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I was actually trying to have someone with knowledge of NASA to comment on Hoagland’s work. People who have no working knowledge of NASA wonder if insiders think he has any status as a scientist, whistleblower, or whatever. Sorry to have upset you, that was not my intention.


Please feel free to peruse through these links. One of them
should be by a mathematician who exposes the flaws in the
hyper dimensional claims he makes:
[link to home.teleport.com]
[link to www.irupert.com]
[link to www.ufowatchdog.com]
[link to members.aol.com]
[link to uplink.space.com]
[link to www.skepticalmind.com]
[link to www.math.washington.edu]
[link to www.badastronomy.com]
[link to quantumfuture.net]

I sat through one of Hoagland's lectures. The man is a
verbose know-it-all who is in love with the sound of his
own voice. That was 6 hours of my life and $10 I want back.




"As immense as that game is, there is a bigger one: Control through fear. As Werner Von Braun related to Dr. Carol Rosin, his spokesperson for the last 4 years of his life, a maniacal machine - the military, industrial, intelligence, laboratory complex - would go from Cold War, to Rogue Nations, to Global Terrorism (the stage we find ourselves at today) to the ultimate trump card: A hoaxed threat from space."
[link to educate-yourself.org]


Von Braun never created, nor did he run NASA. Why can't you
bring yourself to admit that?




Odd that the Alabama Space and rocket Center, the keeper of the Von Braun papers and archives does not know a thing about this woman being anything but a minor PR flak.


He's never been there, while you've been there several times. All he can do is quote stuff off the net.





The point is most of us do not have the knowledge or background to debunk seemingly logical, well presented, and misleading information. If you want to try to fool me regarding, biology, medicine or law I can take you on. I don't even know were to start to debunk astronomy.


Did you mean "astrology"? Real Astronomy doesn't need
debunking because most of it's evidence is very easy to
verify. If you want to know more about science just ask.
That's how I learned what I know.
 Quoting: DrPostman



Not only have I been there, I was a consultant to them for three years. made a nice little nest egg out of it too. They have all of Von Brauns papers and his personal library, which I have been fortunate to spend a lot of time with. Part of the collection are his private calculations and notes on the plans he made for lunar and Mars missions which formed the basis of the famous Collier's magazine articles in the 1950s and the famous series Walt Disney did on space.

And, for one brief lunch hour I got to sit at his desk and verify some of his calculations with his personal slide rule.

Great times, and a great experience.
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Hoagland is an opportunistic whack-job and a liar to boot. I know he claims to be a 'former NASA employee,' but that's crap.


He used to claim that he "addressed the UN and NASA" on Art
Bell's show until some of us on the afa-b usenet group did
some digging and discovered that all he really did was give
a talk to an after-hours recreational club in the cafeteria
at those facilities.

He used to crow about that Angstrom medal until it was
discovered that it wasn't all that legit either, and it
was given to him by a relative and not the organization
after he lied about being the one who came up with the
idea of life on Europa.




It's not about "presenting evidence"


It never is with Zetatalk. That's why astronomers can predict
all kinds of astronomical events and Nancy can't predict a
single one.




And how do you know that all NASA employees are under non disclosure agreements and oaths? Are you an insider, Max, or are you just repeating something somebody wrote on the internet? Please do tell.


Max has never heard of people like James Hanson.




4. The Germans are either very, very elderly or they are dead. Masons? Don't think so. But if you are both as paranoid, and ignorant as Hoagland this may appear to be reasonable, but it doesn't stand up to examination. But then Hoaxland has books to sell, that is how he makes his living so it is to his advantage to tell wild stories that appeal to the mindless masses.


People like Max who believe that NASA was created by German
Nazi scientists are ignoring the work of great men like Robbert
Goddard. Just before he died he got a look at the insides of
a V-2 and saw how many of the components were copies of his
design!

They also ignore that the predecessor to NASA was created
about 90 years ago.



All good points.
Folks like Chris Kraft, Hugh Dryden and Max Faget did more for space engineering than Von Braun, but he was better at PR.

Odd how they forget about NACA, no?


"As immense as that game is, there is a bigger one: Control through fear. As Werner Von Braun related to Dr. Carol Rosin, his spokesperson for the last 4 years of his life, a maniacal machine - the military, industrial, intelligence, laboratory complex - would go from Cold War, to Rogue Nations, to Global Terrorism (the stage we find ourselves at today) to the ultimate trump card: A hoaxed threat from space."

[link to educate-yourself.org]


Odd that the Alabama Space and rocket Center, the keeper of the Von Braun papers and archives does not know a thing about this woman being anything but a minor PR flak.

Once again StinkySockyMaxiMelfy, you believe way too much with no evidence. But that never stopped a dedicated liar and shill like you, has it?

It's called a "cover up". You must never have heard of that term. Typical baboon.



The fact, StinkySockyMaxiMelfy, that you are a liar, shill and zetadrool is the work of either a delusional or dishonest mind can't be covered up.

But apparently you like being a liar and a shill. A smelly sockpuppet too.

You really should raise your goals, boy, going through life as a stupid, lying shill is no way to live. Perhaps you could start with improving your mind. You could use a bag of doorknobs as a target, you will have to work hard to get that smart, but somehow I don't think you will.
 Quoting: The Commentator

Do you treat others this way?
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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That's all you have Max? How about addressing the substance of the comments made. I guess you can't. All you can do is resort to inanities and change the subject. So predictable.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
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Hoagland is an opportunistic whack-job and a liar to boot. I know he claims to be a 'former NASA employee,' but that's crap.


He used to claim that he "addressed the UN and NASA" on Art
Bell's show until some of us on the afa-b usenet group did
some digging and discovered that all he really did was give
a talk to an after-hours recreational club in the cafeteria
at those facilities.

He used to crow about that Angstrom medal until it was
discovered that it wasn't all that legit either, and it
was given to him by a relative and not the organization
after he lied about being the one who came up with the
idea of life on Europa.




It's not about "presenting evidence"


It never is with Zetatalk. That's why astronomers can predict
all kinds of astronomical events and Nancy can't predict a
single one.




And how do you know that all NASA employees are under non disclosure agreements and oaths? Are you an insider, Max, or are you just repeating something somebody wrote on the internet? Please do tell.


Max has never heard of people like James Hanson.




4. The Germans are either very, very elderly or they are dead. Masons? Don't think so. But if you are both as paranoid, and ignorant as Hoagland this may appear to be reasonable, but it doesn't stand up to examination. But then Hoaxland has books to sell, that is how he makes his living so it is to his advantage to tell wild stories that appeal to the mindless masses.


People like Max who believe that NASA was created by German
Nazi scientists are ignoring the work of great men like Robbert
Goddard. Just before he died he got a look at the insides of
a V-2 and saw how many of the components were copies of his
design!

They also ignore that the predecessor to NASA was created
about 90 years ago.



All good points.
Folks like Chris Kraft, Hugh Dryden and Max Faget did more for space engineering than Von Braun, but he was better at PR.

Odd how they forget about NACA, no?


"As immense as that game is, there is a bigger one: Control through fear. As Werner Von Braun related to Dr. Carol Rosin, his spokesperson for the last 4 years of his life, a maniacal machine - the military, industrial, intelligence, laboratory complex - would go from Cold War, to Rogue Nations, to Global Terrorism (the stage we find ourselves at today) to the ultimate trump card: A hoaxed threat from space."

[link to educate-yourself.org]


Odd that the Alabama Space and rocket Center, the keeper of the Von Braun papers and archives does not know a thing about this woman being anything but a minor PR flak.

Once again StinkySockyMaxiMelfy, you believe way too much with no evidence. But that never stopped a dedicated liar and shill like you, has it?

It's called a "cover up". You must never have heard of that term. Typical baboon.



The fact, StinkySockyMaxiMelfy, that you are a liar, shill and zetadrool is the work of either a delusional or dishonest mind can't be covered up.

But apparently you like being a liar and a shill. A smelly sockpuppet too.

You really should raise your goals, boy, going through life as a stupid, lying shill is no way to live. Perhaps you could start with improving your mind. You could use a bag of doorknobs as a target, you will have to work hard to get that smart, but somehow I don't think you will.

Do you treat others this way?
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Nope, just lying asshole shills for whom I have no respect. In short, folks like you.

Now if you want to make a sincere apology for your multiple lies (how many times have you called me and others government agents or paid shills? Never mind, you don't have that many fingers.) and make even the slightest effort to actually learn I will change my opinion, but so long as you act like a shill, so long as you lie, so long as you troll you get no respect from me.

Clear now, boy?
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That's all you have Max? How about addressing the substance of the comments made. I guess you can't. All you can do is resort to inanities and change the subject. So predictable.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

So who am I to believe? "The Commentator" or "Dr. Greer"??
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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That's all you have Max? How about addressing the substance of the comments made. I guess you can't. All you can do is resort to inanities and change the subject. So predictable.

So who am I to believe? "The Commentator" or "Dr. Greer"??
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

ROFLMAO. Silly fence sitter troll.
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That's all you have Max? How about addressing the substance of the comments made. I guess you can't. All you can do is resort to inanities and change the subject. So predictable.

So who am I to believe? "The Commentator" or "Dr. Greer"??
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Typical idiot answer, lying shill MELFY.

Why don't you learn enough so that you can make up your own mind? It is a very, very tiny, very low powered mind so it should not take much to improve it.

Oh wait, it is too easy to tell lies and shill for a delusional, insane, dishonest old bat who hears voices in her head, right, boy?

So I won't hold my breath for your honesty, character or intelligence to improve. Effort does not interest you much, does it, SOCKY?
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"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

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NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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That's all you have Max? How about addressing the substance of the comments made. I guess you can't. All you can do is resort to inanities and change the subject. So predictable.

So who am I to believe? "The Commentator" or "Dr. Greer"??



Typical idiot answer, lying shill MELFY.

Why don't you learn enough so that you can make up your own mind? It is a very, very tiny, very low powered mind so it should not take much to improve it.

Oh wait, it is too easy to tell lies and shill for a delusional, insane, dishonest old bat who hears voices in her head, right, boy?

So I won't hold my breath for your honesty, character or intelligence to improve. Effort does not interest you much, does it, SOCKY?
 Quoting: The Commentator

If you keep calling me names, I'll have to quit posting on this thread!!!
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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That's all you have Max? How about addressing the substance of the comments made. I guess you can't. All you can do is resort to inanities and change the subject. So predictable.

So who am I to believe? "The Commentator" or "Dr. Greer"??



Typical idiot answer, lying shill MELFY.

Why don't you learn enough so that you can make up your own mind? It is a very, very tiny, very low powered mind so it should not take much to improve it.

Oh wait, it is too easy to tell lies and shill for a delusional, insane, dishonest old bat who hears voices in her head, right, boy?

So I won't hold my breath for your honesty, character or intelligence to improve. Effort does not interest you much, does it, SOCKY?

If you keep calling me names, I'll have to quit posting on this thread!!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Is that a promise, Max, because it sounds like a pretty empty threat. Do you think we would miss you? LOL. We don't force you to come here. Remember how you used to complain about us being on Nancy's threads because you said we were making it impossible for people to discuss Nancy's crap. We left. You never post on Nancy's threads. You are the one that followed us. What would you do without US? ROFLMAO. Silly sockpuppet fence sitting TROLL.
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So I won't hold my breath for your honesty, character or intelligence to improve. Effort does not interest you much, does it, SOCKY?

If you keep calling me names, I'll have to quit posting on this thread!!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


:excited: ......such an action would certainly only INCREASE the popularity of our Top500 since we would be getting rid of yet another Zetacrap ranting believer.

Please Quit our thread ,Melfy!!

:excited:
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I was actually trying to have someone with knowledge of NASA to comment on Hoagland’s work. People who have no working knowledge of NASA wonder if insiders think he has any status as a scientist, whistleblower, or whatever. Sorry to have upset you, that was not my intention.


Please feel free to peruse through these links. One of them
should be by a mathematician who exposes the flaws in the
hyper dimensional claims he makes:
[link to home.teleport.com]
[link to www.irupert.com]
[link to www.ufowatchdog.com]
[link to members.aol.com]
[link to uplink.space.com]
[link to www.skepticalmind.com]
[link to www.math.washington.edu]
[link to www.badastronomy.com]
[link to quantumfuture.net]

 Quoting: DrPostman


Good list . . . Thanks!
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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It's called a "cover up". You must never have heard of that term. Typical baboon.
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And you think there's a cover up or conspiracy surrounding just about everything. Typical baboon.
A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos.
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That's all you have Max? How about addressing the substance of the comments made. I guess you can't. All you can do is resort to inanities and change the subject. So predictable.

So who am I to believe? "The Commentator" or "Dr. Greer"??



Typical idiot answer, lying shill MELFY.

Why don't you learn enough so that you can make up your own mind? It is a very, very tiny, very low powered mind so it should not take much to improve it.

Oh wait, it is too easy to tell lies and shill for a delusional, insane, dishonest old bat who hears voices in her head, right, boy?

So I won't hold my breath for your honesty, character or intelligence to improve. Effort does not interest you much, does it, SOCKY?

If you keep calling me names, I'll have to quit posting on this thread!!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Why don't you cash in that gift certificate good for a free lobotomy you got last Christmas while you are at it? It could only improve your brain.
non sufficit Orbis

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NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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This thread is AWESOME. And yes I have read the entire thing, along with other "Zeta" threads just for interest sake. It has confirmed in my mind that the dumbest kind of "tard" is for sure the "Zetatard". Yes, they even surpass the mighty "suntard" at the pinnacle of tardness. What a joke, as if these guys believe that puppy drowning hag lol.

SDM
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To help people understand one needs to address the claim or evidence that has been presented by the bunkers and much like you do every day on this thread. The only difference is one must attack the most obvious or credible evidence that the bunkers use. The evidence is best condensed within a matrix with the analysis and conclusion with the sources and authority for the debunking. If you number them then you can continually reference them and update them when new information comes up.
See example below:

Evidence or Claim:
#1. Planet X is causing an increase in earthquakes
Analysis: Since 1950 the US Geologic Society has cataloged etc,
Conclusion: there is no evidence which establishes a trend over known historical periods
Sources & Authority: Dr. Whatever, University of XXXX

What do you think? . . . any comments.
 Quoting: George B


"Better to light a candle than to curse the darkness. eh."

Analysis of the facts and reasoned conclusions drawn from those facts, supported by authoritative sources is the best way to cure misconceptions.

I for one, support reasoned responses in "debunking" from those with knowledge or expertise in the field coherently laying out evidence for discussion.

This should apply in all situations not just Zetatalk.

The best "debunking" solution is still the education of the misinformed individual, not ridicule.


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This thread is AWESOME. And yes I have read the entire thing, along with other "Zeta" threads just for interest sake. It has confirmed in my mind that the dumbest kind of "tard" is for sure the "Zetatard". Yes, they even surpass the mighty "suntard" at the pinnacle of tardness. What a joke, as if these guys believe that puppy drowning hag lol.

SDM
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awesome
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I used to be a an actual 'believer' of that crap for about 2 years. It totally fucked up my life during that time. I'm a pretty common sense person, but I guess I just 'wanted' to believe because the world sucks and is totally gone to shit so this whole aftertime BS sounded kinda cool.

People, like freestore and such, turn off GLP, just don't come on this site for atleast 6 months and forget about the whole thing. You will see that the sun still rises and the seasons are still changing. Everything is like it was before. You need to clear your head, you'll feel alot better and who knows, maybe you'll take your life in a new direction for the better.

Thats all I have to say about that. just don't be so stuck-up about the whole thing like "oh, the sun is rising later now, it must be the wobble" or some ridiculous shit like that. C'mon let's come down from the clouds.
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Thread: For ZetaTalk Followers

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So who am I to believe? "The Commentator" or "Dr. Greer"??


This Greer?
[link to secretsun.blogspot.com]
[link to www.ufowatchdog.com]
[link to www.ufowatchdog.com]
[link to www.complaintsboard.com]
[link to www.ufowatchdog.com]

Did YOU ever pay him a crap load of money to learn how to
"vector" in UFOs with a flashlight in the night desert?

Hell of a resource you have there in Greer and Hoagland.
 Quoting: DrPostman

NO!!!

(... for a week at his home in Virginia!)
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Here's a thread I wrote on Greer:

Thread: ZetaMax: The Steves - Quayle and Greer vs. Nancy Lieder
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Bullshit Max. It isn't about Greer, you are using Greer to try and make Nancy look good. You silly sockpuppet TROLL
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Do you treat others this way?


That's all you have Max? How about addressing the substance of the comments made. I guess you can't. All you can do is resort to inanities and change the subject. So predictable.

So who am I to believe? "The Commentator" or "Dr. Greer"??



Typical idiot answer, lying shill MELFY.

Why don't you learn enough so that you can make up your own mind? It is a very, very tiny, very low powered mind so it should not take much to improve it.

Oh wait, it is too easy to tell lies and shill for a delusional, insane, dishonest old bat who hears voices in her head, right, boy?

So I won't hold my breath for your honesty, character or intelligence to improve. Effort does not interest you much, does it, SOCKY?

If you keep calling me names, I'll have to quit posting on this thread!!!



Why don't you cash in that gift certificate good for a free lobotomy you got last Christmas while you are at it? It could only improve your brain.
 Quoting: The Commentator

Since you didn't call me a name, I'll interpret that as sign that you actually wish me to stick around. I happy to inform you that I have DECIDED TO DO SO!! (A broken link "breaks the chain")

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 10/16/2009 07:27 AM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Do you treat others this way?


That's all you have Max? How about addressing the substance of the comments made. I guess you can't. All you can do is resort to inanities and change the subject. So predictable.

So who am I to believe? "The Commentator" or "Dr. Greer"??



Typical idiot answer, lying shill MELFY.

Why don't you learn enough so that you can make up your own mind? It is a very, very tiny, very low powered mind so it should not take much to improve it.

Oh wait, it is too easy to tell lies and shill for a delusional, insane, dishonest old bat who hears voices in her head, right, boy?

So I won't hold my breath for your honesty, character or intelligence to improve. Effort does not interest you much, does it, SOCKY?

If you keep calling me names, I'll have to quit posting on this thread!!!



Why don't you cash in that gift certificate good for a free lobotomy you got last Christmas while you are at it? It could only improve your brain.

Since you didn't call me a name, I'll interpret that as sign that you actually wish me to stick around. I happy to inform you that I have DECIDED TO DO SO!! (A broken link "breaks the chain")
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


You are a mentally retarded fuckwit who believes total bullshit.
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Do you treat others this way?


That's all you have Max? How about addressing the substance of the comments made. I guess you can't. All you can do is resort to inanities and change the subject. So predictable.

So who am I to believe? "The Commentator" or "Dr. Greer"??



Typical idiot answer, lying shill MELFY.

Why don't you learn enough so that you can make up your own mind? It is a very, very tiny, very low powered mind so it should not take much to improve it.

Oh wait, it is too easy to tell lies and shill for a delusional, insane, dishonest old bat who hears voices in her head, right, boy?

So I won't hold my breath for your honesty, character or intelligence to improve. Effort does not interest you much, does it, SOCKY?

If you keep calling me names, I'll have to quit posting on this thread!!!



Why don't you cash in that gift certificate good for a free lobotomy you got last Christmas while you are at it? It could only improve your brain.

Since you didn't call me a name, I'll interpret that as sign that you actually wish me to stick around. I happy to inform you that I have DECIDED TO DO SO!! (A broken link "breaks the chain")


You are a mentally retarded fuckwit who believes total bullshit.
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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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You are a mentally retarded fuckwit who believes total bullshit.
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You have never presented any credible evidence to the contrary, fuckwit.
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You are a mentally retarded fuckwit who believes total bullshit.


You have never presented any credible evidence to the contrary, fuckwit.
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Thread: Before Nancy - Canadian Geologist posits PLANET X

From the June 1977 Edition of the Bulletin of Canadian Petroleum Geology

Article: Catastrophic Termination of the Last Wisconsin Ice Advance, Observations in Alberta and Idaho

Geologist C. Warren Hunt

pgs. 456-459

The size of the erratics ( [link to www3.telus.net] - ZetaMax) deposited on the course of the "Calgary River" is impressive. The Beddington Erratic is calculated by Stalker to weigh 20,000 tons. ( [link to www.sfu.museum] - similiar to Beddington - ZetaMax) The source of these rocks as established by Mountjoy [link to en.wikipedia.org] in the Athabaska Valley above Jasper, Alberta is not disputed, so far as the author is aware. Neither is there any dispute as to the absence on the erratics of flutings, striae or polish that would suggest glacial transport as a means of emplacement. And no rationale can be developed with any degree of plausibility to attribute transport of the erratics to overthrusting, gravity sliding or fluvial processes active at present. (emphasis added - ZetaMax)

A POSSIBLE SOLUTION

The only conceivable transportation mechanism that can explain the transportation of the erratics while also preserving their fresh nature is ice rafting. This idea was first proposed by Rutherford in 1941 but was never popular because of the two problems inherent in it: the requirement of a large body of water to float great ice rafts and to allow them to be floated for over 400 mi (643 km), and the requirement of a mechanism that could overcome the geologically awkward problem of loading and launching ice rafts with fresh mountain rock infragments of up to 20,000 tons.

Stalker has calculated that the ice volume necessary just to float the largest of the erratics would be about 5.5 million cubic feet - a large iceberg, indeed, for an inland sea!

...

To produce the number of rafts and the quantity of rock represented by the Alberta Erratics Train required that a considerable length of glacier be loaded with similiar rock. As no glacier rives and plucks 20,000-ton boulders by its usual mechanisms, the loading of the erratics required an avalanche. Perhaps peaks and shoulders of the mountains for tens of miles along the Athabaska valley collapsed in a great earthquake and avalanched out upon the surface of the glacier. Once the loading was complete, the glacier must have been gently floated, in the process of which it would have broken up because of various factors such as differential rock load, differential rock load, differential ice thickness, or simple turbulence of tidal waters surging up the valley and driving the glacier back along its course. The floes so developed could then have sailed with their rock loads on the ebbing tide like a flotilla of great ships.

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Violent earthquaking would have been the first event, perhaps due to proximal passage of a cosmic body. Seismicity is conceived to have caused collapse of mountains and ridges with consequent avalanching out upon the surface of the Athabaska valley glacier. The event was followed by a great tide from the Gulf of Mexico, which churned up silt as it came. The silt was deposited in the Calgary area as the Calgary silt; and its quantity suggests that the tide was either repetitious or of some duration.

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Duration might have resulted from slow passage of a large, distant, cosmic body. Repetition might have resulted from a smaller body returning periodically. In both cases, the turning of the earth (pole shift - ZetaMax) would have given diurnal tidal repetition, with maximum flood tide occurring at closest passage, after which the flotilla of ice rafts would have proceeded to string out along the estuary course, grounding, foundering and melting, on their way to the Gulf of Mexico.

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 10/16/2009 07:59 AM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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TROLL ALERT. Don't take his bait, don't feed him.
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TROLL ALERT. Don't take his bait, don't feed him.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

Thanks for admitting that you have no other explanation for the Alberta erratics train.

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 10/16/2009 08:39 AM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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TROLL ALERT. Don't take his bait, don't feed him.

Thanks for admitting that you have no other explanation for the Alberta erratics train.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Oooh, another LIE! You are doing well today Max!

You just can't help it, can you?

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TROLL ALERT. Don't take his bait, don't feed him.

Thanks for admitting that you have no other explanation for the Alberta erratics train.


Oooh, another LIE! You are doing well today Max!

You just can't help it, can you?

:5:
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And what "lie" would that be???
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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