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Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!

 
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Zetadebunkinator, did you post to this thread and then get banned? If so, I assume your posts have been deleted. Is this the case? I don't see them here.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

Yes I did post here and only here ... the posts are still there, page 211 .... this was the first post that got me banned:

Page 211, approximately in the middle of the page:
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ZetardTalk live chat begins ... lets start the live debunking !
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I was still AC then ... the other posts are under the post above ... I have a post on page 215 where I describe what exactly happened. From the first post I mention above I did not post on another thread, so it must be the posts here that got me banned. also I did not post any banworthy stuff on other threads that day (IMO).
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I hope she wont dare ban a paying member who posts on the debunkers thread. I guess CB and LR dont get banned by her, this would make her devious behaviour even more obvious, since CB and LR wont keep their mouth shut about it.

Actually with banning people who post on the debunkers thread she just proves our success.
 Quoting: ZetasDebunkinator


Yep, our success has been a thorn in the side for Nancy. A great point to note, which has been addressed somewhat by DrPostman before, is that her bunker followers tend to dismiss sometimes the fact that this is the GLP forum and NOT the Zetatalk website.

Also this website belongs to Trinity, his house his rules, so Ms LIEDer's ability to censor the views/opinions/information offered by participants here at GLP is very limited. It has been suggested before that if Nancy and her followers really want a debunker free zone then go and start a chat over at her own website. But hey if Nancy's previous attempts at this, inclusive of her irc chat days are any example, then we already know that she censors/bans debunking views to such a point that those chats died a slow death.

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Zetadebunkinator, did you post to this thread and then get banned? If so, I assume your posts have been deleted. Is this the case? I don't see them here.

Ok I found them. Glad to see they didn't get deleted.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


If it was not Nancy I apologize ... but this is a good opportunity for us to prove how desperate she is and how much she hates the debunker thread.
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If it was not Nancy I apologize ... but this is a good opportunity for us to prove how desperate she is and how much she hates the debunker thread.
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Forgot to log in ... AC 791507 is me.
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Yep, our success has been a thorn in the side for Nancy. A great point to note, which has been addressed somewhat by DrPostman before, is that her bunker followers tend to dismiss sometimes the fact that this is the GLP forum and NOT the Zetatalk website.

Also this website belongs to Trinity, his house his rules, so Ms LIEDer's ability to censor the views/opinions/information offered by participants here at GLP is very limited. It has been suggested before that if Nancy and her followers really want a debunker free zone then go and start a chat over at her own website. But hey if Nancy's previous attempts at this, inclusive of her irc chat days are any example, then we already know that she censors/bans debunking views to such a point that those chats died a slow death.
 Quoting: The Lone Ranger


All i wanted to do last evening was some live debunking ... since I boycott her thread this was the place to do it.

I really wonder why she lets all the disruptive posts undeleted on her last thread ... I mean if you count only the serious questions and her answers it barely made 4 pages ... all the rest is trolling ... its even hard to find her answers between all the troll posts.

Last Edited by ZetasDebunkinator on 10/11/2009 05:37 PM
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Thanks for proving you do, indeed, call for censorship.

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So this is prove that Nancy now bans everyone who posts here in the debunkers thread while her thread is pinned ... at least she does so with ACs, not sure if she dares to do this with registered and paying members (which I will be soon, so the debunking can be supported by photos and custom smileys).


Interesting. Hmmm. Might have to ask DrPostman if Nancy can indeed come and ban any poster on our debunker thread while her crapola is in action on a Saturday evening. I was of the understanding that Ms LIEDer's moderating powers do not extend beyond her crapola zone.


Yeah, thx for asking him ... the information on my case is in a post above ... Tater was also banned ... I can't speak for others, but I am eager to know what happened in my case.
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I was banned? News to me, I have not been in the dungheap of a nanny LIEDer thread since the boycott.
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So this is prove that Nancy now bans everyone who posts here in the debunkers thread while her thread is pinned ... at least she does so with ACs, not sure if she dares to do this with registered and paying members (which I will be soon, so the debunking can be supported by photos and custom smileys).


Interesting. Hmmm. Might have to ask DrPostman if Nancy can indeed come and ban any poster on our debunker thread while her crapola is in action on a Saturday evening. I was of the understanding that Ms LIEDer's moderating powers do not extend beyond her crapola zone.


Yeah, thx for asking him ... the information on my case is in a post above ... Tater was also banned ... I can't speak for others, but I am eager to know what happened in my case.



I was banned? News to me, I have not been in the dungheap of a nanny LIEDer thread since the boycott.
 Quoting: The Commentator


At least I was banned last evening ... maybe saying Nancy now bans everyone who posts here in the debunkers thread while her thread is pinned was an exaggeration from me ... but as I posted to do some live debunking i was banned ... maber the "Tater" we spoke above is another poster ... there was an AC eho called himself tater around here yesterday ... lemme see if I find his post where he says he was banned, must be a few pages before.
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... lemme see if I find his post where he says he was banned, must be a few pages before.
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here, page 213

I got banned!
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So this is prove that Nancy now bans everyone who posts here in the debunkers thread while her thread is pinned ... at least she does so with ACs, not sure if she dares to do this with registered and paying members (which I will be soon, so the debunking can be supported by photos and custom smileys).


Interesting. Hmmm. Might have to ask DrPostman if Nancy can indeed come and ban any poster on our debunker thread while her crapola is in action on a Saturday evening. I was of the understanding that Ms LIEDer's moderating powers do not extend beyond her crapola zone.


Yeah, thx for asking him ... the information on my case is in a post above ... Tater was also banned ... I can't speak for others, but I am eager to know what happened in my case.



I was banned? News to me, I have not been in the dungheap of a nanny LIEDer thread since the boycott.


At least I was banned last evening ... maybe saying Nancy now bans everyone who posts here in the debunkers thread while her thread is pinned was an exaggeration from me ... but as I posted to do some live debunking i was banned ... maber the "Tater" we spoke above is another poster ... there was an AC eho called himself tater around here yesterday ... lemme see if I find his post where he says he was banned, must be a few pages before.
 Quoting: ZetasDebunkinator 791507



That would explain it.
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Thanks for proving you do, indeed, call for censorship.

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I'm not "calling" for it, I'm simply "lampooning" it. Think of it like you would one "rolling thier eyes" as a bouncer kicks a rowdy troublemaker out of your favorite watering hole, with the evictee screaming how he has a "right" to be disruptive, and that the bouncer is abusing "him" as his ass is shoved out the door!

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 10/11/2009 08:37 PM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I'm not "calling" for it, I'm simply "lampooning" it. Think of it like you would "rolling your eyes" as a bouncer kicks a rowdy troublemaker out of your favorite watering hole, with the evictee screaming how he has a "right" to be disruptive, and that the bouncer is abusing "him" as his ass is shoved out the door!
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Posting on the debunkers thread is not disrupting Nancys thread.
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I'm not "calling" for it, I'm simply "lampooning" it. Think of it like you would one "rolling thier eyes" as a bouncer kicks a rowdy troublemaker out of your favorite watering hole, with the evictee screaming how he has a "right" to be disruptive, and that the bouncer is abusing "him" as his ass is shoved out the door!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


It's really amusing watching you spin.
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I'm not "calling" for it, I'm simply "lampooning" it. Think of it like you would "rolling your eyes" as a bouncer kicks a rowdy troublemaker out of your favorite watering hole, with the evictee screaming how he has a "right" to be disruptive, and that the bouncer is abusing "him" as his ass is shoved out the door!


Posting on the debunkers thread is not disrupting Nancys thread.
 Quoting: ZetasDebunkinator 791507

Nancy has been doing GLP chats for YEARS now. She was not given mod rights in the beginning, but recieved them when it became clear to Trinity that an orderly chat could not take place without it - there was simply too much spam, name-calling, even threats. After years of putting up with this, she simply bans anyone who so much as "whispers in class". To stupidly say "LET THE DEBUNKING BEGIN" - even in the debunkers thread (which she does monitor the way a security officer monitors the parking lot) - is frankly just BEGGING for a BAN!

So let it written, so let it be DONE.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I'm not "calling" for it, I'm simply "lampooning" it. Think of it like you would one "rolling thier eyes" as a bouncer kicks a rowdy troublemaker out of your favorite watering hole, with the evictee screaming how he has a "right" to be disruptive, and that the bouncer is abusing "him" as his ass is shoved out the door!


It's really amusing watching you spin.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

I am being completely SINCERE.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I'm not "calling" for it, I'm simply "lampooning" it. Think of it like you would "rolling your eyes" as a bouncer kicks a rowdy troublemaker out of your favorite watering hole, with the evictee screaming how he has a "right" to be disruptive, and that the bouncer is abusing "him" as his ass is shoved out the door!


Posting on the debunkers thread is not disrupting Nancys thread.

Nancy has been doing GLP chats for YEARS now. She was not given mod rights in the beginning, but recieved them when it became clear to Trinity that an orderly chat could not take place without it - there was simply too much spam, name-calling, even threats. After years of putting up with this, she simply bans anyone who so much as "whispers in class". To stupidly say "LET THE DEBUNKING BEGIN" - even in the debunkers thread (which she does monitor the way a security officer monitors the parking lot) - is frankly just BEGGING for a BAN!

So let it written, so let it be DONE.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Wow, seriously listen to what you're saying, Max. Sure sounds like a cult follower's mentality or maybe you can't see how hypocritical you sound.

Nancy should not be given the right to ban any debunker here in this thread.
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I'm not "calling" for it, I'm simply "lampooning" it. Think of it like you would "rolling your eyes" as a bouncer kicks a rowdy troublemaker out of your favorite watering hole, with the evictee screaming how he has a "right" to be disruptive, and that the bouncer is abusing "him" as his ass is shoved out the door!


Posting on the debunkers thread is not disrupting Nancys thread.

Nancy has been doing GLP chats for YEARS now. She was not given mod rights in the beginning, but recieved them when it became clear to Trinity that an orderly chat could not take place without it - there was simply too much spam, name-calling, even threats. After years of putting up with this, she simply bans anyone who so much as "whispers in class". To stupidly say "LET THE DEBUNKING BEGIN" - even in the debunkers thread (which she does monitor the way a security officer monitors the parking lot) - is frankly just BEGGING for a BAN!

So let it written, so let it be DONE.


Wow, seriously listen to what you're saying, Max. Sure sounds like a cult follower's mentality or maybe you can't see how hypocritical you sound.

Nancy should not be given the right to ban any debunker here in this thread.
 Quoting: tater 791572

I suggest you create a "free speech" zone thread - one that does not infringe the "ZetaTalk" trademark, and that is not an overt ploy to attract people who otherwise would visit the ZetaTalk chat thread, and I'm sure you will go "ban free".
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Nancy has been doing GLP chats for YEARS now. She was not given mod rights in the beginning, but recieved them when it became clear to Trinity that an orderly chat could not take place without it - there was simply too much spam, name-calling, even threats. After years of putting up with this, she simply bans anyone who so much as "whispers in class". To stupidly say "LET THE DEBUNKING BEGIN" - even in the debunkers thread (which she does monitor the way a security officer monitors the parking lot) - is frankly just BEGGING for a BAN!

So let it written, so let it be DONE.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


If she bans people here she just proves the success of the boycott. If her claims would be true the debunkers thread would not even exist. She just cant stand having the debunkers thread on page one, especially while her own one is pinned. She just proved how desperate she is on her sinking fail-ship. If she bans people on the debunkers thread its actually a win for the debunkers.
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I'm not "calling" for it, I'm simply "lampooning" it. Think of it like you would "rolling your eyes" as a bouncer kicks a rowdy troublemaker out of your favorite watering hole, with the evictee screaming how he has a "right" to be disruptive, and that the bouncer is abusing "him" as his ass is shoved out the door!


Posting on the debunkers thread is not disrupting Nancys thread.

Nancy has been doing GLP chats for YEARS now. She was not given mod rights in the beginning, but recieved them when it became clear to Trinity that an orderly chat could not take place without it - there was simply too much spam, name-calling, even threats. After years of putting up with this, she simply bans anyone who so much as "whispers in class". To stupidly say "LET THE DEBUNKING BEGIN" - even in the debunkers thread (which she does monitor the way a security officer monitors the parking lot) - is frankly just BEGGING for a BAN!

So let it written, so let it be DONE.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

So you would stifle our right to gather on our own thread, where we are not disrupting Nancy at all. We do not deny her right to have her thread, and while we disagree with her rules, the owner has given her the powers to moderate her chat any way she sees fit. I don't think that includes monitoring others that don't break her rules on other threads. We do not participate in her threads, so how are we disrupting it. What about the clowns that sequestered her thread last night? Why do they get a free pass?

It is a slippery slope, a surprising comment from a person born in what used to be a free country. No wonder your country is in such trouble, when people stop defending the right to speak your mind and call for censorship. Freedom of speech was gained for you by men of much more courage and decency than yourself. It is a shame that you don't appreciate what people in other countries are still willing to die for.
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To stupidly say "LET THE DEBUNKING BEGIN" - even in the debunkers thread (which she does monitor the way a security officer monitors the parking lot) - is frankly just BEGGING for a BAN!

So let it written, so let it be DONE.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Then she needs to post her little warning over here as well. Your attempts at spinning this in support of Nancy is purely pathetic. What goes on here has no bearing on her threads unless someone chooses to come in here and read it.
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Nancy has been doing GLP chats for YEARS now. She was not given mod rights in the beginning, but recieved them when it became clear to Trinity that an orderly chat could not take place without it - there was simply too much spam, name-calling, even threats. After years of putting up with this, she simply bans anyone who so much as "whispers in class". To stupidly say "LET THE DEBUNKING BEGIN" - even in the debunkers thread (which she does monitor the way a security officer monitors the parking lot) - is frankly just BEGGING for a BAN!

So let it written, so let it be DONE.


If she bans people here she just proves the success of the boycott. If her claims would be true the debunkers thread would not even exist. She just cant stand having the debunkers thread on page one, especially while her own one is pinned. She just proved how desperate she is on her sinking fail-ship. If she bans people on the debunkers thread its actually a win for the debunkers.
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You can also tell us that you are "King of the World" - and then witness how many people will mail thier taxes to you rather the FED.

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 10/11/2009 09:02 PM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I suggest you create a "free speech" zone thread - one that does not infringe the "ZetaTalk" trademark, and that is not an overt ploy to attract people who otherwise would visit the ZetaTalk chat thread, and I'm sure you will go "ban free".
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Max must be listening to his favorite song "Let's Do The Twist!"
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I didn't know Zeta was a registered trademark of Nancy Lieder. Does that mean you have been granted the right to use it in your moniker? And you say you are on the fence.
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I suggest you create a "free speech" zone thread - one that does not infringe the "ZetaTalk" trademark, and that is not an overt ploy to attract people who otherwise would visit the ZetaTalk chat thread, and I'm sure you will go "ban free".
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


If there would be only a grain of truth in her thread she would not have to be afraid of the debunkers thread. We dont infringe the ZetaTalk trademark (lol, btw) ... this thread does not say ZetaTalk in the headline.

Well, we attract people here, thats good so. And thats why she is so afraid. Every day new people visit GLP and some might click on her thread ... when I came to GLP the first time I did so and thought "what kind of crap is that". Nancy is like a devious spider, angry about the debunkers who destroy her net time and time again.
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I'm not "calling" for it, I'm simply "lampooning" it. Think of it like you would "rolling your eyes" as a bouncer kicks a rowdy troublemaker out of your favorite watering hole, with the evictee screaming how he has a "right" to be disruptive, and that the bouncer is abusing "him" as his ass is shoved out the door!


Posting on the debunkers thread is not disrupting Nancys thread.

Nancy has been doing GLP chats for YEARS now. She was not given mod rights in the beginning, but recieved them when it became clear to Trinity that an orderly chat could not take place without it - there was simply too much spam, name-calling, even threats. After years of putting up with this, she simply bans anyone who so much as "whispers in class". To stupidly say "LET THE DEBUNKING BEGIN" - even in the debunkers thread (which she does monitor the way a security officer monitors the parking lot) - is frankly just BEGGING for a BAN!

So let it written, so let it be DONE.

So you would stifle our right to gather on our own thread, where we are not disrupting Nancy at all. We do not deny her right to have her thread, and while we disagree with her rules, the owner has given her the powers to moderate her chat any way she sees fit. I don't think that includes monitoring others that don't break her rules on other threads. We do not participate in her threads, so how are we disrupting it. What about the clowns that sequestered her thread last night? Why do they get a free pass?

It is a slippery slope, a surprising comment from a person born in what used to be a free country. No wonder your country is in such trouble, when people stop defending the right to speak your mind and call for censorship. Freedom of speech was gained for you by men of much more courage and decency than yourself. It is a shame that you don't appreciate what people in other countries are still willing to die for.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

I will agree that refereeing free speech is "tricky". American case law is VOLUMINOUS on this issue, as what consitutes "free speech" is HARDLY a black and white issue. Often it is purely a judgment call in MANY cases, as the rights of MANY have to be weighed equitably. Bottom line, you are not entitled to self-referential defense - i.e., you are NOT entitled to use your "free speech" to infringe the "free speech" of another.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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I didn't know Zeta was a registered trademark of Nancy Lieder. Does that mean you have been granted the right to use it in your moniker? And you say you are on the fence.
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ZetaTALK - but there is PLENTY of case law that asserts that even alterations such as "debunker talk" are infringements when reasonable people would agree that that was the motive in creating and using it.

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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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I'm not "calling" for it, I'm simply "lampooning" it. Think of it like you would "rolling your eyes" as a bouncer kicks a rowdy troublemaker out of your favorite watering hole, with the evictee screaming how he has a "right" to be disruptive, and that the bouncer is abusing "him" as his ass is shoved out the door!


Posting on the debunkers thread is not disrupting Nancys thread.

Nancy has been doing GLP chats for YEARS now. She was not given mod rights in the beginning, but recieved them when it became clear to Trinity that an orderly chat could not take place without it - there was simply too much spam, name-calling, even threats. After years of putting up with this, she simply bans anyone who so much as "whispers in class". To stupidly say "LET THE DEBUNKING BEGIN" - even in the debunkers thread (which she does monitor the way a security officer monitors the parking lot) - is frankly just BEGGING for a BAN!

So let it written, so let it be DONE.

So you would stifle our right to gather on our own thread, where we are not disrupting Nancy at all. We do not deny her right to have her thread, and while we disagree with her rules, the owner has given her the powers to moderate her chat any way she sees fit. I don't think that includes monitoring others that don't break her rules on other threads. We do not participate in her threads, so how are we disrupting it. What about the clowns that sequestered her thread last night? Why do they get a free pass?

It is a slippery slope, a surprising comment from a person born in what used to be a free country. No wonder your country is in such trouble, when people stop defending the right to speak your mind and call for censorship. Freedom of speech was gained for you by men of much more courage and decency than yourself. It is a shame that you don't appreciate what people in other countries are still willing to die for.

I will agree that refereeing free speech is "tricky". American case law is VOLUMINOUS on this issue, as what consitutes "free speech" is HARDLY a black and white issue. Often it is purely a judgment call in MANY cases, as the rights of MANY have to be weighed equitably. Bottom line, you are not entitled to self-referential defense - i.e., you are NOT entitled to use your "free speech" to infringe the "free speech" of another.
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So do tell us, Max, how we are infringing on Nancy's right to say what she likes? We aren't. We have never banned her, we have never censored her and we left her thread to discuss over here because SHE is the one infringing on our right to express our disagreement with her claims. We do it here, where nobody has to come unless they choose to. I think the problem is that more people read here than on Nancy's thread. Free speech needs no refereeing. Only when physical threats are made is there any reason to intervene. I hope there aren't many more people that think like you, or you could end up living in a place more like the Soviet Union than the once proud and free nation of America.
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I didn't know Zeta was a registered trademark of Nancy Lieder. Does that mean you have been granted the right to use it in your moniker? And you say you are on the fence.

ZetaTALK - but there is PLENTY of case law that asserts that even alterations such as "debunker talk" are infringements when reasonable people would agree that that was the motive in creating and using it.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Well, then perhaps Nancy should sue us. You are so lame Max. If you really want to walk down this path, perhaps we can provide you with examples of Nancy plagiarizing the intellectual property of others. I guess that's ok with you, because face it, you are not only off the fence, you sleep under Nancy's bed.
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I will agree that refereeing free speech is "tricky". American case law is VOLUMINOUS on this issue, as what consitutes "free speech" is HARDLY a black and white issue. Often it is purely a judgment call in MANY cases, as the rights of MANY have to be weighed equitably. Bottom line, you are not entitled to self-referential defense - i.e., you are NOT entitled to use your "free speech" to infringe the "free speech" of another.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


This might apply to people who disrupt her thread and thats her good right, thats one reason why the boycott was started I guess ... she has her rules in her thread and most of the regular debunkers respect that ... but it does not apply to people who post in the debunkers thread, since we disturb her thread in no way.

This thread should be about her claims, not about her bans. But it is connected somehow, because if she bans people here it shows that her behaviour is that of a cult leader (a very small one though) who does not accept another opinion and that her claims dont stand a real discussion. It also shows that her behaviour is not STO as she claims, but pure egomaniac ruling of her little world.

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I'm not "calling" for it, I'm simply "lampooning" it. Think of it like you would "rolling your eyes" as a bouncer kicks a rowdy troublemaker out of your favorite watering hole, with the evictee screaming how he has a "right" to be disruptive, and that the bouncer is abusing "him" as his ass is shoved out the door!


Posting on the debunkers thread is not disrupting Nancys thread.

Nancy has been doing GLP chats for YEARS now. She was not given mod rights in the beginning, but recieved them when it became clear to Trinity that an orderly chat could not take place without it - there was simply too much spam, name-calling, even threats. After years of putting up with this, she simply bans anyone who so much as "whispers in class". To stupidly say "LET THE DEBUNKING BEGIN" - even in the debunkers thread (which she does monitor the way a security officer monitors the parking lot) - is frankly just BEGGING for a BAN!

So let it written, so let it be DONE.

So you would stifle our right to gather on our own thread, where we are not disrupting Nancy at all. We do not deny her right to have her thread, and while we disagree with her rules, the owner has given her the powers to moderate her chat any way she sees fit. I don't think that includes monitoring others that don't break her rules on other threads. We do not participate in her threads, so how are we disrupting it. What about the clowns that sequestered her thread last night? Why do they get a free pass?

It is a slippery slope, a surprising comment from a person born in what used to be a free country. No wonder your country is in such trouble, when people stop defending the right to speak your mind and call for censorship. Freedom of speech was gained for you by men of much more courage and decency than yourself. It is a shame that you don't appreciate what people in other countries are still willing to die for.

I will agree that refereeing free speech is "tricky". American case law is VOLUMINOUS on this issue, as what consitutes "free speech" is HARDLY a black and white issue. Often it is purely a judgment call in MANY cases, as the rights of MANY have to be weighed equitably. Bottom line, you are not entitled to self-referential defense - i.e., you are NOT entitled to use your "free speech" to infringe the "free speech" of another.

So do tell us, Max, how we are infringing on Nancy's right to say what she likes? We aren't. We have never banned her, we have never censored her and we left her thread to discuss over here because SHE is the one infringing on our right to express our disagreement with her claims. We do it here, where nobody has to come unless they choose to. I think the problem is that more people read here than on Nancy's thread. Free speech needs no refereeing. Only when physical threats are made is there any reason to intervene. I hope there aren't many more people that think like you, or you could end up living in a place more like the Soviet Union than the once proud and free nation of America.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


>> Free speech needs no refereeing.

That is MONSTROUSLY ignorant. I suggest you use Google and research some American cases on the topic. There isn't a judge living today who would agree with that statement.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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