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what contradisction?

 Quoting: andrew


Here you go, Andrew. Let's start with this one:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

"Where the repulsion force comes to equal the force of gravity by the time the objects in play would make contact, it builds at a rate that differs from gravity."

"The repulsion force is infinitesimally smaller than the force of gravity, but has a sharper curve so that it equals the force of gravity at the point of contact."


OK... Now what made(makes) PX slow down as it approaches the Sun?
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Andrew stated, without apparent guilt:

"...planets of large size, of approximately the same size and large cannot simply collide - Repulsion Force would prevent this."

Winner of the Most Profoundly Stupid Post on the Entire Internet for This Day.

Gravity, Andrew baby. Look it up. Repulsion Force? <cue laughter>
 Quoting: Returner 997


Repilsion Force - [link to www.zetatalk.com]

Science section - [link to www.zetatalk.com]

hf
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I brought this up on Nancy's thread last week. I've been asking you to discuss it, but you keep skipping over it. Why?

Was just looking for the date at which "Zetas" claim Earth is halted, but found this instead:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

"Because NASA also has a dilemma in the Earth’s dark twin rounding the bend and coming up behind it in the orbit path they share. This will become visible soon, if not already, and will come close to the Earth before other dramas intervene."


Hmm... Nancy has been claiming that the "Dark Twin" cannot be seen. Hmm... Who is lying, Nancy or "Zetas"? Hmm...

Any of you believers dare to ask about this gaffe?


I note that ws written FIVE and A HALF YEARS AGO...wonder what's become of Nancy's imaginary "Dark Twin" that was supposed to smash us in the ass years ago?


Dark Twin was never supposed to crash with Earth, nor could it - planets of large size, of approximately the same size and large cannot simply collide - Repulsion Force would prevent this.
 Quoting: andrew


Really? How?

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

"Where the repulsion force comes to equal the force of gravity by the time the objects in play would make contact, it builds at a rate that differs from gravity."

"The repulsion force is infinitesimally smaller than the force of gravity, but has a sharper curve so that it equals the force of gravity at the point of contact."
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And from those two statements, whay can't to planets hit together?
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Andrew stated, without apparent guilt:

"...planets of large size, of approximately the same size and large cannot simply collide - Repulsion Force would prevent this."

Winner of the Most Profoundly Stupid Post on the Entire Internet for This Day.

Gravity, Andrew baby. Look it up. Repulsion Force? <cue laughter>


Repilsion Force - [link to www.zetatalk.com]

Science section - [link to www.zetatalk.com]

hf
 Quoting: andrew


Why would anyone always post references to pure bullshit?
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thats exactly the point - in our times science once again presumed that it knows all, discovered all, like "yes! finally we know, we understand how it all works! at last!"

with this in mind it went down to putting scientific dogma first, and checking facts against it.

while it should be putting theory first and looking for facts to prove or disprove it, and observing facts and understanding them and creating theories about how things in general work, on a large scale

But aren't you guilty of the same thing when making claims about the "pole shift"? You said just a few pages back that you don't think...you know. Ooops!
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


ZetaTalk is something like a revelation from those who know better - and it is up to we, humans, make it a theory and try to prove / disprove it
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You're right, quantum physics is on the way to explain a lot of phenomenas we cannot explain yet. But they wont come to the conclusion we unworthy debunkers will all be reborn as Octopus on a distant waterworld ... UFOs might be real, I never said this is not possible ... but Nancys claims are no reality, she can't prove nothing as even a blind can see.
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that will take them one more century!

1rof1
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ZetaTalk is something like a revelation from those who know better - and it is up to we, humans, make it a theory and try to prove / disprove it
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Please explain...how does ZT 'Know better" when they've been wrong EVERY SINGLE TIME THEY'VE EVER PREDICTED ANYTHING?
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Zetas RIGHT Again !


[link to www.redorbit.com]

Zetas wrong ... again and again and again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 781477


Zetas RIGHT Again!

simply face it! cool2
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Zetas RIGHT Again !


[link to www.redorbit.com]

Zetas wrong ... again and again and again.


Zetas RIGHT Again!

simply face it! cool2
 Quoting: andrew


NO. SHOW US. NAME ONE single right astronomical claim or prediction. Just one. You can't even do that, can you?
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i think that it is not yet here, but will be, EXACTLY like described by ZetaTalk

How can it be EXACTLY like when ZetaTalk when ZetaTalk says its already here? You can't have it both ways.


it could be a white lie, a ploy.

everything except last weeks signs happened exactly like ZetaTalk predicted
 Quoting: andrew


Heh. How about the 2-3 years of drought going into the 2003 poleshift? Nancy and "Zetas" claimed that ALL of the precursor events came true EXACTLY on time for the 2003 poleshift, including OBVIOUSLY slowing rotation. Did they, really?
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My guess is that the so-called 'Repulsive Force' works like this:

1) Nancy says something (else) which is monumentally stupid.
2) The only way to explain away her statement is to invent some ludicrous natural force.
3) Invoke Replusive Gravity, which allows objects to attract or repulse, depending on whatever it was that Nutjob Nancy last muttered.


Isn't PseudoScience wonderful?
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Andrew...you can cry and whine all you want, but until you can demonstrate even one single astronomical claim from all of ZT that has been right, then you're simply lying. And it's plain as day for everyone to see. You say Nancy and the imaginary "zetas" are right, but you can't say about what.
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Dark Twin was never supposed to crash with Earth, nor could it - planets of large size, of approximately the same size and large cannot simply collide - Repulsion Force would prevent this.

That's not what Nancy and the "Zetas" said. You contradict them again.


The gravitational force exists first. It is the static condition. The repulsion phenomena only manifests when, as we said, the objects are of equal size, are free to move, and dominate the immediate environment. Where the repulsion force comes to equal the force of gravity by the time the objects in play would make contact, it builds at a rate that differs from gravity.


WOULD
 Quoting: andrew


Yes. And...?

I am currently asking you abut this contradiction. Please continue.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

"Where the repulsion force comes to equal the force of gravity by the time the objects in play would make contact, it builds at a rate that differs from gravity."

"The repulsion force is infinitesimally smaller than the force of gravity, but has a sharper curve so that it equals the force of gravity at the point of contact."
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I'm ROTFLMAO!!!!
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because there is no contradiction: if it was to arrive it would first be beyond Pluto, then sling past planets - from outer to inner coming close to the Sun and Earth.


Well ... why does Nancy then promote vids with the "second sun" as legit ... is it visible NOW or what ... or is it just timeline shift and the vids somehow present the future ... would you please make up your mind finally and say if it's near the sun already or not ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 781477


i would say it is doubtful, though not totally bullshit.

although i want proof in the skies [not on photoes or videos] seen by all and regularly, talks about it in discussion groups and in the evening news, on workplaces and in schools, as it should be if it was there.

i leave open an option that i may be wrong re this. [= it may be valid and visible now]

* it should be noted that i fully acknowledge that the type of proof i want (prrof in the skies) per the Zetas will be possible only in the last weeks, and we are obviously NOT in the last weesk now.
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Andrew,

I would just like to say maintain your position. At least you are thinking the world is not what everyone has told us it was . . . of that I am also certain.
 Quoting: George B


sure i will,

thanks! hf
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Andrew,

I would just like to say maintain your position. At least you are thinking the world is not what everyone has told us it was . . . of that I am also certain.


So you also believe we unworthy non believers of the Zetas will be reborn as Octopus ?

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Well Andrew ... at least you will habe company in the loony bin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 781477


YOU probably yes, i can tell you are spiritually immature

other debunkers will probably end on agent provocateurs as ruthless lizard underlings

[WTF? who edited my post is it possible?]

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Dark Twin was never supposed to crash with Earth,

That's not what Nancy said.
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link?

where did Nancy say Dark Twin will collide with Earth?

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because there is no contradiction: if it was to arrive it would first be beyond Pluto, then sling past planets - from outer to inner coming close to the Sun and Earth.


Well ... why does Nancy then promote vids with the "second sun" as legit ... is it visible NOW or what ... or is it just timeline shift and the vids somehow present the future ... would you please make up your mind finally and say if it's near the sun already or not ???


i would say it is doubtful, though not totally bullshit.

although i want proof in the skies [not on photoes or videos] seen by all and regularly, talks about it in discussion groups and in the evening news, on workplaces and in schools, as it should be if it was there.

i leave open an option that i may be wrong re this. [= it may be valid and visible now]

* it should be noted that i fully acknowledge that the type of proof i want (prrof in the skies) per the Zetas will be possible only in the last weeks, and we are obviously NOT in the last weesk now.
 Quoting: andrew


"Zetas" have claimed PX visibility for some 6 years now. Are they lying? Nancy attacks anyone who says PX has not been visible. Is she daft?
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The presence of a mass the size of the alleged PX would affect the bodies of the Solar system in ways that would have been unmistakable *YEARS* ago.

Really. If it existed at all, if it was anywhere in the confines of the Solar System, we'd know about it. Hell, I'd know about it, even me and my piss-ant 8 inch scopes.

But I don't. No one does. And why is this?

Because it isn't there, and it never was.

It certainly isn't playing some silly game of hide-n-seek among the planets, or peeking out from behind the Sun.

The Earth isn't halted. Oh, and please go and calculate the amount of kinetic energy required to actually halt the Earth. Then explain to me where that energy came from, and how the 'halting' wouldn't result in the unavoidable loss of all life on the planet.

Oh wait that involves actual math and PXers don't do math....
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by the way,

i think new major frontiers for fundamental science will be:

1. research into so called "paranormal phenomena" [telepathy, levitation, etc] and finding particle flows that conduct it.

2. aknowledgment of the Alien Presence fact (including Paleocontact and Government Conspiracy).

3. research into reality of human spirit, reincarnation.

these are the most general directions, of course

as a part of this New Science and its new paradigm will be acceptance of one more way of knowledge - intuitive, introspection,subjective theorising.

New Science will be forced to rediscover the subject, the researcher himself and spiritual realms. science of the future is psychology, it will be leading direction.



All this BS from someone without the slightest hint of science education.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 719433


dont need education to be perceptive and intuitive

you too, by the way
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Science NEVER claims to "know all".
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but acts accordingly. ALWAYS
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Did Science run over your dog, Andrew?
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I don't expect to know the future of anyone. However, I can sense that the world is going to change in extreme and difficult ways. What many, many people are saying and feeling is urgency. What the media is expressing is the same thing. Andrew is accepting concepts that are logical and consistent to him. He has the courage to express his position and I like his strength.
 Quoting: George B


People in the medivial times had the same feeling ... many had it befor year 2000 .... somehow every generation feels the end of time is near.
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Dark Twin was never supposed to crash with Earth,

That's not what Nancy said.


link?

where did Nancy say Dark Twin will collide with Earth?
 Quoting: andrew


"Zetas" said something like that it would "cause a crisis", not that it would "crash". It didn't do either one. Can we move on?
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And from those two statements, whay can't to planets hit together?
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there it is - Chances of Collision

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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Science NEVER claims to "know all".


but acts accordingly. ALWAYS
 Quoting: andrew


That's just stupid. If it were so, there would be ZERO research going on in ANY field, including astronomy.
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And from those two statements, whay can't to planets hit together?


there it is - Chances of Collision

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
 Quoting: andrew


That contradicts the other two statements! How many ways can Nancy contradict herself!
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Heh. How about the 2-3 years of drought going into the 2003 poleshift? Nancy and "Zetas" claimed that ALL of the precursor events came true EXACTLY on time for the 2003 poleshift, including OBVIOUSLY slowing rotation. Did they, really?
 Quoting: Menow 405501


NOW. it is NOW.

am not sure of exact number of years, what year exactly to consider a start, but we are DEFINITELY into what was described as drought and crop failure and food shortages in the years before Pole Shift.

in other place ZT said 7 years of tribulation, including those 3 yrs

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