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Heh. Somebody posts that they think the Sun is not where it belongs and I might say: "And you know this how?" They then characterize that as an "attack". Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 405501


Which is very reminiscent of FreeStore's claims about the moon being in the wrong place and yet not being able to tell anyone where it should have been. How do you know it's wrong when you don't even know where it should be?
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its not "someone", its whole Scientific community!

So because at some point in time, some "community" didn't know about asteroids, that means PX is real? You can't be serious.
 Quoting: Menow 405501


first, it is just one example of many.

it says alot about their credibility

and it exposes them for what they are -
* science is "consensus reality" [="reality is what we agreed upon it is"], which has to take into account the possibility that those who decided could be WRONG.

* science presumes to know all. out of this presumption comes its greatest blunders.

[at the same time it cannot admit that they DONT know all, because it damages its credibility in the eyes of people who want to be in charge of nature, environment and their world]
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Damn, that's hilarious. Until you realize that these people (presumably) have the right to vote and sit on juries and drive.

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Man, that IS scary!
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its not "someone", its whole Scientific community!

So because at some point in time, some "community" didn't know about asteroids, that means PX is real? You can't be serious.


first, it is just one example of many.

it says alot about their credibility

and it exposes them for what they are -
* science is "consensus reality" [="reality is what we agreed upon it is"], which has to take into account the possibility that those who decided could be WRONG.

* science presumes to know all. out of this presumption comes its greatest blunders.

[at the same time it cannot admit that they DONT know all, because it damages its credibility in the eyes of people who want to be in charge of nature, environment and their world]
 Quoting: andrew


And this from someone who admittedly has NO education in science.

What to tell us another of your fantasies?
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* science presumes to know all. out of this presumption comes its greatest blunders.

 Quoting: andrew


You apparently have never heard of the "scientific method". Let me educate you, since you have no education in this area...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses."
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it says alot about their credibility
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It says nothing about their credibility. As humans evolved and learned, theories changed. When science was wrong about something, scientists admitted it. This is something Nancy and her followers do not do...and the "Zetas" admit to lying and murder...which says a lot about their credibility.

and it exposes them for what they are -
* science is "consensus reality" [="reality is what we agreed upon it is"], which has to take into account the possibility that those who decided could be WRONG.
 Quoting: andrew

That "reality" as you call it, is based on years of study and observation. It changes as new data comes in. ZetaTalk stays the same...except for the dates of destruction. Those keep changing as each prediction fails.

* science presumes to know all. out of this presumption comes its greatest blunders.
 Quoting: andrew

But, gee, aren't you doing the same thing when you make claims about the "pole shift", ice ages and mammoths? Wasn't it you who said you didn't think...you knew? Ooops!

[at the same time it cannot admit that they DONT know all, because it damages its credibility in the eyes of people who want to be in charge of nature, environment and their world]
 Quoting: andrew

What are you talking about? Science admits it's wrong all the time as data comes in and is analyzed. Welcome to fail.

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I don't have a degree in geology nor do i have a degree in science. But what does that say?

thats simple to answer.

you can be stupid WITH <OR> WITHOUT education.


i have no doubt you can.

but other people can be smart WITH OR WITHOUT education

and even [imagine that!] can be experienced WITH OR WITHOUT experience in this current incarnation.

their wisdom stems from their past experience in past lives
 Quoting: andrew

You STILL speak about things you have no clue of.
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It's obvious that Andrew flunked a science course (big surprise there) and is still stinging from the ordeal.

Science is BAD! Only aging dowager women and their always-wrong channeled aliens can save us now.

Way to go, dude.
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its not "someone", its whole Scientific community!



So lets say you break your leg very bad, so it would need surgery to put the splintered fracture together again with metal and stuff, the way they do this today ... if you think the whole scientific cummunity is bad bogus you would have to refuse medical treatment by a doctor in a hospital because he is part of the big scientific conspiracy ... right ? If you were consequent that the whole scientific community is wrong that you would refuse treatment and live the rest of your life as a cripple without being able to walk very well ... which would of course be terrible if you would have to work on your vegetable field you would like to have as you stated earlier (which is a total fine idea, seriously, nothing wrong with that if thats what you really like).


With logic like that, it would "make sense" in your world view to stop eating altogether because someone you knew once had food poisoning.

I'd use the "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" analogy, but that example is too diluted to adequately represent the DEPTHS of YOUR STUPIDITY.


Let's put it this way...we have scientists and astronomers who have correctly predicted everything from eclipses to meteor showers to the rising and setting of the sun...and all correctly to the second. One the other hand, we have zetatalk, who Max, Gerard and Andrew would have us believe, which has NEVER ONCE gotten ANYTHING right.

Now...who is stupid?


I've never told anybody to "believe" anything!!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

I believe you cannot solve


Nancy ace will tell rueful of being historic as moon renders or receiver traces almighty popcorn trips monday night to Zetamax Mercury swing repulsions
#-------------------------------
And WHOEVER solves this, he may NOT publish the solution, but just tell he got it, and may supply a proof by coding something the same way.
158 days ZT not solved
1 debunker solvers accepted (Oldsmobile)
#-------------------------------
Hints will be provided every 25 days
Hint No. 1: The riddle CAN be solved, and you WILL know if your solution is right. (everybody doing it can be proud)
Hint No. 2: Where did the riddle appear first? (everybody doing it should be proud)
Hint No. 3: Its no chiffre. It IS decribed in encryption history - but not available on the net (everybody doing it was diligent)
Hint No. 4: The riddle is easy. (everybody doing it can think)
Hint No. 5: The riddle is stegano. (everybody doing it may cry)
Hint No. 6 : You are thinking too difficult (everybody doing it will cry)
I decided to extend the schedule for next hints. (+ 50 days) Next after 200 days.
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Good point. He says that PX is beyond Pluto, but STILL causing warming on Earth? Does he know how FAR Pluto is??

Apparently not. Jupiter and Saturn would be more likely to have an impact on Earth since they're much closer than "Planet X" and yet neither of them do.

Wasn't it Andrew who, just a few pages ago, said there are no contradictions in ZetaTalk? Wasn't it the "Zetas" who said that "Planet X" has been near the sun for the past six years? So...which is it? Is "Planet X" near the sun? Or is it out past Pluto? It it's out past Pluto, then I would say that contradicts ZetaTalk.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


it is my own assertion, not ZetaTalk.

i think that it is not yet here, but will be, EXACTLY like described by ZetaTalk - timeline within ZetaTalk is deliberately shifted into the future to warn ahead of the time, as if things that are to come are already happening. it could be considered a type of White Lie, this whole timeline issue. i repeated it number of times here and elsewhere on GLP. and you know what is my take on this quite well, so dont pretend and stop manipulating!

what contradisction? if PX is inbound to Sol system it would first be beyond Pluto, then sling past planets in reverse order: Uranus, Neptune, Saturn and so on. or do you suppose it just appear from nowhere near the Sun?
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[in fact i think about my lack of formal scientific education as a blessing in disguise - i am not brainwashed to pre-programmed thinking, i can look at things afresh]

If you had no scientific education how do you know the scientific theories well enough to reject them in favor of Nancy's?

You would need to LEARN about science if you wanted to disprove it!! Your 'opinion' of conventional science is WORTHLESS since you don't understand it!!!

Therefore, you FAIL!!!!


formal education - poof! means nothing.

its all pre-programming and "licensing" future members of academic MAFIA.

one does not need any **education** or **degree** to understand how world works. one can be self-educated, furthermore.

Maybe you would like to put your life in the hands of a self educated doctor? Not me, thanks.


self educated person has something way way more valuable than a degree, diploma or formal recognition - he has EXPERIENCE.
 Quoting: andrew

Hey Andrew, don't get me wrong. I dropped out of university and since I am a person that never stops learning, I keep pushing myself to learn. But to say that education and a degree is useless is stupid. There are some fields of study that you can't self learn because you need a learning environment that provides the resources you need to learn. I agree that just because someone has a degree doesn't mean they are any smarter than anyone else, but I do respect the discipline and hard work that goes into getting a degree, especially masters and PHD. Since my life direction didn't require the formal learning, I went my own way and have done well, but if I had the calling to be a physicist or a surgeon for example, I would have stayed at school because nobody wants a surgeon that hasn't learned properly.
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its not "someone", its whole Scientific community!

So because at some point in time, some "community" didn't know about asteroids, that means PX is real? You can't be serious.


first, it is just one example of many.

it says alot about their credibility

and it exposes them for what they are -
* science is "consensus reality" [="reality is what we agreed upon it is"], which has to take into account the possibility that those who decided could be WRONG.

* science presumes to know all. out of this presumption comes its greatest blunders.

[at the same time it cannot admit that they DONT know all, because it damages its credibility in the eyes of people who want to be in charge of nature, environment and their world]
 Quoting: andrew

Even that is BULLSHIT.

you havent even understood how Science works and what she believes.
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I brought this up on Nancy's thread last week. I've been asking you to discuss it, but you keep skipping over it. Why?

Was just looking for the date at which "Zetas" claim Earth is halted, but found this instead:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

"Because NASA also has a dilemma in the Earth’s dark twin rounding the bend and coming up behind it in the orbit path they share. This will become visible soon, if not already, and will come close to the Earth before other dramas intervene."


Hmm... Nancy has been claiming that the "Dark Twin" cannot be seen. Hmm... Who is lying, Nancy or "Zetas"? Hmm...

Any of you believers dare to ask about this gaffe?


I note that ws written FIVE and A HALF YEARS AGO...wonder what's become of Nancy's imaginary "Dark Twin" that was supposed to smash us in the ass years ago?
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Dark Twin was never supposed to crash with Earth, nor could it - planets of large size, of approximately the same size and large cannot simply collide - Repulsion Force would prevent this.
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yes, the whole scientific community was wrong in XIX century about meteorites and coined their ignorance in a statement that "stones cannot fall from the sky".

But, we're not talking about the XIX century now are we? Gee, wasn't it you that claimed "debunkers" were guilty of spinning?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


how and why should this be any different in XX cen?
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then sling past planets in reverse order: Uranus, Neptune, Saturn and so on. or do you suppose it just appear from nowhere near the Sun?
 Quoting: andrew


The order is:

Pluto: 5.913.520.000 km distance
Neptun: 4.504.000.000 km
Uranus: 2.870.990.000 km
Saturn: 1.429.400.000 km

NOT: Uranus, Neptune, Saturn

Zetard shows again he knows nothing and is not even able to google it so does at least not make a total fool out of himself ... AGAIN.
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I brought this up on Nancy's thread last week. I've been asking you to discuss it, but you keep skipping over it. Why?

Was just looking for the date at which "Zetas" claim Earth is halted, but found this instead:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

"Because NASA also has a dilemma in the Earth’s dark twin rounding the bend and coming up behind it in the orbit path they share. This will become visible soon, if not already, and will come close to the Earth before other dramas intervene."


Hmm... Nancy has been claiming that the "Dark Twin" cannot be seen. Hmm... Who is lying, Nancy or "Zetas"? Hmm...

Any of you believers dare to ask about this gaffe?


I note that ws written FIVE and A HALF YEARS AGO...wonder what's become of Nancy's imaginary "Dark Twin" that was supposed to smash us in the ass years ago?


Dark Twin was never supposed to crash with Earth, nor could it - planets of large size, of approximately the same size and large cannot simply collide - Repulsion Force would prevent this.
 Quoting: andrew

repulsion forces..... heavens sake!
stupidness has no limits.

Thats the illness you share with Nancy - no education and the belief, that guessing can replace it.
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So, according to Andrew, PX occupies a position that is both 'near Pluto' and 'near the Sun.'

Wow, that's admirable mental flexibility. I imagine that plays well in other areas of life, too, allowing one to be 'unemployed and destitute' while remaining 'wealthy and awash in luxury.'

I'll give Andrew the benefit of the doubt and imagine he's claiming that PX was out close to the Oort Cloud a while ago (where 'a while ago' is a ZT term which can mean anything it needs to mean) but that is has bobbled, wobbled, and possibly careened to a point near the Sun, while of course not being observed by anyone anywhere.

Sure. Maybe the Magic Fairies drove it there.

But it 'heated the Earth' at some point?

LOL, now how did it do this? Does it emit Magical Heat Rays which can ponly be felt by certain dumpy old women through the roof of their condo?
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i think that it is not yet here, but will be, EXACTLY like described by ZetaTalk
 Quoting: andrew

How can it be EXACTLY like when ZetaTalk when ZetaTalk says its already here? You can't have it both ways.

- timeline within ZetaTalk is deliberately shifted into the future to warn ahead of the time, as if things that are to come are already happening.
 Quoting: andrew

Have you ever asked Nancy about that? I bet she and the "Zetas" would disagree with you.

so dont pretend and stop manipulating!
 Quoting: andrew

You're the one manipulating. You're changing ZetaTalk to fit your own beliefs on what will or is going to happen.

what contradisction? if PX is inbound to Sol system it would first be beyond Pluto, then sling past planets in reverse order: Uranus, Neptune, Saturn and so on. or do you suppose it just appear from nowhere near the Sun?
 Quoting: andrew

Except that the "Zetas" have been saying for six years that "Planet X" is already here.
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yes, the whole scientific community was wrong in XIX century about meteorites and coined their ignorance in a statement that "stones cannot fall from the sky".

But, we're not talking about the XIX century now are we? Gee, wasn't it you that claimed "debunkers" were guilty of spinning?


how and why should this be any different in XX cen?
 Quoting: andrew

You have not even a clue how much knowledge you DONT have.
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Dark Twin was never supposed to crash with Earth, nor could it - planets of large size, of approximately the same size and large cannot simply collide - Repulsion Force would prevent this.
 Quoting: andrew

That's not what Nancy and the "Zetas" said. You contradict them again.


The gravitational force exists first. It is the static condition. The repulsion phenomena only manifests when, as we said, the objects are of equal size, are free to move, and dominate the immediate environment. Where the repulsion force comes to equal the force of gravity by the time the objects in play would make contact, it builds at a rate that differs from gravity.

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i think that it is not yet here, but will be, EXACTLY like described by ZetaTalk

How can it be EXACTLY like when ZetaTalk when ZetaTalk says its already here? You can't have it both ways.


- timeline within ZetaTalk is deliberately shifted into the future to warn ahead of the time, as if things that are to come are already happening.

Have you ever asked Nancy about that? I bet she and the "Zetas" would disagree with you.


so dont pretend and stop manipulating!

You're the one manipulating. You're changing ZetaTalk to fit your own beliefs on what will or is going to happen.


what contradisction? if PX is inbound to Sol system it would first be beyond Pluto, then sling past planets in reverse order: Uranus, Neptune, Saturn and so on. or do you suppose it just appear from nowhere near the Sun?

Except that the "Zetas" have been saying for six years that "Planet X" is already here.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

andrew calls zetas wrong!
heavens sake!

is there any hope in sight?
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yes, the whole scientific community was wrong in XIX century about meteorites and coined their ignorance in a statement that "stones cannot fall from the sky".

But, we're not talking about the XIX century now are we? Gee, wasn't it you that claimed "debunkers" were guilty of spinning?


how and why should this be any different in XX cen?
 Quoting: andrew

and: you dont even know how much you DONT KNOW about Zetatalk....
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Andrew stated, without apparent guilt:

"...planets of large size, of approximately the same size and large cannot simply collide - Repulsion Force would prevent this."

Winner of the Most Profoundly Stupid Post on the Entire Internet for This Day.

Gravity, Andrew baby. Look it up. Repulsion Force? <cue laughter>
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Repulsion Force would prevent this.
 Quoting: andrew


You are talking about that bogus:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Total crap ... go and show that your praised physics teacher ... if you want him to commit suicide because of the stupidity he just witnessed.
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* science presumes to know all. out of this presumption comes its greatest blunders.

You apparently have never heard of the "scientific method". Let me educate you, since you have no education in this area...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Scientific method refers to a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry must be based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] A scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 719433


and from another

and it exposes them for what they are -
* science is "consensus reality" [="reality is what we agreed upon it is"], which has to take into account the possibility that those who decided could be WRONG.

That "reality" as you call it, is based on years of study and observation.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


it SHOULD have been so, ideally, but in reality it is far from there.

thats exactly the point - in our times science once again presumed that it knows all, discovered all, like "yes! finally we know, we understand how it all works! at last!"

with this in mind it went down to putting scientific dogma first, and checking facts against it.

while it should be putting theory first and looking for facts to prove or disprove it, and observing facts and understanding them and creating theories about how things in general work, on a large scale
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thats exactly the point - in our times science once again presumed that it knows all, discovered all, like "yes! finally we know, we understand how it all works! at last!"

with this in mind it went down to putting scientific dogma first, and checking facts against it.

while it should be putting theory first and looking for facts to prove or disprove it, and observing facts and understanding them and creating theories about how things in general work, on a large scale
 Quoting: andrew

But aren't you guilty of the same thing when making claims about the "pole shift"? You said just a few pages back that you don't think...you know. Ooops!
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So Andrew, you know how science works, and how all scientists work, do you?

So you have professional experience in a field of scientific inquiry?
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from Gerard's forum:

"The other reason I think I was banned is I told the truth: how I found out I am a sixth density wanderer, that I am a lifetime Zeta contactee, that I know which two movie stars are on my team (don't know exactly what we are going to do and I will not name them) and how I basically became enlightened (I am awake). I am also pro-Obama and that is a big NO-NO on GLP now."
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LOL

"I have always been cooperative with the Zeta (kind of have to be when you are in the hybrid program, but those days are past for me now) and their impulses are very, very effective."
 Quoting: Very stupid person


LOL

"Sometimes I wish I had not volunteered to incarnate on earth, it is very hard to come back to third density from the sixth, but as the Zeta recently stated, this is considered the highest form of service."
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LOL

I think I have had a brain implant most of my life, but this year new things appeared. The Zeta almost always come on the same night, and I usually know they are coming, wear sufficient clothes to bed, and go to bed early as we are gone for about 3 hours at a time and I have to go to work the next day. (The dogs are frozen; the cats just watch, I think.)
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LOL ... heard Zetas implant icepicks in the forehead these days.

Also, please remember that I have good reasons to believe I really am a sixth density Wanderer and close to graduating to seventh. There is a HUGE difference between the fourth density Zeta and myself. I love and trust them, but think about how many more lives and experience I have had than they. They are doing service on earth now and so are 1 billion Star Children.
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These people really are totally insane.
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Andrew stated, without apparent guilt:

"...planets of large size, of approximately the same size and large cannot simply collide - Repulsion Force would prevent this."

Winner of the Most Profoundly Stupid Post on the Entire Internet for This Day.

Gravity, Andrew baby. Look it up. Repulsion Force? <cue laughter>
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DECONSTRUCTING THE [BIG] BANG

WHAT BANGED? [Answer - GRAVITATIONAL REPULSION FORCE]

A common misconception is that the big bang provides a theory of cosmic origins. It doesn't. The big bang is a theory, partly described in the last two chapters, that deliniates cosmic evolution from a split second after whatever happened to bring the universe into existence, but it says nothing at all about zero time itself. And since, according to the big bang theory, the bang is what is supposed to have happened at the beginning, the big bang leaves out the bang. It tells us nothing about banged, why it banged, how it banged, or, frankly, whether it ever really banged at all. In fact if you think about it for a moment, you’ll realize that the big bang presents us with quite a puzzle. At the huge densities of matter and energy characteristic of the universe’s earliest moments, gravity was by far the dominant force. But gravity is an attractive force. It impels things to come together. So what could possibly be responsible for the outward force that drove space to expand? It would seem that some kind of powerful repulsive force must have played a critical role at the time of the bang, but which of nature’s forces could that possibly be?

For many decades this most basic of all cosmological questions went unanswered. Then, in the 1980s, an old observation of Einstein’s was resurrected in a sparkling new form, giving rise to what has become known as inflationary cosmology. And with this discovery, credit for the bang could finally be bestowed on the deserving force: gravity. It’s surprising, but physicists realized that in just the right environment gravity can be repulsive …

Brian R. Greene, The Fabric of the Cosmos: Space, Time, and the Texture of Reality,
Vintage Books – A division of Random House, Inc., New York, 2004, pgs. 272-273.

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ZetaTalk: Repulsion Force
Note: written on Sep 15, 1995.

Scientists are acutely aware of the attraction force inherent in gravity, as are folks in general. The babe learns about this early, while taking his first few steps. Oops. Ouch! It is assumed that gravity has only an attractive force, and that the planets, in orbit around the Sun, are held in place by their momentum. Does this make sense? What caused the momentum in the first place? Children play with a ball on the end of a string, swinging it around and around their head. As long as the arm is tugging, the ball maintains its orbit, else stops. Why would the planets not drift into the Sun? Are the orbits all that swift so that centrifugal force is extreme?
The reason Mankind is Unaware of a repulsive force, also inherent in gravity, is that for this to become evident there must be a semblance of equality in size and weight, i.e. the mass of the objects, and freedom of movement such as exists in space, and lack of undue influence from other nearby objects. Objects on the surface of the Earth have none of these. They are infinitesimal in proportion to the Earth itself, and thus any repulsion the Earth may have toward a tiny speck on its surface is also infinitesimal. Proportionally, its all gravity, a one way trip. The object on the surface, pushing away, is overwhelmed by the Earth's gravitational pull, the attraction. The repulsion force is generated as a result of two bodies exerting a gravitational force on each other. In the case of a tiny object on the surface of the Earth, its gravitational pull on the Earth is scarcely noticed by the Earth. A gnat or mite. A nothing. Where the repulsion force has not been invoked within the Earth by any objects placed on the surface of the Earth, this is in play between the Earth and her Moon. The repulsion force is invoked between objects on the surface of the Earth, incessantly, but this is masked by the intense force of gravity the Earth presents and other factors such as surface tension or friction or chemical bonding so that the repulsion force cannot be recognized.
The gravitational force exists first. It is the static condition. The repulsion phenomena only manifests when, as we said, the objects are of equal size, are free to move, and dominate the immediate environment. Where the repulsion force comes to equal the force of gravity by the time the objects in play would make contact, it builds at a rate that differs from gravity. Humans have calculated the force of gravity, which at first they assumed was equal for all objects but lately have come to understand is stronger for larger objects. They have formulas for the force of gravity which have proved accurate on the face of their home planet. These formulas are incomplete, and would not work as expected elsewhere, however. The repulsion force is infinitesimally smaller than the force of gravity, but has a sharper curve so that it equals the force of gravity at the point of contact. For experimental purposes, one would have to be almost at the point of contact for it to come into play at all, and this in an environment where other factors are eliminated or negated. To examine the phenomena, Earth scientists would have to set up a lab in space, far enough away from any planetary body so that free movement is possible. Place two balls in a cage. Put one in motion toward another. Microscopically examine the interchange. They do not touch. They do not bounce off one another. They do not touch.

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