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Fence Sitting Test 2# = FAIL!!

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I would really like to know why Max continues to say he's a "fence sitter." Even a newcomer to GLP would say Max isn't based on his posts. Nor is User for that matter considering he attacks everything "debunkers" say.
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And I'm sorry about Chicago's loss of the Olympics. Even with Obama and Oprah stumping for it, there was just no getting away from the tragic and lamentable fact that Chicago is in Chicago...
 Quoting: Returner 997

I don't think Chicago would have been any worse than Beijing.
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Fence Sitting Test 2# = FAIL!!



I would really like to know why Max continues to say he's a "fence sitter." Even a newcomer to GLP would say Max isn't based on his posts. Nor is User for that matter considering he attacks everything "debunkers" say.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Some more found here. Better than cross-your-heart bra support for Nancy.

From here.
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat April 18 (Page 39)

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Yeah I noticed that too. Every time I am almost convinced that Max is not Nancy, something like this pops up and makes me wonder again. Notice how Max avoids anything of substance and picks out the safe trivial bits to reply to.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553451


Or writes as Nancy.. vis.


D) His "ability" to produce the time and date that Nancy uses the LOO, suggests that he is indeed attached to some form of espionage organization
Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Paranoia

i) HER INDISPUTABLE SINCERITY - she obviously REALLY believed the pole shift was IMMINENT, which destroys all the de-bunkers' tiresome claims that she is some kind of chronic lier.
Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


No, simply mentally unsound.

iv) That BUT-FOR the sincere conviction that Earth was days away from a pole shift, she would NOT have done this.
Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


One moment the dog is dangerous the next quote you would not have put the dog down.

B) How is this "BAD ADVICE" when indeed "an impending pole-shift BECOMES obvious" once preliminary signs such as three-days-of-darkness, six days of sunrise west, roiling monster red comet in the sky, etc, BEGIN TO MANIFEST??? Everything Nancy has stated is otherwise TRUE and COMPELLING.
Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


NONE of the above has ever happended so it is obviously bad advice.

i) There won't be food for pets, unless such food has been denied to other surviving humans - which in all likelyhood includes children in the IMMEDIATE AREA.
Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


But the death of 6 billion humans will leave a LOT of animal food lying around.

ii) Unless guarded with firearms 24-7, along with a willingness to KILL HUMANS rather than pets, the pet certainly WILL NOT survive and become DINNER long before it succumbs to starvation.
Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


The chinese consider dog a delicacy, either way the humans are better off.

D) FINALLY - the INCREDIBLE HYPOCRISY of ANYONE who villianizes Nancy for this, while at the same time munching on a ham sandwich! It is widely held that pigs are more intelligent than dogs, yet they are butchered daily for billions of people to enjoy. If what Nancy did was "evil" - how is it "moreso" than what happens in slaughter houses EACH AND EVERY DAY????
Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


The dog is a PET Nancy, the pig, cow, sheep, lamb etc. is bred for consumption.

HOWEVER ... with a microphone in your face, a skeptical cross-examining host asking loaded questions, live radio, AND THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE - hardly anyone is going to produce a "COMPLETE ANSWER". A partial truth is a VERY dangerous thing, and in fact, often is itself:

A LIE.
Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


So lets guess at the reality, Nancy has her dog put down for whatever reason, (happens all the time) then in a moment of zeta spinning throws the dog into the "I did it for the zetas" story of the day, it backfires badly and Nancy gets really bad press, so Nancy tries to spin the story again and ends up looking worse.

How's that?

So THANK YOU Prof-Rabbit for producing this, because genuine or not, this "questionable document" does MORE DAMAGE to your undermining-campaign, than it does to help it --- when examined from ALL angles.
Quoting: ***ZetaMax***
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The real ***ZetaMax***: A history of hypocrisy.

3# "I will respond once to this. I am NOT amused. I support Nancy, the Zetas and all they are working to accomplish. I have not participated in the chats because NANCY and the Zetas are the focus. It is their stage - not mine. If I participate in the chats - I do it anonomously AND ALWAYS WILL.

As always --- THANKS NANCY (and Zetas too!)"

ZetaMax

***ZetaMax*** 8/4/2007.
Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat Aug 4 (Page 5)

Melfy supports ALL that Nancy and the Zetas are working to accomplish. Yet just recently Melfy declares that it is all of a sudden irrelevant if Planet X shows up or not. Nancy will not be amused.

Fence Sitting Test 3# = EXTREME FAIL!!


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Good job...Max exposed himself.
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Beijing didn't even offer a breathable atmosphere!
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Wow, that just proves what I've suspected of Max since I got here -- he's either Nancy herself or a well-trained acolyte.

Fence sitter, ha ha!
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And another from Max supporting Nancy and fumbling the ball.




SEMBLENCE is the key word the Flunkster wishes you NOT to know. This range varys everywhere from a small moon to the sun - but not a basketball. Flunk-Lier would have you believe that Zetas meant only PRECISELY equal - which of course is absurd.
Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Yawn, you make this too easy...

Unaware of a repulsive force, also inherent in gravity, is that for this to become evident there must be a semblance of equality in size and weight, i.e. the mass of the objects
Quoting: zetamax


Earth "Mass: 6,600,000,000,000,000,000,000 (6.6 sextillion) short tons (6.0 sextillion metric tons).

"The Solar System is dominated by the Sun, which has a mass of about 2 × 10 to the 30th kg. This is about 343,000 times the mass of the Earth."

At the start of ZetaTalk on Jul 15, 1995, The Zetas described Planet X as having 23 times the mass of Earth.
Quoting: zetatalk


Well look at that! about a glass marble to a giant bowling ball! No repulsion here folks!

The gravitational force exists first. It is the static condition. The repulsion phenomena only manifests when, as we said, the objects are of equal size, are free to move, and dominate the immediate environment. Where the repulsion force comes to equal the force of gravity by the time the objects in play would make contact, it builds at a rate that differs from gravity.......
Quoting: zetamax


AND

For experimental purposes, one would have to be almost at the point of contact for it to come into play at all, and this in an environment where other factors are eliminated or
negated. To examine the phenomena, Earth scientists would have to set up a lab in space, far enough away from any planetary body so that free movement is possible.

Place two balls in a cage. Put one in motion toward another. Microscopically examine the interchange. They do not touch. They do not bounce off one another. They do not touch.
Quoting: zetamax



These are your words, not mine, - note again your Px could be swallowed by a good sized sunspot, I think even you can see the errors in your concept, "microscopic interchange"? crispy fried zetas!
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WHOA!!!!!!! Hold the phone peeps, I have the undeniable proof that planet X is real after all.....JUST LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......


Brakes is gone!! "Weeze fweewheelin!"

Just say "NO!" to Luciferian Insectazoids.

"I am not here"...what is here?..Isn't here just there without a T...?
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Repulsion Force *and* satellites in an atmosphere!

ZetaMax, thy name is Comedy!

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WHOA!!!!!!! Hold the phone peeps, I have the undeniable proof that planet X is real after all.....JUST LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......


 Quoting: Thundercheeks

And here, all this time, the government has been tuning in to ZetaTalk for everything they needed to know about "Planet X" when all they needed to do was contact WB and watch cartoons.
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good point, CB.

I also think Nancy and ZetaMax get a lot of their hard science from old WB cartoons...
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Where is Max today? Is he, perhaps, embarrassed that his past has come back to haunt him?
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Is Nancy also absent?

Maybe they're off somewhere pushing bowling balls together to prove they can never touch.
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Seems that Andrew is not willing to defend his silly claim that there are no contradictions in Zetatalk.
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Maybe Andrew is even now in a deep state of meditation, hoping the all-knowing Zetas will provide him with the insight he needs to prove that ZT is non-contradictory.

Trouble is, the Zetas are currently broadcasting nothing but a format-free jazz program...
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I think they're all in their weekly meeting with Nancy, discussing some of her blunders over the weekend and coming up with some ideas for damage control. Sources have it that Max brings in Dunkin Donuts, Andrew supplies the coffee and Gerard brings in some bagels. Rumor has it that Nancy is preparing for her eventual retirement and is searching for a replacement. Apparently, there's going to be a contest. Each member will pull a Starburst fruit chew out of a hat. Whoever gets the one without a wrapper becomes the new emissary.
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Trouble is, the Zetas are currently broadcasting nothing but a format-free jazz program...
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Can I get that on HD radio or Sirius/XM?
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Sadly, CB, you may not.

The only way to receive the direct transmissions of the Zetas is to free your mind of all its human encumberances. You must let go of guilt, and greed, and math, and physics, and geology, and astronomy, and...

Basically, as soon as your toaster has a better grasp of reality than you, you are ready to receive ZetaTalk Astral Radio!
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I see that somebody on Nancy's thread is challenging her "crosses the Solar System in 3 months" claim. The rest don't want to touch it except to bray "WHITE LIE... WHITE LIE..".

It's hilarious.
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Sadly, CB, you may not.

The only way to receive the direct transmissions of the Zetas is to free your mind of all its human encumberances. You must let go of guilt, and greed, and math, and physics, and geology, and astronomy, and...

Basically, as soon as your toaster has a better grasp of reality than you, you are ready to receive ZetaTalk Astral Radio!
 Quoting: Returner 997

Would LSD have the same effect?
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I see that somebody on Nancy's thread is challenging her "crosses the Solar System in 3 months" claim. The rest don't want to touch it except to bray "WHITE LIE... WHITE LIE..".

It's hilarious.
 Quoting: Menow 405501

I saw that. And Nancy was kind of rude to the person...as was User (nothing new there). I don't see why. The person asking the question wasn't rude or condescending in any way.
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If one wishes to understand why people may run across ZetaTalk and without a significant amount of study and discernment be intrigued by Nancy’s illusionary universe. See Below:

Pope John Paul II
in Fulda, Germany (1980)

[link to www.fatima.org]

The October 1981 issue of the German magazine Stimme des Glaubens reported on a discussion that Pope John Paul II had with a select group of German Catholics, in November of 1980. The following is a verbatim report of the discussion:1
Text of the Published Report
The Holy Father was asked, "What about the Third Secret of Fatima? Should it not have already been published by 1960?"
Pope John Paul II replied: "Given the seriousness of the contents, my predecessors in the Petrine office diplomatically preferred to postpone publication so as not to encourage the world power of Communism to make certain moves.
"On the other hand, it should be sufficient for all Christians to know this: if there is a message in which it is written that the oceans will flood whole areas of the earth, and that from one moment to the next millions of people will perish, truly the publication of such a message is no longer something to be so much desired."
The Pope continued: "Many wish to know simply from curiosity and a taste for the sensational, but they forget that knowledge also implies responsibility. They only seek the satisfaction of their curiosity, and that is dangerous if at the same time they are not disposed to do something, and if they are convinced that it is impossible to do anything against evil."
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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George, what do YOU believe? Do YOU see any truth in any of Nancy's claims?
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I think they're all in their weekly meeting with Nancy, discussing some of her blunders over the weekend and coming up with some ideas for damage control. Sources have it that Max brings in Dunkin Donuts, Andrew supplies the coffee and Gerard brings in some bagels. Rumor has it that Nancy is preparing for her eventual retirement and is searching for a replacement. Apparently, there's going to be a contest. Each member will pull a Starburst fruit chew out of a hat. Whoever gets the one without a wrapper becomes the new emissary.
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Would that be a tinfoil hat?
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George, what do YOU believe? Do YOU see any truth in any of Nancy's claims?
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You have to understand that I only discovered ZetaTalk about five months ago and GPL only a little over a month ago. For about a year I was doing an extensive review of many of the other sites regarding Extinction Level Events (ELEs) and Exopolitics and was trying to make sense of them all. I was just really digging into the debunking of the theories when I stumbled across ZetaTalk. Nancy on first glance has a neat bundle of theories to answer many questions. The problem was they were in areas I had no true knowledge of so I was looking for experts to answer some of the questions. My feeling now is expressed in an email . . . see below:

To answer your second question I have read and seen much of what Marshall Masters has presented. I have not read the 2012 Survival Guide but have read other similar works. He seems very thorough, logical and optimistic when it comes to human potential. He however is quite successful selling his products . . . something to always remember. There is some controversy over the authenticity of the Kolbrin Bible which he is the prime promoter of.

My conclusions have changed a bit since we last talked. The lady Nancy Leider of Zeta Talk [link to www.zetatalk.com] I have found to be unreliable. She I think could be a whack job. When one investigates the highly technical side of Orbital Mechanics, Astronomy and Physics you find much of her factual data is suspect. Her supporters I feel have been taken over by a frenzy to prove her philosophy in spite of conventional wisdom . . . because it makes a lot of sense at an intuitive level . I found many of the technical people who first supported her early on have abandoned her and are trying to debunk her positions. She has an interesting bundle of answers for most questions; however, she is not restrained by conventional science or logic and publishes quasi-scientific theory which when measured against known data doesn't stand the test of truth. However, this is not easily detected unless your are a competent expert in the areas of Astronomy, etc. The photos of the second sun and SOHO photos are very explainable by experts who have convinced me she is using the grey area of science and digital photography peculiarities (i.e. digital noise, etc.). to her benefit.

In general many people within the Disclosure and Exopolitics (UFO) communities end up at odd with each other . . . either by design or by nature. They somehow find their previous friends to be tainted by some unacceptable theory or finding they themselves can not accept. Either their positions are truly unsupportable or there are individuals and or organizations in the business of discrediting them . . . or a combination of the two. The truth is very, very hard to discern.

The same may be true of much of the 2012 movement. People looking for answers and finding plausible and intriguing connections which may be only wishful thinking in the final analysis. To complicate the situation few people in the know trust NASA or the U.S. government and don't trust anything they say because of their history of misinformation, etc. So to verify anything through NASA is usually a waste of time and effort. My feeling is listen and learn from a broad range of sources and weigh their positions against sound logic. Always remember that may people are motivated by money and fame and the truth sometimes is way down their list of priorities. I have always found that the truth between vastly opposing positions in science, business, management, etc. is always somewhere in the middle. So I expect the same may be true here. The only thing I am willing to bet on is that we don't know the real truth!

Last Edited by George B on 10/05/2009 01:31 PM
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Where is Max today? Is he, perhaps, embarrassed that his past has come back to haunt him?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

Embarrassed? About what? I am merely a "speculator" - allowing generous leeway for my mental meanderings. I find it consistently amusing how the debunkers treat discussion of Zetatalk as if it were a doctoral thesis!
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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No, Max baby, we treat it like the train-wreck ball of crap it is!
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I am merely a "speculator"
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Yeah, a "speculator" that always speculates in favor of Nancy and ZetaTalk.

I find it consistently amusing how the debunkers treat discussion of Zetatalk as if it were a doctoral thesis!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

I find it consistently amusing how you treat discussion of ZetaTalk as if it were the holy grail. It's also amusing how you continue to claim you're a "fence sitter" when it's quite obvious to all that you aren't.
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Here is another reason someone may listen to Nancy . . .


Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B

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