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Here is another reason someone may listen to Nancy . . .


 Quoting: George B


She's a caring person.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Here is another reason someone may listen to Nancy . . .


 Quoting: George B

I remember hearing something about this...I think on Coast to Coast. When did this happen?
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"She's a caring person."

Ruff ruff!

What's that, Fido?

Ruff ruff ruff ruff!

She did WHAT?
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Im not really sure but from the discussion it appears to be several years ago. . .

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It's certainly very interesting. I was listening to Coast to Coast the other night and the discussion was centered on UFOs seen near missile silos over the years.
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The reason people listen to someone like Nancy is that no one has the knowledge or wisdom to answer the questions like below:


Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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It's certainly very interesting. I was listening to Coast to Coast the other night and the discussion was centered on UFOs seen near missile silos over the years.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker



I have a Youtube somewhere that has this discussion on it . . . I will try to find it . . . I know it is on the long version of Dr. Greer's two hour presentation at the National Press Club in May 2001. Unfortunately, it is about two hours long.



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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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We don't get answers, just more and more questions . . . Nancy does not mind answering questions that others can't or won't answer. She may be crazy but she will answer the questions . . .



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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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We don't get answeres, just more and more questions . . . Nancy does not mind answering questions that others can't or won't answer. She may be crazy but she will answer the questions . . .
 Quoting: George B

Yes, but what good does it do if the answers are wrong?
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We don't get answeres, just more and more questions . . . Nancy does not mind answering questions that others can't or won't answer. She may be crazy but she will answer the questions . . .

Yes, but what good does it do if the answers are wrong?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

The jury is still out.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Actually, Max, the jury not only returned, but issued a verdict and were thanked by the judge before returning to their lives in 2003.

And the verdict?

"She's just a nutty old woman who really needs a regimen of Thorazine."
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We don't get answeres, just more and more questions . . . Nancy does not mind answering questions that others can't or won't answer. She may be crazy but she will answer the questions . . .

Yes, but what good does it do if the answers are wrong?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


I agree with you . . . I am just trying to illustrate why someone like Nancy can sustain such a successful campaign against the supposedly rational universe we are supposed to be living in. Why can't all our vaunted Politicians, Scientists, Religious Leaders not give as logical a fairytale to answer just these few examples . . . I have tons more to illustrate if you would like.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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The jury is still out.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Not as far as you're concerned. You give the impression that the jury came back with a "Zetas right again" verdict.

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Nancy does mind answering questions. She still hasn't answered my first question, which I asked nicely of her back in 2006. She says that the earth has been stopped in orbit since 2003. My question was, how then do ancient monoliths and structures continue to mark the solstices and equinoxes as they have for thousands of years, on time and in front of thousands of people that witness these events every year.

Nancy's answer was that I should go back and read her site, that my question is answered there (it isn't which is why I asked her to clarify in the first place) and to stop wasting her time. I replied and told her that I could not find an answer on her site, and she called me a paid government shill, saying she will not answer questions that are not genuine. Her supporters then proceeded to mock me.

The closest she ever came to answering that question was to say that the zetas move the earth to simulate the seasons so that we won't freak out and lose our minds. One of her followers even called me a liar, said that these events are faked by the powers that be and others have since claimed that these events don't happen anymore, that I am making it up, when all you have to do is go to youtube to see videos taken by people of the Chichen Itza event.

Of course, when you are new and ask a question only to be flamed and accused of shilling, it tends to make you conclude that the person is running a scam, because if their claims were true they should be able to answer simple questions without attacking someone's character. Character attacks only serve to divert the attention from the issue and avoid giving an answer that further discredits the "message".


Just this weekend, she refused to answer several posters. They raised valid questions and they did so in a polite and respectful manner. Two of them got told to read ZT and one was told that she will not be answering his questions because he is just trying to interfere with her chat. Nancy cherry picks her questions. She also sets up questions for herself and has a prewritten answer at hand to paste into the chat. She was bad enough back in 2006 when all she could do was accuse debunkers of being paid shills, but when she was granted mod status, she started deleting people's posts and banning them. She has even stooped so low as to quote a person, edit the quote to suit her purposes and then delete the original.

My question is why would she have to stoop so low if she has the truth on her side? Her message should stand up to scrutiny, and since it doesn't, and she avoids situations that will make that evident, it becomes clear that she is just another wannabe internet cult leader, hoping to get in your pocket and some fame and attention.
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Here is a real good one that speaks to Nancy's appropriating evidence about Mars. . .


Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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Nancy does mind answering questions. She still hasn't answered my first question, which I asked nicely of her back in 2006. She says that the earth has been stopped in orbit since 2003. My question was, how then do ancient monoliths and structures continue to mark the solstices and equinoxes as they have for thousands of years, on time and in front of thousands of people that witness these events every year.

Nancy's answer was that I should go back and read her site, that my question is answered there (it isn't which is why I asked her to clarify in the first place) and to stop wasting her time. I replied and told her that I could not find an answer on her site, and she called me a paid government shill, saying she will not answer questions that are not genuine. Her supporters then proceeded to mock me.

The closest she ever came to answering that question was to say that the zetas move the earth to simulate the seasons so that we won't freak out and lose our minds. One of her followers even called me a liar, said that these events are faked by the powers that be and others have since claimed that these events don't happen anymore, that I am making it up, when all you have to do is go to youtube to see videos taken by people of the Chichen Itza event.

Of course, when you are new and ask a question only to be flamed and accused of shilling, it tends to make you conclude that the person is running a scam, because if their claims were true they should be able to answer simple questions without attacking someone's character. Character attacks only serve to divert the attention from the issue and avoid giving an answer that further discredits the "message".


Just this weekend, she refused to answer several posters. They raised valid questions and they did so in a polite and respectful manner. Two of them got told to read ZT and one was told that she will not be answering his questions because he is just trying to interfere with her chat. Nancy cherry picks her questions. She also sets up questions for herself and has a prewritten answer at hand to paste into the chat. She was bad enough back in 2006 when all she could do was accuse debunkers of being paid shills, but when she was granted mod status, she started deleting people's posts and banning them. She has even stooped so low as to quote a person, edit the quote to suit her purposes and then delete the original.

My question is why would she have to stoop so low if she has the truth on her side? Her message should stand up to scrutiny, and since it doesn't, and she avoids situations that will make that evident, it becomes clear that she is just another wannabe internet cult leader, hoping to get in your pocket and some fame and attention.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

Or it could be that she is indeed a Zetan emissary who simply trying to do her BEST. Unfortunately her "best" is HIGHLY "subjective" ... did you get that???


SUBJECTIVE

The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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Posted for posterity.

Posted originally at

Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat October 3 (Page 6)

Edited to include missing portion.

Nancy, you keep telling us that your imaging team imaged planet x back in 2003. However, JW Dell, who was your imaging expert, is over on the debunker thread saying that nothing was imaged. What do you say?

NancyTalk: last topic on this page.
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2003 was a shock to all who were staunch ZetaTalk fans, including Nancy herself.
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder



The alleged source of those predictions did not prove their own existence by providing co-ordinates of its inbound journey, its arrival in the Solar System, and its closest passage to earth at the dates specified. Nothing has happened then or since to support these (the Zetas) statements.

Considering that 8 years of telling the world that it absolutely, positively will cause a pole shift on Planet Earth in May 2003, the predictions of the Planet X arrival in May 2003 is a failure of epic proportions.




Our statement then was that those who took steps to move to a safer location, or to gather supplies and educate themselves, would not regret this. When we are at the cusp of having earthquakes of greater magnitude, larger tides swamping the coastlines, and increasing crop shortages driving up the cost or availability of food, our words ring true.
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


And we continue to have earthquakes, tides and crop shortages. All can be attributed to other causes rather than Planet X.

Those individuals who were embarrassed by the failure of Planet X to pass,
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


Including those like me who were embarrassed by being gullible enough to believe this story.


even though it arrived as we predicted,
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


No, it did not arrive as predicted. If you disagree with my statement, provide the present coordinates of PX and perhaps we will get to the truth of this matter.


and with great accuracy on the RA and Dec of where it could be located during the inbound flight,
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


If it did not show up in May 2003 on its Zeta provided and projected trajectory, then it was not imaged during the time it was inbound. You can't have it both ways unless this planet mysteriously vanished.

No visual sighting of PX in May 2003 = no telescope imaging in 2002/2003
If it isn't there at the end date, it wasn't there before.


defended themselves in some cases by denying all, and in particular denying their part.
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


I don't deny my part in this, and I am getting over the embarrassment of having been involved. I wouldn't wish this on anyone else, so I will warn others away from this failed prediction.

This in no way changes the facts, which are of record.
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


Earth's record for the past 6 years speaks volumes to the "facts"


It is a reflection on the individual's ability to adhere to the truth, regardless of perceived damage to personal self image.
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


My desire to adhere to the truth motivated me to speak out when presented with an opportunity. In doing this I preserve my self-image.

Any damage to my self-image and credibility occurred with the non-appearance of PX in 2003. And unlike others, I will not resort to lies of any colour to cover up my mistakes.

J.William Dell


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JWD, you really should tell Nancy that you now realize that what she was picking out in the images was only noise, etc, and not a new planet. I realize your point that if it didn't really arrive to cause a poleshift in 2003, it can't have been there to image before that, but Nancy insists it DID arrive, so she can brush your statements off in that way. Truth is, there simply WAS NO NEW PLANET in the images. It never really got brighter, even though YOU claimed it was at the time. Nancy picked out bits of noise and fluff, right at the noise floor of the images, and called them her planet... simple as that.
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PS: Your request for present coords is a good one. You won't GET them, just like she won't give coords for the "Dark Twin", but it's good to ask for them and make her refuse.
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Nancy -- I mean Max -- wrote:

"Or it could be that she is indeed a Zetan emissary who simply trying to do her BEST."

Um, no, it actually couldn't be that. There are no Zetas. Thus they have no 'emissary,' Nancy or otherwise.
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You see when people have the time and resources to investigate their world they find a lot just doesn’t make sense. Well I knew that from my early childhood and have been on the lookout ever since. When in grammar school at show-and- tell (1962), I saw a geologists hammer imbedded in what appeared to be metamorphic rock . . . the wooden handle was fossilized. I immediately knew this was not correct. Later in undergraduate school I initially majored in geology and physical anthropology. Later I did a bit of Archeology and had at least an inkling of the sacred cows that exist within these disciplines. This hammer, as far as any of these disciplines were concerned, could not exist. Well . . . look what I found . . . another Nancy moment.

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JWD, you really should tell Nancy that you now realize that what she was picking out in the images was only noise, etc, and not a new planet. I realize your point that if it didn't really arrive to cause a poleshift in 2003, it can't have been there to image before that, but Nancy insists it DID arrive, so she can brush your statements off in that way. Truth is, there simply WAS NO NEW PLANET in the images. It never really got brighter, even though YOU claimed it was at the time. Nancy picked out bits of noise and fluff, right at the noise floor of the images, and called them her planet... simple as that.
 Quoting: Menow 405501


I recognize your point belatedly. (re: noise)

At the time we were "picking noise" to indicate PX is a true statement but arguable(as it was in 2002/2003), but the truth is irrefutable that PX could not be visually sighted at the May 2003 end date.(My logic at work ;o)

It remains my intention to only post this one rebuttal to the Zetatalk thread, and resume the existing boycott.

"They" know I read this thread and I will respond here, should any further comment be necessary.

Kindest Regards
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We don't get answeres, just more and more questions . . . Nancy does not mind answering questions that others can't or won't answer. She may be crazy but she will answer the questions . . .

Yes, but what good does it do if the answers are wrong?

The jury is still out.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



No, it's not.

Zetas claim 100 percent accuracy.
Zetas claim the Earth is halted.

There is a TON of evidence showing Earth is not halted.
Zetas are therfore wrong.

Jury's in. Zetas are out.
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Or it could be that she is indeed a Zetan emissary who simply trying to do her BEST. Unfortunately her "best" is HIGHLY "subjective" ... did you get that???


SUBJECTIVE

 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Nice fence sitting Max. If Nancy is doing her best, then she is not doing very well at all, is she? Not one of her explanations or predictions has ever proved to be true. She is rude to potential followers and she likens herself to Mother Teresa and Joan of Arc, in essence (her words, not mine). I don't see why a truly evolved race of ETs would even need a human emissary. They should be able to get their message out via the internet without a fallible channel. Believe what you wish, Max, but please stop pretending you are on the fence. You fell off the fence and into Nancy's backyard long ago. I guess some people like to embarrass themselves in public.
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PS: Your request for present coords is a good one. You won't GET them, just like she won't give coords for the "Dark Twin", but it's good to ask for them and make her refuse.
 Quoting: Menow 405501

Unfortunately, Nancy can't read and interpret coordinates, so what you are likely to get is gobbledygook where RA and Dec are the same as Alt and Azimuth. She admitted fairly recently that she didn't know they weren't the same thing, but that didn't make the coordinates she has given in the past or her assessment of where things are and where they should be wrong. Hell, she still says that RA means Right Angle. You would think that the Zetas would have corrected her error long ago to ensure that the information is channeled properly and to avoid embarrassment. This tells me that the Zetas do not in fact exist. At the very least, it proves that the Zetas are not advanced enough to read a star map.
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PS: Your request for present coords is a good one. You won't GET them, just like she won't give coords for the "Dark Twin", but it's good to ask for them and make her refuse.
 Quoting: Menow 405501


There comes a day when a person has to be told to either "put up or shut up".


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PS: Your request for present coords is a good one. You won't GET them, just like she won't give coords for the "Dark Twin", but it's good to ask for them and make her refuse.

Unfortunately, Nancy can't read and interpret coordinates, so what you are likely to get is gobbledygook where RA and Dec are the same as Alt and Azimuth. She admitted fairly recently that she didn't know they weren't the same thing, but that didn't make the coordinates she has given in the past or her assessment of where things are and where they should be wrong. Hell, she still says that RA means Right Angle. You would think that the Zetas would have corrected her error long ago to ensure that the information is channeled properly and to avoid embarrassment. This tells me that the Zetas do not in fact exist. At the very least, it proves that the Zetas are not advanced enough to read a star map.
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>> it proves that the Zetas are not advanced enough to read a star map

Do you realize how STUPID you sound???

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Stupid, Max?

We're not the ones promoting the existence of super-duper alien masterminds who haven't mastered the rudiments of astronomy or the zero.

That would make YOU the stupid-sounding one.
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>> it proves that the Zetas are not advanced enough to read a star map

Do you realize how STUPID you sound???

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No, I guess I don't. Care to elaborate?
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JWD, you really should tell Nancy that you now realize that what she was picking out in the images was only noise, etc, and not a new planet. I realize your point that if it didn't really arrive to cause a poleshift in 2003, it can't have been there to image before that, but Nancy insists it DID arrive, so she can brush your statements off in that way. Truth is, there simply WAS NO NEW PLANET in the images. It never really got brighter, even though YOU claimed it was at the time. Nancy picked out bits of noise and fluff, right at the noise floor of the images, and called them her planet... simple as that.


I recognize your point belatedly. (re: noise)

At the time we were "picking noise" to indicate PX is a true statement but arguable(as it was in 2002/2003), but the truth is irrefutable that PX could not be visually sighted at the May 2003 end date.(My logic at work ;o)
 Quoting: J.William Dell


Yeah, but Nancy says that SHE, along with many others, DID see it and she has lots of imgages she says are of PX "PROVING" it actually arrived. Doh!

It remains my intention to only post this one rebuttal to the Zetatalk thread, and resume the existing boycott.

"They" know I read this thread and I will respond here, should any further comment be necessary.

Kindest Regards
J.William Dell
 Quoting: J.William Dell


I get that. It's just that those imgages still exist, in their original form, and can be examined to this day. Nancy was poining at NOISE which was NOWHERE NEAR her predicted magnitude 10-11 at which "Zetas" said PX would be imaged.

Keep up the good work!