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I don't consider it a bust because the articles I read about the experiment prior to it happening said that any plume would be difficult to see. So I simply fail to see what the problem is. Those calling it a failure are doing so simply because it didn't meet their expectations.
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Did you read that the plume would be difficult to see on the NASA site?
"MEDIA ADVISORY : M09-126 NASA Ames to Showcase Spectacular LCROSS Lunar Impacts"

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These days, the vast majority of the Great Unwashed are too busy waddling around Wal-Mart in search of new and exciting NASCAR headwear to pay any attention to NASA. Or science. Or hygiene, for that matter, but I digress.

I think the space agency gave up years ago trying to capture the imagination of a people gone too damned stupid to understand the importance of space exploration.

Luckily, there have been enough people left in government to keep some funding going. But that's despite the public, not because of them.


I disagree. The health and direction of NASA is up to the US government, its leaders and the US military. These people are responsible for the demise and lackluster performance of the NASA programs and not due to the lack of imagination and direction of the unwashed masses. Without imaginative, educated and motivated leaders the nation fails. The unwashed masses have always wanted the latest popular trends . . . from the beginning of civilization.





These debunkers always look less than sincere, especially on this latest NASA flub. One them went so far as seeing a plume NOBODY else saw, NASA included. He has been called on it many times already, yet he all he does is bang his fists and stomps his feet and insists he SAW it, in infra-red. But, the fact is, it wasn't there. His LIE is right out there for all to see.

Good for you on this one Dr Postman ... the bullshit you spew got all over ya. NASA must be very proud of you right now!
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Fully AGREED!!!

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Fully AGREED!!!

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And I fully agree that you and User spew nothing but manure. So...now aren't all content?
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Did you read that the plume would be difficult to see on the NASA site?
"MEDIA ADVISORY : M09-126 NASA Ames to Showcase Spectacular LCROSS Lunar Impacts"
 Quoting: George B

Okay...so they aimed to. It didn't happen. So what? Does that mean the experiment was a failure? No.

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Fully AGREED!!!

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Hardly a glowing endorsement of the accuracy of Luser's comments.
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How about Luser and Max address this: If you criticise Dr. Postman, why do you not do the same for Nancy, who has a slew of predictions that never happened? Why is it ok for Nancy but unacceptable for anyone else? From what I can tell, Dr. P hasn't lied about anything, but Nancy has. Tag team trolls.
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Somehow, I doubt you'll get a response out of them on that.
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How about Luser and Max address this: If you criticise Dr. Postman, why do you not do the same for Nancy, who has a slew of predictions that never happened? Why is it ok for Nancy but unacceptable for anyone else? From what I can tell, Dr. P hasn't lied about anything, but Nancy has. Tag team trolls.
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>> If you criticise Dr. Postman, why do you not do the same for Nancy, who has a slew of predictions that never happened?

Because there are no seats on that bus, that plane is full, and there are no beds at that inn. In fact there's a waiting list.

The planet should probably be renamed HearDth.

failbus

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 10/14/2009 05:00 PM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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Max, your post above seems to be a slam against Nancy herself. Is that what you meant to convey?
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Oh, and that bus in your graphic -- was that taken during the ZetaTalk Truth Tour of 2002?

What a tragic loss. Especially for the six ZTers who perished in the river when the truck plunged into the water and they couldn't get the tail-gate down...
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I don't consider it a bust because the articles I read about the experiment prior to it happening said that any plume would be difficult to see. So I simply fail to see what the problem is. Those calling it a failure are doing so simply because it didn't meet their expectations.



Did you read that the plume would be difficult to see on the NASA site?
"MEDIA ADVISORY : M09-126 NASA Ames to Showcase Spectacular LCROSS Lunar Impacts"
 Quoting: George B


Yes. From:

[link to www.nasa.gov]

"All of the following is based on an assumed earth visible ejecta cloud rising to 6Km above the lunar surface and crater wall. Latest estimates of the Cabeus proper crater impact site indicate the first two or three kilometers of that plume height (the brightest parts) may not be viewable from earth, but that the plume will hopefully have crater wall shadow behind it to help us see it. Impact design location is to maximize the amount of this in sunlight, but variables here will determine how much of it is actually illuminated, and it may be that only the high power instruments will see good contrast. But we don't know for sure."
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I don't consider it a bust because the articles I read about the experiment prior to it happening said that any plume would be difficult to see. So I simply fail to see what the problem is. Those calling it a failure are doing so simply because it didn't meet their expectations.



Did you read that the plume would be difficult to see on the NASA site?
"MEDIA ADVISORY : M09-126 NASA Ames to Showcase Spectacular LCROSS Lunar Impacts"


Yes. From:

[link to www.nasa.gov]

"All of the following is based on an assumed earth visible ejecta cloud rising to 6Km above the lunar surface and crater wall. Latest estimates of the Cabeus proper crater impact site indicate the first two or three kilometers of that plume height (the brightest parts) may not be viewable from earth, but that the plume will hopefully have crater wall shadow behind it to help us see it. Impact design location is to maximize the amount of this in sunlight, but variables here will determine how much of it is actually illuminated, and it may be that only the high power instruments will see good contrast. But we don't know for sure."
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Funny, I found this at the same site:

Observations and Impact Timing This image shows the terrestrial landmasses that will be facing the Moon at the projected time of impact. This is the view of the Earth as seen from the lunar south pole at the time of impact.
Credit: NASA
Click image for full resolution. The LCROSS Centaur impact is scheduled for 4:31:19 a.m. PDT or 7:31:19 a.m. EDT (11:31:19 UTC) on October 9, 2009. The shepherding spacecraft will impact at 4:35:45 a.m. PDT or 7:35:45 a.m. EDT (11:35:45 UTC). Mission scientists estimate that the Centaur impact debris plume should be in view several seconds after Centaur impact and will peak in brightness at 30 to 100 seconds after impact.

Lunar Impact Locations
Centaur: -84.675, 311.275 E
Shepherding spacecraft: -84.729, 310.64 E

Click here for in-depth information about the location and timing of the impacts.


Time Zone Lighting Conditions for Viewing
Eastern Daybreak will prevent viewing of the debris plumes.
Central Best viewing is West of the Mississippi River.
Mountain Excellent lighting conditions.
Pacific Excellent lighting conditions.
Alaska Excellent lighting conditions.
Hawaii Excellent lighting conditions.




Get your viewing party started with an LCROSS Impact Party Kit.
Amateur astronomers are encouraged to join the LCROSS observation campaign and the LCROSS Citizen Science campaign.

Viewing the impacts for the casual observer will be very complicated. The impacts will not be visible to the naked eye or using binoculars. Mission scientists estimate that the Centaur impact will be visible using a telescope with a diameter of 10-12 inches or larger. Telescopes with smaller diameters or lesser capability may not be powerful. Click here for a list of telescopes and viewing ranges.

For more information about viewing the impacts, visit the Frequently Asked Questions.
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Did you read that the plume would be difficult to see on the NASA site?
"MEDIA ADVISORY : M09-126 NASA Ames to Showcase Spectacular LCROSS Lunar Impacts"

Okay...so they aimed to. It didn't happen. So what? Does that mean the experiment was a failure? No.
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Do we really know if it was a success or not? Have they announced the percentage of water in moon material ejected from the impacts?

NASA already knows the following:

Water Detected at High Latitudes on the Moon
NASA's Moon Mineralogy Mapper, an instrument on the Indian Space Research Organization's Chandrayaan-1 mission, took this image of Earth's moon. It is a three-color composite of reflected near-infrared radiation from the sun, and illustrates the extent to which different materials are mapped across the side of the moon that faces Earth.

Small amounts of water were detected on the surface of the moon at various locations. This image illustrates their distribution at high latitudes toward the poles.

Blue shows the signature of water, green shows the brightness of the surface as measured by reflected infrared radiation from the sun and red shows an iron-bearing mineral called pyroxene.

Image Credit: ISRO/NASA/JPL-Caltech/Brown Univ./USGS

From Astronomer Justification document
see below:

LCROSS Science Goals
The LCROSS mission science goals, in order of priority, are:
1. Confirm the presence or absence of water ice in a permanently shadowed region on the Moon2. Identify the form/state of hydrogen observed by Lunar Prospector at the lunar poles
3. Quantify, if present, the amount of water in the lunar regolith, with respect to hydrogen concentrations observed by Lunar Prospector4. Characterize the lunar regolith within a permanently shadowed crater on the Moon
[link to lcross.arc.nasa.gov]

Update (October 9th): At a press conference 2½ hours after the impacts Monday morning, NASA's LCROSS team members were upbeat. They reported that the spacecraft and its instruments all performed "beautifully," but warned "It takes a while to comb through the data." Anthony Colaprete, the LCROSS principal investigator, said "we saw the crater" from the Centaur rocket-body impact and recorded other high-quality data, but he declined to say anything about water yet. (LCROSS was designed to detect an amount of frost in the soil as small as 1 part in 200.)

[link to www.skyandtelescope.com]

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However, the results were more positive from the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, which was nearly overhead in its polar orbit and only 48 miles (76 km) from ground zero.

For example, all four of the heat-sensing channels on LRO's Diviner instrument picked up a pulse of warmth from the impact site after the crash. According to the Diviner team's news blog, the "hot pixels" in their scans imply that "the LCROSS impact resulted in significant local heating of the lunar surface."

The LAMP instrument (Lyman-Alpha Mapping Project) on LRO viewed the plume from the LCROSS crash against the dark sky beyond the lunar limb. "We do see a blip in total signal beginning a few tens of seconds after the impact," comments principal investigator Alan Stern (Southwest Research Institute). "There are several lines that show up, like one we think is Al III [doubly ionized aluminum]; those are most likely due to the spacecraft and perhaps some lunar material that has vaporized."


Update (October 10th): So far two instruments on the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) have positive detections. LAMP, an ultraviolet spectrometer, has a confirmed detection of the ejecta plume, and its team has begun analyzing that data. The Diviner instrument, which measures surface temperatures, has recorded before/after changes at the impact site.


•At Keck Observatory in Hawaii, Diane Wooden (NASA/ Ames Research Center) used the 10-meter Keck II telescope with its Near-Infrared Echelle Spectrograph (NIRSPEC) to look for the signature of water vapor. According to a Keck press release, "Wooden and the other LCROSS astronomers are currently evaluating the spectroscopic data collected at Keck and the other Mauna Kea observatories for the water-vapor signature. The team plans to report their results early next week."

Theorists predicted that the rocket's strike should kick up 350 tons of debris and create a flash in visible light. From Earth's viewpoint, the flash site was hidden by the rim of the target crater. No one knew how visible the transient debris plumes rising above the crater wall might be during the next minute or so, but LCROSS scientists estimated that the main plume might appear about as bright as the lunar surface itself in the area and, as seen from Earth, a few arcseconds in size at its peak.


My comments...in other words, damn hard to see!
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My comments...in other words, damn hard to see!
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Will you agree NASA expected more?

Get your viewing party started with an LCROSS Impact Party Kit

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My comments...in other words, damn hard to see!


Will you agree NASA expected more?

Get your viewing party started with an LCROSS Impact Party Kit
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I agree that NASA's PR folks overhyped the viewability, especially given all the caveats noted by the actual astronomers. But bear in mind that this was an experiment...i.e. they didn't exactly know what the outcome would be...if they did, they wouldn't have had to do the experiment.
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One NASA web site mentioned that at best the plume would be one-ninth the apparent diameter of Jupiter in size. With that in mind, I'm surprized that the "backyard viewablity" was hyped given that inexpensive telescopes can barely see any detail at all on Jupiter, let alone something one-ninth it's diameter in a permanently shadowed crator against the bright background of the surrounding landscape! On top of that, anyone east of the Mississippi River (as I am) was in total sunlight when the event happened. Someone in the PR department was a bit publicity crazy. Otherwise, the event came off perfectly on time and on target.
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Someone in the PR department was a bit publicity crazy. Otherwise, the event came off perfectly on time and on target.
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You are right on target! P.R. is the problem; however, like many large and important institutions P.R. is tightly controlled by the top of the organization. Nothing gets out unless they approve. NASA leadership is totally implicated in this situation.
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Someone in the PR department was a bit publicity crazy. Otherwise, the event came off perfectly on time and on target.


You are right on target! P.R. is the problem; however, like many large and important institutions P.R. is tightly controlled by the top of the organization. Nothing gets out unless they approve. NASA leadership is totally implicated in this situation.
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I disagree. I personally know the webmaster for one of NASA's project web sites (not LCROSS) and she is pretty much on her own.
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Because there are no seats on that bus, that plane is full, and there are no beds at that inn. In fact there's a waiting list.
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Yes...it's full because it's one of those special short buses.

s_bus

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It appears that User did his usual "post and run."
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It appears that User did his usual "post and run."
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Would anyone expect any different from the Luser?
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Yep, The Melfster is indeed a troll in the sense that Melfy comes to the likes of Planet X/Zetatalk/Nancy LIEDer related threads on GLP to basically roleplay on both sides of the fence. Mostly though being camped on the Zetatalk home base. ZetaMax wants GLP to believe that ZetaMax is "sitting on the fence". This is what ZetaMax puts out there but we know in reality that ZetaMax is nothing more than the advertisement arm of Zetatalk.com on GLP.

I have uncovered some interesting things about the
character behind the mask that is the poster ***ZetaMax***. I know already that the seasoned debunkers here inparticular, who have interacted with ZetaMax over a long period, have come to realise that the poster ZetaMax is indeed not being fully truthful as to the person "he" claims to be, in regards to Zetatalk. That's too obvious actually. I have discovered many other "truths" about the poster ***ZetaMax*** "inside" and "outside" of GLP.....and may well share my maxie at a later date.

Why am I interested in the character, ZetaMax?

Well I guess it has alot to do with the fact that, Ms LIEDer has really become like a good old merry go round attraction on GLP. I mean if you went and checked out, say the last six years since her May 2003 failure, then you basically get a repetitive dose of her failed claims leading up to May 2003. Ms LIEDer offers next to nothing new, from her many failed claims, that hasn't already been absolutely debunked on GLP. The significance of the upcoming year of 2012, for Nancy, is seemingly nothing more than an opportunity to cast her net of repetitive failed claims to catch a new breed of disciples. And from what we can observe on GLP currently Ms LIEDer is even failing in that department. With ZetaMax we have at least a colourful roleplaying troll that constantly throws stones from within his badly damaged Glass House!!

So back to, ZetaMax. Well the most intriguing aspect I find is his mysterious connection to Nancy LIEDer. I am somewhere caught between the findings, if I may use that term, of Prof Rabbit and DrPostman. Let's just say that at the very least I can conclude that ZetaMax is roleplaying as a sockpuppet to garnish reaction and attention from the GLP community towards zetatalk. Imo there are similarities between what ZetaMax does and how elle used to behave on GLP. However there are striking differences between the two as far as their connections to Ms LIEDer go.

Note: I accidentally deleted some thoughts I had on the elle and ZetaMax GLP behaviour relationship. But I am definitely NOT declaring that elle and ZetaMax are necessarily one and the same; far from it. Now ZetaMax did show up on Nancy LIEDer related threads some months after elle went on her long term camping trip but ZetaMax, in other forms, was here on GLP during elle's GLP stint. It is only as ZetaMax though that we see any kind of similarity between elle and ZetaMax as spokespeople for zetatalk/Nancy LIEDer.

Interestingly enough you will find on numerous occasions where ZetaMax has spoken on behalf of Nancy, during her chat sessions, with virtually NO admonishment from Nancy herself(That I can find). Sure, as ZetaMax has stated that he has sometimes participated as an AC during Ms LIEDer's chat sessions, it is the above reality of answering questions addressed to the Zetas that catches the eye. Now given her past GLP vehement protection of her Zeta emissary status I find this "non action" attitude towards ZetaMax quite mysterious behaviour from The LIEDer indeed. I mean the woman shares the emissary platform with NO ONE!!

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Someone in the PR department was a bit publicity crazy. Otherwise, the event came off perfectly on time and on target.


You are right on target! P.R. is the problem; however, like many large and important institutions P.R. is tightly controlled by the top of the organization. Nothing gets out unless they approve. NASA leadership is totally implicated in this situation.


I disagree. I personally know the webmaster for one of NASA's project web sites (not LCROSS) and she is pretty much on her own.
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You are telling me the webmaster decides which article, publication, and what project is to be publicized. And she will decide what the publications contain. Hope she has a good 401K. I can't believe she has much discretion at all . . . she may decide (within the website) publication location, number of pictures and illustrations, format of information and the font and color but little else. Believe me she takes her marching orders from someone else . . . she does not establish policy, only the big boys are allowed to do that. If what you say is true no wonder NASA is capable of such P.R. blunders.
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Because there are no seats on that bus, that plane is full, and there are no beds at that inn. In fact there's a waiting list.

Yes...it's full because it's one of those special short buses.

s_bus
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Wow, history repeats itself. User #78/68 pointed out to us all your prejudice and proclivity for pouring out abuse towards the mentally disabled.

Congrats CB, for once again lowering the bar for debunkers.

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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Your desperation is showing Max. Too bad you can't stay on topic. Too bad you change the subject and abandon all discussion when you find yourself backed into a corner by logic and evidence. You still haven't explained the relevance to the topic of this thread, ZetaTalk of the links you provided for the alien fish and the landslide. We all know you are a troll. I think it's time to stop feeding you.
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>> If you criticise Dr. Postman, why do you not do the same for Nancy, who has a slew of predictions that never happened?

Because there are no seats on that bus, that plane is full, and there are no beds at that inn. In fact there's a waiting list.

The planet should probably be renamed HearDth.

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Hey Maxy, has it ever occurred to you that the reason so many people are against Nancy is that she is a bullshit-spewing wannabe cult leader?
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Wow, history repeats itself. User #78/68 pointed out to us all your prejudice and proclivity for pouring out abuse towards the mentally disabled.
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How do you figure Max? Does the photo have any mentally disabled people in it? Doe the bus say anything about mentally disabled people? No, it doesn't. It says, "The ZetaTalk Short Bus"...nothing else. You used a bus analogy earlier and I simply said the reason the bus is full was because it's a short bus. I said nothing about mentally disabled people. YOU'RE the one that brought it up. So, it sounds to me like you're saying anyone who follows ZetaTalk (i.e. is riding the bus) is mentally disabled.

Congrats CB, for once again lowering the bar for debunkers.
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I did no such thing.

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Yes, you are.
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DrPostman,


There was indeed an IR flash as the Centaur impacted.
[link to antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov]


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Will you agree NASA expected more?

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