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True, but he/she/it is so much fun to poke a stick at :>


pokeye

He does seem to like the abuse.


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Zealots generally do!
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I would like to know just what is this "great" message that the Zetas are speaking through a so called "emissary."

Please be specific and to the point.
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Well....

The "great" message that the Zeta are providing is the whereabouts of imcoming Planet X.

Through their "emissary" they are providing all the details of PX arrival to prove their own existence.

The Zetas confirm and you can bet your life that on May 15 2003, PX will be seen, naked eye, in the sky, thus proving the existence of the Zeta, and the credentials of their "emissary"

whew

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I figure that after 2012 passes Nancy will suddenly decide the numbers are still relevant, but are BACKWARDS.

That'll give her until 2102 to come up with some other nonsensical spew.

Morning, ZetaMax! Have a good sleep, all nestled in your sock-drawer?

You know, I'm trying to do SERIOUS ANALYSIS here, and you're NOT helping!
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I can't believe you continue posting without feeling any shame. And even worst, I can't believe you're using the word "SERIOUS". How many times you need Zetatalk being proven WRONG after you realize that simple reality? Is really that hard for you? Dude, you have issues...
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No one really knows why the Mayan calendar ends in 2012. I don't know why so many people put so much faith in speculation as to what it means. There have been so many "end of the world" dates that any kind of "doomsday" event concerning 2012 and all the way to 2015 is more than likely nothing more than another non-event. I predict that Max will use try to say we need to wait until 2015 so he can get out of his wager with Hap. And it won't surprise me if Nancy tries to use 2015 as well....anything to extend her delusion a bit longer.
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The end date of 2012 comes from a correlation devised by Eric Thompson and Sylvanus J Morley. What they did is take a date from some Mayan literature that also gives the corresponding date on the Julian Calendar. They then converted dates to the Julian calendar with a formula. This is how they arrived at the end date of December 21 2012. Nobody has successfully challenged this correlation, even though there are some glaring inconsistencies that make it evident that this correlation cannot be right.

In the first place, all dates recorded by the Mayans had 3 components. First is the name of the day, which is derived from the 260 day calendar called Tzolkin by the Mayas or Tonalpohualli in Central Mexico. The name of the date is comprised of one of twenty day symbols paired with a number in the sequence 1 to 13.

Second is the position on the solar calendar, known as Ha'ab by the Mayans. The Aztecs did not generally record this position in their records, making their calendar less accurate. The solar calendar date is comprised of one of 18 "months" of 20 days and a number from 0 to 19. These months are fixed to the solar cycle. There was also a mini month at the end of the year with 5 days to complete the solar cycle.

The third component is a tally of the days completed since the cycle started. Unfortunately, Morley and Thompson assumed wrongly that the leap year was dealt with in the same way as we deal with it, adding a day every four years, but this is not the case.

How the Mayas resolved this extra quarter day was that their new years did not start at the same time of day. They divided the years into four groups pertaining to the cardinal points. The years belonging to the east and all subsequent days began at dawn. At the end of that year, an additional quarter day was added, and the new year belonging to the north began at mid day. The days of years of the west began at sunset and for the south at midnight. In this way, the extra day every four years was accounted for, but the day was not counted as such. This throws the Thompson Morley correlation off by one day every 4 years, and since the great cycle is 5128 solar years, the error is very significant.

The end date given in all Mayan records is called 4 Ahau (260 day cycle) and the solar position is 3 Kankin. The month of Kankin (which means yellow or old sun) occurs in April. So obviously, at date Kankin on the solar calendar cannot ever occur in December. In fact, there is no way that a day that falls on our 21 of december can ever be named Ahau.

The end of the cycle was celebrated in April 1988. The calendar did not end, it continues on a new counting cycle. The Mayans never predicted doom or end times with the end of the cycle. What they did predict was that after two grand Katun cycles (2 x 260 years)the Mayans, who "went to sleep" after the fall of the triple alliance of Mayapan around 1460 would reawaken and slowly recover their lands, their culture and their place.

As for the 2012ers, they are basing their doom on a date that is wrong, and if they took a look into who Morley was, a spy and an instigator, they would be shocked that they are basing a bunch of New Age love and light on such a dark character's disinformation.
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Unfortunately Max caught me after a long night and just before bed. I should know by now that it is pointless addressing him, because he is a troll.

I am always amazed at the caliber of knowledge that the regular debunkers have about different subjects. Each one has a special area that they obviously know about, and I have learned a lot from each one, from Hap, Prof. Rabbit, Menow, Circuit Breaker, The Commentator, Dr. Postman to name a few. If people like Max would come here with nothing to defend and listen to what people have to say, he might actually learn something that is real, but that will never happen, because he has put all his faith in Nancy. As long as he is closed to the possibility that some of us here might actually know more about things than Nancy and her starburst aliens, he will continue to believe bullshit and shun the truth. Quite sad, really, when there is a wealth of knowledge here, and people that never stop being hungry for learning something new, willing to share and grow that knowledge.
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Unfortunately Max caught me after a long night and just before bed. I should know by now that it is pointless addressing him, because he is a troll.

I am always amazed at the caliber of knowledge that the regular debunkers have about different subjects. Each one has a special area that they obviously know about, and I have learned a lot from each one, from Hap, Prof. Rabbit, Menow, Circuit Breaker, The Commentator, Dr. Postman to name a few. If people like Max would come here with nothing to defend and listen to what people have to say, he might actually learn something that is real, but that will never happen, because he has put all his faith in Nancy. As long as he is closed to the possibility that some of us here might actually know more about things than Nancy and her starburst aliens, he will continue to believe bullshit and shun the truth. Quite sad, really, when there is a wealth of knowledge here, and people that never stop being hungry for learning something new, willing to share and grow that knowledge.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal



This info on 2012 was awesome ... I felt all was wrong about the 2012 date, now I know it. I know some New Age freaks ... some thing 2012 will be terrible, others think human concioussness will rise to the next level ... cant wait to laugh at them on Dec. 22nd 2012.
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I should add that Morley and Thompson also made the mistake of confusing the solar year of 365.25 days with the vague year of 360 days. This is what really put their correlation further out of synch with the true correlation. The vague year is used to count the days on the long count cycle, and it does not allow the tracking of the seasons or other events related to the solar calendar. Thompson and Morley believed that the full Baktun cycle was 5200 solar years, when in reality, it is 5200 vague years, which is equivalent to 5128 solar years plus 280 days.

In reference to Nancy's stupid video, she claims that the Mayans observed a cycle of 3600 years. This is false. Of all the cycles they did observe, this one does not figure at all. I suppose she took the vague year of 360 days, multiplied it by 10 and came up with a convenient number, but it is meaningless in Mayan lore and calendar cycles. On the long count system, dates are counted in groups of 20, not 10.

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Wonder what she will spin out of the recent earthquakes this Saturdays ZetardTalk. Maybe she will let herself go and predict a coming of Planet X very soon ? Or did she learn from her big fail 6 years ago.
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It's all the zeros in the math that are throwing Nancy off. It's really hard to perform proper calculations when you have to use your fingers and toes and express all numbers using terms like eleventy-seven or 'more than a bunch.'
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I should add that Morley and Thompson also made the mistake of confusing the solar year of 365.25 days with the vague year of 360 days. This is what really put their correlation further out of synch with the true correlation. The vague year is used to count the days on the long count cycle, and it does not allow the tracking of the seasons or other events related to the solar calendar. Thompson and Morley believed that the full Baktun cycle was 5200 solar years, when in reality, it is 5200 vague years, which is equivalent to 5128 solar years plus 280 days.

In reference to Nancy's stupid video, she claims that the Mayans observed a cycle of 3600 years. This is false. Of all the cycles they did observe, this one does not figure at all. I suppose she took the vague year of 360 days, multiplied it by 10 and came up with a convenient number, but it is meaningless in Mayan lore and calendar cycles. On the long count system, dates are counted in groups of 20, not 10.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


The 3600 stuff is pure Sitchen - written before Nancy even started Zetatalk.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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BFD!!! Even if that were true (and I have my doubts!), it hardly makes them members of the "Mayan Council of Elders". And even if her father was a member, I highly doubt he shared all his secrets with YOU. Besides, why is she your **EX** wife????


Well then, since you are so knowledgeable about them how about
you tell us the history of the "Mayan Council of Elders".
How long have they been in existence, for example? I would
be very curious to see if you even know.




but the little problem here is that earthquakes are not REGULAR events and refuse just simply nicely comply with human imagination and wishes and desire for control over their environment.


There are over a million earthquakes that take place on
this planet every year Andrew. Or is that not real because
Nancy hasn't told you yet?




No one really knows why the Mayan calendar ends in 2012.


The stone's original carver/artisan/mason could have broken his last chisel for all we know!

:mysterymay:


BTW, no one really knows why the day ends at Midnight either,
do they? That's the same sort of statement as the one you
replied to.
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The Mayans weren't that smart anyway. All these old tribes are failed civilizations after all. Their cosmologies have collapsed in the light of science.
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BFD!!! Even if that were true (and I have my doubts!), it hardly makes them members of the "Mayan Council of Elders". And even if her father was a member, I highly doubt he shared all his secrets with YOU. Besides, why is she your **EX** wife????


Well then, since you are so knowledgeable about them how about
you tell us the history of the "Mayan Council of Elders".
How long have they been in existence, for example? I would
be very curious to see if you even know.

 Quoting: DrPostman


I provided the link to the YouTube video series in my earlier post
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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The 3600 stuff is pure Sitchen - written before Nancy even started Zetatalk.
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Sitchens claims were as stupid as Nancys ... i read his book and its total fantasy crap ... would be a nice sci-fi though.
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Ah yes, YouTube, that vast repository of ancient wisdom!

Calm down, ZetaMax, I said 'repository,' not 'suppository.'

Quit it! Hey, make him stop, he's humping my freaking leg!
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The 3600 stuff is pure Sitchen - written before Nancy even started Zetatalk.


Sitchens claims were as stupid as Nancys ... i read his book and its total fantasy crap ... would be a nice sci-fi though.
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Nancy got a lot of her ideas from his crap. Most of her stuff is ripped-off.
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The 3600 stuff is pure Sitchen - written before Nancy even started Zetatalk.


Sitchens claims were as stupid as Nancys ... i read his book and its total fantasy crap ... would be a nice sci-fi though.


Nancy got a lot of her ideas from his crap. Most of her stuff is ripped-off.
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"Borrowed" perhaps - but not "ripped-off". She has given him credit on numerous occasions. The Zetas simply "confirm" what he has written.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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ZetaNancy writes:

"The Zetas simply "confirm" what he has written."

They would, being a planetload of dumb-as-hammers numbfucks.

Bet they moved their lips the whole time they read it...
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Hey, at least I didn't croak any dogs....
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ZetaNancy writes:

"The Zetas simply "confirm" what he has written."

They would, being a planetload of dumb-as-hammers numbfucks.

Bet they moved their lips the whole time they read it...
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You've "returned" so you can ladle out this mindless juvenile tripe???
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Nancy got a lot of her ideas from his crap. Most of her stuff is ripped-off.
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Yupp ... she steals the crap out of the ass of other shitheads ... its totally ridiculous ... I do not really believe people like Andre or ZetaMay REALLY believe her ... if they do, they are some of the most retarded minds who ever walked the earth.
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Hey, at least I didn't croak any dogs....
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rofl
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I'll let you handle the mindless juvenile tripe, NancyMax. You are the undisputed master of that hereabouts.
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The Mayans weren't that smart anyway. All these old tribes are failed civilizations after all. Their cosmologies have collapsed in the light of science.
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I would respectfully disagree with this. The Mayan solar year was the most accurate known to man until the 20th century, when the length of the solar cycle was determined to be somewhat less than 365.25 days. The Mayan Venus cycles are precise, as are the eclipse tables. The knowledge was not lost, just hidden for centuries, preserved by men and women of knowledge, and it is slowly resurfacing and being taught in small towns to the new generations. Their civilization is not really failed, they just took a break to survive the invasion of their land and the supression of their culture. The Mayan cosmology is not as divorced from the scientific as you might think, it is just shrouded in the imagery of Mayan linguistics and philosophy.

The solar year in the Yucatan begins on the day of the second transit of the sun on the local zenith. Conveniently, the equinoxes, both solar nadir transits and both solar zenith transits occur on the first day of a Mayan "month".

Their knowledge is not superior to the science of our age, but it is not far behind. Honestly, the Mayan calendar is only relevant at latitudes between 15 and 21 north latitude, as it predicts the 5 local seasons with accuracy, in a way that the Gregorian calendar does not, since it was developed at latitudes outside the tropics, where there are 4 seasons.
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The 3600 stuff is pure Sitchen - written before Nancy even started Zetatalk.


Sitchens claims were as stupid as Nancys ... i read his book and its total fantasy crap ... would be a nice sci-fi though.


Nancy got a lot of her ideas from his crap. Most of her stuff is ripped-off.

"Borrowed" perhaps - but not "ripped-off". She has given him credit on numerous occasions. The Zetas simply "confirm" what he has written.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


The Zetas don't exist you idiot. Nancy has just ripped it off and changed it a bit.
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The Mayans weren't that smart anyway. All these old tribes are failed civilizations after all. Their cosmologies have collapsed in the light of science.


I would respectfully disagree with this.
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And I shall respectfully disagree with you.
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The Zetan agenda. I told Nancy that I filed criminal charges against the IRS and the Federal Reserve with the SEC and did she get irate. I am assuming that her boss is nervous since...

his demon god is failing! rofl

Peace to you. Have faith in love and in each other. There is NO greater power.
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Yo NancyMax -- been camping with Elle lately?

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The Zetas simply "confirm" what he has written.
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How can the zetas "confirm" anything when you have yet to find even one time when they've ever been right about anything?
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Yes, please enlighten us, Max. How are the members of this Mayan Council of Elders selected? Who selects them? When did they come together? Where do they meet? What authority do they have, and who has given them this authority? All you can do is link to youtube?
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MaxyNance went back to YouTube to look for more videos supporting his assertions, but became distracted when he discovered a new series of fainting goat porn --

He'll be back tomorrow. Exhausted and chafed, but back.

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