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Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!

 
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Sure the Zetas lied about the passage occurring at May 15, 2003. The elite took it seriously though.

How do you know? Did you ask them? Did they tell you?


Reports of personal aircraft taking off the previous night around the country were supported by my own observation at the wealthly enclave of Vero Beach, Fl.

OMG! Aircraft taking off from an airport. How could that be? Funny how none of the wealthy where I lived were taking off. I worked for Qualcomm at the time and Dr. Irwin Jacobs, who owns the company, wasn't out of town. Nor were any of the executive board.


That night I heard one jet after another leaving a field where the Gulfstreams are lined up wing tip to wing tip.

And your proof of this is what again?


Another shuttle is going up tomorrow to retrieve the latest progress of Planet X.

And your proof of this is what again?


The movement which is tracked by earth and space station triangulation cannot be broadcast to earth, hence another launch a couple weeks after the last.

Why can't it be broadcast to Earth? Care to explain. Please be specific.


Maybe it is going to be passing during this trimester.

Yeah...I've been hearing "maybe" and "soon" for 6 years now.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

You and I both know the only proof acceptable to you is seeing the planet yourself. So until then you will continue to say "I told you so." When it appears there will be no need for us to do the same.
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Hmmmm, up to 9 pages now and still going strong!

It appears the debunker experiment has failed UTTERLY!

Yes, IndianaJones, we can discuss in relative peace now. BTW, I love you posts ... keep em comin!

I highly doubt the debunkers will stick to their agreement with each other. The hardest thing selfish people can do with each other is get along and agree with each other. They all have their own agendas never mind handlers.


For now ... peace.
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lol4me Luserboy has the "show" all to himself now. He has no one to attack. The next few weeks oughta be good viewing.

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You and I both know the only proof acceptable to you is seeing the planet yourself. So until then you will continue to say "I told you so." When it appears there will be no need for us to do the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 554023

Evasion noted.

Just the same, you and I both know that the only proof acceptable to you is "Planet X" continuing to be a no show until 2012. So, until then, you will continue to say, "It's coming...you'll see...real soon." Then, when 2012 comes and goes with no "Planet X" there will be no need for us to say anything...mainly because I doubt you'll come back. Although, that will be hard to tell since you post as an Anonymous Coward.

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Well, Max has pretty much proven the point. He is not interested in ZetaTalk at all. He is here to bait rational people. Several of us offered to ease up and be more civil. Those gestures have not even been acknowledged, and he continues with his unfounded accusations and insults. If he were really interested in talking about ZetaTalk, he would be posting with others that believe on Nancy's thread. How many times did he complain about having debunkers "disrupting" making it impossible for the bunkers to have a meaningful discussion? But now that he has gotten his wish, he prefers to come here and try to stir up shit.

From now on I will just scroll past Max's posts and I will not reply, no matter how much he goads. I am sure he will spin that as me being afraid to engage him, but that is what Max does. I think he has outed himself quite well these past few days. He is another troll, not worth the time it takes to hit the post button.
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Good point.

OK, how about for the length of the boycott we simply shun max here?

He contributes nothing, he has become another village idiot trolling.

max is, as Dr. Postman has pointed out, simply an attention whore and the sooner he/she/it learns that there is nothing to gain by trolling this thread the sooner he/she/it will stop.

So, let us shun max.

All in favor?
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Even Free Store is trying get in on the action...sort of.

Very glad the belly aching is on it's own thread

ZetaTalk is not a soap opera but dedicated to answering questions on Saturday night that is all
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My argument to that is: if it were truly for questions, then Nancy wouldn't feel the need to ban certain people and delete their questions later. What Free Store should have said is that ZetaTalk is dedicated to answering questions on Saturday night from dedicated followers...that is all.

If he isn't trying to get in on the action, why did he have to post his own thread about it? Why not simply comment on it in Nancy's thread?

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It's interesting that none of the believers can see the numerous inconsistencies. It would seem to me, at the very least, that those claiming to be "on the fence" would question how "Planet X" can set before the sun and yet rise after it. That isn't possible...because as the sun sets in one location, it is rising in another at the very same time. But the only ones questioning this claim are the "debunkers." Just once, it would be interesting to see User or Max ask Nancy how that was possible. Perhaps they're afraid that if they do, she'll label them "debunkers."


I believe that has happened before. I am not certain, but I think Dell got labeled when he said 'No PX at said coordinates' and he was a fairly fervent Nancy supporter...

Though I might be misremembering.
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I don't remember it either who it was but someone was kicked out of the zetagroup because of expressing his honest view of no evidence of planet x. He was one of those guys whose job it was to find the evidence of that invisible object.

Similar incidents have happened all along in the Zetatalk group as in other similar cult groups too. Everyone expressing doubts about the "holy" doctrine or the "mighty" leader gets kicked out. Followers know this, or learn to know the hard way. Sometimes it's being called "tough love". They're sooo sweet in those cults.. they're always saying they love you even when they kill you.. I guess that's part of how they preserve their sense of themselves as 100% GOOD.

As to believers not seeing the many inconsistencies.. well it's not being called BLIND faith for nothing. Not seeing = blind. That's the real part in cults and similar structures.

Those are the ones whose mission it is to teach humanity: DO NOT QUESTION! OBEY AUTHORITY! In this they've been pretty effective. Most of humanity is following this doctrine, only structures and leaderpersons vary somewhat. But the principle is the same in them all.
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So, let us shun max.

All in favor?
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I wouldn't use the word shun. I had hoped that it wouldn't come to that. I, honestly, hoped that both sides could present valid arguments and then not get offended if someone didn't agree with what was said. But, maybe ignoring them all is the only way to go.
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So, let us shun max.

All in favor?

I wouldn't use the word shun. I had hoped that it wouldn't come to that. I, honestly, hoped that both sides could present valid arguments and then not get offended if someone didn't agree with what was said. But, maybe ignoring them all is the only way to go.
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Shun or ignore, I can't really see the difference so if you prefer ignore, that works for me.

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I am in favour. While I agree with CB that we need to be civil, I think the way things have transpired have exposed Max once and for all, He is a troll, and all he does is try to confuse the discussion, distract from the points being made and drag the discussion into an insult fest. It only works if we let him get our goat and take it for a walk. We can discuss, raise points and continue to show that ZetaTalk is bull, providing evidence for those that are interested, but I am done playing with Max, because he has nothing to contribute. He is a shit disturber. Every time I see his alien face I will hear the braying of a jackass. You get nowhere conversing with a jackass.
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I am in favour. While I agree with CB that we need to be civil, I think the way things have transpired have exposed Max once and for all, He is a troll, and all he does is try to confuse the discussion, distract from the points being made and drag the discussion into an insult fest. It only works if we let him get our goat and take it for a walk. We can discuss, raise points and continue to show that ZetaTalk is bull, providing evidence for those that are interested, but I am done playing with Max, because he has nothing to contribute. He is a shit disturber. Every time I see his alien face I will hear the braying of a jackass. You get nowhere conversing with a jackass.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal



Well said. I don't think there is any question that at least three folks will ignore max because he has nothing to contribute.
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Shun or ignore, I can't really see the difference so if you prefer ignore, that works for me.
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I guess they're both the same...for some reason though, shun seems more negative. Just a perception thing.
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I am in favour. While I agree with CB that we need to be civil, I think the way things have transpired have exposed Max once and for all, He is a troll, and all he does is try to confuse the discussion, distract from the points being made and drag the discussion into an insult fest. It only works if we let him get our goat and take it for a walk. We can discuss, raise points and continue to show that ZetaTalk is bull, providing evidence for those that are interested, but I am done playing with Max, because he has nothing to contribute. He is a shit disturber. Every time I see his alien face I will hear the braying of a jackass. You get nowhere conversing with a jackass.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

You may have a point. It seems he's been posting in our threads more than in Nancy's. I'm certainly not saying he can't post here. Unlike the bunkers, we don't call on "censorship." Likewise, we don't ban people or remove their posts when we don't like something...unlike Nancy. So, by all means, continue posting here Max. However, if you do, I ask that you make civil comments. For instance, you can even use your "screened memories" theory to explain something. I may find it unbelievable, but if you're civil with it then I won't attack it. I might question it...but not attack it.
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I don't remember it either who it was but someone was kicked out of the zetagroup because of expressing his honest view of no evidence of planet x. He was one of those guys whose job it was to find the evidence of that invisible object.

Similar incidents have happened all along in the Zetatalk group as in other similar cult groups too. Everyone expressing doubts about the "holy" doctrine or the "mighty" leader gets kicked out. Followers know this, or learn to know the hard way. Sometimes it's being called "tough love". They're sooo sweet in those cults.. they're always saying they love you even when they kill you.. I guess that's part of how they preserve their sense of themselves as 100% GOOD.

As to believers not seeing the many inconsistencies.. well it's not being called BLIND faith for nothing. Not seeing = blind. That's the real part in cults and similar structures.

Those are the ones whose mission it is to teach humanity: DO NOT QUESTION! OBEY AUTHORITY! In this they've been pretty effective. Most of humanity is following this doctrine, only structures and leaderpersons vary somewhat. But the principle is the same in them all.
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I think it was Ron. He was lured to the property with the promise of being in charge of several projects, but when he got there he was put to work helping to get Nancy's house ready for her to move in. He lived in a chicken coop, tilled the soil and planted the gardens. Then around Thanksgiving he was unceremoniously asked to leave because he kept insisting on getting started with the projects he thought he would be doing, and it became clear to him that Nancy never had any intention of implementing those projects. Somebody posted Ron's version of this a few weeks ago, I will try to find it and repost it here. It underlines how Nancy benefitted in those early days by funds donated to the non profit and how her followers worked hard to set her up with no gain other than a rickety roof over his head and meals.
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I am in favour. While I agree with CB that we need to be civil, I think the way things have transpired have exposed Max once and for all, He is a troll, and all he does is try to confuse the discussion, distract from the points being made and drag the discussion into an insult fest. It only works if we let him get our goat and take it for a walk. We can discuss, raise points and continue to show that ZetaTalk is bull, providing evidence for those that are interested, but I am done playing with Max, because he has nothing to contribute. He is a shit disturber. Every time I see his alien face I will hear the braying of a jackass. You get nowhere conversing with a jackass.

You may have a point. It seems he's been posting in our threads more than in Nancy's. I'm certainly not saying he can't post here. Unlike the bunkers, we don't call on "censorship." Likewise, we don't ban people or remove their posts when we don't like something...unlike Nancy. So, by all means, continue posting here Max. However, if you do, I ask that you make civil comments. For instance, you can even use your "screened memories" theory to explain something. I may find it unbelievable, but if you're civil with it then I won't attack it. I might question it...but not attack it.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

By all means he can post here if he pleases, as can anyone. I am a staunch defender of the freedom to express your views, I detest censorship. I personally will just refuse to get drawn into Max's game. I am here to discuss the gaping holes and inconsistencies in ZetaTalk.
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By all means he can post here if he pleases, as can anyone. I am a staunch defender of the freedom to express your views, I detest censorship. I personally will just refuse to get drawn into Max's game. I am here to discuss the gaping holes and inconsistencies in ZetaTalk.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

Yep.

I know when I first joined GLP in 2003, all I did was ask questions and highlighted the many contradictions and inconsistencies. All that got me was name calling, which only served to push me further away from believing anything Nancy claimed. I really view name calling and attacks as a sign of weakness. That's why I've really been trying to get us to get away from that...no matter how much we're taunted by "bunkers." Just remind yourself that their attacks are signs of weakness. If they could truly defend ZetaTalk, they wouldn't need to throw names or advocate censorship in Nancy's threads. The evidence would speak for itself.
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Truth is, Bunkers don't respond to rational discussion, so many have quit bothering to offer much of that. Civility went out the window long ago. How could it be otherwise when Nancy is making absurd claims which are easily shown to be false, but her believers refuse to discuss such things?

But why can't we exhibit civility...especially in our own thread? If "believers" don't want to be civil...let them not be civil. It only weakens their position.
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Sure, but people is people. What are ya gonna do?
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I wonder -

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Thanks for this link and the reminder about mushrooms.

Sprouts of mango-beans are very nutritious too. They contain proteins and many minerals and vitamins, they are cheap and easy to stock.

Probably one can survive a long time (a lifetime ?) if you have clean fresh water, mushrooms, sprouts and leaf-vegetables to eat.

And after those alleged gloomy times all those other yummie vegetables can be grown too.
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Just where do they think they're going to grow those vegetables? Earth's atmosphere will be non-existent for quite a while. While Nancy's stories concerning the Earth "post-shift" have changed and have many inconsistencies, in all of them, the "Zetas" have said the atmosphere would be severely damaged and would take quite a while to rebuild. Where is this fresh water going to come from? Better yet, who's going to plant all these seeds? Even if Nancy's scenario happened, there would be no one left.

I would love to ask them this question...but what would be the point? They'd ignore it.

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It's interesting that none of the believers can see the numerous inconsistencies. It would seem to me, at the very least, that those claiming to be "on the fence" would question how "Planet X" can set before the sun and yet rise after it. That isn't possible...because as the sun sets in one location, it is rising in another at the very same time. But the only ones questioning this claim are the "debunkers." Just once, it would be interesting to see User or Max ask Nancy how that was possible. Perhaps they're afraid that if they do, she'll label them "debunkers."



I believe that has happened before. I am not certain, but I think Dell got labeled when he said 'No PX at said coordinates' and he was a fairly fervent Nancy supporter...

Though I might be misremembering.
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Yes, it has happened before. A Nancy supporter falls instantly from her good graces when he dares to question any of her pronouncements.
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Here is what Prof Rabbit posted a few weeks ago regarding Ron Darby:

“Why did I accept Nancy’s invitation to move to Wisconsin and live at her home? I wanted to work on an ambitious list of projects. It was also hinted that I would be made Project Manager for building her son’s patented Dome Project. That’s what really convinced me.


What happened was that once Nancy was in Wisconsin virtually all the TT projects I was most interested in were determined by Nancy to be too dangerous to do on her property for one reason or another. And the Dome project was so far from any sort of reality as to be many years, if ever, from a reality. In fact, it came to the point where Nancy forbade me from even talking to Kurt about the dome.


The first summer I cut trees cleaned flowerbeds and grew a seed garden. Mostly my work involved improving the property and preparing it for Nancy to move in. I was able to get the second seed garden, worm culture, hydroponics, and aquaculture projects going by the time I left. Mostly, I worked on the infrastructure – Nancy’s property.


I was extremely disappointed that at practically every turn when I wanted to work a project, Nancy had some reason it couldn’t be done there. Nancy and I had many harsh words on many occasions, which stemmed from this situation.


Toward the end of my stay there I had become quite depressed at not being able to actually work the projects I went there to do. My health insurance had run out. My car transmission was broken. There was increasingly less that needed doing. Nancy was expecting that when her husband came for Thanksgiving she would be able to convince him to stay. I had changed from an asset to a liability. She wanted me to move to Baraboo and get a job.


Her funds were almost exhausted and she could see the necessity of taking a job herself looming.

Besides 7 days a week of manual labor I was the “beneficiary” of dozens of impromptu, unsolicited and unpublished “ZetaTalk” directed specifically to me. I posted a portion of the last of these, which was so incredibly ludicrous. Ultimately, it was these “Begin ZetaTalk … End ZetaTalk” pages presented to me which lead me to conclude that I couldn’t trust any of it.



The initial reason why I left was because I was kicked out. Oh, it was done in a slick way; but that’s what happened.


Within a couple weeks of arriving in Austin I was suicidal. In attempting to get help for that, I became convinced that I was an alcoholic and went into a treatment facility. I learned there that although I did abuse alcohol, I wasn’t alcoholic. I learned enough about it, though, that I don’t need it in my life again. What really was unexpected was that I was able to get totally away from all things ZetaTalk and away from the effects
of alcohol on my thinking. I had time and opportunity to finally start thinking rationally about the entire experience. This has continued since leaving treatment. I’ve realized a lot about my personal psyche and come to some conclusions regarding why the ZT message and the TT fraternity so attracted me.


Ron Darby.



Below is a copy of the Zetatalk statement to Ron that led to his removal from both Nancy’s residence in Wisconsin and the Troubled Times Inc. His own comments can be found underneath each highlighted section.



The original can be found at [link to www.skepticalmind.com]



Zeta Statement:

“Nancy has asked for an update on the situation, in light of her recent sense of urgency. Where she has recall of sessions with MJ12, shouting sessions with Ron, she is not aware of other ultimatums and decisions and is looking for the broader picture we might be able to supply. The whole picture, which we are aware of, is not something we can supply, but we will relay what we are able without breaching our agreements. Our view of what is occurring at present is a pissing contest between Ron and MJ12. In this Nancy and Kurt are caught in the middle, unable to do little except agonise. What is this pissing contest all about?



Beyond what we have relayed before, that MJ12 made a decision in early summer regarding the nonprofit being integral to nancy’s home where Zetatalk and Slide Lock are headquartered, and that Ron has resisted, almost entirely, ANY changes being made, there is nothing new to report. The contest has moved along however, with Ron firmly convinced he holds the winning cards. Ron views himself as integral to the nonprofit, an anchor and hub without which the nonprofit would not move forward. This view is heavily meshed with a need to have such a relationship, from a personal security standpoint, as much as it is from any benefit the noneprofit secures from his considerable experience and intelligence. In the past, in this lifetime, Ron’s experience with the military and CIA have shown him that a pit-bull approach when one is a key team member can result in sudden victory.”

Very seldom, if one is a vital member of the team, does the pit bull lose. He views himself as vital to the nonprofit, which he views as vital to the establishment hopes for civilian survival camps capable of providing a carry-on government with any kind of base whatsoever. In this he has misjudged.

Nancy is aware that the press for a media campagn has accelerated, and has taken steps to facilitate using the 30 minute documentary to be of a quality sufficient for major TV outlets. In that she seems to be focused on seed collection at the moment is a diversion, taking away her worry, as she can do little else to effect change in this pissing contest where she is caught in the gears but not at the controls. She has little sympathy for personal security concerns over the overall mission, however and her loyalties will go with an educational outreach, NOT a single individual’s personal concerns. She can be expected to cooperate with MJ12, not with Ron, a fact he has not yet fully grasped. Ron feels, because of his assistance to Nancy in the past and the loyalty most women in his life has shown him, that she will refuse to cooperate with MJ12 until he is comfortable.”
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I wonder -


[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Thanks for this link and the reminder about mushrooms.

Sprouts of mango-beans are very nutritious too. They contain proteins and many minerals and vitamins, they are cheap and easy to stock.

Probably one can survive a long time (a lifetime ?) if you have clean fresh water, mushrooms, sprouts and leaf-vegetables to eat.

And after those alleged gloomy times all those other yummie vegetables can be grown too.


Just where do they think they're going to grow those vegetables? Earth's atmosphere will be non-existent for quite a while. While Nancy's stories concerning the Earth "post-shift" have changed and have many inconsistencies, in all of them, the "Zetas" have said the atmosphere would be severely damaged and would take quite a while to rebuild. Where is this fresh water going to come from? Better yet, who's going to plant all these seeds? Even if Nancy's scenario happened, there would be no one left.

I would love to ask them this question...but what would be the point? They'd ignore it.
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And if the oceans slosh over the land, how long will it take for the salt to leech out enough to make growing a possibility. One of Nancy's "crowning glories" is her seed project, but truly, if the atmosphere is stripped away and if there is not enough sun, nothing will grow.
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If the atmosphere is stripped away, most of Earth's water will be lost to space as well.

Obviously, Indiana Jones has been in here. He mentioned that we're just talking amongst ourselves. Isn't that what they're doing?

He had a valid point in his post, even if was spoken with a bit of a forked tongue.

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Well, Max has pretty much proven the point. He is not interested in ZetaTalk at all. He is here to bait rational people. Several of us offered to ease up and be more civil. Those gestures have not even been acknowledged, and he continues with his unfounded accusations and insults. If he were really interested in talking about ZetaTalk, he would be posting with others that believe on Nancy's thread. How many times did he complain about having debunkers "disrupting" making it impossible for the bunkers to have a meaningful discussion? But now that he has gotten his wish, he prefers to come here and try to stir up shit.

From now on I will just scroll past Max's posts and I will not reply, no matter how much he goads. I am sure he will spin that as me being afraid to engage him, but that is what Max does. I think he has outed himself quite well these past few days. He is another troll, not worth the time it takes to hit the post button.



Good point.

OK, how about for the length of the boycott we simply shun max here?

He contributes nothing, he has become another village idiot trolling.

max is, as Dr. Postman has pointed out, simply an attention whore and the sooner he/she/it learns that there is nothing to gain by trolling this thread the sooner he/she/it will stop.

So, let us shun max.

All in favor?
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No. ZetaMax is not the biggest problem or the stupidest person posting in these threads. Some of you have made him a scapegoat, with all those empty accusations and assumptions that you just keep on making up. One of those is the belief that he is Nancy. Another one is that he is trying to take over Nancy's cult. He's been accused just recently of both being Nancy and abusing poor old Nancy - CAN'T YOU MAKE UP YOUR MIND HOW THIS IS IN YOUR IMAGINATION, if you're unable to actually read what he writes or doesn't. He just gets accused a lot about things that Nancy has done and said. Why is that? You're not making any sense when you're accusing him of another person's doings. Not in my opinion you're not. He also gets accused of what those other posters write. Like he was somehow responsible for them.. why would he be? I really don't get this crazy idea of putting all the posters in two boxes, the other box is for the "debunkers" and the other box is for the "idiots, zidiots, etc".

Shunning those who don't fit into your category of "US" is what is being done in CULTS. What is your cult, Commentator? Where did you learn to think and act that way? Yehowa's Witnesses? Some other organization of "right-being like-minded" people?

I've found SOME of ZetaMax's posts as delightful. I believe he is his own person. Maybe somewhat or a lot foolish, but hell, who of you/us isn't, at least occasionally. Have some mercy for your fellow neighbor, as for yourself, that's what I think.

Still, I do wish ZetaMax would answer those questions that have been asked from him, in an honest way, whatever that is for him, and so maybe there could be actual conversation. But with the situation being what it is, I'm not sure if he's being given a real opportunity to write much, since every post he makes gets ridiculed or mocked or criticized. That being, I think he's been really cool, he's got strength. Not everybody would have sticked around after all that he's had to go through in these threads. How long would the Commentator last if most everybody started to attack, insult, gossip, shun and dictate everything about him and his posts.. calling HIM Nancy The Hateful and so forth.. just wondering.
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No. ZetaMax is not the biggest problem or the stupidest person posting in these threads. Some of you have made him a scapegoat, with all those empty accusations and assumptions that you just keep on making up. One of those is the belief that he is Nancy. Another one is that he is trying to take over Nancy's cult. He's been accused just recently of both being Nancy and abusing poor old Nancy - CAN'T YOU MAKE UP YOUR MIND HOW THIS IS IN YOUR IMAGINATION, if you're unable to actually read what he writes or doesn't. He just gets accused a lot about things that Nancy has done and said. Why is that? You're not making any sense when you're accusing him of another person's doings. Not in my opinion you're not. He also gets accused of what those other posters write. Like he was somehow responsible for them.. why would he be? I really don't get this crazy idea of putting all the posters in two boxes, the other box is for the "debunkers" and the other box is for the "idiots, zidiots, etc".

Shunning those who don't fit into your category of "US" is what is being done in CULTS. What is your cult, Commentator? Where did you learn to think and act that way? Yehowa's Witnesses? Some other organization of "right-being like-minded" people?

I've found SOME of ZetaMax's posts as delightful. I believe he is his own person. Maybe somewhat or a lot foolish, but hell, who of you/us isn't, at least occasionally. Have some mercy for your fellow neighbor, as for yourself, that's what I think.

Still, I do wish ZetaMax would answer those questions that have been asked from him, in an honest way, whatever that is for him, and so maybe there could be actual conversation. But with the situation being what it is, I'm not sure if he's being given a real opportunity to write much, since every post he makes gets ridiculed or mocked or criticized. That being, I think he's been really cool, he's got strength. Not everybody would have sticked around after all that he's had to go through in these threads. How long would the Commentator last if most everybody started to attack, insult, gossip, shun and dictate everything about him and his posts.. calling HIM Nancy The Hateful and so forth.. just wondering.
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A few weeks ago, Dr. Postman said that having seen information when unbanning Max's other IPs, he became convinced that Max was in fact a real and separate person, not a sock puppet. Did Max have the decency to thank him for that? NO. I trust Dr. Postman's judgment and now accept that Max is not a sock puppet, and out of a sense of fairness and honesty, I posted an apology to both Max and Nancy, and promised to never call him a sock puppet again. Did Max acknowledge the gesture? No. He continued calling me a paid shill. Others here in the past week or two have also offered to back down if he does likewise, and he has stepped up his game, not backed down to where civil exchange of ideas can take hold. I would also say that Max feeds a lot of those suspicions deliberately, and then plays victim when they take hold. Max is a troll. I think we have illustrated that quite well this week. He dances around questions and usually the best contribution is a stupid gif. I have come to the realization that he really doesn't come here for the discussion. He comes to bait people.
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Well, I'm encouraged...I think we're starting to make progress here.

Let's not forget that our only source of information to discuss doesn't have to come from her thread. There's a virtual cornucopia of stuff at ZetaTalk.

And I'm certainly not telling people what or how to post. I'm only suggesting. After all, we said we were better than "bunkers" so let's try to show it.

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I checked her latest thread. Not a lot of intelligent discussion going on there.

However, from what I've seen of the last two pages here, I can't say there's much of that going on here either. Just more bickering. All we've done is move it from one thread to another.


And that's tolerable. At least it isn't artificially promoting Nancy.
LUser is bragging about how her chat has gotten to 9 whole
pages now without us. She would have had twice as many with
us. I hope we keep this up for the whole month. Just alone
it's worth it to see people like LUser panicking.




A few weeks ago, Dr. Postman said that having seen information when unbanning Max's other IPs, he became convinced that Max was in fact a real and separate person, not a sock puppet. Did Max have the decency to thank him for that? NO.


To be fair about this he did thank me in the PM we sent to
each other. Still, I think it would behoove him to be more
open and civil in discussing things.
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Well, I am glad he thanked you in private. It would have been an honest and commendable gesture for him to publicly acknowledge that. I really didn't expect him to acknowledge my apology, and it says more about him than it does about me.
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I personally don't think Max is Nancy, although at times he seems to be doing his best to convince us that he is. It's probably just a game.

But if he expects ANYONE to take him seriously, he needs to get off that "fence" BS. It's clear to anyone with half a brain which camp he sides with and that he's fully invested in Nancy's foolishness. However, he has had the decency (unlike most of the other bunkers) to put his belief on the line and bet me a steak dinner in person that px will be obvious and unquestionable to all before the end of 2011. Whether he follows through with his promise remains to be seen.
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Well, Max has pretty much proven the point. He is not interested in ZetaTalk at all. He is here to bait rational people. Several of us offered to ease up and be more civil. Those gestures have not even been acknowledged, and he continues with his unfounded accusations and insults. If he were really interested in talking about ZetaTalk, he would be posting with others that believe on Nancy's thread. How many times did he complain about having debunkers "disrupting" making it impossible for the bunkers to have a meaningful discussion? But now that he has gotten his wish, he prefers to come here and try to stir up shit.

From now on I will just scroll past Max's posts and I will not reply, no matter how much he goads. I am sure he will spin that as me being afraid to engage him, but that is what Max does. I think he has outed himself quite well these past few days. He is another troll, not worth the time it takes to hit the post button.



Good point.

OK, how about for the length of the boycott we simply shun max here?

He contributes nothing, he has become another village idiot trolling.

max is, as Dr. Postman has pointed out, simply an attention whore and the sooner he/she/it learns that there is nothing to gain by trolling this thread the sooner he/she/it will stop.

So, let us shun max.

All in favor?
 Quoting: The Commentator


I asked why you were continuing to dance with Maxie some time ago. He is a total waste of time and his insipid baiting is sooooo tiresome. Let him stew in his own juice for a while.
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Even Free Store is trying get in on the action...sort of.


Very glad the belly aching is on it's own thread

ZetaTalk is not a soap opera but dedicated to answering questions on Saturday night that is all


My argument to that is: if it were truly for questions, then Nancy wouldn't feel the need to ban certain people and delete their questions later. What Free Store should have said is that ZetaTalk is dedicated to answering questions on Saturday night from dedicated followers...that is all.

If he isn't trying to get in on the action, why did he have to post his own thread about it? Why not simply comment on it in Nancy's thread?
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It's for questions which presuppose that "Zetas" and Nancy are a viable source of information and questions which do not question the veracity of Zetatalk. Simple as that.
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It's interesting that none of the believers can see the numerous inconsistencies. It would seem to me, at the very least, that those claiming to be "on the fence" would question how "Planet X" can set before the sun and yet rise after it. That isn't possible...because as the sun sets in one location, it is rising in another at the very same time. But the only ones questioning this claim are the "debunkers." Just once, it would be interesting to see User or Max ask Nancy how that was possible. Perhaps they're afraid that if they do, she'll label them "debunkers."


I believe that has happened before. I am not certain, but I think Dell got labeled when he said 'No PX at said coordinates' and he was a fairly fervent Nancy supporter...

Though I might be misremembering.


I don't remember it either who it was but someone was kicked out of the zetagroup because of expressing his honest view of no evidence of planet x. He was one of those guys whose job it was to find the evidence of that invisible object.

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You may be thinking of "smalkahuna". He was trying his best to be balanced and honest in his assessment of Nancy's claims. Nancy considered him a valued participant. When the images came out, he went through all the steps to analyze them and declared: "Nothing there". It wasn't entirely clear, but it seemed as if he was banned from TT-Watch and/or left simultaneously. Nancy would never respond when asked about him and his analysis after that. Heh.
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By all means he can post here if he pleases, as can anyone. I am a staunch defender of the freedom to express your views, I detest censorship. I personally will just refuse to get drawn into Max's game. I am here to discuss the gaping holes and inconsistencies in ZetaTalk.

Yep.

I know when I first joined GLP in 2003, all I did was ask questions and highlighted the many contradictions and inconsistencies. All that got me was name calling, which only served to push me further away from believing anything Nancy claimed. I really view name calling and attacks as a sign of weakness. That's why I've really been trying to get us to get away from that...no matter how much we're taunted by "bunkers." Just remind yourself that their attacks are signs of weakness. If they could truly defend ZetaTalk, they wouldn't need to throw names or advocate censorship in Nancy's threads. The evidence would speak for itself.
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Then you end up like I did with Freestore and trying to discuss the ecliptic with him. He is willfully ignorant and totally obstinant. You lead him right to the brink of an unavoidable conclusion about something like "Moon out of place", and he just starts babbling and runs away, ignoring everything you have showed him. That's when I just started calling them "idiot". What else can you really do? It's the simple truth. They are willfull, paranoid, idiots.

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