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Some have suggested that Max is indeed:

:zmax:

It's possible I suppose. Max has never posted a photo of himself.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


I think it is highly likely.
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Hmmm. ZetaMax as Nancy.

I can see that. Max is certainly vehement about defending ZT, and Max posts a lot.

Max doesn't really rant and froth at the mouth, though. Not that I've seen, anyway.

What about it, Max? 'Ere ye or ere ye not Nancy in drag?

Remember, every time you tell a lie a Zeta cries...
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I have not "failed". How can a mere "observer" to all this drama "fail"???
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Why the LIES?

You are no mere observer. You are a staunch ADVOCATE of the veracity of ZetaTalk.
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Hmmm. ZetaMax as Nancy.

I can see that. Max is certainly vehement about defending ZT, and Max posts a lot.

Max doesn't really rant and froth at the mouth, though. Not that I've seen, anyway.

What about it, Max? 'Ere ye or ere ye not Nancy in drag?

Remember, every time you tell a lie a Zeta cries...
 Quoting: Returner 997


Max doesn't rant and froth??? Where have you been?

'He' denies it of course, but the evidence is much more compelling than that for Planet X!

His whole style (even down to quoting ZT in his sig) is VERY much like Nancy's.
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Hmmm. ZetaMax as Nancy.

I can see that. Max is certainly vehement about defending ZT, and Max posts a lot.

Max doesn't really rant and froth at the mouth, though. Not that I've seen, anyway.

What about it, Max? 'Ere ye or ere ye not Nancy in drag?

Remember, every time you tell a lie a Zeta cries...


Max doesn't rant and froth??? Where have you been?

'He' denies it of course, but the evidence is much more compelling than that for Planet X!

His whole style (even down to quoting ZT in his sig) is VERY much like Nancy's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 784153

To borrow from Max's terminology, I am "on the fence" about Max being a Nancy sock puppet. I do remember a while back when Nancy couldn't post because of a modem problem. Funny thing was that Max also took a holiday for the duration of Nancy's downtime, and reappeared again when Nancy's modem was fixed. Things that make you wonder.
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Well, if Nancy/Max share the same modem...

Hiya, Nancy! Been a while. Glad to see the whole fruitcake end-o-days gig is keeping you busy.

Oh look, behind you! Is that a 5 inch Schmidt-Cassegrain?

Made you jump!
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Another interesting thing is that Max surfaced around the time when elle, that kooky menapausal sock puppet went on her permanent camping trip. Elle used to endlessly bump Nancy's pages, she was a "neighbor" that didn't have her own computer, so she posted on Nancy's. That is, until elle and Nancy screwed up the logins and elle got sent camping. She hasn't been back since. Enter ZetaMax. LOL.
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I remember Elle. Yeah, it's coming back to me now -- 'Elle' was obviously Nancy from the start, which made her explanations and protestations doubly amusing.

Nice to know that some things never change!
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I have published in an academic settings and know the pitfalls of that arena.
 Quoting: George B 758858


In which field? Psychology? Philosophy? PoliSci? Womyn's Studies?, Theology? Playground Planning? Your subsequent statements make it clear it wasn't in any of the hard-sciences or math.


Blah, blah, blah ... an insulting, lying, anti-science conspiracy kookrant.
 Quoting: George B 758858


Fail. You've never published in any hard-science venue or you've since gone insane. Probably due to the conspiracy to keep your revolutionary work suppressed. Your knowledge of the process seems to be based on sci-fi movies and the X-Files.

You want to publish a Free Energy Theory? No problem. Gather your data, review the prior literature, write your paper. If your theory is supported by all the data, both past and present; and if it explains something previously unexplainable or describes something previously unknown; and if it makes predictions which are testable; and if it is consistent with what is known; it will get published. If it overturns previous theories you may be taking a trip to Stockholm. Note I said it can overturn previous theories. That is the essence of scientific inquiry. It cannot, however, overturn or ignore facts. That is crack-pottery and the conspirators of TPTB will suppress it... with much laughter and ridicule.

Cold fusion? The same as above. You're theory can't have clauses that in essence state, "Here the blah...blah, then the magic occurs here, then the blah...blah..."

In other words - No fairy-tales allowed. Don't like it? Tough. Go take a few courses in creative writing and write-up your "theory" as a fantasy sci-fi novel because What you have isn't science.

You're following the kOOk m.o. quite transparently.

R.
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I know that Dr. P has seen information that suggests to him that Max is his own person, and I respect that. I just can't ignore other tidbits that suggest the opposite. I mean, there are ways around it. Even if Max is a different person, he is obviously someone very close to Nancy. At the very least, it is very obvious that Max is not on any fence.
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No, we can all agree that, whoever Max may be, he is a ZTer to the bone. No fence-sitting at all.
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A little levity for the debunkers.

Here's a comedian who gets it.




Have fun.


R.
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Thanks!
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and as for me, no i will NOT "give up" on ZetaTalk when 2015 arrives.
 Quoting: andrew


But do you really think Ms LIEDer will still be around to keep Zetatalk functioning on the web/glp? And by around I directly mean that to be "maybe Nancy will decide to retire by then to a life devoid of SOZT...EOZT".

Maybe you, Andrew, with the help of your girlfriend of course could begin a Zetatalk version 2.0 for the web. I'm sure you could set this up in that isolated village stronghold that you dream of residing in.

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And yet, ANOTHER BIG QUAKE!

[link to timesofindia.indiatimes.com]

zetasbillb
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


100percent There you go again, Melfy!!. I mean do we really have to go over this old ground to show the stupidity of Zetatalk's claims in regards to earthquakes.

So, according to your logic, Melfy, earthquakes(large and frequent?)directly relate to the presence of Ms LIEDer's rogue planet in our inner Solar System?

lol4me Well in that case, Melfster the rogue planet, as described by Zetababble, has always been here. Thus the rogue planet must be either in continual earth orbit or continually stuck by our Sun.

lol4me Melfy I thought you had enough brains not to be such a dumb ass2
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It appears JWD has some explainin to do!
How can somebody make observations like these and then turn around and say he didn't see this?

Either he saw it, or he didn't see it. He can't have it both ways. He gives detailed observations, and then he takes it all back ... later ... I don't think so!

Credibility a big ZERO.



exactly
 Quoting: andrew


The bunkers are getting desperate.

Why are you guys so afraid of JWD?

It's because JWD has a First Hand account/testimony that basically rips apart the fallacy that Ms LIEDer's rogue planet was ever imaged as she so vehemently claims.

And what have you bunker believers got in comparison?




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Face it, ZTers, ZetaTalk is about one barrel of Very Special Kool-Aid from being a cult, and you guys know it...
 Quoting: Returner 997


good_shit

RUN BUNKERS!! RUN!!
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I see that Andrew has, once again, run away from the challenge of his claim that there are no contradictions in Zetatalk.

Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 405501


Andrew believes that there are no contradictions contained within the writings of Zetatalk?

Hey Andrew......with such statements you are gonna get smacked down with overwhelming evidence that reveals the opposite to your delusional reality dude

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and as for me, no i will NOT "give up" on ZetaTalk when 2015 arrives.
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Then you are even more brainwashed and more ignorant than even I suspected. Do they water you three times a week?
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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I appreciate the responses and sources you provide. While none of us has ALL the answers, I am finding a wealth of information and knowledge covering a broad range of scientific facts and theories on this thread from those posting here.


That's part of why I debunk. The bunkers won't learn anything
but hopefully those they wish to convince will see the other
side of the claim, and at the same time in researching my
reply I learn so much more about science. This is educational
for me. It's frustrating for the bunkers though. I guess
some of them enjoy verbal gymnastics but beyond that this
can't be all that pleasant for them to defend something without
any proof.
 Quoting: DrPostman


Great attitude! I like your thoughts there Dr. P

Much easier to not go there than to end up indoctrinated into a cult.

Being de-programmed is a bitch.

Peace
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I've noticed that ZetaMax and Nancy use similar metaphors. But I think it is unlikely they are the same.

Throughout the years of observation, it is very clear that whenever Nancy wishes to defend herself (when not Zetatalking), she can't resist personal attacks.

She routinely uses character assassination tactics. ZetaTalk itself espouses and relies on its own "track record", for instance, and does not feel it has to corroborate or be corroborated by anything else. If Zetamax truly were Nancy, I don't believe she would be able to suppress this tendency. ZetaMax is too playful with his opponents to be Nancy.
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I have published in an academic settings and know the pitfalls of that arena.


In which field? Psychology? Philosophy? PoliSci? Womyn's Studies?, Theology? Playground Planning? Your subsequent statements make it clear it wasn't in any of the hard-sciences or math.



Blah, blah, blah ... an insulting, lying, anti-science conspiracy kookrant.


Fail. You've never published in any hard-science venue or you've since gone insane. Probably due to the conspiracy to keep your revolutionary work suppressed. Your knowledge of the process seems to be based on sci-fi movies and the X-Files.

You want to publish a Free Energy Theory? No problem. Gather your data, review the prior literature, write your paper. If your theory is supported by all the data, both past and present; and if it explains something previously unexplainable or describes something previously unknown; and if it makes predictions which are testable; and if it is consistent with what is known; it will get published. If it overturns previous theories you may be taking a trip to Stockholm. Note I said it can overturn previous theories. That is the essence of scientific inquiry. It cannot, however, overturn or ignore facts. That is crack-pottery and the conspirators of TPTB will suppress it... with much laughter and ridicule.

Cold fusion? The same as above. You're theory can't have clauses that in essence state, "Here the blah...blah, then the magic occurs here, then the blah...blah..."

In other words - No fairy-tales allowed. Don't like it? Tough. Go take a few courses in creative writing and write-up your "theory" as a fantasy sci-fi novel because What you have isn't science.

You're following the kOOk m.o. quite transparently.

R.
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In my early days did research and published in Industrial Psychology using computerized regression analysis and liner programming models to optimize natural resource allocations, to do cost benefit analysis, vocational interest instruments, intelligence tests, etc. The research and publications were used by the governments to eliminate programs, optimize physical resource utilization, maximize outcomes to personnel allocations and maximize the efficiency of education. Much of our findings were briefed to the highest level of government including the Congress and Department of Defense. Many decisions were made based on our findings both fortunately and unfortunately. In may later years I was involved in the instigation and promotion of medical and life science research to include synthetic blood and the emergency use of clotting factors in an attempt to limiting internal bleeding due to blunt trauma as well as the development of computerized medical treatment records to assist and suggest through different schemes diagnosis analysis and coding using CPT4, ICD9 and ICD10 coding. If you do not consider these hard science . . . what is your criteria? The use of statistical analysis to measure, analyze and predict outcomes at desired minimal threshold levels from a set of factors that have been chosen for their predictive significance. While this may not be Quantum Physics, I dare say we use the scientific method as well as anyone.
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In my early days did research and published in Industrial Psychology using computerized regression analysis and liner programming models to optimize natural resource allocations, to do cost benefit analysis, vocational interest instruments, intelligence tests, etc. The research and publications were used by the governments to eliminate programs, optimize physical resource utilization, maximize outcomes to personnel allocations and maximize the efficiency of education. Much of our findings were briefed to the highest level of government including the Congress and Department of Defense. Many decisions were made based on our findings both fortunately and unfortunately. In may later years I was involved in the instigation and promotion of medical and life science research to include synthetic blood and the emergency use of clotting factors in an attempt to limiting internal bleeding due to blunt trauma as well as the development of computerized medical treatment records to assist and suggest through different schemes diagnosis analysis and coding using CPT4, ICD9 and ICD10 coding. If you do not consider these hard science . . . what is your criteria? The use of statistical analysis to measure, analyze and predict outcomes at desired minimal threshold levels from a set of factors that have been chosen for their predictive significance. While this may not be Quantum Physics, I dare say we use the scientific method as well as anyone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 758858


Care to point out what in all that you consider science?

By science I don't mean applied business math or computer programming. I'd hardly call a CPA or CFO or Business Manager or a Statistician a scientist. I'd hardly call a computer programmer a scientist. I don't think they'd call themselves "scientist" either.
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All we can do is enjoy the dream, make it as pleasant and rewarding as possible. By focusing on doom, you are turning your dreaming into a nightmare. What a waste of a dream.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


How true.
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Care to point out what in all that you consider science?

By science I don't mean applied business math or computer programming. I'd hardly call a CPA or CFO or Business Manager or a Statistician a scientist. I'd hardly call a computer programmer a scientist. I don't think they'd call themselves "scientist" either.
 Quoting: Reality420 759220


BTW - that is not to denigrate those professions. They are every bit as useful as scientists - sometimes much more useful. It is just that they are not science.

By your answer I see I was correct. You haven't published a scientific paper and haven't a clue what science is all about. By "hard-science" I mean what everyone else means - the natural sciences: Biology, Chemistry, Physics and their subgroups. By "soft-science" I mean the social-sciences, those having their foundation in human activity. One generally has theories that are very precise, the other has theories that are generally fuzzy, subject to the actions of humans. One tries to detatch the human element from tainting its inquiry, the other *requires* the human element.

PX is purported to be a physical, non-human body. It is not a psychological or social entity. It should be amenable to scientific investigation if it weren't that it also seems to have magical properties.

If you want to discuss the percentage of people who will irrationally panic in an enclosed space when subjected to stress, you may have the education to do that.
If you want to discuss implementing JIT across an international corporate structure, you may have the education to do that.
You obviously do not have the education to discuss natural science.
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Well, if travel expenses are a problem, I have the solution!

Since the Zetas, according to Nancy, have the ability to conceal Earth's orbit halt by 'tilting' the planet, surely they can use their amazing technology to transport a couple of ZTers a few hundred miles! And if that's too much trouble, couldn't they at least spring for a pair of bus tickets?

Or do they only directly influence planetary bodies and wrapped candies?

Oh - I'm SURE we have been! And that it is recorded in our subconscious - which explains why we feel so "confident" in our position.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



so what is this `we' and `our position'

Is the fenceshitter (FINALLY) admitting he is indeed



NO FENCESHITTER??????
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BTW- all Yahoo Geocities sites are closing within days- so if you have one- or you have one in your favourites- save a copy locally because they will all soon be gone

:-(


so many loonies websites gone for good

but look on the bright side


:-)


so many loonies websites gone for good
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ZetaMax is too playful with his opponents to be Nancy.
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Maybe....maybe not.

I am still not convinced that Melfy is or is not Nancy in sockpuppet form. It doesn't really matter one way or the other to me. As far as I am concerned Melfy fronts for Nancy, as her biggest cheerleader, on a thread where she knows she will be exposed and confronted with knowledge and facts that reveal her fraudulent claims everytime. She has been exposed this way for years now but has no power in this thread whatsoever to ban people or alter/delete postings to her advantage. So Melfy basically is her right hand spokeperson regardless of what Melfy says to the contrary.

And remember when it came to a certain sockpuppet on GLP that claimed never to be actually Nancy but her neighbour....well we know how that turned out. And in that particular sockpuppets case it possessed differing mood swings as well. It could be as friendly as one day and then agitated and demeaning in nature the next.

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ZetaMax is too playful with his opponents to be Nancy.


Maybe....maybe not.

I am still not convinced that Melfy is or is not Nancy in sockpuppet form. It doesn't really matter one way or the other to me. As far as I am concerned Melfy fronts for Nancy, as her biggest cheerleader, on a thread where she knows she will be exposed and confronted with knowledge and facts that reveal her fraudulent claims everytime. She has been exposed this way for years now but has no power in this thread whatsoever to ban people or alter/delete postings to her advantage. So Melfy basically is her right hand spokeperson regardless of what Melfy says to the contrary.

And remember when it came to a certain sockpuppet on GLP that claimed never to be actually Nancy but her neighbour....well we know how that turned out. And in that particular sockpuppets case it possessed differing mood swings as well. It could be as friendly as one day and then agitated and demeaning in nature the next.

:elle:
 Quoting: The Lone Ranger


I think The Melfster is N.L., but I could be wrong, it's just a theory - I'm not going to 'go ballistic' if you disagree, or if I am proved wrong (please feel free ZM!).

'Nancy' is very complex. She is schizoid IMO, and has multiple 'personas', just like Planet X (used to....where have the various personas gone??). She has pretended to be other people in the past, and has been caught at it.

If Melf-The-Great-Zeta-Apologist-Extraordinaire isn't Nancy he badly needs to get a PERSONA of his own!

:5:
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Well, if travel expenses are a problem, I have the solution!

Since the Zetas, according to Nancy, have the ability to conceal Earth's orbit halt by 'tilting' the planet, surely they can use their amazing technology to transport a couple of ZTers a few hundred miles! And if that's too much trouble, couldn't they at least spring for a pair of bus tickets?

Or do they only directly influence planetary bodies and wrapped candies?

Oh - I'm SURE we have been! And that it is recorded in our subconscious - which explains why we feel so "confident" in our position.



so what is this `we' and `our position'

Is the fenceshitter (FINALLY) admitting he is indeed



NO FENCESHITTER??????
 Quoting: sees all 763624


lol4me I know. Talk about Max inserting foot in mouth again!!

Now watch Max explain yet another slip up by spinning whatever billshit comes to mind.
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