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I ask you AGAIN, Max, since you seem to think WE have our heads in the sand...CAN YOU NAME ONE SINGLE ASTROMICAL CLAIM OR PREDICTION FROM ZT THAT HAS EVER COME TRUE? JUST ONE?

I found this article may be very fitting with ZetaTalk.

Let's see how many of these criteria fit Nancy and ZetaTalk.

Marcia Rudin's 14 Common Characteristics of a Cult

1. Members swear total allegiance to an all-powerful leader who they believe to be the Messiah.

2. Rational thought is discouraged or forbidden.

3. The cult's recruitment techniques are often deceptive.

4. The cult weakens the follower psychologically by making him or her depend upon the group to solve his or her problems.

5. The cults manipulate guilt to their advantage.

6. The cult leader makes all the career and life decision of the members.

7. Cults exist only for their own material survival and make false promises to work to improve society.

8. Cult members often work fulltime for the group for little or no pay.

9. Cult members are isolated from the outside world and any reality testing it could provide.

10. Cults are anti-woman, anti-child, and anti-family.

11. Cults are apocalyptic and believe themselves to be the remnant who will survive the soon-approaching end of the world.

12. Many cults follow an "ends justify the means" philosophy.

13. Cults, particularly in regard to their finances, are shrouded in secrecy.

14. There is frequently an aura of or potential for violence around cults.


Commentary by Nori J. Muster

If you think you might be involved in a cult, ask yourself some serious questions about the group.

Do you have to change who you are to fit in, please others?
Do they set up a duality of "us" and "them" and tell you that people outside the group are bad, less important?
Do they treat "outsiders" badly or talk behind their backs?
Do they treat members badly?
Do they give a false impression to the public?
Do they predict that society is on the brink of destruction?

Further symptoms:

Cult leaders are often psychopathic and power hungry. They teach their followers that the outside world is evil; that the cult offers the only salvation. This creates an atmosphere of isolation, leading to hopelessness.

Cult recruiters target people with low self-esteem, presenting the group as a loving surrogate family. Members are taught to do whatever the family asks. They must repress their individuality and work for the good of the group.

New people may receive red carpet treatment, but once they are established members, they may be exploited and abused. They may alter their personalities to please authority figures and fit into the group.

Cult leaders preach that society is on the brink of destruction, reinforced by isolating their members and controlling the flow of information within the cult. They manipulate members with guilt and fear.

Cults try to portray themselves as benign and may hide undesirable aspects of their operation from the public and from members. Thus the stereotype of "blind" followers.

This is what we're talking about, exactly this.

They don't all apply...but a good many of them do.

Naturally, Max, Andrew and Gerard will deny that. But they're rather wrapped up in ZetaTalk and can't see it so of course they'll deny it.

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...who get every single astronomical prediction correct to the second while Nancy has never gotten ANYTHING right.

Yeah, Andrew...that's real "independent thinking".

Yet, look who is here on the debunker thread whining and crying.

ZetaTalk is NOT a cult!

Ooo, looks like somebody hit a nerve, aye Max????

Hi ya all!

And yes, Zetatalk is not a cult...

Peace

Why do you believe what Nancy tells you?

Face it, ZTers, ZetaTalk is about one barrel of Very Special Kool-Aid from being a cult, and you guys know it...

Mya ... not really, but a little bit ... the see her more like "the wise one", not really a messiah though.


Confirmative.


Does not apply, there is no real recruition ... it seems to attract retards though.

Does not really apply, but some of our Zetards trust ZetaTalk and get weakened by that. But Nancy does not force it, its freewill retardism.

Yes I say. Change "guilt" with "fail" and you have it.

Does not apply.

Nope, does not apply.

Not that I know of ... most are fulltime retards though.

They isolate themself mentally I think.

Not really ... pretty much anti-dog though :)

Confirmative, Alex answered with "yes" to the question if he thinks he will be one of the survivors, look a few pages ahead and you will see.

Not really.

No idea, maybe, maybe not ... dont think Nancy made BIG money with it.

Not as long Zetards stay away from my dogs I guess :)

Further symptoms:


Hell yeah, confirmative on psychopathic.


Not really, as I said above, these are retards with plenty of self-esteem.

Not really as far as I know

Mentally, yes.

Yes, indeed. The followers blindfolded themselfes willfully though.

he was a true idealist, unlike what has come after him - Stalins purge. Stalin was in Lenin's surrounding and he (Stalin) was eager for power from the very beginning, and had secret disdain for Lenin, exactly because his idealism and dedication, which were not in Stalins intent.

As we all know, Nancy had some images taken at coordinates given to her by the "Zetas" and then those images were analyzed with Nancy declaring that "Planet X" was found. Whether it was or wasn't isn't really important. But, that leaves me with some questions: If "Planet X" is here now, as Nancy and Gerard maintain, then why hasn't she gotten the location from the "Zetas" and had someone she trusts take some new images? They could easily obtain their own telescope and do it. Since "Planet X" is supposedly somewhere near the sun, they wouldn't have needed an elaborate and expensive telescope. They could probably get everything they needed for around $500. Or, they could go all out. Hap offered the use of his professional grade equipment. All Nancy had to do was go herself or appoint someone she trusted to do it for her. This would have been the best solution. For one thing, we know the equipment would have been of good quality and properly set up. Second, we know the observation methods used would be sound. Third, there would be witnesses...bunker and debunker. And finally, if "Planet X" was found...it would have been done on equipment owned by a debunker. All of this would have made it the ultimate win-win situation for Nancy. There would be no more debate or argument. They'd be able to rub our little debunker noses in it. And yet, none of them have tried either method. Why? Gerard...Andrew? Care to explain that one?

And there you go! Max proves my point. However, I didn't say it was a cult. I simply said that many parts of it meet the criteria.

They may not...but Nancy sees herself that way having once claimed she's like Mother Theresa and Joan of Arc rolled into one.

Hello Menow! Hope all is well... and I think no answer would suffice to satisfy what would be of your rational belief in your judgement and conclusion on this subject... but thats ok! I as well am a bit watchful of our earthquakes at the moment, and feeling for Mother Earth...
Take care man! We are in these times together regardless of what you think of me! ;)

Peace

You are so stupid Andrew ... unbelievable ... look here:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The campaign of mass repressions was officially initiated as retribution for the assassination of Petrograd Cheka leader Moisei Uritsky, and attempted assassination of Vladimir Lenin by Fanya Kaplan on August 30, 1918. While recovering from his wounds, Lenin instructed: "It is necessary - secretly and urgently to prepare the terror" [10] Even before the assassinations, Lenin was sending telegrams "to introduce mass terror" in Nizhny Novgorod in response to a suspected civilian uprising there, and "crush" landowners in Penza who protested, sometimes violently, to requisition of their grain by military detachments:[2]

"Comrades!... You must make example of these people. (1) Hang (I mean hang publicly, so that people see it) at least 100 kulaks, rich bastards, and known bloodsuckers. (2) Publish their names. (3) Seize all their grain. (4) Single out the hostages per my instructions in yesterday's telegram."

Five hundred "representatives of overthrown classes" were executed immediately by the Bolshevik communist government after the assassination of Uritsky [3]."

Really, wouldn't a cult need more than 4 members?

To borrow a term coined on South Park, ZT is really more a 'fruity little club.'

that was not a PLANET that hit the early Earth, but an asterpoid, one of Planet X "moons". it gave Earth a gaping wound where the Pacific is now. all that "continental drift" is attempts by the Earth crust to "heal" itself, fill the gap.

"objects of approximate same size" it says, read it more carefully.

I think it does. Hence all the STO and STS banter.

Its a small cult, growing weeker each month.

billions of people can spend thousands of years on doing... nonsense, basically. [just like you "de-bunkers"].

and all the while they could be WRONG. so, that's not an argument.

Your response is full of judgement of me and lacking any direct response to my question.

Oh, and you know this how? Based on what data and evidence? Oh, that's right...you don't have any. All you have is a belief. Nothing more. And, if what you say is true, then what's keeping "Planet X" from falling into the sun? They aren't the same size.

Ooops! A big hole has just been shot in Andrew's theory. The only way he can get out of that is to say "Planet X" isn't really here...but then that goes against what Nancy and the almighty "Zetas" have been saying for the past six years.

Oh, whoa is me. Who do we believe? Nancy and the "Zetas"....or Andrew?

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Hey Andrew --

Spelling, dude. Asterpoid? LOL, good one. Edit is your friend.

yes, fault is a weak spot in the plates, you got it absolutely right!

Again...andrew, in his arrogance, is saying that he alone is right.

OK, indeed ... didnt think of that, took "material survival" more in the money making scientology way ... but yes, you're right.

But Andrew....faults are based on Earth science and you reject that.