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So, Gerard, do you still believe that PX was imaged incoming at Nancy's coords in 2002?
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I would by lying to myself if i said no. So yes, i believe it was imaged.
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Obviously, I stuck the tiger with a sharp stick and it has pounced on the hapless prey with joy, delight and ravenous hunger to dispatch. Congratulations! As I said I was not conversant with Astronomy, Physics or Orbital Mechanics. So instruction not castration is in order. That is why Nancy sounds credible . . . she comments in areas where most people are not experts and where she can communicate her philosophy without contradiction . . . tactics used by many world class politicians, economists and scientists.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The barycenter (or barycentre; from the Greek is the point between two objects where they balance each other. For example, it is the center of mass where two or more celestial bodies orbit each other. When a moon orbits a planet, or a planet orbits a star, both bodies are actually orbiting around a point that lies outside the center of the primary (the larger body). For example, the moon does not orbit the exact center of the Earth, but a point on a line between the Earth and the Moon approximately 1710 km below the surface of the Earth, where their respective masses balance. This is the point about which the Earth and Moon orbit as they travel around the Sun.

The barycenter is one of the foci of the elliptical orbit of each body. This is an important concept in the fields of astronomy, astrophysics, and the like (see two-body problem).


So what does this have to do with tilting the Earth . . . ?

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Very eyeopening website ... has some very interesting anfo on Gerard and others:

[link to www.skepticalmind.com]
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Very eyeopening website ... has some very interesting anfo on Gerard and others:

[link to www.skepticalmind.com]
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Wich is info from several years ago.
So how do you know that all of the information is still valid?
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Very eyeopening website ... has some very interesting anfo on Gerard and others:

[link to www.skepticalmind.com]


Wich is info from several years ago.
So how do you know that all of the information is still valid?
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It cant be less valid than Nancys claims from 1995 up to now.
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You have to wait to know whether Earth is halted in orbit or not??

Interesting Question . . . I am not an expert in orbital mechanics, astronomy or physics . . . however, I have read many of the excerpts from ZetaTalk and they always seem to lower or raise the Earth above or below the ecliptic and have technology to tilt the earth this way and that to simulate proper position of the constellations and seasons, etc. What do I know? Seems impossible to me . . . but you have to admit they come up with some of the most amusing explanations for our inability to debunk Nancy's insistence that the Earth is stalled in its orbit of the Sun.


If you tilt the Earth, how can the North Star still be at the center of rotation of the skies? How are SUNDIALS still working?
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If I remember correctly . . . Zetas indicated . . . If you combine the effects of the tilt with moving the earth below or above the elliptic . . . this was explained to neutralize or limit the distortion or position of Polaris.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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If I remember correctly . . . Zetas indicated . . . If you combine the effects of the tilt with moving the earth below or above the elliptic . . . this was explained to neutralize or limit the distortion or position of Polaris.
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another do
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It might be . . . only time will tell. Quantum Physics, String Theory, etc. may also be Science Fiction.


Except there is math to back up those theories. Do you not
understand what theory means in science? It's one of the
highest forms of proof there is. Theories are based on facts,
not the other way around like Zetatalk does - looking for
fact to fit her claims.




Their prediction of a MAJOR New Madrid Fault displacement and major destruction and disruption is very interesting.


Yet I happen to live here, and know quite a good deal about
that fault zone and the research done on it. We're due for
a 6.0 in the near future and depending on where it happens
(Nancy seems to have no clue how the fault zone actually
works) it could be bad or it could be minor. Nothing like
Nancy claims will happen COULD happen.




Anyone who has any thoughts that Zeta Talk may be correct only need to wait and see . . . Note: This must all occur before 2012 as well!!!


Some of us have seen enough and need not wait. It's funny
that folks like me were told to wait until May 2003 as well.




You have to wait to know whether Earth is halted in orbit or not??


Nancy's supporters really hate that question and that topic.

They avoid it like the plague because they know all the
questions that will get asked that come with that claim.




Interesting Question . . . I am not an expert in orbital mechanics, astronomy or physics . . . however, I have read many of the excerpts from ZetaTalk and they always seem to lower or raise the Earth above or below the ecliptic and have technology to tilt the earth this way and that to simulate proper position of the constellations and seasons, etc. What do I know? Seems impossible to me . . . but you have to admit they come up with some of the most amusing explanations for our inability to debunk Nancy's insistence that the Earth is stalled in its orbit of the Sun.


Please do explain how you can tilt a planet enough to see
constellations on the OTHER side of the Sun.

Please explain how you can tilt a planet enough to cause
Mars to continue it's retrograde motion every year.

Please do explain how the Moon/Earth barycenter was not
effected by this halt.

Please do tell us how Polaris stays where it is with only
the usual tiny motions through the night while the Earth
is being tilted enough to see the constellations on the
other side of the Sun.

Please tell us what sort of mindset so easily accepts these
claims without asking at least a few of those questions.
 Quoting: DrPostman



You have asked rapid fire questions . . . I think Zetas have offered explanations for the position of Polaris however I don't know what you are referring to regarding constellations on the other side of the Sun and about the retrograde movement of Mars?
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All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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Very eyeopening website ... has some very interesting anfo on Gerard and others:

[link to www.skepticalmind.com]


Wich is info from several years ago.
So how do you know that all of the information is still valid?
 Quoting: Gerard



So, what parts relating to you are, in your opinion, invalid?
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So, Gerard, do you still believe that PX was imaged incoming at Nancy's coords in 2002?


I would by lying to myself if i said no. So yes, i believe it was imaged.
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Well, I wanted an honest answer. That brings us back to this after all this time: Do you think there is no such thing as noise in CCD images?
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Very eyeopening website ... has some very interesting anfo on Gerard and others:

[link to www.skepticalmind.com]


Wich is info from several years ago.
So how do you know that all of the information is still valid?
 Quoting: Gerard


Didn't even look, but pick one.
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You have to wait to know whether Earth is halted in orbit or not??

Interesting Question . . . I am not an expert in orbital mechanics, astronomy or physics . . . however, I have read many of the excerpts from ZetaTalk and they always seem to lower or raise the Earth above or below the ecliptic and have technology to tilt the earth this way and that to simulate proper position of the constellations and seasons, etc. What do I know? Seems impossible to me . . . but you have to admit they come up with some of the most amusing explanations for our inability to debunk Nancy's insistence that the Earth is stalled in its orbit of the Sun.


If you tilt the Earth, how can the North Star still be at the center of rotation of the skies? How are SUNDIALS still working?


If I remember correctly . . . Zetas indicated . . . If you combine the effects of the tilt with moving the earth below or above the elliptic . . . this was explained to neutralize or limit the distortion or position of Polaris.
 Quoting: George B


Yes, "Zetas" trot out LOTS of bullshit "explanations" like that. Simply isn't true. If you tilt the Earth, Polaris is no longer the north star. It wouldn't matter if Earth was above or below the ecliptic. Acually, that is NOT the excuse Nancy gives about the position of Polaris. One- she tries not to address the issue at all... two- she trots out some anecdotal stories from anonymous people who don't know how to observe the sky who say Polaris is out of place... third- the amount they say it is out of place is nowhere NEAR the amount which would be the case if Earth was tilted enough to create summer when it should be winter.

I have asked her, many times HOW MANY DEGREES Earth is being artificially tilted. She has yet to answer.
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I would by lying to myself if i said no. So yes, i believe it was imaged.
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Too bad for you, and Nancy, that her very own imaging expert has come forward to say that it wasn't.
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If I remember correctly . . . Zetas indicated . . . If you combine the effects of the tilt with moving the earth below or above the elliptic . . . this was explained to neutralize or limit the distortion or position of Polaris.
 Quoting: George B

But then other constellations would be out of place. And no amount of tilting or bobbing would make constellations behind the sun visible. Only our continued orbit around the sun would make that possible. Here's a simple illustration:

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Holy crap! I had a package of plain M&M candies on my desk, and I opened it just now, and *one of the candies lacks the characteristic imprint of the M.*

Can I please attribute this to intervention by a group of advanced extraterrestrials and start my own mail-order cult?

Are there forms I need to fill out?

Oh and Max, do you need another cause to promote? I'll probably offer dental and maybe some profit-sharing...
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Whoa dude, you are the chosen one. Can I be your first faithful follower? I mean, and M&M without the M, that just has to be a revelation from some superior being. I can start a fan club and even if your information is not credible, I promise to spin all criticism to support you. Hail, o great Returner!
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You have to wait to know whether Earth is halted in orbit or not??

Interesting Question . . . I am not an expert in orbital mechanics, astronomy or physics . . . however, I have read many of the excerpts from ZetaTalk and they always seem to lower or raise the Earth above or below the ecliptic and have technology to tilt the earth this way and that to simulate proper position of the constellations and seasons, etc. What do I know? Seems impossible to me . . . but you have to admit they come up with some of the most amusing explanations for our inability to debunk Nancy's insistence that the Earth is stalled in its orbit of the Sun.


If you tilt the Earth, how can the North Star still be at the center of rotation of the skies? How are SUNDIALS still working?


If I remember correctly . . . Zetas indicated . . . If you combine the effects of the tilt with moving the earth below or above the elliptic . . . this was explained to neutralize or limit the distortion or position of Polaris.


Yes, "Zetas" trot out LOTS of bullshit "explanations" like that. Simply isn't true. If you tilt the Earth, Polaris is no longer the north star. It wouldn't matter if Earth was above or below the ecliptic. Acually, that is NOT the excuse Nancy gives about the position of Polaris. One- she tries not to address the issue at all... two- she trots out some anecdotal stories from anonymous people who don't know how to observe the sky who say Polaris is out of place... third- the amount they say it is out of place is nowhere NEAR the amount which would be the case if Earth was tilted enough to create summer when it should be winter.

I have asked her, many times HOW MANY DEGREES Earth is being artificially tilted. She has yet to answer.
 Quoting: Menow 405501


Thanks! In essence she uses the 'Fog of War' to limit clear and accurate answers. Seems like a good tactic, you have someone respond with a plausible yet inaccurate response to someone who does not have a solid grasp of the technical issues and they buy the answer. You have to remember most people have no idea where the stars should be or would be at anytime of the year.

Last Edited by George B on 09/28/2009 07:55 PM
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Thanks! In essence she uses the 'Fog of War' to limit clear and accurate answers. Seems like a good tactic, you have someone respond with a plausible yet inaccurate response to someone who does not have a solid grasp of the technical issues and they buy the answer.
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EXACTLY!
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Thanks! In essence she uses the 'Fog of War' to limit clear and accurate answers. Seems like a good tactic, you have someone respond with a plausible yet inaccurate response to someone who does not have a solid grasp of the technical issues and they buy the answer.


EXACTLY!
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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Funny, Max. We haven't seen any photos of you!

:maxface:

Or is it because you're really

zmax

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Funny, Max. We haven't seen any photos of you!

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Or is it because you're really

zmax
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JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST!!!! He is even uglier in real life than his cartoon avatar!
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You have to wait to know whether Earth is halted in orbit or not??

Interesting Question . . . I am not an expert in orbital mechanics, astronomy or physics . . . however, I have read many of the excerpts from ZetaTalk and they always seem to lower or raise the Earth above or below the ecliptic and have technology to tilt the earth this way and that to simulate proper position of the constellations and seasons, etc. What do I know? Seems impossible to me . . . but you have to admit they come up with some of the most amusing explanations for our inability to debunk Nancy's insistence that the Earth is stalled in its orbit of the Sun.


If you tilt the Earth, how can the North Star still be at the center of rotation of the skies? How are SUNDIALS still working?


If I remember correctly . . . Zetas indicated . . . If you combine the effects of the tilt with moving the earth below or above the elliptic . . . this was explained to neutralize or limit the distortion or position of Polaris.


Yes, "Zetas" trot out LOTS of bullshit "explanations" like that. Simply isn't true. If you tilt the Earth, Polaris is no longer the north star. It wouldn't matter if Earth was above or below the ecliptic. Acually, that is NOT the excuse Nancy gives about the position of Polaris. One- she tries not to address the issue at all... two- she trots out some anecdotal stories from anonymous people who don't know how to observe the sky who say Polaris is out of place... third- the amount they say it is out of place is nowhere NEAR the amount which would be the case if Earth was tilted enough to create summer when it should be winter.

I have asked her, many times HOW MANY DEGREES Earth is being artificially tilted. She has yet to answer.


Thanks! In essence she uses the 'Fog of War' to limit clear and accurate answers. Seems like a good tactic, you have someone respond with a plausible yet inaccurate response to someone who does not have a solid grasp of the technical issues and they buy the answer. You have to remember most people have no idea where the stars should be or would be at anytime of the year.
 Quoting: George B


Yes. It has become painfully obvious, during the Zetatalk debacle, that MANY people have NO idea how the sky works.

And yes, Nancy and Zetatalk it the epitome of "bamboozle 'em with bullshit".
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Very eyeopening website ... has some very interesting anfo on Gerard and others:

[link to www.skepticalmind.com]


Wich is info from several years ago.
So how do you know that all of the information is still valid?
 Quoting: Gerard


Because you don't seem to have changed one bit!
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Thanks! In essence she uses the 'Fog of War' to limit clear and accurate answers. Seems like a good tactic, you have someone respond with a plausible yet inaccurate response to someone who does not have a solid grasp of the technical issues and they buy the answer.


EXACTLY!
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


EXACTLY! that is why only Zetatalk will explain the situation and how they all relate to each other

Stuck on something? ask the question.. you decide.. we are not all scardy cats
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Thanks! In essence she uses the 'Fog of War' to limit clear and accurate answers. Seems like a good tactic, you have someone respond with a plausible yet inaccurate response to someone who does not have a solid grasp of the technical issues and they buy the answer.


EXACTLY!


EXACTLY! that is why only Zetatalk will explain the situation and how they all relate to each other

Stuck on something? ask the question.. you decide.. we are not all scardy cats
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OK. Is the ecliptic in the same position in the night sky as it was during the day before?
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ZetaMax is now saying that Nancy is 'not a very credible source'.

Andrew is saying that Nancy is wrong about the position of Planet X (he says it's out beyond Pluto!).

Thus we have two of NancyTalk's biggest and most Thick-skulled supporters, both admitting she is not really believable!!

Massive WIN for the debunkers, it seems to me!

:5:
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EXACTLY! that is why only Zetatalk will explain the situation and how they all relate to each other
 Quoting: Free Store

Obviously, comprehension isn't one of your strong points so I'll make it simple for you. George said that some of the claims made on ZetaTalk are viewed by people who simply don't know any better...like you. For instance, Nancy receives anonymous reports that the sun is too far north. Then, someone like you, looks and says, "Hmmm, they're right! The sun is too far north." The problem is - it's right where it should be. But, not knowing where the sun should be in the first place, you believe the claim made on ZetaTalk.

Stuck on something? ask the question.. you decide.. we are not all scardy cats
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I did ask questions...in 2003. And when Nancy told me to go drown in the "pole shift" simply because she didn't have an answer, I decided she didn't have an answer because she knew that to honestly answer the question she would have to admit she was wrong. And we know she can't do that.
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Thats too bad

Stuck on something is the farthest you ever stepped out
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Funny, Max. We haven't seen any photos of you!

:maxface:

Or is it because you're really

zmax



JESUS TAPDANCING CHRIST!!!! He is even uglier in real life than his cartoon avatar!
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paid_shill

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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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And when 2012 comes as goes with no more than the usual complement of mayhem and a distinct lack of any pole shifts or mystery planets in the skies, Nancy Lieder will isuue a statement stating "Gosh, guess I was wrong, couldn't ya just kick me?"

Yeah right. When 2012 passes, they'll start talking about 2020 or 2019 or whatever number is next in line in the Woo Woo Hit Parade...

The Mayans issued a statement warning that the window of devastating change extended beyond 2012 to 2015.
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The Mayans issued a statement??? They have an active PR department even though their civilization ended centuries ago?
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wanted
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