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You would be the expert on that!!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Yes, after observing people in denial like you for the past six years.

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And how does JWD explain this

To: Nancy Leider
From: J.William Dell
Subject: SHAVAS 3-R, 4-R, 5-R

Greetings and to the point;

I have had an opportunity to look at all the SHAVAS R Filter pictures individually.
These were loaded in freeware Cadet Calibration Fits software using all 6 dark plates.

I would like to point out anomolies in Frames 3-R, 4-R, 5-R

In frame 3-R, is an object just above the circle known as Steve's candidate.
In frame 4-R, is an anomolie in the exact coordinates that were given.
In frame 5-R, is the object that has been given by the Zetas as Planet X.

These pictures were taken, so I am to understand, as 2 minute exposures.

With red light bending, are we seeing the actual Planet X in different locations in the
different 2 minute pictures? In frame 4-R specifically, have we captured the red light
shifting within this one picture (which has created what looks like a moving object on the
exposure)?

I am using the freeware Avis Fits Viewer program, which is quite good, and it includes
as part of its features an ability to recognize stars and indicate pixel intensity. When
passing the cross hairs over objects in Fits files it recognizes the objects in 4-R and 5-R
as filmed objects on the picture. It ignores the object in 3-R as it also ignores pixel noise
or Hot? pixels on all pictures. (Hope that makes sense, in essence, Avis Fits viewer considers
the objects in 4-R & 5-R as real.)

With the red shifting occuring, when doing a summary stacked image, especially median, any
object not appearing on different pictures in the same place would probably be removed.
Only in Sum, or with an object with high enough intensity in one picture, would an object
appear.

I was out last night looking (without telescope) to determine location.
Just at the horizon was the star above Orions belt (Ori_Alp_58, it has a common name, don't
know it off hand) which has a high red factor. Boy was it moving around in the atmosphere, it
made the point to me about shifting.

Kindest regards
J.William Dell

[link to zetatalk.com] ?


exactly. [see post above]
 Quoting: andrew


"Exactly" what? It is clear from that post of Dell's that he is confused about how to properly stack images to eliminate false positives. That's what Nancy called PX, things which would be eliminated by proper image processing. No planet was imaged. Simple as that.
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I agree. The bunkers show off their idiocy with every post. Especially the ones with juvenile pictures like Max's. The debunkers need to stay above that foolishness.

It's all they have. When they can't debate what the debunkers have, which is often, they resort to posting smilies and accusing us of being shills and paid government agents out to silence the Lieder. I honestly don't think Max believes any of Nancy's bullcrap. If he did, he would be over at Nancy's thread engaging in edifying conversation about all things ZetaTalk instead of sparring with debunkers here. But he seems to prefer this thread, which makes it quite evident that he is only here to bait debunkers and hopefully throw them off topic. I go through times where I just ignore him, then I respond to something he says, and always wish I hadn't, because he is obviously just trying to get our goats and take them for a walk. The best way to deal with a troll is to ignore him.
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just like i pointed out somewhere in these threads: "de-bunkers" are disturbed because of the fact that there are people who take ZetaTalk seriously and support it.

how much easier and pleasant it would be for them if we were typical gullible weak cultist persons. but we present a problem for them.

they cant let the fact that reasonable and intelligent people [not nutty cultists] take ZT seriously. admission of this fact would pose an unsolvable dilemma for their minds: "they could not seriously believe all that". in their mind one cannot be reasonable and believe such things.

this is a dilemma because it requires to make corrections to their belief systems (science, common reason etc) and worldview.
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I see there was a large earthquake off the coast of American Samoa.

Just an observation on this unstable area and looking for discussion.

When looking at the topography of the Pacific Ocean, it sure is broken up and faulted. Big scars running North South.

Then considering the Continental drift of continents from an original Godwanaland.

And the existance of the rubble we call the asteroid belt

Does make me wonder whether something clipped our planet eons ago.

Kindest Regards
JWD
 Quoting: J.William Dell


and what does that look like?

right, Zetas RIGHT Again! hf
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To: Nancy Leider
From: J.William Dell
Subject: SHAVAS 3-R, 4-R, 5-R

Greetings and to the point;

I have had an opportunity to look at all the SHAVAS R Filter pictures individually.
These were loaded in freeware Cadet Calibration Fits software using all 6 dark plates.

I would like to point out anomolies in Frames 3-R, 4-R, 5-R

In frame 3-R, is an object just above the circle known as Steve's candidate.
In frame 4-R, is an anomolie in the exact coordinates that were given.
In frame 5-R, is the object that has been given by the Zetas as Planet X.

These pictures were taken, so I am to understand, as 2 minute exposures.

With red light bending, are we seeing the actual Planet X in different locations in the
different 2 minute pictures? In frame 4-R specifically, have we captured the red light
shifting within this one picture (which has created what looks like a moving object on the
exposure)?

I am using the freeware Avis Fits Viewer program, which is quite good, and it includes
as part of its features an ability to recognize stars and indicate pixel intensity. When
passing the cross hairs over objects in Fits files it recognizes the objects in 4-R and 5-R
as filmed objects on the picture. It ignores the object in 3-R as it also ignores pixel noise
or Hot? pixels on all pictures. (Hope that makes sense, in essence, Avis Fits viewer considers
the objects in 4-R & 5-R as real.)

With the red shifting occuring, when doing a summary stacked image, especially median, any
object not appearing on different pictures in the same place would probably be removed.
Only in Sum, or with an object with high enough intensity in one picture, would an object
appear.

I was out last night looking (without telescope) to determine location.
Just at the horizon was the star above Orions belt (Ori_Alp_58, it has a common name, don't
know it off hand) which has a high red factor. Boy was it moving around in the atmosphere, it
made the point to me about shifting.

Kindest regards
J.William Dell

[link to zetatalk.com] ?





It appears JWD has some explainin to do!
How can somebody make observations like these and then turn around and say he didn't see this?

Either he saw it, or he didn't see it. He can't have it both ways. He gives detailed observations, and then he takes it all back ... later ... I don't think so!

Credibility a big ZERO.



exactly
 Quoting: andrew


Dell "took it all back" when he realized that what we were all telling him was true: He didn't know what he was doing. And he didn't.
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Sadly, Andrew, I don't consider anyone who takes ZT seriously to be either reasonable or intelligent.

The very definition or reasoned or intelligent precludes any belief in ZT, because ZT is such obvious nonsense.

That makes you, as an ardent ZT supporter, either dim-witted or deranged. Sorry, but that conclusion is unavoidable. I hope you don't work with sharp implements or power tools.

ZetaMax is obviosuly just here for shits and giggles.
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back in about 45 minutes.
I need time to read through your source material

Regards
JWD

No problem, take your time.

BTW, here is a basic intro to lunar geology:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: The Commentator


1rof1

little human scientists and their mindless wannabe experts making serious look at their faces and pretending to know about everything, aka "eh, just grab a reference book and see how it was" [Earth's geological past].

ROFLMAO!

lmao
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Earthquake in Indonesia ... my prediction: Nancy will spin it so it fits her claims ... this is going to be an interesting ZetaTalk this weekend ... debunkers get ready for a big debunking of her next claims.


and it IS significant - plate displacement in the Pacific.
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So little Andrew is a specialist for geology lately ?
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its an interesting reaction - people want to avoid being considered "fools" at any cost. they will even nod to utter stupidity, widely accepted, so as not to look fool in others eyes.
 Quoting: andrew


Zetatalk continues to hold up the imaging done in 2002/2003 as prove of PX arrival in our vicinity.

And that premise is wrong.

No visual sighting of PX in May 2003 = no imaging proof of PX in 2002/2003



they will even nod to utter stupidity, widely accepted, so as not to look fool in others eyes.

This comment of yours made me think back to why I continued with Zetatalk in early 2003, even as imaging was showing less and less evidence.

Within the group think of Zetatalk, this was a factor in keeping the "team" together.



I may be a fool, but I will be an honest fool.


Regards
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At least the 'little human scientists' have the zero and physics in their toolkits, Andrew.

Your Zetas are sadly lacking in the basics.
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Another 6.9 EQ in Sumatra reported on Europe morning news .... man, Nancy is going to get crazy like a frog on this this weekend ... maybe she might even pull another 2003 now , saying the end is nigh, very nigh ... "C'mon Rover ... over here ... wuff wuff ... it wont hurt ya " ?

Going to be a crazy ZetaTalk this weekend ... lets prepare for a major debunking session.

I bet she and her followers are sooo happy now that many people died (lowlife STS people they were anyways they think, going to be reborn on waterworld). Of course EQs in major EQ-areas are totally unusual and PX has to be the reason for this.
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STS are more often NOT lowlife, as recent Financier suicides can tell you [cant bear consequences of crisis eating into their wealth].

just saying.
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oh wow! you know Lenin! im honestly impressed!
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Guess you love Lenin, little communist boy ?
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didnt know about it. hm..

why that phrase is not allowed? isnt it sick?!


No it is not ... Planet X should be censored though, because this IS sick.
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i prefer NOTHING to be censured.

even the "dead dog guy". why should it?
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just like i pointed out somewhere in these threads: "de-bunkers" are disturbed because of the fact that there are people who take ZetaTalk seriously and support it.
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Just as it disturbs you that there are far more people that don't take it seriously or support it. It bothers you greatly that we won't adhere to your way of "independent thinking"...which explains why you've been spending so much time over here lately.

how much easier and pleasant it would be for them if we were typical gullible weak cultist persons. but we present a problem for them.
 Quoting: andrew

How much easier and pleasant would it be for you and Nancy if we were all typical gullible, weak minded cultist type people? But we present a real problem for you...and that's because we can prove without a doubt that what Nancy claims and predicts is false.

they cant let the fact that reasonable and intelligent people [not nutty cultists] take ZT seriously.
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You can. In your ZetaTalk thread. Why aren't you there? Is it because YOU can't let reasonable and intelligent people not take ZT seriously?

admission of this fact would pose an unsolvable dilemma for their minds: "they could not seriously believe all that". in their mind one cannot be reasonable and believe such things.
 Quoting: andrew

This applies to you. After all, we largely abandoned the ZT thread. Meanwhile, you and Max have been spending a lot of your time over here as Nancy's thread sinks rapidly to the back pages. So, who's the one with the dilemma again?

this is a dilemma because it requires to make corrections to their belief systems (science, common reason etc) and worldview.
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It requires no such action from "debunkers" because you have yet to show where our belief systems are wrong. When you can, then come back and talk big.
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they cant let the fact that reasonable and intelligent people [not nutty cultists] take ZT seriously. admission of this fact would pose an unsolvable dilemma for their minds: "they could not seriously believe all that". in their mind one cannot be reasonable and believe such things.

this is a dilemma because it requires to make corrections to their belief systems (science, common reason etc) and worldview.
 Quoting: andrew


What reasonable and intelligent people are you talking about ?

You mean people like Stephen Hawkins:


[link to www.youtube.com]
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and what does that look like?

right, Zetas RIGHT Again! hf
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No one knows what it looks like. But it had nothing to do with some "Planet X." For one thing, the "Zetas" say planets shouldn't collide because of the "repulsion force." Besides, no one knows for certain that there was a collision. It's only a hypothesis based on the evidence at hand.

Zetas WRONG again!!

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just like i pointed out somewhere in these threads: "de-bunkers" are disturbed because of the fact that there are people who take ZetaTalk seriously and support it.

how much easier and pleasant it would be for them if we were typical gullible weak cultist persons. but we present a problem for them.

they cant let the fact that reasonable and intelligent people [not nutty cultists] take ZT seriously. admission of this fact would pose an unsolvable dilemma for their minds: "they could not seriously believe all that". in their mind one cannot be reasonable and believe such things.

this is a dilemma because it requires to make corrections to their belief systems (science, common reason etc) and worldview.
 Quoting: andrew


Well, you seem to believe that there are no contradicitons in Zetatalk even though you are presented with them. That *IS* somewhat disturbing for people to observe.

One more time, for Andrew, who claims that there are no contradictions in Zetatalk:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

"Where the repulsion force comes to equal the force of gravity by the time the objects in play would make contact, it builds at a rate that differs from gravity."

"The repulsion force is infinitesimally smaller than the force of gravity, but has a sharper curve so that it equals the force of gravity at the point of contact."


OK... Now what made(makes) PX slow down as it approaches the Sun?

It's a simple question, Andrew, about the very core of Zetatalk claims about the orbit of PX. Why won't you answer it?
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And yet, ANOTHER BIG QUAKE!

[link to timesofindia.indiatimes.com]
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i feel it is something significant, weak spot in the plates gave way.
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1rof1

little human scientists and their mindless wannabe experts making serious look at their faces and pretending to know about everything, aka "eh, just grab a reference book and see how it was" [Earth's geological past].

ROFLMAO!

lmao
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There you have it! Andrew in all his arrogance saying that thousands of scientists, who have spent years studying, conducting tests and analyzing data are all wrong...but Andrew, with no formal education, is right and you should believe him simply because he said so.
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i feel it is something significant, weak spot in the plates gave way.
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Duh! It's called a fault. Try looking it up.

Oh, never mind...earthquakes are based on real science and you won't have any of that.

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I see there was a large earthquake off the coast of American Samoa.

Just an observation on this unstable area and looking for discussion.

When looking at the topography of the Pacific Ocean, it sure is broken up and faulted. Big scars running North South.

Then considering the Continental drift of continents from an original Godwanaland.

And the existance of the rubble we call the asteroid belt

Does make me wonder whether something clipped our planet eons ago.

Kindest Regards
JWD


and what does that look like?

right, Zetas RIGHT Again! hf
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Hmmm ... Nancy claimed planets can not collide because of the "repulsion force" ... can you make up your mind finally and explain it ?

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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little human scientists and their mindless wannabe experts making serious look at their faces and pretending to know about everything, aka "eh, just grab a reference book and see how it was" [Earth's geological past].

ROFLMAO!

lmao
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Face it Andrew, you're just stupid and not able to understand science, thats why you so angry at people who are smarter than you.

But there's nothing to worry. There are plenty retards out there living a kick ass life.
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Andrew typed:

"i feel it is something significant..."

Well, there you go! If Andrew 'feels' something is significant, CB, you can just take your sciences of sesimology or geology or plate techtonics and do away with them, because FEELING trumps reason every time!

Feeling, in fact, is at the core of Zeta science. That's why they're always right, because while we say F=MA, they leap ahead and derive Great Truths such as 'Ouch, quit hitting me.'

Andrew, may I ask what you FEEL about dtE2 = ( 1 - 2GMi/ric2 )dtc2 - ( dx2 + dy2 + dz2 )/c2 . . . . . (1)?

I mean, it's got to be more accurate that nasty old science with its zeros, right?
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Another 6.9 EQ in Sumatra reported on Europe morning news .... man, Nancy is going to get crazy like a frog on this this weekend ... maybe she might even pull another 2003 now , saying the end is nigh, very nigh ... "C'mon Rover ... over here ... wuff wuff ... it wont hurt ya " ?

Going to be a crazy ZetaTalk this weekend ... lets prepare for a major debunking session.

I bet she and her followers are sooo happy now that many people died (lowlife STS people they were anyways they think, going to be reborn on waterworld). Of course EQs in major EQ-areas are totally unusual and PX has to be the reason for this.


STS are more often NOT lowlife, as recent Financier suicides can tell you [cant bear consequences of crisis eating into their wealth].

just saying.
 Quoting: andrew


With lowlife I do not mean people with not much money. The fact is you self proclaimed STO with your Nazi mentality view the people you call STS as subhumans, not worthy, useless eaters ... which again leads us to typical cult-thinking ... in every cult the members think of themselves as super-humans and those not in the cult are the subhumans.
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Here's what the Zetas have to say about the odd absence of the S Pole ... and the occurrence of the 8.3 + 7.9 in Samoa.

SOZT
Any plot of a magnetosphere will show output from the N Pole, regardless of what activity might be ongoing at the S Pole. Magnetrons flow out from the N Pole, circle round, and return at the S Pole. What would cause the Earth’s magnetosphere to temporarily show ONLY an outbound stream (blue lines), and this almost entirely turned quickly in space toward the direction of the Earth’s magnetic S Pole rather than arching out into space before returning? It is as though the magnetrons are diverted away from returning to the Earth’s S Pole, and this is what is occurring. We have stated that the N Pole of Planet X is increasingly pointing toward Earth, forcing the magnetic N Pole of Earth to push away during the daily Earth wobble that results. If this flow of magnetrons from Planet X is strong enough, the magnetrons flowing out the Earth’s N Pole cannot fight the push in order to return to the Earth’s S Pole. In this case, they form the LARGER FIELD temporarily formed by Planet X and the Earth, which are attempting to form an end-to-end magnet at this point, and return through the S Pole of Planet X!

What relationship, if any, does this have to the strong series of quakes in Samoa? We have described this part of the globe, the Indo-Australian plate that is being pushed under the Himalayas, as the brake point, holding back larger plate adjustment worldwide. Thus, this is where global adjustments START. This plate moves, then other adjustment that were waiting to happen can proceed. The relationship between the magnetic simulation
[link to www2.nict.go.jp]
charts showing the S Pole temporarily disappearing and the quakes is that a stronger and more violent WOBBLE occurred when the N Pole of Planet X temporarily pointed its N Pole at Earth, forcing an end-to-end alignment of their magnetospheres. This is a preview of the severe wobble we have stated will precede the lean-to-the-left. This is the CAUSE of the severe wobble we have predicted. More is to come!
EOZT

Yes, we DO have a wobble:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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wow! look what i posted re this few post before!!

where does that ZT comes from? link to GLP?
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Yes, we DO have a wobble:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]


wow! look what i posted re this few post before!!

where does that ZT comes from? link to GLP?
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Andrew, there is no abmormal Earth wobble. That's all you need to know.
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But there's nothing to worry. There are plenty retards out there living a kick ass life.
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You mean like Jon and Kate Gosselin?
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Yes, we DO have a wobble:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]


wow! look what i posted re this few post before!!

where does that ZT comes from? link to GLP?
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Wow, and look! A time lapse video shot in April showing no wobble!

[link to www.youtube.com]

Welcome to fail!

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Here's what the Zetas have to say about the odd absence of the S Pole ... and the occurrence of the 8.3 + 7.9 in Samoa.

SOZT
Any plot of a magnetosphere will show output from the N Pole, regardless of what activity might be ongoing at the S Pole. Magnetrons flow out from the N Pole, circle round, and return at the S Pole. What would cause the Earth’s magnetosphere to temporarily show ONLY an outbound stream (blue lines), and this almost entirely turned quickly in space toward the direction of the Earth’s magnetic S Pole rather than arching out into space before returning? It is as though the magnetrons are diverted away from returning to the Earth’s S Pole, and this is what is occurring. We have stated that the N Pole of Planet X is increasingly pointing toward Earth, forcing the magnetic N Pole of Earth to push away during the daily Earth wobble that results. If this flow of magnetrons from Planet X is strong enough, the magnetrons flowing out the Earth’s N Pole cannot fight the push in order to return to the Earth’s S Pole. In this case, they form the LARGER FIELD temporarily formed by Planet X and the Earth, which are attempting to form an end-to-end magnet at this point, and return through the S Pole of Planet X!

What relationship, if any, does this have to the strong series of quakes in Samoa? We have described this part of the globe, the Indo-Australian plate that is being pushed under the Himalayas, as the brake point, holding back larger plate adjustment worldwide. Thus, this is where global adjustments START. This plate moves, then other adjustment that were waiting to happen can proceed. The relationship between the magnetic simulation
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charts showing the S Pole temporarily disappearing and the quakes is that a stronger and more violent WOBBLE occurred when the N Pole of Planet X temporarily pointed its N Pole at Earth, forcing an end-to-end alignment of their magnetospheres. This is a preview of the severe wobble we have stated will precede the lean-to-the-left. This is the CAUSE of the severe wobble we have predicted. More is to come!
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Yes, we DO have a wobble:
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wow! look what i posted re this few post before!!

where does that ZT comes from? link to GLP?
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The south-pole is totally fine ... what is crazy Nancy talking about ?
Also, why did the allmighty Nancy not predict the earthquakes. That crazy old bitch is exploiting the tragic and painful deaths of many people for hear agenda. She is so happy this happened ... it is disgusting and sick.
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Earthquake in Indonesia ... my prediction: Nancy will spin it so it fits her claims ... this is going to be an interesting ZetaTalk this weekend ... debunkers get ready for a big debunking of her next claims.


and it IS significant - plate displacement in the Pacific.
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Which has been going on for millenia.

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