Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,834 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 1,673,376
Pageviews Today: 2,366,131Threads Today: 524Posts Today: 10,792
04:52 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!

 
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
10/12/2009 10:03 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Since you guys think that nothing is going on how do you explain this.

Compass readings.

From October 7
" I do not know if it is related but my compass has moved. Since 3 days my compass has move from it initial set position to 5 degree. My magnetic north is now 5 degree to the east. This is accurate because where the compass sits, there is no metal object, wire or TV."

Also from October 7

"my compass has moved this morning since 2 days, 5 degrees to the east. But by noon it moved back 5 degrees to the west. If it is related to the earth magnetic shift, I do not know.

From yesterday

"Since last Friday, October 9th, 4pm local time, my compass shifted 5 degrees to the east.
Then shifted back few degrees to the west.
But it did not come back yet to its original reading."


Sources:
[link to poleshift.ning.com]

[link to poleshift.ning.com]
 Quoting: Gerard

Are these your readings? Or are they anonymous reports sent to you? If they are anonymous...what have you done to verify that the anomaly took place? In both cases, what have you done to document this? Beyond that, you obviously didn't know that the poles are NOT stationary. They do wander a bit. If you would do just a bit of research, you could save yourself a lot of trouble looking foolish.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 10/12/2009 10:39 AM
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
10/12/2009 10:06 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Nancy on ZetaTalk being down last night:

Perhaps some kind of maintenance, I was not notified. Sunday night just after midnight seems like a sleeper kind of time to do some scheduled maintenance. On MOST website this would pass unnoticed. Ah, but then ZetaTalk is so POPULAR!

ROFLMAO. As far as I can tell, Max is the only one that noticed it was down.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

ZetaTalk is so popular? Based on what? The data I've seen shows quite the opposite.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
Prof_Rabbit

User ID: 780906
Australia
10/12/2009 10:09 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
The Kookometer

If you have used an Internet forum, you will—most likely—have encountered an Internet kook. These unhinged individuals come in many shapes and sizes. They may boast about their monumental contribution to the arts and sciences. They may desperately try to alert the world to some terrible conspiracy. They may complain about being tragically wronged. Despite this variation, every kook shares a common trait: a stubborn willingness to inflict their message upon anyone and everyone.

In previous times, these individuals were largely hidden from view. They might have harangued the local newspaper with letters written in green ink, but their public exposure was minimal. All this changed with the rise of the Internet. The dawning of the global village has elevated them to the status of global village idiots.

The Kookometer uses a Kook-Metric based on eight categories. These are “Vexatious Posting Habits”, “Irksome Writing Style”, “Narcissism”, “Ineptitude at Debate”, “Hysteria”, “Megalomania”, “Absurd Beliefs” and “Bigotry”. Each category is divided into four parameters, which are assessed by being given one of five ratings. These rating are:

[link to www.hyperdeath.co.uk]
"Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind"
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
10/12/2009 10:14 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
By the way cool poster name there, ZD!!


I "thoughtfully" DISAGREE!!!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

I "thoughtfully" disagree that your name is cool. It's but another piece of evidence showing you aren't a fence sitter.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
Prof_Rabbit

User ID: 780906
Australia
10/12/2009 10:22 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
List of internet kooks (wiki)

Nancy's currently at no. 7!

Pseudoscience ...soggers?

* Alex Chiu -- Marketer of life extension cuff links.
* Alexander Abian -- Insane math professor from Iowa State University (deceased). Believed in massive rearrangement of the solar system. Was published -- in the Weekly World News.
* Ahmet Cosar -- the operator of early Usenet spambot "Serdar Argic"; went on a mad spam frenzy in 1994 pushing anti-Armenian hatred, accusing the Armenians of perpetuating a genocide on Turks and Azeris.
* David dIcke -- Weird. Not purely internet - all over the weirdscape.
* John Kwok Anti-science and evolution troll.
* Archimedes Plutonium -- Janitor at Dartmouth College; known for a bizarre fascination with the plutonium atom and a series of bogus mathematical proofs designed to establish him as the greatest genius on Earth.
* Nancy Lieder -- Frumpy channeler who hears aliens talking to her in her head. Runs the New Age apocalyptic cult ZetaTalk.
* Gene Ray -- An old guy. Likes to rant about time and cubes. Nobody knows what he's talking about, but college debating societies have invited him to campus to serve as target practice.
* Jack Sarfatti -- A PhD physicist and Geller-gawker in the 70s, a flat out loony on Usenet in the 90s.
* Frank R. Wallace -- the now-deceased promoter of Neo-Tech.
* Sanford Wallace -- the king of Internet spam (and proud of it, apparently.)

[link to rationalwiki.com]
"Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind"
ZetasDebunkinator
User ID: 792126
Germany
10/12/2009 10:33 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
 Quoting: Prof_Rabbit



rofl Awesome find.

[link to rationalwiki.com]
Returner
User ID: 997
United States
10/12/2009 10:37 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Sounds like Nancy and Kook #8, Gene Ray, might be a good match!

We should get them together, see if (crazy) Love blossoms. Man, I can just hear those wedding vows now -- Zetas and cubes and PX and time! That would be a video worth seeing.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 792126
Germany
10/12/2009 10:40 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
laugh

Eventually Nancy announced that Nibiru would pass by Earth in March of 2003, causing all sorts of problems for the unsuspecting human race, including the fabled pole shift. In the early 2000s, she started doing "Live Chat" sessions on the Godlike Productions conspiracy forums, where people would ask the Zetas questions and she would respond for them. She advised people on how to prepare for the shift - stockpile canned food, build underground shelters, and kill all of your pets. Followers posted shots of lights in the night sky, insisting that Nibiru was becoming visible to the naked eye. Nancy's star rose high enough that even Phil Plait took notice, devoting a debunking page on the still-young Bad Astronomy site to the utter ridiculousness of the Nibiru / Planet X myth.

When March 2003 came and went without any sign of catatstrophe, Nancy declared that the prophecy was a "White Lie" told by the Zetas to throw off Them. If she gave a real date for the arrival of Planet X, They would declare martial law and confine everyone to large cities so that the majority of the population would die in the pole shift. Her masterstroke complete, Ms. Lieder declared that Planet X had in fact arrived in the inner solar system, though it was currently sitting motionless behind the sun. When asked why it was not visible at any time of the year, she declared that Earth had been stopped dead in its orbit by Nibiru's gravitational pull and was similarly sitting motionless in space. When asked why different constellations were visible throughout the year, she waffled a bit and said something about the earth wobbling on its axis. Mystery solved!

1rof1 chuckle lmao lol

From here [link to rationalwiki.com]
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
10/12/2009 10:43 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Whoever wrote and posted that got the date wrong...it wasn't March 2003 but May 2003. Not that it really matters...she failed either way and has continued to fail ever since.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
tater

User ID: 792294
United States
10/12/2009 10:44 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
List of internet kooks (wiki)

Nancy's currently at no. 7!

Pseudoscience ...soggers?

* Alex Chiu -- Marketer of life extension cuff links.
* Alexander Abian -- Insane math professor from Iowa State University (deceased). Believed in massive rearrangement of the solar system. Was published -- in the Weekly World News.
* Ahmet Cosar -- the operator of early Usenet spambot "Serdar Argic"; went on a mad spam frenzy in 1994 pushing anti-Armenian hatred, accusing the Armenians of perpetuating a genocide on Turks and Azeris.
* David dIcke -- Weird. Not purely internet - all over the weirdscape.
* John Kwok Anti-science and evolution troll.
* Archimedes Plutonium -- Janitor at Dartmouth College; known for a bizarre fascination with the plutonium atom and a series of bogus mathematical proofs designed to establish him as the greatest genius on Earth.
* Nancy Lieder -- Frumpy channeler who hears aliens talking to her in her head. Runs the New Age apocalyptic cult ZetaTalk.
* Gene Ray -- An old guy. Likes to rant about time and cubes. Nobody knows what he's talking about, but college debating societies have invited him to campus to serve as target practice.
* Jack Sarfatti -- A PhD physicist and Geller-gawker in the 70s, a flat out loony on Usenet in the 90s.
* Frank R. Wallace -- the now-deceased promoter of Neo-Tech.
* Sanford Wallace -- the king of Internet spam (and proud of it, apparently.)

[link to rationalwiki.com]
 Quoting: Prof_Rabbit



That's a very accurate description of Nancy.

:)
Pleeb
User ID: 616688
United States
10/12/2009 10:47 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
A VID OF NANCY WHEN ZETAS FIRST TRIED TO CONTACT HER
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
10/12/2009 11:06 AM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Come on, Nancy...with just a bit more work you could be kook #1!
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
prof_rabbit nli
User ID: 780906
Australia
10/12/2009 11:48 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Come on, Nancy...with just a bit more work you could be kook #1!
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Nancy reached the dizzy heights of no. 1 in 2003 but it's all down hill after the great Nancy lie.
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
10/12/2009 12:03 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Nancy reached the dizzy heights of no. 1 in 2003 but it's all down hill after the great Nancy lie.
 Quoting: prof_rabbit nli 780906


True...but Max says her appeal will be growing soon and with just a little effort and better creativity, she could be back on top of her game. As for Max's claim that her popularity will be rising...I think that's possible. However, that will only be because we're approaching 2012. As we get closer, more and more people will become interested to see what all the apocalyptic doomsayers are saying. That doesn't mean any of them will believe her...although User tries to imply that one's popularity also means people believe what the person said. Anyway, once 2012 comes and goes...any popularity she had will quickly taper off again like it did in 2003.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 10/12/2009 12:05 PM
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
***ZetaMax***

User ID: 659599
United States
10/12/2009 12:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Nancy reached the dizzy heights of no. 1 in 2003 but it's all down hill after the great Nancy lie.


True...but Max says her appeal will be growing soon and with just a little effort and better creativity, she could be back on top of her game. As for Max's claim that her popularity will be rising...I think that's possible. However, that will only be because we're approaching 2012. As we get closer, more and more people will become interested to see what all the apocalyptic doomsayers are saying. That doesn't mean any of them will believe her...although User tries to imply that one's popularity also means people believe what the person said. Anyway, once 2012 comes and goes...any popularity she had will quickly taper off again like it did in 2003.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

Maybe you're right - and maybe she was wrong to predict a "depression" ...

(Got a [cover] job yet???)

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 10/12/2009 12:28 PM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

ZetaMax
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 787502
United Kingdom
10/12/2009 12:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Your a troll Zetamax. You do not believe anything you say

I have no idea why you would spend so much time trying to irate and anger these debunkers. It truely is one of the saddest things a human could do. AND FOR YEARS. wow. An absolutley disgusting excuse for a human being. Now the debunkers are also sad and pathetic for "debating" you all these years. I would never waste that kind of time on the likes of you. But you are still the very, very worst.
Returner
User ID: 997
United States
10/12/2009 12:47 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Sadly, Nancy's 15 minutes of fame passed years ago. She won't even be on the Internet Kooks List the next time it's updated.

Even ZetMax and his tireless shilling for ZT won't be able to change that.

In fact, Max, you really should pick a new paranoid fantasy to champion. I'm sure there's a fresh new apocalypse group out there somewhere, just itching for new recruits. Heck, Maxy, you already know the doomsday drill -- deflect facts with fiction, make up natural and physical laws to excuse the flaws in the fantasy world being promoted, accuse your detractors of being shadowy government agents with some sisnister secret agenda.

You'd be a shoo-in! Get thee to Google, old sock. Time to start anew.
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
10/12/2009 12:55 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Maybe you're right - and maybe she was wrong to predict a "depression" ...
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

I am and she was.

(Got a [cover] job yet???)
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Cover job? Are you even looking for one? Or are you just going to continue being an obvious paid shill for Nancy?

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 10/12/2009 12:58 PM
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
J.William Dell

User ID: 639476
Canada
10/12/2009 01:11 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
Oh, and the FACTS are (debunkers don't care about facts) that my website gets 3 times the number of hits as it did in 2002-2003. Them's the FACTS.

[link to www.alexa.com]
Percent of global Internet users who visit zetatalk.com:
-8%
Percent of global pageviews on zetatalk.com:
-19%
Daily pageviews per user for zetatalk.com:
-12%
Daily time on site for zetatalk.com:
-35%
She still gets more hits than I though though. The numbers above dont show what how it was in 2002/03 though ... but in the last few months its going down. But still I have to confess its more popular than I thought.

Did she had a pinned thread on GLP in 2003/03 btw ? Was GLP as known in 2002/03 like today ? This has all to be taken into consideration when evaluating the statistics.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 792126


She was posting on yahoo groups (TT-watch) Sci.Astro and IRC chat in early 2003. Not pinned thread on GLP until after May 2003.

Interest leading up to May 2003 would have pushed Zetatock numbers up to highest point.

I don't have the link to back up traffic comment, perhaps someone else has.

3 times the numbers 2003 vs 2009? Highly doubtful.

JWD
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
10/12/2009 01:28 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
I definitely believe that her statement of getting 3 times more traffic to her site today than in 2003 is just another empty claim in an effort to convince others she's more popular than she really is...hoping it will draw others to her site. Unfortunately, that simply isn't supported by the data that's available.

Using Alexa, her site ranks 97,204 among Alexa users. That means there are 97,203 sites that rank higher among Alexa users. In the U.S. alone, she ranks 58,728 with 35.1% of her traffic coming solely from the U.S...which is the largest source of traffic to her site. As previously shown, her Traffic Rank, Reach and Page Views are all down...8% or more. Something I find interesting is the Demographics tab. A majority of the people who go to ZetaTalk are between 55 and 64, female, most have no college education, while others have some college education and are almost all users are viewing ZetaTalk from home (as it should be really). What does this tell me? It tells me something that has been suggested before - that a majority of those who believe Nancy are not highly educated and may explain why some of them believe her.

Granted, this is based on Alexa users. But, like any poll, it is a sampling and is, IMO, no less accurate. Max can make of it whatever he wants but I believe the information shows a trend of decline...not increase...in popularity. I wish there was a way to compare to her 2003 numbers. I know they were significantly higher...even though there were fewer Internet and Alexa users back then.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 10/12/2009 02:03 PM
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 792427
United Kingdom
10/12/2009 02:02 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
"Nancy Lieder -- Frumpy channeler who hears aliens talking to her in her head. Runs the New Age apocalyptic cult ZetaTalk."

Frumpy channeler! I love it!

:5:
Circuit Breaker

User ID: 766491
United States
10/12/2009 02:03 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
They forgot to mention the Starburst.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 792427
United Kingdom
10/12/2009 02:04 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
When Alexa use to show that far back(!) she did indeed have a big spike in May 2003, and a few others in the following months as 'aftershocks' hit ZetaTalk.

Then it got to the 'chronic unpopular' level, where it remains.
***ZetaMax***

User ID: 659599
United States
10/12/2009 02:08 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
They forgot to mention the Starburst.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Thread: Breaking! Crane Collapse In Philly; Reports Of People Trapped

zright
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

ZetaMax
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 792427
United Kingdom
10/12/2009 02:10 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
They forgot to mention the Starburst.


Thread: Breaking! Crane Collapse In Philly; Reports Of People Trapped

:zright:
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


What does a collapsing crane have to do with anything???

You're slipping ZM. The quality of your B.S. is falling.

How's the 'Frumpy Chaneller'?
Returner
User ID: 997
United States
10/12/2009 02:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
In the mind of a true ZT believer, a collapsing fan is clear PROOF of PX because why else would a crane collapse if not being destroyed from above by a peek-a-boo planetoid?

And really, Max linking to a collapsing crane story as in reference to Nancy's unwrapped Starburst candy makes as much sense as anything else. The link could be just as compelling if it concerned pygmy giraffes or chronic dandruff.
***ZetaMax***

User ID: 659599
United States
10/12/2009 02:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
They forgot to mention the Starburst.


Thread: Breaking! Crane Collapse In Philly; Reports Of People Trapped

zright


What does a collapsing crane have to do with anything???

You're slipping ZM. The quality of your B.S. is falling.

How's the 'Frumpy Chaneller'?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 792427


ZetaTalk: GodlikeProduction Live
written June 7, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Birds, and airplanes in flight, can adjust when buffeted about by wind currents by lowering their wings or flaps, tilting upward or downward, and increasing speed. This works unless the bird or plane does not have the air space to maneuver and crashes into the ground before an adjustment is possible. Fish, seals and submarines in the oceans likewise have many maneuvers to reposition themselves when encountering unexpected currents. Losing balance, even being tipped upside down, is not fatal as long as there is room to maneuver. Cranes are different, as being secured at the base they lack maneuverability. Cranes are structured to be able to offset the weight of the load by the weight of the crane's ballast. This operation assumes that both the load and the ballast can rely upon the crane's center to be solidly secure.

The Earth is currently experiencing a daily wobble, as has been much discussed. What this does is create more air currents for planes in the air. What this does is create more erratic tides for fish in the sea. But what this does to cranes is offset the delicate balance that is at the heart of crane operation. Unlike the birds in the sky or the fish in the sea, the crane cannot maneuver to rebalance itself once it starts to tip sideways. Gravity takes over, and pulls the crane to the side, an angle the crane is not prepared to expect. Cranes expect the load and ballast to be the issue, and if the ballast is not sufficient to lift the load, the load simply does not lift. Once the load is in the air, the crane can swing round to the side, slowly, but the movement does not change the essential dynamics of crane operations - that the sum weight of the load and ballast are focused down onto the crane base, with no side to side stress on this base.

A tightrope walker can adjust to a stepping error or gust of wind by shifting the pole the walker carries. But if the wind is too strong, or the misstep too great, balance is lost. The Earth wobble is like a gust of wind for a crane, in that the base is moved, suddenly, to one side, leaving the load and ballast off center. This is a stress the crane was not designed to sustain, and bolts and cables snap. Our analysis will be ridiculed, as those who do not want to realize that the Earth is in the grip of an approaching planet that will literally turn their lives upside down resist this realization. But an analysis will show that in all other cases there is room to maneuver. Elevators allow for sway in the car as wind can cause a tall building to sway. Cars and trucks on the road have no more stress during such a wobble than they would experience rounding curves in the road. Bridges have flex points that allow the bridge to expand or contract in the cold. Only cranes require that their base not be buffeted, by anything, during operation.

The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

ZetaMax
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 792427
United Kingdom
10/12/2009 02:18 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
In the mind of a true ZT believer, a collapsing fan is clear PROOF of PX because why else would a crane collapse if not being destroyed from above by a peek-a-boo planetoid?

And really, Max linking to a collapsing crane story as in reference to Nancy's unwrapped Starburst candy makes as much sense as anything else. The link could be just as compelling if it concerned pygmy giraffes or chronic dandruff.
 Quoting: Returner 997


I believe Nancy blamed her chronic dandruff on the sweeping arms a while back. I definitely feel a strong repulsion force for her.
Returner
User ID: 997
United States
10/12/2009 02:19 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
See? Wobbling, cranes, as has been discussed, blah blah blah.

Utter and complete nonsense from start to finish.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 792427
United Kingdom
10/12/2009 02:19 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!
They forgot to mention the Starburst.


Thread: Breaking! Crane Collapse In Philly; Reports Of People Trapped

:zright:


What does a collapsing crane have to do with anything???

You're slipping ZM. The quality of your B.S. is falling.

How's the 'Frumpy Chaneller'?


ZetaTalk: GodlikeProduction Live
written June 7, 2008 on the GodlikeProduction live chat.

[link to www.zetatalk.com]

Birds, and airplanes in flight, can adjust when buffeted about by wind currents by lowering their wings or flaps, tilting upward or downward, and increasing speed. This works unless the bird or plane does not have the air space to maneuver and crashes into the ground before an adjustment is possible. Fish, seals and submarines in the oceans likewise have many maneuvers to reposition themselves when encountering unexpected currents. Losing balance, even being tipped upside down, is not fatal as long as there is room to maneuver. Cranes are different, as being secured at the base they lack maneuverability. Cranes are structured to be able to offset the weight of the load by the weight of the crane's ballast. This operation assumes that both the load and the ballast can rely upon the crane's center to be solidly secure.

The Earth is currently experiencing a daily wobble, as has been much discussed. What this does is create more air currents for planes in the air. What this does is create more erratic tides for fish in the sea. But what this does to cranes is offset the delicate balance that is at the heart of crane operation. Unlike the birds in the sky or the fish in the sea, the crane cannot maneuver to rebalance itself once it starts to tip sideways. Gravity takes over, and pulls the crane to the side, an angle the crane is not prepared to expect. Cranes expect the load and ballast to be the issue, and if the ballast is not sufficient to lift the load, the load simply does not lift. Once the load is in the air, the crane can swing round to the side, slowly, but the movement does not change the essential dynamics of crane operations - that the sum weight of the load and ballast are focused down onto the crane base, with no side to side stress on this base.

A tightrope walker can adjust to a stepping error or gust of wind by shifting the pole the walker carries. But if the wind is too strong, or the misstep too great, balance is lost. The Earth wobble is like a gust of wind for a crane, in that the base is moved, suddenly, to one side, leaving the load and ballast off center. This is a stress the crane was not designed to sustain, and bolts and cables snap. Our analysis will be ridiculed, as those who do not want to realize that the Earth is in the grip of an approaching planet that will literally turn their lives upside down resist this realization. But an analysis will show that in all other cases there is room to maneuver. Elevators allow for sway in the car as wind can cause a tall building to sway. Cars and trucks on the road have no more stress during such a wobble than they would experience rounding curves in the road. Bridges have flex points that allow the bridge to expand or contract in the cold. Only cranes require that their base not be buffeted, by anything, during operation.

 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


If it was due to Earth Wobble ALL the cranes would faal over at once, not just one or two!

Dork. Do you not have ANY rational thought processes?

News