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I have a life outside of the Internet.

But i will answer your question, mennow. It's because i take zetatalk serious.

How can you take ZetaTalk serious when nothing the "Zetas" say would happen in regards to astronomical, meteorological and geologic events has ever happened?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


He believes those things have happened. Don't ask me why, but he does.


How can you believe it when the person who took the image says there was nothing there?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Just to keep the record straight, Dell didn't "take" the images. Havas did, on a rent-a-scope system.

Obviously, Nancy will never change her story because she can't admit she was wrong.


And for the sake of it i will also answer another question. I don't have a astronomy degree. I am not a astronomer.

Gerard
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Then what makes you think that people should take you more seriously about astronomical observations than someone who has spent a good portion of their life and career studying the solar system and universe? Is it because you believe you're getting "expert" advice from Nancy?
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Again, he DOES think he is getting "expert" advice... from "Zetas".
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To all of Nancy's followers that say the USGS never upgrades a quake, check out the latest quake, originally tagged at 7.9, has been upgraded to 8.3. See pinned thread.
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zetas right again,he he
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To all of Nancy's followers that say the USGS never upgrades a quake, check out the latest quake, originally tagged at 7.9, has been upgraded to 8.3. See pinned thread.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


Shhhhh.....not too loud now KIR. Such information could shatter the glass ceiling of the delusional reality them bunkers reside in. I mean they must maintain the illusion of a vast coverup/conspiracy by those in the know to keep planet Earth from finding out about the big No Show Planet X.

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He believes those things have happened. Don't ask me why, but he does.
 Quoting: Menow 405501

Oh, I can see why. First, Nancy/the "Zetas" stated the conclusion saying "Planet X" was coming and that it would cause a "pole shift." Since then, Nancy/the "Zetas" have been cherry picking facts, such as storms, earthquakes and volcanic activity to support the conclusion. If the data doesn't quite fit, they twist it. For instance, Nancy claims there is an increase in earthquake activity and that the "Zetas" predicted it. When data is presented showing there is no increase, she claims the data is being falsified or manipulated. The problem is that these events can be caused by any number of things and be used to support any doomsday conclusion. So, to use them to support their conclusion - that of "Planet X" causing a "pole shift" - they need to show how "Planet X" is causing these events. They need to present something explaining why these events are different from past events. They need to provide a link that shows these events are caused by "Planet X" and not some other force at work. So far, none of them have done that.
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Me too. It's a neat word that the Germans have - Schadenfreude

It fits perfectly the train wreak that is Zetatalk.
 Quoting: DrPostman


Viele Gruesse aus Deutschland ! hf

Whats that story about Nancy and the candy wrapper btw. It was mentioned here several times ... what bogus stuff did she claim about it ?

In her very own words: [link to groups.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: DrPostman


Epic ... I am still not totally sure if she really believes all that crap ... if so she is totally insane ... if not, making this all up on purpose ... then she is a *beep**beep*.
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And for the sake of it i will also answer another question. I don't have a astronomy degree. I am not a astronomer.

Gerard
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Wow...how could we ever have guessed?
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Whats that story about Nancy and the candy wrapper btw. It was mentioned here several times ... what bogus stuff did she claim about it ?


In her very own words: [link to groups.yahoo.com]
 Quoting: DrPostman

The thing I don't get is that the "Zetas" told her she'd find her magazines face down, which she didn't. They then claimed that they don't give signs on demand because something could go wrong or the sign could be perceived wrong. How? First of all, if they had the power to put the magazines face down, then they could make sure they would be face down when Nancy arrived. Second, they told her exactly what to look for. So how could the sign be perceived wrong? And then she finds an unwrapped Starburst...but doesn't mention getting any kind of confirmation from the "Zetas" that it was indeed her sign. So, how does she know?
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Whats that story about Nancy and the candy wrapper btw. It was mentioned here several times ... what bogus stuff did she claim about it ?


In her very own words: [link to groups.yahoo.com]

The thing I don't get is that the "Zetas" told her she'd find her magazines face down, which she didn't. They then claimed that they don't give signs on demand because something could go wrong or the sign could be perceived wrong. How? First of all, if they had the power to put the magazines face down, then they could make sure they would be face down when Nancy arrived. Second, they told her exactly what to look for. So how could the sign be perceived wrong? And then she finds an unwrapped Starburst...but doesn't mention getting any kind of confirmation from the "Zetas" that it was indeed her sign. So, how does she know?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Right. When they told her what would be her sign, and it didn't happen, she ignored it. And then interpreted something that they hadn't mentioned at all as her "sign".

This is the kind of stuff her sheep such as Max, Gerard, 78/68 and others never question about her fairy tale. They just believe it as gospel and criticize anyone who even doubts it.

How funny can it get!
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The thing I don't get is that the "Zetas" told her she'd find her magazines face down, which she didn't. They then claimed that they don't give signs on demand because something could go wrong or the sign could be perceived wrong. How? First of all, if they had the power to put the magazines face down, then they could make sure they would be face down when Nancy arrived. Second, they told her exactly what to look for. So how could the sign be perceived wrong? And then she finds an unwrapped Starburst...but doesn't mention getting any kind of confirmation from the "Zetas" that it was indeed her sign. So, how does she know?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Of course, she doesn't.
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Those silly bunkers.
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It's part of why I'm here. I used to read and post to
sci.astro all the time. Since about 1997.
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Yes, I remember you from sci.astro. Also The Commentator and Hap. There are probably others here as well (MC?).


Your MO is spot-on.
 Quoting: DrPostman


Anyone who was around for any length of time during ZetaBabble's heyday will instantly recognise the disingenuous and sophomoric trolling attempts by the kOOks.

I find it hilarious that housewives, waitresses/waiters, finger-painters, etc. decide to beard-the-lion of science when they haven't a clue. If they'd stick to touchy-feely new age philosophy they'd have no scientific "debunkers", but yet they *have* to wrap their concepts in a cloak of pseudo-science for god knows what reason. I guess it's a manifestation of post-modern (UFO) theology.

They'd have an heart attack if they ever took a *real* hard science curriculum at university... not 'science for non-science majors'; or if they were to be employed in one of the hard sciences and had to defend their ideas in real life.

They don't know what brutal criticism is. You live and die by the strength of your work and there is no "touchy-feely" about it. I've given and I've received. It's all part of the game and much of the fun. If you can't take it you should think about a career in the social-sciences or the liberal-arts where fuzzy answers are the norm.

They don't have a clue about science.

Have fun.


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Note that the quake happened in the area of the planet where quakes are the norm and not at all unusual.
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Mean looking fault line

[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

Wonder if this Volcano had something to do with this?

[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]
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Gerard, as we all can observe, continues to avoid answering as to HOW HE DETERMINED that PX was imaged at Nancy's coords. He is avoiding saying that it was simply because NANCY SAID SO.


I have a life outside of the Internet.

But i will answer your question, mennow. It's because i take zetatalk serious.

And for the sake of it i will also answer another question. I don't have a astronomy degree. I am not a astronomer.

Gerard
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 Quoting: Gerard 754094


You're so wrapped up in Zetatalk that you've been twittering, posting on other forums, and generally being Nancy's prime supporter.

Life outside the internet when you have this record?

[link to twitter.com]
[link to omgili.com]
[link to www.google.com]
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So much for Nancy's "exponential" increase in number and magnitude of quakes since 1995. The USGS site states that before today, there had been no magnitude 8 quakes all year. There is usually 1 - 2 per year. The number of quakes between 6 and 6.9 is down significantly from the yearly norm, at 87 so far, with only 3 months to go. This in comparison to the quietest year in recent times, 2001 with 121 and the highest number in 2007 with 178.

If, as Nancy claimed years ago the incidence and severity of quakes had increased exponentially, the earth would be constantly shaking with high magnitude quakes, which is not happening, not even close. A lot can happen in the last 3 months of the year, but it looks like 2009 will be a relatively quiet year for quakes, which proves that there is no increase in destructive quakes.
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It's part of why I'm here. I used to read and post to
sci.astro all the time. Since about 1997.


Yes, I remember you from sci.astro. Also The Commentator and Hap. There are probably others here as well (MC?).



Your MO is spot-on.


Anyone who was around for any length of time during ZetaBabble's heyday will instantly recognise the disingenuous and sophomoric trolling attempts by the kOOks.

I find it hilarious that housewives, waitresses/waiters, finger-painters, etc. decide to beard-the-lion of science when they haven't a clue. If they'd stick to touchy-feely new age philosophy they'd have no scientific "debunkers", but yet they *have* to wrap their concepts in a cloak of pseudo-science for god knows what reason. I guess it's a manifestation of post-modern (UFO) theology.

They'd have an heart attack if they ever took a *real* hard science curriculum at university... not 'science for non-science majors'; or if they were to be employed in one of the hard sciences and had to defend their ideas in real life.

They don't know what brutal criticism is. You live and die by the strength of your work and there is no "touchy-feely" about it. I've given and I've received. It's all part of the game and much of the fun. If you can't take it you should think about a career in the social-sciences or the liberal-arts where fuzzy answers are the norm.

They don't have a clue about science.

Have fun.


R.
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What name did you go under on sci.astro? GREAT times making the bunker heads explode, and even more fun watching LIEDer have a tantrum every time someone shot holes in her bullshit stories, which was most every day....
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

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NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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What name did you go under on sci.astro? GREAT times making the bunker heads explode, and even more fun watching LIEDer have a tantrum every time someone shot holes in her bullshit stories, which was most every day....
 Quoting: The Commentator


I'd rather not say.

I didn't post much and was more of the opinion that it would be better if they were gone from that inappropriate venue. I did, however, think it appropriate to debunk what could be a doomsday cult having witnessed the Heaven's Gate disaster and the probability that some of those lost souls had posted on sci.astro prior to their brainwashed demise.

Once I figured out a great many of them were collecting here at GLP before screwing up the courage to take on sci.astro I came here to the font of all lunacy.

That was in late Nov. 2002.

This *is* the proper venue for bunker-debunker clashes. That is what makes GLP so popular, I believe.

Have fun.


R.
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It's a neat word that the Germans have - Schadenfreude
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Whats that story about Nancy and the candy wrapper btw. It was mentioned here several times ... what bogus stuff did she claim about it ?


In her very own words: [link to groups.yahoo.com]

The thing I don't get is that the "Zetas" told her she'd find her magazines face down, which she didn't. They then claimed that they don't give signs on demand because something could go wrong or the sign could be perceived wrong. How? First of all, if they had the power to put the magazines face down, then they could make sure they would be face down when Nancy arrived. Second, they told her exactly what to look for. So how could the sign be perceived wrong? And then she finds an unwrapped Starburst...but doesn't mention getting any kind of confirmation from the "Zetas" that it was indeed her sign. So, how does she know?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

Splitting hairs again???
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Splitting hairs again???
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Not at all. I'm curious to know.

Shilling again?
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Whats that story about Nancy and the candy wrapper btw. It was mentioned here several times ... what bogus stuff did she claim about it ?


In her very own words: [link to groups.yahoo.com]

The thing I don't get is that the "Zetas" told her she'd find her magazines face down, which she didn't. They then claimed that they don't give signs on demand because something could go wrong or the sign could be perceived wrong. How? First of all, if they had the power to put the magazines face down, then they could make sure they would be face down when Nancy arrived. Second, they told her exactly what to look for. So how could the sign be perceived wrong? And then she finds an unwrapped Starburst...but doesn't mention getting any kind of confirmation from the "Zetas" that it was indeed her sign. So, how does she know?

Splitting hairs again???
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


What about this is "splitting hairs"?
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Obviously, it isn't. Max was just shilling/trolling again.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 09/29/2009 09:33 PM
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Whats that story about Nancy and the candy wrapper btw. It was mentioned here several times ... what bogus stuff did she claim about it ?


In her very own words: [link to groups.yahoo.com]

The thing I don't get is that the "Zetas" told her she'd find her magazines face down, which she didn't. They then claimed that they don't give signs on demand because something could go wrong or the sign could be perceived wrong. How? First of all, if they had the power to put the magazines face down, then they could make sure they would be face down when Nancy arrived. Second, they told her exactly what to look for. So how could the sign be perceived wrong? And then she finds an unwrapped Starburst...but doesn't mention getting any kind of confirmation from the "Zetas" that it was indeed her sign. So, how does she know?

Splitting hairs again???


What about this is "splitting hairs"?
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No kidding. This is where it all began, with an unwrapped starburst candy. How is it splitting hairs to question whether this was a sign from the Zetas or just one of those things that happens when you mass produce things? Everything that comes after loses credibility if the "sign" that started it all wasn't a sign at all. If the sign is bogus, then it is safe to assume that the content of ZetaTalk is also suspect. The starburst moment is a good indication of the state of Nancy's mental health. Those that egg her on should be ashamed of themselves. She obviously is not playing with a full deck.
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I am not convinced there is any dedicated following for Nancy anymore. Besides Gerard, Andrew, ZetaMax, and User, who is there? Maybe ten posters to the old board?


Concerning Nancy and the Starbursts.

" 'this is why we don't give signs on demand! If
they go wrong, or are perceived wrong, hysterics, etc." So I understood, not
on demand.' "

"A week later I'm in a movie house, alone, trying to relax, and get the sense that a Zeta came in and sat beside me, and I'd find a candy wrapper in my pocket or some such."


These two statements are difficult to resolve with one another.

In my opinion, it is not so much IMPOSSIBLE that a potential "sign" could go awry-- since the Zetas and their technology as described by Nancy are hypothetical entities, it is hard to say what they can and cannot do. But even if they could freeze reality and telepathically herd humans, there could be limits to how much energy they are willing to expend, especially when one factors in the theoretical "Rules of Engagement" of Nancy's universe, where entities are restricted from interfering, depending on the awareness and permissions of third density individuals within the locality. Maybe Nancy's co-worker walks into the room and flips over the magazines 9 seconds before Nancy walks in, and they cannot adjust the stack because the co-worker's soul refuses contact and the Zetas cannot lobby an exception from the Council of Worlds.

In the first instance, it is not made clear whether the Zetas deliberately lied about giving her a sign with the magazines, or whether the sign was intended, but went awry. So we don't even know if the the "Zetas" intended to make a point with the second "attempt". Maybe they just F----d up the first time, and Nancy read into it, and the next time they picked a time where no one could interfere.

Either way, there is very little difference between the mechanics of the magazine and starburst incidents. The Zetas are still entertaining Nancy's wishes with the starbursts, aren't they? The only differences are 1) time. In the first, the sign will appear the next day, in the latter it is fulfilled immediately. 2) in the second instance, Nancy is only reacting to a "sense" that a sign/miracle COULD be taking place. So the second is an easier miracle, and more uncertain, but still a direct fulfillment to her request if it is a miracle.

Still, things could go wrong. Nancy still might not react to the "sign" as planned even if it is just a sense, and even if it is a darkened empty theatre. Are they sure Nancy won't think an evil sales representative dropped that Starburst in there to poison her? That is why her interpretation makes no sense. The Zetas wouldn't be making a moral point with a new miracle. Either the Zetas simply messed up the first time, or the second time her "feeling" was just her imagination and it was no miracle or sign from the "Zetas" at all.

So her story makes no sense.
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to clarify that last point further, it is entirely possible that Nancy could get this "sense" that Zeta contact was about to occur with her Starburst wrappers, only to disappointedly find nothing because they messed up again. even if they informed her post fact, she could still misinterpret the sign.
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Whats that story about Nancy and the candy wrapper btw. It was mentioned here several times ... what bogus stuff did she claim about it ?


In her very own words: [link to groups.yahoo.com]

The thing I don't get is that the "Zetas" told her she'd find her magazines face down, which she didn't. They then claimed that they don't give signs on demand because something could go wrong or the sign could be perceived wrong. How? First of all, if they had the power to put the magazines face down, then they could make sure they would be face down when Nancy arrived. Second, they told her exactly what to look for. So how could the sign be perceived wrong? And then she finds an unwrapped Starburst...but doesn't mention getting any kind of confirmation from the "Zetas" that it was indeed her sign. So, how does she know?

Splitting hairs again???


What about this is "splitting hairs"?

No kidding. This is where it all began, with an unwrapped starburst candy. How is it splitting hairs to question whether this was a sign from the Zetas or just one of those things that happens when you mass produce things? Everything that comes after loses credibility if the "sign" that started it all wasn't a sign at all. If the sign is bogus, then it is safe to assume that the content of ZetaTalk is also suspect. The starburst moment is a good indication of the state of Nancy's mental health. Those that egg her on should be ashamed of themselves. She obviously is not playing with a full deck.
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>> She obviously is not playing with a full deck.

Agreed! She is not full of consensus NONSENSE!!!
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I am not convinced there is any dedicated following for Nancy anymore. Besides Gerard, Andrew, ZetaMax, and User, who is there? Maybe ten posters to the old board?

I am one as well...

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Agreed! She is not full of consensus NONSENSE!!!
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Shilling again?

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I am one as well...

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I'm curious as to why. For six years, she has repeatedly said "Planet X" is here...and yet, it remains a no show. What do you find so compelling about Nancy when none of her doomsday predictions have happened?

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Hey Circuit Breaker! Hope all is well!
Counting down to when it will be too cold for us to go to the parks anymore... Your lil girl is keeping you busy yes? :)

Peace
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