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George B

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So would you say that Nancy gets most of her ideas from old Science Fiction, etc.? I would like to see how she digests fiction, mixes it with her so called telepathic lessons from the Zeta and brews up a stew that has lasted since 1995. That is the part I don't get . . . how has she lasted all these years?

True Believer Syndrome? [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Sometimes faith becomes literally unshakable by reality.
When Prophecy Fails: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Nancy herself is as much a victim of her delusions as the other PXers.
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People are weird.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

I love this quote from the "True Believer Syndrome above . .
"In his book The Psychic Mafia, Keene tells of a psychic medium named Raoul. Some people still believed that Raoul was genuine even after he openly admitted that he was a fake. Keene wrote "I knew how easy it was to make people believe a lie, but I didn't expect the same people, confronted with the lie, would choose it over the truth. . . . No amount of logic can shatter a faith consciously based on a lie."[7][8]
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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One conclusion has to be she really believes what she is saying . . . or she has said crazy stuff for so long and people still believe it and thus there is just no elegant way of getting out of her story. So she continues despite her fatigue, etc. Maybe that is why her game ends before 2012.
 Quoting: George B


You know what; even though I ridicule Nancy to the Max, I still find it difficult to believe that Nancy can be so stupid as to not clearly understand, after multiple failures that her claims have zero credibility. I mean to say she even still vehemently declares that the prediction accuracy track record of her Zetatalk is second to none. Intellectually honest people know that such a claim is pure fiction on her part. So on one hand yes I conclude that Ms LIEDer fully believes her rantings are true. But on the other hand I find it beyond belief that she cannot realise that she is being intellectually dishonest with herself and her followers.

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You have been discussing these points. I have been pointing out the foolishness of trying to use science to debunk zetatalk.
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One conclusion has to be she really believes what she is saying . . . or she has said crazy stuff for so long and people still believe it and thus there is just no elegant way of getting out of her story. So she continues despite her fatigue, etc. Maybe that is why her game ends before 2012.


You know what; even though I ridicule Nancy to the Max, I still find it difficult to believe that Nancy can be so stupid as to not clearly understand, after multiple failures that her claims have zero credibility. I mean to say she even still vehemently declares that the prediction accuracy track record of her Zetatalk is second to none. Intellectually honest people know that such a claim is pure fiction on her part. So on one hand yes I conclude that Ms LIEDer fully believes her rantings are true. But on the other hand I find it beyond belief that she cannot realise that she is being intellectually dishonest with herself and her followers.

Loneranger
 Quoting: The Lone Ranger

The thing that also interests me is how she has this dialogue with ETs. This communication is way beyond anything I have ever heard before. Others have indicated a trance state like Edgar Cayce, etc. but never something like this instant two way communication she has with the Zetas. Wow, this takes a lot of faith from her followers to believe it. The Prophets of the Old Testament never made such claims. going to bed . . . good night.

Last Edited by George B on 10/20/2009 12:46 AM
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Hi Nancy,

Would you please quite listening to the zetas a minute.

I have to say that the zetas are lying to you, Nancy.

I'm sure you think they are your friends,, but they are NOT.

They lie all the time,,

Come on Nancy,, get a grip,, you may be a spiritual person,, but you are listening to liers,, them zetas are liers.

Don't let them bring you down along with them,,

If you keep listening the the zetas,, they will bring you down with them and they don't care about you.

You can take responsibility and admit that the zetas are liers and renounce them as the liers that they are and confront their lying asses and kick them out of your house.

Kick out the zetas, get rid of them. they are, after all, nothing but liers. Ya can't trust them zetas. They are the equivalent of lying spirits.

What you'll end up doing, Nancy, is leading many people astray.

Do you really want to do that?

We are, after all, just humans.

If you could be at peace and really help people,, you would be about that.
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I'm still wondering how User, Max, Freestore and Andrew,

Do you guys still receive Nancy's zetas as absolute truth??

come on, guys, don't you have any kind of sanity left?

You can't really believe this crap that's coming from the zetas? REALLY?

You really can't believe this zeta crap, or do you?


How can anybody believe this zeta crap?
 Quoting: tater 798265


I see it like this; Andrew and FreeStore are pretty much full on in their belief of everything Zetatalk.

With Max; well trust me that particular poster is straight out GLP roleplaying.

And with User; well all one can really say about him is that he is truly an asshole whose belief in anything plays second fiddle to....well being an asshole.

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Wow, this takes a lot of faith from her followers to believe it. The Prophets of the Old Testament never made such claims. going to bed . . . good night.
 Quoting: George B


Man.... is that ever so true.

PS: Good night mate.
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I see it like this; Andrew and FreeStore are pretty much full on in their belief of everything Zetatalk.

With Max; well trust me that particular poster is straight out GLP roleplaying.

And with User; well all one can really say about him is that he is truly an asshole whose belief in anything plays second fiddle to....well bring an asshole.
 Quoting: The Lone Ranger


I agree with that. ZetaMax, I kinda like his roleplying, its often funny. FreeStore with his white sun ... LOL .... but Andrew is the prime example about the dangers Nancy Lieder offers to the world. He seemed to be a kinda nice guy:
Thread: Hi, i am Andrew, 23, from Ukraine!
... but that Zetard crap has messed up his mind totally.
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Andrew is the prime example about the dangers Nancy Lieder offers to the world. He seemed to be a kinda nice guy:
Thread: Hi, i am Andrew, 23, from Ukraine!
... but that Zetard crap has messed up his mind totally.
 Quoting: ZetasDebunkinator 798338


I was reading through that exact thread you linked to a few days ago. I got the impression, by reading the contents of that thread, that Andrew was pretty much an honest straight talking guy.

However, as you have pointed out, Andrew is sadly a case in point where the influence of Zetatalk can cause a person to become blatantly delusional to the realities that totally debunk its astronomical claims in particular.
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I agree with that. ZetaMax, I kinda like his roleplying, its often funny.
 Quoting: ZetasDebunkinator 798338


ZetaMax is my sockpuppet punching bag!! :excited:

Melfy is, as the saying goes, the gift that never stops giving. He roleplays as a Zeta bunker
believer on these here threads but some of his actual views, on say the likes of ET aliens, may cause a stir when I get around to revealing them.
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So would you say that Nancy gets most of her ideas from old Science Fiction, etc.? I would like to see how she digests fiction, mixes it with her so called telepathic lessons from the Zeta and brews up a stew that has lasted since 1995. That is the part I don't get . . . how has she lasted all these years?


You have touched on a good point there, George. What exactly is Ms LIEDer's End Game is not really too clear. It is quite obvious to most of us that Ms LIEDer will fail yet again with her before 2012 planet X prediction. Why she has continued on year after year; week after week; well I guess only she really knows.....while back in the real world of reality she continues to look foolish on GLP.


One conclusion has to be she really believes what she is saying . . . or she has said crazy stuff for so long and people still believe it and thus there is just no elegant way of getting out of her story. So she continues despite her fatigue, etc. Maybe that is why her game ends before 2012.
 Quoting: George B


What I don't get is why people still fall for her story after she has based it on so many obvious failures...such as the earth stopped in orbit around the sun. Any child can see that this is simply not so. In fact, there are NO examples of any astronomical predictions or calims that she's ever gotten right, yet some still believe her. I guess that goes to the cleverness of picking a subject to base her story on that most people have very little education in.
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It must also be noted that the Earth orbit is not a circle but an ellipse, and in respect of Kepler's second law, a planet revolves faster when it is close to the star. So if the Counter-Earth followed the Earth on the same orbit with half a year of delay, it would sometimes be visible from Earth.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Exactly. A co-orbital dark twin would present a solar elongation of about 2° twice a year just due to eccentricity. This is neglecting the not-trivial perturbations from Venus, Mars, and Jupiter. With those in the mix, the elongation would rapidly increase.



Rather, to be hidden from Earth, the Counter-Earth would have an orbit symmetrical to Earth's one, not sharing the second focus.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Yes, this is the only way around the eccentricity problem. The problem with this scenario is the same. The perturbing effects of Venus, Mars, and Jupiter would be even more pronounced and the symmetry would rapidly degenerate. It also doesn't help the 'collision of DOOM' that in a symmetrical orbit the "dark twin" would only cross Earth's orbit at two points (nodes).

Both of these scenarios would produce an orbit that would rapidly allow viewing during an eclipse or with a coronagraph. If memory serves, the 'dark twin' was lightly considered in the 18th century and quickly dispatched through observation during solar eclipses.



Any planetary sized body at Earth's L3 point should have been visible by the NASA STEREO coronagraphs during the first half of 2007.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


This is similar to the 1st scenario with a co-orbital dark twin at the L3 point. The problem with this is that the L3 point is quite unstable and, again, those nasty perturbations from Venus, Mars, Jupiter would rapidly knock it out of the L3 position where it would take on an horseshoe orbit. That would be very obvious since it would follow an orbit that would take it past the L4 point, back to L3, on to L5 and then back to L3... and on and on.
See: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

In fact, the non-L3 co-orbital dark twin would also degrade to an horseshoe orbit. I believe the symmetrical orbit would also become horseshoe since the earth's e is very small, but don't quote me.

That is assuming physics applies but I see on another thread that a "new" (snicker) Nancy acolyte is arguing that it is in some other dimension, or some such, so conventional physics need not apply. PX is apparently a 'philosophical entity'.
It's the old - "PX is a magical planet" gambit... and who can argue with that idiocy?

Who'd want to? That type of fairy-tale thinking deserves nothing but ridicule and lulz.



Nancy claiming something about astronomy is usually evidence enough that it is BS.
She is never right.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Couldn't have said it better myself.

Have fun.


R.
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Noah preached for a hundred and twenty years about the end times.

Others say 100 years of preaching end times

Nancy mmm not so long.

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 Quoting: Free Store

Free Store...you just debunked Nancy. If all those other people were preaching end times longer than Nancy and they were wrong, what's the likelihood that Nancy will be right? Very little.
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Max...I see Rick is no longer a category 5 storm.

wrong
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CB, according to the Zetas, we are constantly being barraged by huge megastorms that devastate the Gulf every few months!

Now, what are you going to believe - -the Zetas and Zetatalk, or NOAA, the Weather Channel, and the evidence of your own eyes?

Zetas right* again!









* When used in reference to Nancy Lieder or ZetaTalk, right is understood to mean 'wrong.'
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Free Store was hilarious in Nancy's sun thread. He kept insisting that he knows he's right about "Planet X"...even though it failed to show up in 2003...and 2007, at which point he was going to commit suicide if it didn't. It continues to be a no show and he hasn't even the slightest shred of evidence to suggest that it even exists. So, what it really comes down to is that he keeps saying he's right because he's beginning to have doubts and he's simply trying to convince himself.
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Commit suicide? Over some silly imaginary planet?

That's sad, and I don't mean that in a cruel way. I hope Free Store can find something more constructive to center himself on.

Dude, if you're reading this, I hope you'll accept some friendly advice -- turn off the PC and go outside. Have some coffee. Maybe see a movie (NOT 2012!!!!). Hang out with some friends.

There are better things to do than play Doomsday on the net...
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Nope, I kid you not. Others here will confirm that. In August 2007, he kept saying "Planet X" would be visible in September and if it wasn't he would commit suicide right here on GLP. Fortunately, he didn't...but when we kept asking him about it, he then claimed he filed a "police report" with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police so that if anything happened to him, they would know who did it. Obviously, that's a lie because 1) no police agency is going to take a "report" if no crime has been committed and 2) no one threatened to harm him...the only threat of harm to himself came from him. I asked him if he bothered to tell them the whole story...naturally, he wouldn't answer that and simply said that a report was made..,although he wouldn't say with which office or which officer.
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By-the-Way, following is a good update on the LCROSS mission:

[link to www.danamackenzie.com]
Friday, October 9th, 2009
However, though “no plume” might be the big news story at the moment, it is very far from the end of the story. The scientific work of the mission is just beginning. The press conference was held two hours after impact. But the more relevant time frames are two days (the time that will be spent with the full science team at NASA-Ames collecting data), two weeks (when they will meet again and start drawing their initial conclusions), and two months (when they are likely to make a public announcement of the results). Tony Colaprete and Michael Wargo made the following very important points:

1.It is not clear yet that the plume wasn’t detected. Further image processing could reveal that it was there, but fainter than expected. “Gray on black,” as Wargo said.
2.Even if the plume wasn’t detected, the crater was detected, and it was about the expected size. Its thermal signal will give a lot of information about what was at the impact site.
3.Colaprete kept coming back over and over to the point that “spectra are where the science is at.” The spectrometers are more sensitive than the cameras, and they tell you what the chemicals are that you are looking at. For the most part the readout is not instant (although Colaprete did talk about a clear sodium line).
4.Finally, Wargo reminded the reporters that this was an experiment. An experiment, by definition, is something whose result you don’t know in advance. You might have a prediction or a theory, but until you do the experiment you just aren’t sure what is going to happen. So the plume was smaller or darker or less dramatic than expected. That will still tell us something.
So the press conference was an interesting clash of cultures. The media like pretty pictures, big explosions, and dramatic discoveries. They don’t like to wait. The scientists, as Jennifer Heldmann said, like “squiggly lines” (like the output of a spectrometer). They understand the value of patience and gathering all the evidence before you reach a conclusion.

If you want to know whether LCROSS saw water ice on the moon, your best bet is to stay tuned. The answer is likely to come out at the American Geophysical Union (AGU) meeting in December, in San Francisco. I’ll be there!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The impact was not as visually prominent as had been anticipated. However the infrared camera did capture a thermal signature of the booster's crater.[20] Project manager Dan Andrews believed that this was due to pre-crash simulations that exaggerated the plume's prominence (some simulations were not done by NASA). Another possibility was that lighting was not sufficient for adequate photography, and would result in the need for image processing to increase clarity. The depth of Cabeus could be too great. This may be confirmed from Laser Ranging data collected previously by Chandrayaan-1, and preceding data from KAGUYA.[9][21] Hubble Space Telescope co-investigator Alex Storrs said: "A preliminary analysis of the STIS spectra do not show any clear evidence for hydroxyl, but further analysis is needed."[22]

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Max...I see Rick is no longer a category 5 storm.

wrong
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Why am I "wrong"?? The point is, a Cat 5 storm near Baha is EXTREMELY unusual. The fact the storm weakens doesn't change that FACT.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Max, you should be careful when using the word 'fact.' That's a very dangerous concept for an unprepared ZetaTalk devotee to bandy about. For a person of your mentality, a direction and sudden confrontation with 'fact' could be extremely dangerous.
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BRAEKING!!!!

Thread: PM warns of climate 'catastrophe'

READ!!!!

"50 days to save the world" - Gordon Brown, UK PM !!!!!!!!

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

damned damned damned
 Quoting: andrew


^ For Andrew everything the government says is bullshit (no need to find a qoute here, we all know he repeatedly claimed exactly this) ... BUT, when it SEEMS to fit Nancys claims its the truth (same situation as with NASA).
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Nope, I kid you not. Others here will confirm that. In August 2007, he kept saying "Planet X" would be visible in September and if it wasn't he would commit suicide right here on GLP.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker



[link to www.youtube.com]

You say there ain't no use in livin'
It's all a waste of time
'N you wanna throw your life away, well
People that's just fine
Go ahead on 'n get it over with then
Find you a bridge 'n take a jump
Just make sure you do it
right the first time
'Cause nothin's worse than a Suicide
Chump

You say there ain't no light a-shinin'
Through the bushes up ahead
[ Find more Lyrics on www.mp3lyrics.org/VJK ]
'N we're all gonna be so sorry
When we find out you are dead
Go head on and get it over with then
Find you a bridge 'n take a jump
Just make sure you do it right the first
time
'Cause nothin's worse than a Suicide
Chump

Now maybe you're scared of jumpin'
'N poison makes you sick
'N you want a little attention
'N you need it pretty quick
Don't wanna mess your face up
Or we won't know if it's you
Aw there's just so much to worry about
Now what you gonna do?

Go head on 'n get it over with then
...

You're on the bridge;
Scared to leap,
But a girl walks over
To take a peep...
She says: "DON'T DO IT!"
But wouldn't you know...
The girl got a head
Like a buffalo
With a little red hair
All over the top
An' her breath would make the
Traffic stop
She says "I LOVE YOU...
BUT FIRST, LET'S EAT!"
And all you can say as you run down the
street
is...
If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.

Nowadays it is about as big a crime to be dumb as it is to be dishonest.
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Max...I see Rick is no longer a category 5 storm.

wrong


Why am I "wrong"?? The point is, a Cat 5 storm near Baha is EXTREMELY unusual. The fact the storm weakens doesn't change that FACT.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

No, it isn't that unusual. The storms in the Pacific are as numerous as the ones in the gulf, they just rarely make land. They usually follow the coast and then go out to sea where they fizzle. There is usually one storm a year that touches land, and maybe once every 10 years a killer storm hits the coast, like Pauline in 1997 which hit Acapulco and caused a lot of death and damage.

Your first clue about how many storms have formed in the Pacific is the name Rick. That's R for Rick. Not B for Bob. You don't hear about these storms because they never affect the US.

In August, hurricane Jimena also threatened the Baja. As I said, most of these storms don't threaten land, but when they do, they are doozies, worse than an Atlantic storm.

_______________________________________
By October the Sea of Cortez has reached it's high temperature, acting as a magnet to the warm water hungry storms. In addition the high altitude steering winds now have enough strength to overpower the storms desire to head west. One look at the storm plot for October and you can see what I mean. There are fewer storms than in September, but the path moves them right over Baja.
[link to www.bajainsider.com]
________________________________________


So your facts are not very solid there Max.

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Max and Elle are out camping!
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Why am I "wrong"?? The point is, a Cat 5 storm near Baha is EXTREMELY unusual. The fact the storm weakens doesn't change that FACT.
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What's unusual about it? How does this storm "prove" the "Zetas" are right? Care to explain?

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So would you say that Nancy gets most of her ideas from old Science Fiction, etc.? I would like to see how she digests fiction, mixes it with her so called telepathic lessons from the Zeta and brews up a stew that has lasted since 1995.

That is the part I don't get . . . how has she lasted all these years?

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Why am I "wrong"?? The point is, a Cat 5 storm near Baha is EXTREMELY unusual. The fact the storm weakens doesn't change that FACT.

What's unusual about it? Care to explain?
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The fact that it weakens shows that it has done what most storms in the Pacific do. They are monsters out at sea and lose strength near landfall. If Rick hit the Baja as a full on category 5, that would be unusual, but it looks like that won't happen.

Another thing about the Pacific storms is that they can intensify with no warning, like this one did. Hurricane Pauline didn't even get a mention on the national news the day before it hit. It took everyone by surprise. They also weaken dramatically and quickly.
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Unusual things happen all the time.

Stuff that happens only once per thousand years still HAPPENS.
If the Madrid Fault were to crack tomorrow and kill a hundred thousand people, it would still be a rare NATURAL occurrence.
No Magical Invisible Fairy Planet™ required to explain it.

Only when Nancy starts to accurately predict stuff that couldn't happen in a universe without PX in it does it become time to listen to what she has to say.

Until then she's just a self-deluded elderly lady hearing voices.

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Most people don't seem to understand probability.

Let's assume there is a 31.1% probability that it will rain tomorrow, and a 68.7% probability of sunshine.
That still leaves a number of events with low probability.
Hail, thunderstorm, snow, complete blackout by an invading fleet of UFOs.
Each of these events has a low to extremely low probability, but THERE ARE VERY MANY OF THEM.
A much, much larger number then the number of probable events.
And all those low probabilities added together still sums up to a significant number.

In this case 0.2%. Meaning that (if these probabilities were static) once every 500 days on average it would neither rain or shine.

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Actually where I live it only rains 6% of the time.
It just seems like more.

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Max...I see Rick is no longer a category 5 storm.

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Why am I "wrong"?? The point is, a Cat 5 storm near Baha is EXTREMELY unusual. The fact the storm weakens doesn't change that FACT.

No, it isn't that unusual. The storms in the Pacific are as numerous as the ones in the gulf, they just rarely make land. They usually follow the coast and then go out to sea where they fizzle. There is usually one storm a year that touches land, and maybe once every 10 years a killer storm hits the coast, like Pauline in 1997 which hit Acapulco and caused a lot of death and damage.

Your first clue about how many storms have formed in the Pacific is the name Rick. That's R for Rick. Not B for Bob. You don't hear about these storms because they never affect the US.

In August, hurricane Jimena also threatened the Baja. As I said, most of these storms don't threaten land, but when they do, they are doozies, worse than an Atlantic storm.

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By October the Sea of Cortez has reached it's high temperature, acting as a magnet to the warm water hungry storms. In addition the high altitude steering winds now have enough strength to overpower the storms desire to head west. One look at the storm plot for October and you can see what I mean. There are fewer storms than in September, but the path moves them right over Baja.
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So your facts are not very solid there Max.
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