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and what does that look like?

right, Zetas RIGHT Again! hf

No one knows what it looks like. But it had nothing to do with some "Planet X." For one thing, the "Zetas" say planets shouldn't collide because of the "repulsion force." Besides, no one knows for certain that there was a collision. It's only a hypothesis based on the evidence at hand.

Zetas WRONG again!!


that was not a PLANET that hit the early Earth, but an asterpoid, one of Planet X "moons". it gave Earth a gaping wound where the Pacific is now. all that "continental drift" is attempts by the Earth crust to "heal" itself, fill the gap.

"objects of approximate same size" it says, read it more carefully.
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How are PX and the Sun of "approximate same size"?
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I bet she and her followers are sooo happy now that many people died (lowlife STS people they were anyways they think, going to be reborn on waterworld). Of course EQs in major EQ-areas are totally unusual and PX has to be the reason for this.

STS are more often NOT lowlife, as recent Financier suicides can tell you [cant bear consequences of crisis eating into their wealth].
just saying.

With lowlife I do not mean people with not much money. The fact is you self proclaimed STO with your Nazi mentality view the people you call STS as subhumans, not worthy, useless eaters ... which again leads us to typical cult-thinking ... in every cult the members think of themselves as super-humans and those not in the cult are the subhumans.
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then, you and all those clinging to "common reason" and science are nothing but dark cultists, because you treat people who dont agree with your worldview as "subhumans" and openly call for their rights removed and possibly incarcerated.

and cult it is! pretty violent and dangerous one!

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and what does that look like?

right, Zetas RIGHT Again! hf

No one knows what it looks like. But it had nothing to do with some "Planet X." For one thing, the "Zetas" say planets shouldn't collide because of the "repulsion force." Besides, no one knows for certain that there was a collision. It's only a hypothesis based on the evidence at hand.

Zetas WRONG again!!


that was not a PLANET that hit the early Earth, but an asterpoid, one of Planet X "moons". it gave Earth a gaping wound where the Pacific is now. all that "continental drift" is attempts by the Earth crust to "heal" itself, fill the gap.

"objects of approximate same size" it says, read it more carefully.
 Quoting: andrew


Read THIS more carefully, Andrew:

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

"Where the repulsion force comes to equal the force of gravity by the time the objects in play would make contact, it builds at a rate that differs from gravity."

"The repulsion force is infinitesimally smaller than the force of gravity, but has a sharper curve so that it equals the force of gravity at the point of contact."


OK... Now what made(makes) PX slow down as it approaches the Sun?
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Nah, Andrew baby, we don't want you incarcerated.

We just want you to stop being such a dumbass.

Which may simply be beyond your meager abilities.
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Yes, we DO have a wobble:
[link to www.zetatalk.com]

wow! look what i posted re this few post before!!

where does that ZT comes from? link to GLP?

Andrew, there is no abmormal Earth wobble. That's all you need to know.
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go get your Nurnberg, you nazi!
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then, you and all those clinging to "common reason" and science are nothing but dark cultists, because you treat people who dont agree with your worldview as "subhumans" and openly call for their rights removed and possibly incarcerated.
 Quoting: andrew

No...because there's more than one criteria to be considered a cult. You only named two....the second of which isn't even true.

and cult it is! pretty violent and dangerous one!
 Quoting: andrew

And yours isn't? I guess Nancy telling me to go "drown in the pole shift" or to "find myself clinging to the side of a mountain with my limbs broken and useless" isn't considered violent in your world.
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Spelling again, andy!

Nuremburg. Nurnberg is a suburb of Mordor. 5a
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I found this article may be very fitting with ZetaTalk.

Let's see how many of these criteria fit Nancy and ZetaTalk.

Marcia Rudin's 14 Common Characteristics of a Cult

1. Members swear total allegiance to an all-powerful leader who they believe to be the Messiah.

2. Rational thought is discouraged or forbidden.

3. The cult's recruitment techniques are often deceptive.

4. The cult weakens the follower psychologically by making him or her depend upon the group to solve his or her problems.

5. The cults manipulate guilt to their advantage.

6. The cult leader makes all the career and life decision of the members.

7. Cults exist only for their own material survival and make false promises to work to improve society.

8. Cult members often work fulltime for the group for little or no pay.

9. Cult members are isolated from the outside world and any reality testing it could provide.

10. Cults are anti-woman, anti-child, and anti-family.

11. Cults are apocalyptic and believe themselves to be the remnant who will survive the soon-approaching end of the world.

12. Many cults follow an "ends justify the means" philosophy.

13. Cults, particularly in regard to their finances, are shrouded in secrecy.

14. There is frequently an aura of or potential for violence around cults.


Commentary by Nori J. Muster

If you think you might be involved in a cult, ask yourself some serious questions about the group.

Do you have to change who you are to fit in, please others?
Do they set up a duality of "us" and "them" and tell you that people outside the group are bad, less important?
Do they treat "outsiders" badly or talk behind their backs?
Do they treat members badly?
Do they give a false impression to the public?
Do they predict that society is on the brink of destruction?

Further symptoms:

Cult leaders are often psychopathic and power hungry. They teach their followers that the outside world is evil; that the cult offers the only salvation. This creates an atmosphere of isolation, leading to hopelessness.

Cult recruiters target people with low self-esteem, presenting the group as a loving surrogate family. Members are taught to do whatever the family asks. They must repress their individuality and work for the good of the group.

New people may receive red carpet treatment, but once they are established members, they may be exploited and abused. They may alter their personalities to please authority figures and fit into the group.

Cult leaders preach that society is on the brink of destruction, reinforced by isolating their members and controlling the flow of information within the cult. They manipulate members with guilt and fear.

Cults try to portray themselves as benign and may hide undesirable aspects of their operation from the public and from members. Thus the stereotype of "blind" followers.
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debunked already
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Since you either missed this or ignored it, I'll post it again:

As we all know, Nancy had some images taken at coordinates given to her by the "Zetas" and then those images were analyzed with Nancy declaring that "Planet X" was found. Whether it was or wasn't isn't really important. But, that leaves me with some questions: If "Planet X" is here now, as Nancy and Gerard maintain, then why hasn't she gotten the location from the "Zetas" and had someone she trusts take some new images? They could easily obtain their own telescope and do it. Since "Planet X" is supposedly somewhere near the sun, they wouldn't have needed an elaborate and expensive telescope. They could probably get everything they needed for around $500. Or, they could go all out. Hap offered the use of his professional grade equipment. All Nancy had to do was go herself or appoint someone she trusted to do it for her. This would have been the best solution. For one thing, we know the equipment would have been of good quality and properly set up. Second, we know the observation methods used would be sound. Third, there would be witnesses...bunker and debunker. And finally, if "Planet X" was found...it would have been done on equipment owned by a debunker. All of this would have made it the ultimate win-win situation for Nancy. There would be no more debate or argument. They'd be able to rub our little debunker noses in it. And yet, none of them have tried either method. Why? Gerard...Andrew? Care to explain that one?
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debunked already
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Yes, Nancy was debunked long ago. Thank you for confirming that.
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I'm curious too, andrew. Why won't you guys agree to a search for PX on real equipment?

Afraid of what you won't find?
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Guess you love Lenin, little communist boy ?

he was a true idealist, unlike what has come after him - Stalins purge. Stalin was in Lenin's surrounding and he (Stalin) was eager for power from the very beginning, and had secret disdain for Lenin, exactly because his idealism and dedication, which were not in Stalins intent.

You are so stupid Andrew ... unbelievable ... look here:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The campaign of mass repressions was officially initiated as retribution for the assassination of Petrograd Cheka leader Moisei Uritsky, and attempted assassination of Vladimir Lenin by Fanya Kaplan on August 30, 1918. While recovering from his wounds, Lenin instructed: "It is necessary - secretly and urgently to prepare the terror" [10] Even before the assassinations, Lenin was sending telegrams "to introduce mass terror" in Nizhny Novgorod in response to a suspected civilian uprising there, and "crush" landowners in Penza who protested, sometimes violently, to requisition of their grain by military detachments:[2]

"Comrades!... You must make example of these people. (1) Hang (I mean hang publicly, so that people see it) at least 100 kulaks, rich bastards, and known bloodsuckers. (2) Publish their names. (3) Seize all their grain. (4) Single out the hostages per my instructions in yesterday's telegram."

Five hundred "representatives of overthrown classes" were executed immediately by the Bolshevik communist government after the assassination of Uritsky [3]."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 783724


the fault with communism was not the concept but the spiritual orientation of those practicing it. Greed, selfish interest, and lack of care for others ruined it for all. Those who speak of communism as an evil are primarily interested in capitalism as a replacement, so that greed, self interest, and lack of care for others can be more extreme.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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Hi ya all!

And yes, Zetatalk is not a cult...

Peace


Why do you believe what Nancy tells you?


Hello Menow! Hope all is well... and I think no answer would suffice to satisfy what would be of your rational belief in your judgement and conclusion on this subject... but thats ok! I as well am a bit watchful of our earthquakes at the moment, and feeling for Mother Earth...
Take care man! We are in these times together regardless of what you think of me! ;)

Peace


Your response is full of judgement of me and lacking any direct response to my question.
 Quoting: Menow 405501


I am sorry you do not approve! But then again, dont you already have judgement upon me? Already a conclusion and view upon my person based on my beliefs?

Peace
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Communism, schomommunism. That's a cop-out post, Andrew; nobody here gives a rat's ass about Lenin.

Answer some of the questions put to you.
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then, you and all those clinging to "common reason" and science are nothing but dark cultists, because you treat people who dont agree with your worldview as "subhumans" and openly call for their rights removed and possibly incarcerated.

and cult it is! pretty violent and dangerous one!
 Quoting: andrew


All real scientists are open to new ideas if they can be proven ... ZetaTalk can not prove its claims at all.
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Hey Andrew --

Spelling, dude. Asterpoid? LOL, good one. Edit is your friend.
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but you got it and EVEN (imagine my surprise!) can guess how it should be!

i dont care about spelling, but about content.
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Nah, Andrew baby, we don't want you incarcerated.
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Not sure about that, but thats just me.
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yes, fault is a weak spot in the plates, you got it absolutely right!

But Andrew....faults are based on Earth science and you reject that.
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did i say that science is alltogether wrong? no.

that again tells more about you - you cannot think for yourself, and you surmise that others do the same.

nice try, though.
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Fine, Andrew -- I just felt sorry for you, but if you want to look like an even bigger doofus than you already do, carry on.

People who can't even spell don't make compelling arguments for anything else.

And weren't you the one who earlier posted you didn't want to send your kids to school?

Edukashun. Git you sum.
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"objects of approximate same size" it says, read it more carefully.

How are PX and the Sun of "approximate same size"?
 Quoting: Menow 405501


did Planet X and Sun collide? no.

hf
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Nah, Andrew baby, we don't want you incarcerated.

We just want you to stop being such a dumbass.

Which may simply be beyond your meager abilities.
 Quoting: Returner 997


hm, how am i a dumbass? why does it "hurt" you so much? why do YOU care at all??..
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Are you EVER going to answer the question about why the ZT faithful are so afraid of good telecopes?
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the fault with communism was not the concept but the spiritual orientation of those practicing it. Greed, selfish interest, and lack of care for others ruined it for all. Those who speak of communism as an evil are primarily interested in capitalism as a replacement, so that greed, self interest, and lack of care for others can be more extreme.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]
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You are avoiding tha point like usual ... you said a few minutes ago:
he was a true idealist, unlike what has come after him - Stalins purge. Stalin was in Lenin's surrounding and he (Stalin) was eager for power from the very beginning, and had secret disdain for Lenin, exactly because his idealism and dedication, which were not in Stalins intent.
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I proved that you were wrong since Lenin pushed "Red Terror" ... you are avoiding the point because I proved you failed.
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Communism, schomommunism. That's a cop-out post, Andrew; nobody here gives a rat's ass about Lenin.
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spelling!
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You're a dumbass because you support ZT.

ZT is composed of utter and complete dumbassery.

You support ZT, even when presented with clear evidence of ZT's dumbassery.

Thus, you are a dumbass.

QED.

And I don't care that you're a dumbass. But poking dumbasses with the sharp and pointy stick of Reason is fun.
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All real scientists are open to new ideas if they can be proven ... ZetaTalk can not prove its claims at all.
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heh! what a joke!

if they where they would never become "real" ("recognized", licenzed) scientists!
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did i say that science is alltogether wrong? no.
 Quoting: andrew

Yes, you pretty much did...or you implied it.

that again tells more about you - you cannot think for yourself, and you surmise that others do the same.

nice try, though.
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I can think for myself. That's how I know you're wrong and that's how I know Nancy is wrong.

Nice try though.
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Let's see how many of these criteria fit Nancy and ZetaTalk.

10. Cults are anti-woman, anti-child, and anti-family.

Not really ... pretty much anti-dog though :)

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Doggone! that was funny. lolsign


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All real scientists are open to new ideas if they can be proven ... ZetaTalk can not prove its claims at all.


heh! what a joke!

if they where they would never become "real" ("recognized", licenzed) scientists!
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Qout mining again, debunkers win.
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did Planet X and Sun collide? no.

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So, what's keeping them from doing so? The repulsion force wouldn't apply yet.
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