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I would like to ask William a question.
What color is the Sun in this photograph. William.

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The Sun is not even visible in that photo. The image is completely oversaturated at that location.

The N.Korean missile looks in focus..

This is a UP photo.

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Did I say the Sun was out of focus?

Idiot.
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JWD

I would like to ask William a question.
What color is the Sun in this photograph. William.

Thanks

:sn.nny:


The Sun is not even visible in that photo. The image is completely oversaturated at that location.

The N.Korean missile looks in focus..

This is a UP photo.

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Did I say the Sun was out of focus?

Idiot.
 Quoting: Menow 405501

Take a break. The question was not fielded to you.
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JWD

I would like to ask William a question.
What color is the Sun in this photograph. William.

Thanks

:sn.nny:


The Sun is not even visible in that photo. The image is completely oversaturated at that location.

The N.Korean missile looks in focus..

This is a UP photo.

.


Did I say the Sun was out of focus?

Idiot.

Take a break. The question was not fielded to you.
 Quoting: Free Store


Idiot.
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JWD

I would like to ask William a question.
What color is the Sun in this photograph. William.

Thanks

:sn.nny:
 Quoting: Free Store



The Sun in the photograph looks white to me.
Also the object below it looks mostly black.
What colour is the lower object supposed to be?

If you adjust your colour balance to make the lower object its true colour, you might get a better rendering of the Sun's colour. And then again, possibly not as the Sun is a pretty intense light source.

Regards
JWD
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JWD

I would like to ask William a question.
What color is the Sun in this photograph. William.

Thanks

:sn.nny:


The Sun is not even visible in that photo. The image is completely oversaturated at that location.

The N.Korean missile looks in focus..

This is a UP photo.

.


Did I say the Sun was out of focus?

Idiot.

Take a break. The question was not fielded to you.


Idiot.
 Quoting: Menow 405501

There are many pictures like this one so don't lose your mind over it>
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JWD

I would like to ask William a question.
What color is the Sun in this photograph. William.

Thanks

:sn.nny:



The Sun in the photograph looks white to me.
Also the object below it looks mostly black.
What colour is the lower object supposed to be?

If you adjust your colour balance to make the lower object its true colour, you might get a better rendering of the Sun's colour. And then again, possibly not as the Sun is a pretty intense light source.

Regards
JWD
 Quoting: J.William Dell

OK Thanks,JWD
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JWD

I would like to ask William a question.
What color is the Sun in this photograph. William.

Thanks

:sn.nny:



The Sun in the photograph looks white to me.
Also the object below it looks mostly black.
What colour is the lower object supposed to be?

If you adjust your colour balance to make the lower object its true colour, you might get a better rendering of the Sun's colour. And then again, possibly not as the Sun is a pretty intense light source.

Regards
JWD

OK Thanks,JWD
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You didn't answer his question.
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JWD

I would like to ask William a question.
What color is the Sun in this photograph. William.

Thanks

:sn.nny:


The Sun is not even visible in that photo. The image is completely oversaturated at that location.

The N.Korean missile looks in focus..

This is a UP photo.

.


Did I say the Sun was out of focus?

Idiot.

Take a break. The question was not fielded to you.


Idiot.

There are many pictures like this one so don't lose your mind over it>
 Quoting: Free Store


Really? Then why don't you ask the various photographers if the Sun shown in their images is DIFFERENT than if the image had been taken 20 years ago?
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JWD

I would like to ask William a question.
What color is the Sun in this photograph. William.

Thanks

:sn.nny:



The Sun in the photograph looks white to me.
Also the object below it looks mostly black.
What colour is the lower object supposed to be?
If you adjust your colour balance to make the lower object its true colour, you might get a better rendering of the Sun's colour. And then again, possibly not as the Sun is a pretty intense light source.

Regards
JWD

OK Thanks,JWD
 Quoting: Free Store



1) The lower object appears to be a green colour, what colour is it?

2) When imaging the sun, the Sun is so bright, that it washes out that area of image capture. During the day, it's almost impossible to get anything but a "white" Sun in images without filters on the camera lens.
Sunrise or sunset are a different situation.

Regards
JWD
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What color the Sun appears to be compared to how one remembers it being is subjective, and meaningless.

That is why a comparison of the Sun's spectra taken, say, fifty years ago, compared to a spectra taken today would have more weight. They are *measurements.*

Big difference.

Come up with some *measurements* of the Sun's supposed color changing. THEN you've got something.
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What color the Sun appears to be compared to how one remembers it being is subjective, and meaningless.

That is why a comparison of the Sun's spectra taken, say, fifty years ago, compared to a spectra taken today would have more weight. They are *measurements.*

Big difference.

Come up with some *measurements* of the Sun's supposed color changing. THEN you've got something.
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I would colour in the Sun yellow, fifty years ago.
Free Store

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This be a BBC photograph of the Sun at Sunrise or Sunset.

:sun.set:
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Free Store --

Dude, you can't point even a professional photographer's camera at the freaking Sun and expect to get anything like a true color image of the sun itself.

Do you know how cameras work? Do you know the difference between film and CCD?

Apparently not.

And as far as the Sun being a different color 50 years ago, well, that should be easy enough to proce. Let's look at solar emission spectra from 1959 and the same from this year.

That's after you educate yourself concerning what all this means.

You'll see that the sun hasn't changed significantly in that time. It certainly hasn't changed colors.

I'm curious -- does your knowledge of stellar chemistry begin and end with depictions of the Sun drawn in Crayon by children?

Because most of those were yellow...and now you're upset because images of the Solar disc in photographs appear white...omigod, you are the Kindergarden Astronomer!
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Free Store --

Dude, you can't point even a professional photographer's camera at the freaking Sun and expect to get anything like a true color image of the sun itself.

Do you know how cameras work? Do you know the difference between film and CCD?

Apparently not.

And as far as the Sun being a different color 50 years ago, well, that should be easy enough to proce. Let's look at solar emission spectra from 1959 and the same from this year.

That's after you educate yourself concerning what all this means.

You'll see that the sun hasn't changed significantly in that time. It certainly hasn't changed colors.

I'm curious -- does your knowledge of stellar chemistry begin and end with depictions of the Sun drawn in Crayon by children?

Because most of those were yellow...and now you're upset because images of the Solar disc in photographs appear white...omigod, you are the Kindergarden Astronomer!
 Quoting: Returner 997

Did I say I was upset? Two polls were ran on this subject and most people agree, the Sun is white now. Anyone can go outside and see it.

It seems you are upset..
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Free Store --

I can find polls that state forty percent of the people see twice as many flying Ferris wheels today than they did during the Crimean War.

So?

You ignored my point about solar emission spectra. You can easily PROVE whether the Sun has changed in some fundamental way in the last 50 years. Quantitative proof trumps casual oberservation every time.
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Free Store --

I can find polls that state forty percent of the people see twice as many flying Ferris wheels today than they did during the Crimean War.

So?

You ignored my point about solar emission spectra. You can easily PROVE whether the Sun has changed in some fundamental way in the last 50 years. Quantitative proof trumps casual oberservation every time.
 Quoting: Returner 997

I use my God given senses. Something wrong with making observations?

That is what science really is.

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Free Store --

Dude, you can't point even a professional photographer's camera at the freaking Sun and expect to get anything like a true color image of the sun itself.

Do you know how cameras work? Do you know the difference between film and CCD?

Apparently not.

And as far as the Sun being a different color 50 years ago, well, that should be easy enough to proce. Let's look at solar emission spectra from 1959 and the same from this year.

That's after you educate yourself concerning what all this means.

You'll see that the sun hasn't changed significantly in that time. It certainly hasn't changed colors.

I'm curious -- does your knowledge of stellar chemistry begin and end with depictions of the Sun drawn in Crayon by children?

Because most of those were yellow...and now you're upset because images of the Solar disc in photographs appear white...omigod, you are the Kindergarden Astronomer!

Did I say I was upset? Two polls were ran on this subject and most people agree, the Sun is white now. Anyone can go outside and see it.

It seems you are upset..
 Quoting: Free Store


And how does the alleged poll result: "The Sun is white now" support your claim that it has changed? Oh, that's right, IT DOESN'T!
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Free Store --

I can find polls that state forty percent of the people see twice as many flying Ferris wheels today than they did during the Crimean War.

So?

You ignored my point about solar emission spectra. You can easily PROVE whether the Sun has changed in some fundamental way in the last 50 years. Quantitative proof trumps casual oberservation every time.

I use my God given senses. Something wrong with making observations?

That is was science really is.

.
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And your senses told you that the Moon was in the wrong place in the sky, but was it? No.
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Free Store --

I can find polls that state forty percent of the people see twice as many flying Ferris wheels today than they did during the Crimean War.

So?

You ignored my point about solar emission spectra. You can easily PROVE whether the Sun has changed in some fundamental way in the last 50 years. Quantitative proof trumps casual oberservation every time.

I use my God given senses. Something wrong with making observations?

That is was science really is.

.


And your senses told you that the Moon was in the wrong place in the sky, but was it? No.
 Quoting: Menow 405501

Not according to my compass and observations.I measured the Moon rise and how far it went beyond ENE

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Free Store --

I can find polls that state forty percent of the people see twice as many flying Ferris wheels today than they did during the Crimean War.

So?

You ignored my point about solar emission spectra. You can easily PROVE whether the Sun has changed in some fundamental way in the last 50 years. Quantitative proof trumps casual oberservation every time.

I use my God given senses. Something wrong with making observations?

That is what science really is.

.
 Quoting: Free Store


After answering your question about that image, Dell asked you a question in return about the same image. Did you have the simple courtesy to answer it? Of course not.
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Science is NOT about ignoring quantitative analysis.

And there's a lot more to it than making arbitrary decisions about the color of something that you cannot look directly at in the first place.

Why do you ignore my emission spectra suggestion?

I suspect it's because you already know hard data about the Sun will prove your own assertions to be groundless.

And the Moon was never 'out of place.' That's just silly.
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Free Store --

I can find polls that state forty percent of the people see twice as many flying Ferris wheels today than they did during the Crimean War.

So?

You ignored my point about solar emission spectra. You can easily PROVE whether the Sun has changed in some fundamental way in the last 50 years. Quantitative proof trumps casual oberservation every time.

I use my God given senses. Something wrong with making observations?

That is what science really is.

.


After answering your question about that image, Dell asked you a question in return about the same image. Did you have the simple courtesy to answer it? Of course not.
 Quoting: Menow 405501

What's it to you?

Answer me that?
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Free Store --

I can find polls that state forty percent of the people see twice as many flying Ferris wheels today than they did during the Crimean War.

So?

You ignored my point about solar emission spectra. You can easily PROVE whether the Sun has changed in some fundamental way in the last 50 years. Quantitative proof trumps casual oberservation every time.

I use my God given senses. Something wrong with making observations?

That is was science really is.

.


And your senses told you that the Moon was in the wrong place in the sky, but was it? No.

Not according to my compass and observations.I measured the Moon rise and how far it went beyond ENE
 Quoting: Free Store


Exactly. But you don't even know where the Moon was SUPPOSED to be, bacause you DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE THE ECLIPTIC IS. Either your observation was faulty or the world's astronomers are wrong... I wonder which one it is?

Idiot!
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Free Store --

I can find polls that state forty percent of the people see twice as many flying Ferris wheels today than they did during the Crimean War.

So?

You ignored my point about solar emission spectra. You can easily PROVE whether the Sun has changed in some fundamental way in the last 50 years. Quantitative proof trumps casual oberservation every time.

I use my God given senses. Something wrong with making observations?

That is what science really is.

.


After answering your question about that image, Dell asked you a question in return about the same image. Did you have the simple courtesy to answer it? Of course not.

What's it to you?

Answer me that?
 Quoting: Free Store


It is, to me, the mark of a dishonest poster. I also asked you some questions about images, related to your claim. You refused to answer. Same as above. You are a dishonest person in your posting about the Sun, the Moon or anything else.
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Free Store --

I can find polls that state forty percent of the people see twice as many flying Ferris wheels today than they did during the Crimean War.

So?

You ignored my point about solar emission spectra. You can easily PROVE whether the Sun has changed in some fundamental way in the last 50 years. Quantitative proof trumps casual oberservation every time.

I use my God given senses. Something wrong with making observations?

That is what science really is.

.


After answering your question about that image, Dell asked you a question in return about the same image. Did you have the simple courtesy to answer it? Of course not.

What's it to you?

Answer me that?


It is, to me, the mark of a dishonest poster. I also asked you some questions about images, related to your claim. You refused to answer. Same as above. You are a dishonest person in your posting about the Sun, the Moon or anything else.
 Quoting: Menow 405501

A picture speaks a thousand words.

Make your own mind up.

O CB said the N.Missile Picture had a yellow Sun, lol
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Free Store, are you mentally impaired in some way?

We've explained that you cannot accurately photograph the color of the Sun. It could be green in one shot and purple in the next, and all that means is that the camera used wasn't properly equipped for the task at hand.

So your white Sun/yellow Sun conclusions are mistaken.

Did any of the words above register at all with you?
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Free Store --

I can find polls that state forty percent of the people see twice as many flying Ferris wheels today than they did during the Crimean War.

So?

You ignored my point about solar emission spectra. You can easily PROVE whether the Sun has changed in some fundamental way in the last 50 years. Quantitative proof trumps casual oberservation every time.

I use my God given senses. Something wrong with making observations?

That is what science really is.

.


After answering your question about that image, Dell asked you a question in return about the same image. Did you have the simple courtesy to answer it? Of course not.

What's it to you?

Answer me that?


It is, to me, the mark of a dishonest poster. I also asked you some questions about images, related to your claim. You refused to answer. Same as above. You are a dishonest person in your posting about the Sun, the Moon or anything else.

A picture speaks a thousand words.

Make your own mind up.


O CB said the N.Missile Picture had a yellow Sun, lol
 Quoting: Free Store


I did. I said that the Sun is not even visible in that image. Of course, you ignored that, as a dishonest poster would.
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Free Store, are you mentally impaired in some way?

We've explained that you cannot accurately photograph the color of the Sun. It could be green in one shot and purple in the next, and all that means is that the camera used wasn't properly equipped for the task at hand.

So your white Sun/yellow Sun conclusions are mistaken.

Did any of the words above register at all with you?
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Yes it did

The Sun outside looks just like the Sun in the picture.

Call me a liar.
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I guess we better not mention that the sea just isn't quite a *blue* as it once was...
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Call you a liar? sure.

You're a liar.

Or perhaps you're simply delusional.

Either way, your 'conclusions' concerning the Sun are simply mistaken. And are you ever going to answer my question about comparing solar spectra from 1959 to today? Hmmm?

Guess not.

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