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why should one "give up" if sings are noted, trends continue and acerbate when this or that date passes?
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Guess you're pretty happy now that hundreds of people died during the latest earthquakes ... which you definitely interpret as "prove" for Nancys claims, which they are not of course.
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why should one "give up" if sings are noted, trends continue and acerbate when this or that date passes?


Guess you're pretty happy now that hundreds of people died during the latest earthquakes ... which you definitely interpret as "prove" for Nancys claims, which they are not of course.
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_absurd

No one is "happy" that innocent people are suffering and dying.

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 10/01/2009 08:14 AM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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ZetaMax is now saying that Nancy is 'not a very credible source'.

Andrew is saying that Nancy is wrong about the position of Planet X (he says it's out beyond Pluto!).

Thus we have two of NancyTalk's biggest and most Thick-skulled supporters, both admitting she is not really believable!!

Massive WIN for the debunkers, it seems to me!
:5:
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get meds when things start to "seem" to you
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We captured a lot of "noise", any piece of which could be pointed to as PX.

But the best evidence is;
If it wasn’t where it was supposed to be in May 2003, how could it have been where we were pointing the telescope in 2002?

Planets don’t vanish. The planet wasn’t there to begin with.

That IS the only logical explanation.
 Quoting: J.William Dell


hm, looks like denial [of the initial statement]

more over, explanation is only a guess to explain fact. it could be wrong, even the most logical one. and furthermore there could be issues with this "logic" and old-fasioned "common reason". i think the latter is the case.
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Andrew, nobody censored you, it is an autocensor. The same thing happened to me. I posted the words P (word starting with P which is synonymous with Jail) Planet and the bot changed it to agent provocateur. I assume it is because a certain whacko has a website with that same name. You visit this site enough to know that certain terms will automatically be censored, yet you jump immediately to the conclusion that someone is out to get you. Paranoia is another trait of cult followers.

But paranoit crackpot andrew in the first hand assumed that the government had a paid agent sitting in GLP observing his posts (3-shift a day) and immediadely is changing/editing his posts......

I knew there are stupids in the world, i didnt knew they where that extreme....
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what told you that?

in fact i thought this is the work of one of you bastards
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I'm just not arrogant and stupid enough to think that such events never happened, and worse "never will".
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


But you ARE arrogant enough to disregard ALL scientific fact that proves Planet X impossible.

And you ARE stupid enough to support Nancy consistently.
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what told you that?

in fact i thought this is the work of one of you bastards
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Exactly, you are a paranoid idiot who jumps to conclusions based on the flimsiest of 'evidence', just like you have done with Planet X!
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hm, looks like denial [of the initial statement]

more over, explanation is only a guess to explain fact. it could be wrong, even the most logical one. and furthermore there could be issues with this "logic" and old-fasioned "common reason". i think the latter is the case.
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You do not even understand the meaning of the word logic.
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ZetaMax is now saying that Nancy is 'not a very credible source'.

Andrew is saying that Nancy is wrong about the position of Planet X (he says it's out beyond Pluto!).

Thus we have two of NancyTalk's biggest and most Thick-skulled supporters, both admitting she is not really believable!!

Massive WIN for the debunkers, it seems to me!
:5:


get meds when things start to "seem" to you
 Quoting: andrew


Face it Andrew, even YOU are having major doubts about Nancy.
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Here's what the Zetas have to say about the odd absence of the S Pole ... and the occurrence of the 8.3 + 7.9 in Samoa.

SOZT
Any plot of a magnetosphere will show output from the N Pole, regardless of what activity might be ongoing at the S Pole. Magnetrons flow out from the N Pole, circle round, and return at the S Pole. What would cause the Earth’s magnetosphere to temporarily show ONLY an outbound stream (blue lines), and this almost entirely turned quickly in space toward the direction of the Earth’s magnetic S Pole rather than arching out into space before returning? It is as though the magnetrons are diverted away from returning to the Earth’s S Pole, and this is what is occurring. We have stated that the N Pole of Planet X is increasingly pointing toward Earth, forcing the magnetic N Pole of Earth to push away during the daily Earth wobble that results. If this flow of magnetrons from Planet X is strong enough, the magnetrons flowing out the Earth’s N Pole cannot fight the push in order to return to the Earth’s S Pole. In this case, they form the LARGER FIELD temporarily formed by Planet X and the Earth, which are attempting to form an end-to-end magnet at this point, and return through the S Pole of Planet X!

What relationship, if any, does this have to the strong series of quakes in Samoa? We have described this part of the globe, the Indo-Australian plate that is being pushed under the Himalayas, as the brake point, holding back larger plate adjustment worldwide. Thus, this is where global adjustments START. This plate moves, then other adjustment that were waiting to happen can proceed. The relationship between the magnetic simulation
[link to www2.nict.go.jp]
charts showing the S Pole temporarily disappearing and the quakes is that a stronger and more violent WOBBLE occurred when the N Pole of Planet X temporarily pointed its N Pole at Earth, forcing an end-to-end alignment of their magnetospheres. This is a preview of the severe wobble we have stated will precede the lean-to-the-left. This is the CAUSE of the severe wobble we have predicted. More is to come!
EOZT

Yes, we DO have a wobble:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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she tried to sneak it under the radar........
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DrPostman posted this the other day. He's right...this can sum up Nancy and her many claims very well. Just substitute creationist with ZetaTalk.


scicreat

 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


its vice versa - science has become the new dogma.

science purports to have grasped what world is and how does it work and now checks everything against that, which is NOwhere scientific.

it is us, ZetaTalk fans, and other "alternative" science enthusiasts who represent true science - we say that current scientific view of the world is NOT complete, we point to facts that lead to this conclusion, in contrast to science who just rejects anything that doesnt fit its long desired established, finished, "perfect" and limited (not open-ended) understanding in most general terms of what world is.
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Do you REALLY believe that a object can appear in more than one location on the same image? If so, why?
 Quoting: Menow 405501


its called optical illusion.
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PS: "Zetas" originally claimed that PX was "visible to the naked eye" in 1995.
 Quoting: Menow 405501


bsflag
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To be honest. I think he (JWD) is angry or should i rather say
P*ss*d *ff cause 2003 didn't occur (because of the white lie) And this is why he act this way.

Why don't you just ASK him?
 Quoting: Menow 405501


human mind (i mean conscious) is good at playing tricks, selective memories, distorting facts, denial, prone to moods, etc.

human [conscious] mind is not an ally in this, not something to rely upon.
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And how does JWD explain this

To: Nancy Leider
From: J.William Dell
Subject: SHAVAS 3-R, 4-R, 5-R

Greetings and to the point;

I have had an opportunity to look at all the SHAVAS R Filter pictures individually.
These were loaded in freeware Cadet Calibration Fits software using all 6 dark plates.

I would like to point out anomolies in Frames 3-R, 4-R, 5-R

In frame 3-R, is an object just above the circle known as Steve's candidate.
In frame 4-R, is an anomolie in the exact coordinates that were given.
In frame 5-R, is the object that has been given by the Zetas as Planet X.

These pictures were taken, so I am to understand, as 2 minute exposures.

With red light bending, are we seeing the actual Planet X in different locations in the
different 2 minute pictures? In frame 4-R specifically, have we captured the red light
shifting within this one picture (which has created what looks like a moving object on the
exposure)?

I am using the freeware Avis Fits Viewer program, which is quite good, and it includes
as part of its features an ability to recognize stars and indicate pixel intensity. When
passing the cross hairs over objects in Fits files it recognizes the objects in 4-R and 5-R
as filmed objects on the picture. It ignores the object in 3-R as it also ignores pixel noise
or Hot? pixels on all pictures. (Hope that makes sense, in essence, Avis Fits viewer considers
the objects in 4-R & 5-R as real.)

With the red shifting occuring, when doing a summary stacked image, especially median, any
object not appearing on different pictures in the same place would probably be removed.
Only in Sum, or with an object with high enough intensity in one picture, would an object
appear.

I was out last night looking (without telescope) to determine location.
Just at the horizon was the star above Orions belt (Ori_Alp_58, it has a common name, don't
know it off hand) which has a high red factor. Boy was it moving around in the atmosphere, it
made the point to me about shifting.

Kindest regards
J.William Dell

[link to zetatalk.com] ?
 Quoting: Gerard


exactly. [see post above]
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And, here's another question for Gerard - How can "Planet X" be here....Andrew says it isn't. So, who are we to believe?
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i say that i DONT KNOW.

if weight this like that, then most probably it IS here, because i might be simply wrong, and very probably i am - i have no certainty re this because i hadnt checked myself. others say it is there. i dont know. it is doubtful for me, because i would believe it if i saw it regularly in the sky, not on photoes or videos, and not only me.

i mean saw it just like that, with no need to filter anything out or using special cameras - just like Moon, Sun or stars.

since i hadnt checked with these sophisticated means for myself, then FOR ME, it isnt there. i decide for myself that it is doubtful.

but as i know from ZetaTalk such visibility as i wish for will be in the last weeks, and we are clearly NOT in the last weeks, then all speculation is meaningless for me.

[as i, in any case rely on "last-week-plan"]
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And how does JWD explain this

To: Nancy Leider
From: J.William Dell
Subject: SHAVAS 3-R, 4-R, 5-R

Greetings and to the point;

I have had an opportunity to look at all the SHAVAS R Filter pictures individually.
These were loaded in freeware Cadet Calibration Fits software using all 6 dark plates.

I would like to point out anomolies in Frames 3-R, 4-R, 5-R

In frame 3-R, is an object just above the circle known as Steve's candidate.
In frame 4-R, is an anomolie in the exact coordinates that were given.
In frame 5-R, is the object that has been given by the Zetas as Planet X.

These pictures were taken, so I am to understand, as 2 minute exposures.

With red light bending, are we seeing the actual Planet X in different locations in the
different 2 minute pictures? In frame 4-R specifically, have we captured the red light
shifting within this one picture (which has created what looks like a moving object on the
exposure)?

I am using the freeware Avis Fits Viewer program, which is quite good, and it includes
as part of its features an ability to recognize stars and indicate pixel intensity. When
passing the cross hairs over objects in Fits files it recognizes the objects in 4-R and 5-R
as filmed objects on the picture. It ignores the object in 3-R as it also ignores pixel noise
or Hot? pixels on all pictures. (Hope that makes sense, in essence, Avis Fits viewer considers
the objects in 4-R & 5-R as real.)

With the red shifting occuring, when doing a summary stacked image, especially median, any
object not appearing on different pictures in the same place would probably be removed.
Only in Sum, or with an object with high enough intensity in one picture, would an object
appear.

I was out last night looking (without telescope) to determine location.
Just at the horizon was the star above Orions belt (Ori_Alp_58, it has a common name, don't
know it off hand) which has a high red factor. Boy was it moving around in the atmosphere, it
made the point to me about shifting.

Kindest regards
J.William Dell

[link to zetatalk.com] ?





It appears JWD has some explainin to do!
How can somebody make observations like these and then turn around and say he didn't see this?

Either he saw it, or he didn't see it. He can't have it both ways. He gives detailed observations, and then he takes it all back ... later ... I don't think so!

Credibility a big ZERO.

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exactly
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Either he saw it, or he didn't see it. He can't have it both ways. He gives detailed observations, and then he takes it all back ... later ... I don't think so!

Credibility a big ZERO.


exactly
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Andrew, have you not read JWD's explanation he gave a few pages back? Or are you tying to ignore it?
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To be honest. I think he (JWD) is angry or should i rather say
P*ss*d *ff cause 2003 didn't occur (because of the white lie) And this is why he act this way.


P*ss*d off is putting it mildly!

Chasing planets that never showed up.
Reported sightings that are never confirmed.

Telling lies to mask a failed prediction after 8 years of telling everyone, it will absolutely, positively show up on May 15 2003.

P*ss*d off that I bought into this hoax.
P*ss*d off for what it did to myself and others.
P*ss*d off that Zetatalk still has followers ready to swallow any BS given to them.

After 6 years I've returned to help ensure that others don't get sucked into this bullsh*t!

Seeing the efforts of CB, Menow, Prof Rabbit, Dr. Postman and the creative efforts of Lone Ranger setting up this thread, I felt that it was time to step inside and debunk the imaging that was going on in 2002/2003, as it is being used as evidence to support this continuing fantasy.

From what I know now, I can safely say that we were plotting noise on the starcharts and at no time did we ever provide proof of Niburu's existance or proximity to earth.

PX ain't here, and won't be here by 2012.
Quit wasting your life on this, it's time to move on to something useful.

And as to my involvement from 2000 to 2003, I can only say.

Mea Maxima Culpa

JWD
 Quoting: J.William Dell


its an interesting reaction - people want to avoid being considered "fools" at any cost. they will even nod to utter stupidity, widely accepted, so as not to look fool in others eyes.
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i would certainly not let my kids attend school.
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You indoctrinate them with fairytales about non existing planets, because a complete nuts woman saw a sign in a candy wrapper ... oh man, you are probably the most stupid, arrogant and ignorant person who ever posted on GLP.

Starburst-Candy ... it's a pack of contradictions:

[link to www.starburst.com]
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My credibility went to Zero when the observations done on the imaging was shown to be false by the non-appearance of PX in May 2003.
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does that prove anything?

I will state, based on review of the images after the no show of May 2003 and no PX appearing between then and now, that there is no supporting evidence for PX being in the solar system at this time.
 Quoting: J.William Dell


how can you know?

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its an interesting reaction - people want to avoid being considered "fools" at any cost. they will even nod to utter stupidity, widely accepted, so as not to look fool in others eyes.
 Quoting: andrew


There is a difference between thinking out of the box and defend controversial but possibly real standpoints (like it happened to all great minds in history) ... to defend complete bogus standpoint like Planet X, with no prove at all. Face it, not even one of Nancys "predictions" became true, NOT ONE ... even her most vague ones she has to spin so they SEEM to fit reality for her 15 left members of her cult.
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Nothing could be further from the TRUTH!!! The fact is, I ***HOPE*** that in the end Nancy truly IS wrong. It is not my desire to experience a pole shift and the death of 90% of the world's population.

I'm just not arrogant and stupid enough to think that such events never happened, and worse "never will".
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Max, no one is saying that the earth cannot be destroyed in one fell swoop by a rogue rock from space. It's almost happened at least one before with the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. But the fact is that Nancy's story has absolutely NO evidence to lead one to think that earth's demise will be from some imaginary planet ex...especially one that is supposed to have been hanging around the sun for the past six years. You might as well say that the earth is going to be destroyed by a giant bird flying through the galaxy pooping on it...there's just as much evidence for that as there is for Nancy's story (i.e. ZERO). So, why aren't you getting your poop helmets ready?
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Minutes of ZetaTalk Meeting, 10/1/2009:

Poster Andrew presided in Nancy's absence.

Minutes of last meeting were read and then amended to include heroic speech by Andrew exhorting the remaining ZT faithful to renew their efforts to 'get the truth out.' Much applause and huzzahing. Andrew showered by roses and ticker-tape. Minor lip lacerations suffered by numerous ZT attendees who mistook thorny rose-stems for snacks.

Presentation by Andrew entitled 'Why All Optical Illusions are Really PX in Super-Duper Stealth Mode.' Presentation cut short when no more red crayons can be found.

ZT attendee ZetaMax ejected from meeting when he was discovered to be playing Tetris on his cell phone during Andrew's recitation of PX-inspired poetry.

A motion was made to officialy 'Renounce all Science, Math, Geology, Physics, and Algebra (Because We Really Hate Algebra)' was made, seconded and approved.

After a final rousing sing-along to Nancy's musical epic 'Planet X Will Kill You Now (Soon),' the meeting was adjourned by the manager at Denny's who noted that 'if you weirdos ain't ordering you ain't gonna sit here all night.'
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My credibility went to Zero when the observations done on the imaging was shown to be false by the non-appearance of PX in May 2003.


does that prove anything?


I will state, based on review of the images after the no show of May 2003 and no PX appearing between then and now, that there is no supporting evidence for PX being in the solar system at this time.


how can you know?
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How can he know that there is no supporting evidence? Is that what you're asking? If so, the answer is simple...show us.
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I am one as well...

Peace

I'm curious as to why. For six years, she has repeatedly said "Planet X" is here...and yet, it remains a no show. What do you find so compelling about Nancy when none of her doomsday predictions have happened?
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here you show your need to cling - to whatever. you cannot think to yourself, you must accept some, any, source as absolute and eternal truth
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Oh yes...she's very much a handful. I know it will be getting too cold to go to the playground soon. Monday and Tuesday last week were in the 40s....and then we were back up to 80 by the weekend. This week will be in the mid-60s. The nights are definitely cooler...it was usually in the upper 50s in August when I got up at 5:00. Now it's in the low 40s...which makes it just a bit too cold to do my bike ride. That and with fall here, the days are shorter so it isn't light outside until well after 6:00. Thursday night the low is supposed to be 31. I'm counting down the days until the first snow. Parts of Colorado Springs had some last week...but it didn't stay around long. Pikes Peak had a nice cap on it until this weekend when the temps went back up.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


ah, voala - you have just captured the wobble!

flip

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"...ah, voala - you have just captured the wobble!"

Actually, it's called 'weather.' You should Google that word sometime. It's fascinating stuff.
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My credibility went to Zero when the observations done on the imaging was shown to be false by the non-appearance of PX in May 2003.


does that prove anything?
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It proves I wasn't analysising the images correctly.


I will state, based on review of the images after the no show of May 2003 and no PX appearing between then and now, that there is no supporting evidence for PX being in the solar system at this time.

how can you know?
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"there is no supporting evidence for PX being in the solar system at this time."

Doesn't mean I "know".

It means that you or I do not have any proof that PX is here.

Regards
JWD
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Andrew, you combine huge arrogance with incredible ignorance - a very bad combination. I predict you will spend the rest of your life being dumb and believing in bullshit - just as Nancy wants you.
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why would she want that for?

cant imagine someone who must ensure that some other (who is in another hemisphere and cannot be affected in any imagineable means, anyway) spends the rest of his life being dumb and believing in bullshit.





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