then you could say there is now a ice age too in the areas that are covered by ice. This is what occured back then diferent areas where covered by ice and when the poles shifted, the climate changed again and the ice did build up again on the areas near the new poles.

This is where the poles where during previous pole shift according to Charles Hapgood

[link to www.poleshift.org]



Your link says that the pole shifts took 5000 years to happen. What about your "flash frozen" foolishness?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 719433


First of all i had to mention that i am not into Hapgood.
And note what i said according to Charles Hapgood.
In my opinion there was a rapid shift of the poles, not as what Hapgood claims.
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In my opinion there was a rapid shift of the poles, not as what Hapgood claims.
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Well, there you go...it's your opinion. All you have to do now is prove it.
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I don't have a degree in geology nor do i have a degree in science. But what does that say?
 Quoting: Gerard


It says you have several degrees in stupidity! this is from your own page! Notice how the lens flare jumps all around the image.



Your page

[link to poleshift.ning.com]
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[in fact i think about my lack of formal scientific education as a blessing in disguise - i am not brainwashed to pre-programmed thinking, i can look at things afresh]

If you had no scientific education how do you know the scientific theories well enough to reject them in favor of Nancy's?

You would need to LEARN about science if you wanted to disprove it!! Your 'opinion' of conventional science is WORTHLESS since you don't understand it!!!

Therefore, you FAIL!!!!


formal education - poof! means nothing.

its all pre-programming and "licensing" future members of academic MAFIA.

one does not need any **education** or **degree** to understand how world works. one can be self-educated, furthermore.

Maybe you would like to put your life in the hands of a self educated doctor? Not me, thanks.


self educated person has something way way more valuable than a degree, diploma or formal recognition - he has EXPERIENCE.
 Quoting: andrew

which you SURE have ..... plenty.

a lack of...
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Funny how the bunkers are spending far more time on this thread than they do on Nancy's.
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Please don't type those abhorrant names in bold type.


abhorrent: Adjective

hateful or disgusting

I do not hate you Melfy. ALL posters are welcome on the debunker thread. Posters do not appear to be censored of their opinions and discussions here. We do not arrogantly dismiss real facts that reveal actual truth against misleading and fraudulent claims.

And we certainly do not have a "notice to fans" posting!! :lol4me:

The debunker thread is one BIG:

:epicfail:
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

and therefor you have to attack it......

Nancy ace will tell rueful of being historic as moon renders or receiver traces almighty popcorn trips monday night to Zetamax Mercury swing repulsions
#-------------------------------
And WHOEVER solves this, he may NOT publish the solution, but just tell he got it, and may supply a proof by coding something the same way.
158 days ZT not solved
1 debunker solvers accepted (Oldsmobile)
#-------------------------------
Hints will be provided every 25 days
Hint No. 1: The riddle CAN be solved, and you WILL know if your solution is right. (everybody doing it can be proud)
Hint No. 2: Where did the riddle appear first? (everybody doing it should be proud)
Hint No. 3: Its no chiffre. It IS decribed in encryption history - but not available on the net (everybody doing it was diligent)
Hint No. 4: The riddle is easy. (everybody doing it can think)
Hint No. 5: The riddle is stegano. (everybody doing it may cry)
Hint No. 6 : You are thinking too difficult (everybody doing it will cry)
I decided to extend the schedule for next hints. (+ 50 days) Next after 200 days.
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I don't have a degree in geology nor do i have a degree in science. But what does that say?
 Quoting: Gerard

thats simple to answer.

you can be stupid WITH <OR> WITHOUT education.
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Funny how the bunkers are spending far more time on this thread than they do on Nancy's.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

thats the reason why it is no success.
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As an aside:

Gerard Zwaan

Zwaan was a member of the Troubled Times team and Yahoo forums from their beginnings. He is often seen on the Yahoo group tt-watch reminding everyone when the next Zetatalk IRC chat will occurr. As moderator of #zetatalk and #troubled_times on IRC he is known by the handle "obany".

Gerard Zwaan is also an interesting aspect of the ZetaTalk phenomena, in that he was perhaps the first true believer in the words of Nancy Lieder. In fact, several personal accounts have stated Zwaan is responsible for the majority of what ZetaTalk contained upon its webpages when it debuted in 1995. From what has been told of the time from well connected sources, Zwaan peppered Lieder with a multitude of paranormal "what if" questions in private communication which resulted in the "core" of 1995 Zetatalk.com. It has also been stated from close sources that Zwaan's personal identity is very much fixated upon the "reality" that Lieder has spun under the name of her Zetas. His emotional commitment to the "cause" is near fully invested, making it perhaps impossible to do anything but ride the proverbial wave until its inevitable crash.


[link to www.skepticalmind.com]
Gerard

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It says you have several degrees in stupidity! this is from your own page! Notice how the lens flare jumps all around the image.



Your page

[link to poleshift.ning.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 780906


Notice how there is a second sun at the right of the sun.
This is not about the lens flare.
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Notice how there is a second sun at the right of the sun.
This is not about the lens flare.
 Quoting: Gerard


[link to www.flickr.com]

Notice how there is no second sun in the photo taken just this month. This means the "second sun" in your photo isn't really there otherwise it would show up in other photos.

Hmmm, and no second sun in these photos:

[link to www.flickr.com]
[link to www.palfrey.org.uk]
[link to pulverblog.pulver.com]

Here's one taken in August:
[link to www.pentwateryachtclub.com]

One taken in July:
[link to www.pierfamily.com]

One taken in June:
[link to www.cricketworld.com]

Here are some from May:
[link to www.hkdigit.net]

Hmmm, five months of photos and no second sun.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 09/28/2009 09:56 AM
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Notice how there is a second sun at the right of the sun.
This is not about the lens flare.
 Quoting: Gerard


Do you order your stupidity by the case load or the pallet?

You have clouds, sundogs and a cheap digital camera, what did you expect? (or rather the originator) of course you have been desperately searching for some form of proof since the mid 90's. And you still fail!
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Notice how there is a second sun at the right of the sun.
This is not about the lens flare.


[link to www.flickr.com]

Notice how there is no second sun in the photo taken just this month. This means the "second sun" in your photo isn't really there otherwise it would show up in other photos.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Gerard will likely tell us Px plays "peek-a-boo" or it's Harry Potter "invisibility cloak" is on the fritz!
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In the field of nutrition that I work in, it seems that so many illnesses and health problems are caused by vitamin D deficiency, difficult to get from the diet other than from eggs and oily fish. Conditions such as arthritis, immunity against flu/colds, prevention of cancer, fibromyalgia, heart health, multiple sclerosis, osteoporosis, depression, the list goes on!!
With probably over half of the populations already deficient due to poor diet, too much time indoors/lack of sunlight and overuse of suncream and living too far north many scientists are calling for the recommended daily allowance (RDA) to be raised from 200iu to 2000iu with a max level being set at 10,000iu. My question is in relation to the aftertime, obviously we will be spending more time outdoors, but to what extent will the volcanic gloom prevent vitamin D production in the skin? If it does then surely chickens laying eggs will be deficient also?? Would be wise to ensure that you are at the top of the reference range (just below toxicity) just before going into the shift, or take a massive dose just before the shift, as if supplements are stored they won’t last forever. All vitamins will be hard to get in the aftertime but I am wondering if vitamin D will be particularly more difficult than any other, yet so beneficial to keep the immune system strong in the times ahead.

SOZT
Even on cloudy days, sunburn occurs. Those that can stock up on vitamins should do so, as this surely does not hurt, but being outdoors should solve the problem, even with cloud cover. Fish have Vitamin D, and fish ponds or ocean fishing has always been a recommendation of ours. Earthworms, which have 82% protein, also have Omega 3 oil, similar to fish oil. Look for alternate sources!
EOZT


I discovered that earthworms DO contain Vitamin D!!!

[link to www.wormdigest.org]

Zetas RIGHT Again!

zright
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

What a moron. The "Zetas" never said anything about earthworms having vitamin D. They simply said earthworms had protein and Omega 3 oil. Therefore:

wrong

sinking

But, that's okay Max. We know the only reason you did that was so you could bump Nancy's thread.

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Trying to keep the debunkers pathetic thread from getting too divorced from reality.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

And we're just trying to keep the bunkers pathetic thread from getting too divorced from reality...although it's probably too late for that.

BTW, your statement proves quite well that you are not a fence sitter. Why you keep claiming it is beyond us...no one buys it.
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it is not CO2, it is not the Sun, it is not some long scale geologic cycle.

CAUSE is UNKNOWN

scientists opinions diverge.

ZetaTalk offers an explanation.

OK. Tell me... exactly HOW would a distant planet cause weather changes or warming on Earth? Oh... and tell me where that alleged planet is at this time.


by disturbing Earths core with its magnetic and gravitational fields. core receives increased circulation ('roiling') putting out

1-more heat
- heating ocean floors and deep crevasses, thus warming and rising oceans.
- contributing to warming atmosphere.
- creating turmoil in ocean currents and consequently atmospheric patterns, erratic patterns, turmoil.
- making atmospheric circulation more energetic, more intense.

2-disturbed particle flows
- 'diminishing', scattering in fact, magnetism
- electromagnetic disturbances
- wildlife 'crazed', demonstrating unusual behaviours
 Quoting: andrew


Then why don't these things happen every time other planets pass close to Earth in their orbits.

the same (warming, erratic climate changes) is observed on other planets of solar system.
 Quoting: andrew


Are you sure about that? Why?

re where is PX. Pluto gets MORE warming that Earth, and Mars is too more affected. the pattern is that OUTER planets are MORE affected than inner, and Mercury has no change at all.
 Quoting: andrew


Well, PX is supposed to be near the Sun, so why would the outer planets be affected more?

this lines up with Planet X being beyond outer planets and approaching from the outer edge of Sol system.
 Quoting: andrew


No, PX is near the Sun, isn't it? That's what "Zetas" say. Are they lying?

so, it is somewhere beyond Pluto, in the direction of constellation Orion. though it is all meaningless untill it can be seen.
 Quoting: andrew


How do you "know" where it is? Isn't it near the Sun? Didn't it arrive in the Solar System in 2002? Hasn't it been photographed and sighted over and over and over again? Are "Zetas" lying about all of that?

[link to motls.blogspot.com]

[link to www.skepticalscience.com]

[* note 'Solar activity isn't increasing' title]
 Quoting: andrew


I'll try to look at those links later. No time now.
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I don't have a degree in geology nor do i have a degree in science. But what does that say?

thats simple to answer.

you can be stupid WITH <OR> WITHOUT education.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17230


i have no doubt you can.

but other people can be smart WITH OR WITHOUT education

and even [imagine that!] can be experienced WITH OR WITHOUT experience in this current incarnation.

their wisdom stems from their past experience in past lives
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this thread needs a reminder of what exactly it purpotes to disprove, the original source, so to say:

ZetaTalk LIVE Chat

Join us with your questions for an interactive discussion with Nancy and the Zetas!

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Starts 7:00 (19:00) EDT, 6:00 (18:00) CDT, 5:00 (17:00) MDT, 4:00 (16:00) PDT, etc.

Note the chat is in the Forum of GodlikeProduction, a pinned thread. There is no Chatroom at GodlikeProduction.

Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat September 26
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and that mammoths died in a Pole Shift. and it will happen again.

So did dinosaurs and many other species. None of their extinctions have been linked to a "pole shift" or some "rogue planet" that defies all laws of physics.

adjust your laws of physics according to reality first.

mammoths are really a phenomena, because they have been frozen at the very moment they lost their lives and didnt thaw ever since.

Bullshit and debunked years ago ... instant freesing is totally impossible, especially for a large body mass like a mammoth ... science has debunked this myth years ago.


but they are there - instantly frozen and fully preserved!
 Quoting: andrew


No, they weren't "instantly frozen". They fell into cold cravasses and died there. And no, they DON'T have "buttercups in their teeth".

that should say something about your 'science'!
 Quoting: andrew


It SHOULD tell you that you have your facts wrong.

yeah,
"stones cannot fall from the sky". they CAN and DO.
 Quoting: andrew


The fact that someone was wrong about something, sometime, somewhere, is a silly, meaningless argument.
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Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
this thread needs a reminder of what exactly it purpotes to disprove, the original source, so to say:

ZetaTalk LIVE Chat

Join us with your questions for an interactive discussion with Nancy and the Zetas!

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Starts 7:00 (19:00) EDT, 6:00 (18:00) CDT, 5:00 (17:00) MDT, 4:00 (16:00) PDT, etc.

Note the chat is in the Forum of GodlikeProduction, a pinned thread. There is no Chatroom at GodlikeProduction.

Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat September 26
 Quoting: andrew

Once the "discussion" is over, come back to this thread where you don't have to ask questions that support ZetaTalk. Here, you can freely ask questions about anything Nancy and the "Zetas" say without it being ignored and later deleted because the answer was too difficult or disprove ZetaTalk. Nor do we ban people for asking.

If any of us were to post a similar message on the ZetaTalk LIVE Chat thread, it would be removed and the poster banned.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 09/28/2009 10:36 AM
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yeah,
"stones cannot fall from the sky". they CAN and DO.

The fact that someone was wrong about something, sometime, somewhere, is a silly, meaningless argument.
 Quoting: Menow 405501


its not "someone", its whole Scientific community!
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its not "someone", its whole Scientific community!
 Quoting: andrew

Ah, yes, there we go again...the entire scientific community is wrong, but Andrew alone is right...all without any scientific education or experience.
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Notice how there is a second sun at the right of the sun.
This is not about the lens flare.
 Quoting: Gerard


We call that "cloud" where I live. Lit by the sun.
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As an aside:

Gerard Zwaan

Zwaan was a member of the Troubled Times team and Yahoo forums from their beginnings. He is often seen on the Yahoo group tt-watch reminding everyone when the next Zetatalk IRC chat will occurr. As moderator of #zetatalk and #troubled_times on IRC he is known by the handle "obany".

Gerard Zwaan is also an interesting aspect of the ZetaTalk phenomena, in that he was perhaps the first true believer in the words of Nancy Lieder. In fact, several personal accounts have stated Zwaan is responsible for the majority of what ZetaTalk contained upon its webpages when it debuted in 1995. From what has been told of the time from well connected sources, Zwaan peppered Lieder with a multitude of paranormal "what if" questions in private communication which resulted in the "core" of 1995 Zetatalk.com. It has also been stated from close sources that Zwaan's personal identity is very much fixated upon the "reality" that Lieder has spun under the name of her Zetas. His emotional commitment to the "cause" is near fully invested, making it perhaps impossible to do anything but ride the proverbial wave until its inevitable crash.


[link to www.skepticalmind.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 780906


Is that our Gerard this site talks about ? VERY interesting indeed. Thx for that link !
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when i read about it i always felt somethings wrong with that. ZetaTalk pointed out what exactly and how it really works. zeta theory is better than our current one.
 Quoting: andrew


"Zeta" theory about what? Please be specific.

[in fact i think about my lack of formal scientific education as a blessing in disguise - i am not brainwashed to pre-programmed thinking, i can look at things afresh]

Ah, that tells us a lot. Now we know you are poorly educated when it comes to science (NOT a surprise). Zeta theory is NOT better than ANY conventional scientific theory because Zeta science is PROVABLY BULLSHIT!

The fact that your poorly educated mind cannot understand this does NOT mean that science is wrong, it just means that YOU are DUMB!

You can carry on believing in your fake planet of doom but that won't make it real. You 'evidence' about planets warming, and 'roiling' particle flows is just BULLSHIT that Nancy has PROGRAMMED into your pathetic weak mind.

You are an empty vessel into which Nancy pours her BULLSHIT.


"The fact that your poorly educated mind cannot understand this does NOT mean that science is wrong"

yeah, "repeat it once again and you will "understand". if not - repeat it untill you do. its true, so you must understand it. everyone does"

hehe

i understand scientific guess (pardon, theory), but it doesnt mean that i accept it.

by the way, i once gave zetatalk materials to my school physics teacher and he was like "wow! very interesting! where did you get it from?! do you have more?". he is a reputable professor who spent 10 years in Africa (Burkina Faso if i remember correctly) teaching Portugeese (a government mission). he said that it offers explanations that shed a new light on dilemmas scientists struggle on, gives new perspective.
 Quoting: andrew


You have YET to argue any of the "Zeta" astronomical claims. How about "red persona"? How about "repulsion force"? Don't you know that the "Zetas" own words about the strength of the repulsion force make it IMPOSSIBLE for PX to have slowed down when approaching the Sun? Care to argue THAT one? How about "Moon abnormally rotating"? Just pick one, and we'll begin.
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this thread needs a reminder of what exactly it purpotes to disprove, the original source, so to say:

ZetaTalk LIVE Chat

Join us with your questions for an interactive discussion with Nancy and the Zetas!

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Starts 7:00 (19:00) EDT, 6:00 (18:00) CDT, 5:00 (17:00) MDT, 4:00 (16:00) PDT, etc.

Note the chat is in the Forum of GodlikeProduction, a pinned thread. There is no Chatroom at GodlikeProduction.

Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat September 26
 Quoting: andrew


If we would post spam to our thread on her thread she would immediately delete it ... typical cult-leader behaviour !
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You have YET to argue any of the "Zeta" astronomical claims. How about "red persona"? How about "repulsion force"? Don't you know that the "Zetas" own words about the strength of the repulsion force make it IMPOSSIBLE for PX to have slowed down when approaching the Sun? Care to argue THAT one? How about "Moon abnormally rotating"? Just pick one, and we'll begin.
 Quoting: Menow 405501

I love how Nancy, Gerard and the "Zetas" all say "Planet X" is near the sun....but Andrew thinks otherwise, even though he claims the "Zetas" know everything. If that's true, then when they say "Planet X" is near the sun...wouldn't that be correct since they know everything? But he says "Planet X" isn't here yet...so, in essence, he's saying the "Zetas" are wrong...or he's calling them liars. I wonder which one it is?
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The bunkers would have us think that they alone know the answers...yet NONE of them have the FIRST bit of education in the subject areas of geology, astronomy, physics, etc. Furthermore, they would have you think that the myriad of scientists worldwide who have spent their life studying, experimenting, anylyzing data, etc. are ALL wrong.

Gerard and Andrew...is that about right? Is THAT what you want us to think?
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its not "someone", its whole Scientific community!
 Quoting: andrew



So lets say you break your leg very bad, so it would need surgery to put the splintered fracture together again with metal and stuff, the way they do this today ... if you think the whole scientific cummunity is bad bogus you would have to refuse medical treatment by a doctor in a hospital because he is part of the big scientific conspiracy ... right ? If you were consequent that the whole scientific community is wrong that you would refuse treatment and live the rest of your life as a cripple without being able to walk very well ... which would of course be terrible if you would have to work on your vegetable field you would like to have as you stated earlier (which is a total fine idea, seriously, nothing wrong with that if thats what you really like).
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This thread needs no reminder of what exactly it disproves, the original source, so to say:

ZetaTalk LIVE Chat

Join us with your questions for an interactive discussion about Nancy and the Zetas!

Starts 7:00 (19:00) EDT, 6:00 (18:00) CDT, 5:00 (17:00) MDT, 4:00 (16:00) PDT, etc.

Here, you can freely ask questions about anything Nancy and the "Zetas" say without it being ignored and later deleted because the answer was too difficult or disproves ZetaTalk. Nor do we ban people for asking such questions.
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