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My take on the source of Nancy's material is that she has been duped by some unhelpful entities.

Whenever you call out for contact with other entities, you are leaving yourself wide open to all sorts of things that most people do not understand, nor can they protect themselves from them.

Everything is energy and consciousness. We are but one form of conscious energy. There are many others. None are more or less advanced than we, they just have different forms and perceive the energy around them so differently as to not be of this world. It is all about how we perceive and define what we see that determines the world we live in and how we see other conscious energetic beings.

There are entities that latch onto other lifeforms. They aren't evil, they only do what is in their nature to do, and they feed off the life energy of organic life forms. The good news is that in most cases, they cannot do this unless invited. That is why it is so silly and dangerous to ask for other entities to contact you. Without realizing it, you are inviting them to feed off your own life essence, and they really have nothing to offer in exchange. You might as well hang a sign that says "Free Lunch" around your neck.

If one were able to see these entities with their eyes, they would look like any number of energetic configurations and tentacles. Once you have experience seeing them without freaking out, you can learn the subtle differences and distinguish the very few that have anything that would be of interest to us. In my experience, it is a pointless exercise to be in contact with them. They can bring much more harm than good, and usually it is not their intention. They are just so removed from our world, and their nature is so different. They complicate things at best, and at worst they can reduce you to a blathering idiot and slowly sap you of your life essence.

These entities surround us yet they are not here. It is hard to explain. Everything that is exists right here and now, but the bands of perception are what prevent us from seeing it all. Likewise, they only perceive us if they choose to. Their world is so alien to ours, as our world is completely alien to them. In that sense, it is correct to call them aliens, but they do not come from other planets.

The world we see is a construct of our mind, interpreting the energies we sense. We learn descriptions and definitions from the time we are born, and as we adopt them and apply them, the world we see solidifies. This is how an energetic configuration becomes a plant or a mountain or a bug. Once we learn to correlate a description with a given energetic configuration, we will always see it according to that description, unless we learn to suspend our inner dictionary. If we learn to do that, we could see the bug as an energetic being, or we could apply a new description and see it as a pterodactyl or anything else of our choosing.

When we encounter energetic configurations, or aware beings that we have no description for, the mind struggles to find one that is familiar within our inventory of definitions and descriptions. This is why people claim to see aliens, angels, demons, elfs, fairies, spirit guides, departed spirits, etc. The visitor is real, but the way we see them is very subjective. We tend to choose the one we feel most comfortable with. It is a natural human response when confronted with the unknown.

Once you have defined a given energetic entity with a description that your mind accepts, you will see it according to that description. If you want an alien, you will see an alien, and the entity will comply and appear as you have defined the perception.

I think this is what Nancy has done. She called out for contact, and attracted entities she did not understand. Faced with the unknown, something she had no description for, she reached into her subconscious inventory and the description that she felt most comfortable with was the Zeta alien. Unfortunately, most of what she is given is totally useless. It is like a worm on a hook to keep her compliant, as they feed off her life force. I also think that on some level she knows her Zetas are yanking her chain, but she has so much invested in ZetaTalk that she can't stop, and invents material which she attributes to a higher source.

One of the main reasons why I speak out regarding Nancy and Zeta Talk is that she encourages people to send out the call. Everything you need to know as a human being is within your own being. You do not need to be enlightened by any other entity outside yourself. My recommendation is that when you feel such presences, just voice out loud that you want them to leave you alone. Much more often than not, they will respect your wish. After all, there is no shortage of organic beings that willingly offer to host them.

Believe me, I have learned this the hard way, and it was the hardest thing in the world to admit it to myself and break off contact. Trust in yourself. You do not need anyone or anything to show you anything.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


Well stated.
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Nope - the only "pissing" going on is on the part of the debunkers, and they are doing it into the wind!!

:piss_win:

 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Unfortunately for you, no amount of hot air can alter the FACT that Planet X DOES NOT EXIST!!!

Neither do 'The Zetas'!!!

Therefore, you are on a one-way ride to FAIL!!!

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There is a mountain of text on the Zeta-Talk threads and website, so if someone would be so kind as to answer this the best they can, it would be be appreciated.

Nancy claims to be channeling an alien. Has anyone met Nancy? Does SHE believe she is actually channeling?

Some of her advice was bad/malevolent, with the whole puppy heaven thing. Once, she failed to multiply two numbers together on a talk show, so her alien can't do simple math with a calculator.

Just to throw this out there...could she actually be channeling a demon or some other destructive entity, instead of just being full of shit?

My take on the source of Nancy's material is that she has been duped by some unhelpful entities.

Whenever you call out for contact with other entities, you are leaving yourself wide open to all sorts of things that most people do not understand, nor can they protect themselves from them.

Everything is energy and consciousness. We are but one form of conscious energy. There are many others. None are more or less advanced than we, they just have different forms and perceive the energy around them so differently as to not be of this world. It is all about how we perceive and define what we see that determines the world we live in and how we see other conscious energetic beings.

There are entities that latch onto other lifeforms. They aren't evil, they only do what is in their nature to do, and they feed off the life energy of organic life forms. The good news is that in most cases, they cannot do this unless invited. That is why it is so silly and dangerous to ask for other entities to contact you. Without realizing it, you are inviting them to feed off your own life essence, and they really have nothing to offer in exchange. You might as well hang a sign that says "Free Lunch" around your neck.

If one were able to see these entities with their eyes, they would look like any number of energetic configurations and tentacles. Once you have experience seeing them without freaking out, you can learn the subtle differences and distinguish the very few that have anything that would be of interest to us. In my experience, it is a pointless exercise to be in contact with them. They can bring much more harm than good, and usually it is not their intention. They are just so removed from our world, and their nature is so different. They complicate things at best, and at worst they can reduce you to a blathering idiot and slowly sap you of your life essence.

These entities surround us yet they are not here. It is hard to explain. Everything that is exists right here and now, but the bands of perception are what prevent us from seeing it all. Likewise, they only perceive us if they choose to. Their world is so alien to ours, as our world is completely alien to them. In that sense, it is correct to call them aliens, but they do not come from other planets.

The world we see is a construct of our mind, interpreting the energies we sense. We learn descriptions and definitions from the time we are born, and as we adopt them and apply them, the world we see solidifies. This is how an energetic configuration becomes a plant or a mountain or a bug. Once we learn to correlate a description with a given energetic configuration, we will always see it according to that description, unless we learn to suspend our inner dictionary. If we learn to do that, we could see the bug as an energetic being, or we could apply a new description and see it as a pterodactyl or anything else of our choosing.

When we encounter energetic configurations, or aware beings that we have no description for, the mind struggles to find one that is familiar within our inventory of definitions and descriptions. This is why people claim to see aliens, angels, demons, elfs, fairies, spirit guides, departed spirits, etc. The visitor is real, but the way we see them is very subjective. We tend to choose the one we feel most comfortable with. It is a natural human response when confronted with the unknown.

Once you have defined a given energetic entity with a description that your mind accepts, you will see it according to that description. If you want an alien, you will see an alien, and the entity will comply and appear as you have defined the perception.

I think this is what Nancy has done. She called out for contact, and attracted entities she did not understand. Faced with the unknown, something she had no description for, she reached into her subconscious inventory and the description that she felt most comfortable with was the Zeta alien. Unfortunately, most of what she is given is totally useless. It is like a worm on a hook to keep her compliant, as they feed off her life force. I also think that on some level she knows her Zetas are yanking her chain, but she has so much invested in ZetaTalk that she can't stop, and invents material which she attributes to a higher source.

One of the main reasons why I speak out regarding Nancy and Zeta Talk is that she encourages people to send out the call. Everything you need to know as a human being is within your own being. You do not need to be enlightened by any other entity outside yourself. My recommendation is that when you feel such presences, just voice out loud that you want them to leave you alone. Much more often than not, they will respect your wish. After all, there is no shortage of organic beings that willingly offer to host them.

Believe me, I have learned this the hard way, and it was the hardest thing in the world to admit it to myself and break off contact. Trust in yourself. You do not need anyone or anything to show you anything.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal




There are no 'other entities' involved. It's Nancy's deranged mind.

There is no evidence that there are any other forms of consciousness involved.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Nancy is in contact with anything whatsoever.

Your assertions are as baseless as those Nancy makes about Planet X. bsflag
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No - to be precise, it is an "unfounded accusation" for which there is some anecdotal and circumstantial evidence, but nothing more. To be a "lie", I have to KNOW that debunkers on this thread are in fact "not paid" - and I do not "KNOW" that. Therefore, it is NOT A LIE to accuse the debunkers of being paid shills. However, if they say they are "not", when in fact they are, then THAT would indeed be a "LIE".


Well spoken, ZetaMax! It no doubt drives these PX hecklers crazy that your logic is so consistently impeccable.

P.S. Watch the immediate, visceral reaction to my daring to post on this hallowed thread.

 Quoting: Soledad



FRESH MEAT!!!!!! FEEDING FRENZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

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NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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There are no 'other entities' involved. It's Nancy's deranged mind.

There is no evidence that there are any other forms of consciousness involved.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Nancy is in contact with anything whatsoever.

Your assertions are as baseless as those Nancy makes about Planet X. bsflag
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 808967


Good. I don't expect or want you to just believe what I say. I am not out to start a following or sell anything. Just sharing something I learned and my opinion. No harm in that.
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THIS THREAD HOWEVER IS NOT INTERESTING.

I have a real easy solution for you...feel free to see your way out of here and don't come back. Go to all the other threads if you find this one so uninteresting. The fact that you're even here and posting tells me you do find it interesting in some way.

And why did you have to applaud yourself?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker



NO U FIND ZETAS DUMB BUT U BLAB ABOUT THEM INCESSANTLY.

SO I'M GONNA FOLLOW UR LEAD AND SINCE I FIND UR THREAD DUMB, I'M STICKING AROUND!!! BITCHTITS!!

WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND!!
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THIS THREAD HOWEVER IS NOT INTERESTING.

I have a real easy solution for you...feel free to see your way out of here and don't come back. Go to all the other threads if you find this one so uninteresting. The fact that you're even here and posting tells me you do find it interesting in some way.

And why did you have to applaud yourself?



NO U FIND ZETAS DUMB BUT U BLAB ABOUT THEM INCESSANTLY.

SO I'M GONNA FOLLOW UR LEAD AND SINCE I FIND UR THREAD DUMB, I'M STICKING AROUND!!! BITCHTITS!!

WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND!!
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There are no 'other entities' involved. It's Nancy's deranged mind.

There is no evidence that there are any other forms of consciousness involved.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Nancy is in contact with anything whatsoever.

Your assertions are as baseless as those Nancy makes about Planet X. bsflag
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It's nice that you are so certain. I wonder how you determined that and how you would ascertain the difference?
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I see Loser has a new member of his tag team - Black Crow. In just two short years a lot of Nancy supporters will be eating crow. But it won't be dog.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

Black Crow is a real piece of work. He reckons himself as being especially special, a source of spiritual enlightenment for all. He doesn't like me because I don't conform to his stereotypical and over romanticized idea of what an indigenous person should be, so he reckons I must be lying about my race. He is really special. If you don't believe me, just ask him.
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I see Loser has a new member of his tag team - Black Crow. In just two short years a lot of Nancy supporters will be eating crow. But it won't be dog.

Black Crow is a real piece of work. He reckons himself as being especially special, a source of spiritual enlightenment for all. He doesn't like me because I don't conform to his stereotypical and over romanticized idea of what an indigenous person should be, so he reckons I must be lying about my race. He is really special. If you don't believe me, just ask him.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

Why should anyone believe a KNOWN LIAR and SHILL???
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I see Loser has a new member of his tag team - Black Crow. In just two short years a lot of Nancy supporters will be eating crow. But it won't be dog.

Black Crow is a real piece of work. He reckons himself as being especially special, a source of spiritual enlightenment for all. He doesn't like me because I don't conform to his stereotypical and over romanticized idea of what an indigenous person should be, so he reckons I must be lying about my race. He is really special. If you don't believe me, just ask him.

Why should anyone believe a KNOWN LIAR and SHILL???
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Exactly. He has been caught in lies, just like you have and both of you shill for Nancy. Why should we believe either of you? Now if you can point out anything I have lied about and give proof, we can examine your evidence and the readers at GLP will judge me accordingly. I bet you won't though, because you are all bark and no bite. Your only task is to bury incriminating posts that make Nancy look bad by attacking character. And I know you are dying to point the finger at me, but a simple search of my posts will show that Black Crow mouthed off at me when I was having a civil discussion with someone else.
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PS. Who I am and what I do is not at all relevant to the discussion topic of this thread. You are unable to debate the topic, so you concentrate on people's personal details in hopes of burying the damning evidence that makes Nancy's claims look silly, and that make you look ignorant and gullible for believing.
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Why should anyone believe a KNOWN LIAR and SHILL???
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

You're right...so why do you find it so hard to understand why we don't believe you, Nancy or User?
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I see Loser has a new member of his tag team - Black Crow. In just two short years a lot of Nancy supporters will be eating crow. But it won't be dog.

Black Crow is a real piece of work. He reckons himself as being especially special, a source of spiritual enlightenment for all. He doesn't like me because I don't conform to his stereotypical and over romanticized idea of what an indigenous person should be, so he reckons I must be lying about my race. He is really special. If you don't believe me, just ask him.

Why should anyone believe a KNOWN LIAR and SHILL???
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Thus we don't pay much attention to you, LIARMAXISOCKYMELFER.

This was a public service announcement from the sane world.
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"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

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NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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Is this STILL going on? And Nancy still has supporters? HOW CAN THEY BE THAT DUMB?
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Yes. And yes unfortunately, no make that unbelievably, there are still FOOLS who support and follow Ms LIEDer. Truly amazing indeed.
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Why should anyone believe a KNOWN LIAR and SHILL???

You're right...so why do you find it so hard to understand why we don't believe you, Nancy or User?
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Melfy is obviously one short of a six pack.....what else could explain Melfy's behaviour?

lol4me Why how could I forget so quickly.......Melfy did afterall have a complete GLP Melfdown so a little compassion should be afforded to the zidiot.

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Why should anyone believe a KNOWN LIAR and SHILL???

You're right...so why do you find it so hard to understand why we don't believe you, Nancy or User?


Melfy is obviously one short of a six pack.....what else could explain Melfy's behaviour?

lol4me Why how could I forget so quickly.......Melfy did afterall have a complete GLP Melfdown so a little compassion should be afforded to the zidiot.

LiarMax
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I think he is a few oats shy of a haggis. Hell, he can't even read the script he lies from with any conviction.
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"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

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NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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LiarMax


My name is ***NOT*** LIARMax!!!


It's not ZetaMax either. But you definitely are a PROVEN liar.


Go ahead, NAME even a single "lie" I have told. I DARE you!!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


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There is a mountain of text on the Zeta-Talk threads and website, so if someone would be so kind as to answer this the best they can, it would be be appreciated.

Nancy claims to be channeling an alien. Has anyone met Nancy? Does SHE believe she is actually channeling?

Some of her advice was bad/malevolent, with the whole puppy heaven thing. Once, she failed to multiply two numbers together on a talk show, so her alien can't do simple math with a calculator.

Just to throw this out there...could she actually be channeling a demon or some other destructive entity, instead of just being full of shit?

My take on the source of Nancy's material is that she has been duped by some unhelpful entities.

Whenever you call out for contact with other entities, you are leaving yourself wide open to all sorts of things that most people do not understand, nor can they protect themselves from them.

Everything is energy and consciousness. We are but one form of conscious energy. There are many others. None are more or less advanced than we, they just have different forms and perceive the energy around them so differently as to not be of this world. It is all about how we perceive and define what we see that determines the world we live in and how we see other conscious energetic beings.

There are entities that latch onto other lifeforms. They aren't evil, they only do what is in their nature to do, and they feed off the life energy of organic life forms. The good news is that in most cases, they cannot do this unless invited. That is why it is so silly and dangerous to ask for other entities to contact you. Without realizing it, you are inviting them to feed off your own life essence, and they really have nothing to offer in exchange. You might as well hang a sign that says "Free Lunch" around your neck.

If one were able to see these entities with their eyes, they would look like any number of energetic configurations and tentacles. Once you have experience seeing them without freaking out, you can learn the subtle differences and distinguish the very few that have anything that would be of interest to us. In my experience, it is a pointless exercise to be in contact with them. They can bring much more harm than good, and usually it is not their intention. They are just so removed from our world, and their nature is so different. They complicate things at best, and at worst they can reduce you to a blathering idiot and slowly sap you of your life essence.

These entities surround us yet they are not here. It is hard to explain. Everything that is exists right here and now, but the bands of perception are what prevent us from seeing it all. Likewise, they only perceive us if they choose to. Their world is so alien to ours, as our world is completely alien to them. In that sense, it is correct to call them aliens, but they do not come from other planets.

The world we see is a construct of our mind, interpreting the energies we sense. We learn descriptions and definitions from the time we are born, and as we adopt them and apply them, the world we see solidifies. This is how an energetic configuration becomes a plant or a mountain or a bug. Once we learn to correlate a description with a given energetic configuration, we will always see it according to that description, unless we learn to suspend our inner dictionary. If we learn to do that, we could see the bug as an energetic being, or we could apply a new description and see it as a pterodactyl or anything else of our choosing.

When we encounter energetic configurations, or aware beings that we have no description for, the mind struggles to find one that is familiar within our inventory of definitions and descriptions. This is why people claim to see aliens, angels, demons, elfs, fairies, spirit guides, departed spirits, etc. The visitor is real, but the way we see them is very subjective. We tend to choose the one we feel most comfortable with. It is a natural human response when confronted with the unknown.

Once you have defined a given energetic entity with a description that your mind accepts, you will see it according to that description. If you want an alien, you will see an alien, and the entity will comply and appear as you have defined the perception.

I think this is what Nancy has done. She called out for contact, and attracted entities she did not understand. Faced with the unknown, something she had no description for, she reached into her subconscious inventory and the description that she felt most comfortable with was the Zeta alien. Unfortunately, most of what she is given is totally useless. It is like a worm on a hook to keep her compliant, as they feed off her life force. I also think that on some level she knows her Zetas are yanking her chain, but she has so much invested in ZetaTalk that she can't stop, and invents material which she attributes to a higher source.

One of the main reasons why I speak out regarding Nancy and Zeta Talk is that she encourages people to send out the call. Everything you need to know as a human being is within your own being. You do not need to be enlightened by any other entity outside yourself. My recommendation is that when you feel such presences, just voice out loud that you want them to leave you alone. Much more often than not, they will respect your wish. After all, there is no shortage of organic beings that willingly offer to host them.

Believe me, I have learned this the hard way, and it was the hardest thing in the world to admit it to myself and break off contact. Trust in yourself. You do not need anyone or anything to show you anything.
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Jesus Christ "healer man", you've got a lot of nerve calling Nancy Lieder loony or crazy!

That was some of the most fucked up shit I have read in a LONG time.

You really are full of yourself and I think ... SICK IN THE HEAD!! (((shaking head)))

Unbefuckinlievable.
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Jesus Christ "healer man", you've got a lot of nerve calling Nancy Lieder loony or crazy!

That was some of the most fucked up shit I have read in a LONG time.

You really are full of yourself and I think ... SICK IN THE HEAD!! (((shaking head)))

Unbefuckinlievable.
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It's good that you don't just believe everything you read on the internet, though I assure you I am not making this up, and I left a lot of things out. I can't prove any of what I said, because the only way to prove it is to experience seeing energy in its raw form for yourself. I don't blame anyone for thinking it is bullshit, and I don't expect anyone to just take my word for it. I was only sharing my perspective.

It's too bad you don't hold Nancy to the same standard. Too bad you believe her about everything when her material is full of things that are obviously and demonstrably false. I can't prove that what I said is true, but you can't prove it is false. Nancy, however has been consistently proven to be wrong.

Finally, I don't see where I called Nancy loony or crazy. How did you get that from my post. Oh. That's right, you just froth at the mouth without any proof or reason.

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Believe me, I have learned this the hard way, and it was the hardest thing in the world to admit it to myself and break off contact. Trust in yourself. You do not need anyone or anything to show you anything.
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KIR,

What was your wakeup call?
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Believe me, I have learned this the hard way, and it was the hardest thing in the world to admit it to myself and break off contact. Trust in yourself. You do not need anyone or anything to show you anything.


KIR,

What was your wakeup call?
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Haha. I can laugh at myself now. I was a really self important asshole. I thought that I was being visited by one of my ancestors. He was a massive and impressive Indian, he exuded power and wisdom. He dressed in traditional clothing made of hide and fur. He visited me in dreams and in meditations from the time I was about 7. He told me stuff. He had me convinced that there would be a shift in world consciousness in 1968, that the evolved souls would inherit a purified earth, and that I would play an important part in the transformation. (Sound familiar? LOL) Of course, 1968 came and went and the world got worse instead of better. And I was growing less and less connected to the world around me. I was despondent and arrogant. I couldn't understand how my Indian guide could convince me to go out on a limb and leave me hanging. People laughed at me and called me a phony prophet, and that made me belligerent.

I went through a long process of seeking other kinds of truth. I lived on a hippie commune for a while, but quit after a short stint because they were all talk and no real action. I tried out Eastern philosophy and tantra. I made some progress with the tantra, and lost my enormous sense of self importance and started learning techniques to quiet my mind. Still, though less frequently, I would see that Indian, but by then I wanted him to just leave me alone.

I had literally given up on finding the answers I was looking for. Then I met a healer in Mexico. Through my association with him, I learned to see that Indian for what he really was, an energetic entity that exists and is as real as I am, but is not of this world and is completely alien from anything human. I guess I chose to see him as an Indian because of my own history. I realized that it was pointless to think he had any insights into my world, and once I told him to leave me alone, he did. I haven't seen him since 1979.


I don't want to imply that the things I speak of are unique to indigenous culture. In fact, they aren't particularly part of any indigenous culture that I am aware of. There are people all over the world that have come to the same realization and seen raw energy and understood what they are seeing. It belongs to no one culture or people. Your genes have nothing to do with it. There is no doctrine or dogma, because you are really seeing things as they are, with no descriptions, no preconceived ideas and no expectations.
The only way to get to the point where you can see past the descriptions and definitions in our subconscious dictionary is to erase all sense of history and erase also the definitions. It was a long and scary process. Believe me, there is nothing on earth as scary as seeing energetic beings as raw energy, which is probably why we choose to see them as benevolent and enlightened beings. You can actually feel your mind trying to come up with an acceptable frame of reference, but part of the exercise is to shut the mind off and just observe. Then the revelations come.

Again, I don't expect anyone to believe this. It is something you have to discover and work through on your own. When I think back, there was a friend of my grandfather's that told me back when I was a teenager that I needed to disregard the "wisdom" of that indian, but I didn't listen. I had to learn it myself, though I would have saved myself a lot of trouble if I had just believed him. Some of you will think I am completely nuts, and maybe I am. But hey, I am in good company. This is GLP after all.
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Unfortunately the prognosis for Nancy is not good, claiming planet x as an incoming brown dwarf star in 1995 Nancy has escalated her claims over the years to culminate in the destruction of life as we know it in 2003, when this failed to materialize (and all her supporters left) Nancy's delusion simply grew and common sense of any kind disappeared, now a "water planet" inside the orbit of Venus planet x fails to vaporize due to a protective "dust cloud" while remaining invisible from all telescopes on earth.

Meanwhile Planet x and it's zetas have stopped the earth from orbiting and bob the earth up and down to fool everyone that nothing is amiss, Nancy "channels" zeta information via a "chip" in her head put there by the zetas who originally contacted Nancy by showing her an unwrapped starburst candy in a box.

Nancy wants us to prepare for planet wide destruction "real soon" during which 95% of humans will perish while true "believers" will be saved by Nancy and her zetas. I guess this is a minimalist synopsis. Nancy's proof of planet x includes pictures of a child's kite in front of the sun.

After more than 12 years without treatment Nancy demonstrates several psychotic disorders including, Delusional Disorder, Schizophrenia and Narcissistic Personality Disorder, while her family originally attempted to help, Nancy refused and has progressively deteriorated over the ensuing years.

Nancy has a complex mental condition that includes a "Messianic complex" vis.

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Messianic complex is a psychological state in which the individual believes him/herself to be, or is destined to become, the saviour of the particular field, a group, an event, a time period, or in an extreme scenario, the world.

People with Messianic Complexes tend to see themselves as saviours to a specific group of people or a specific field, making claims of their own glory, or claiming a self awareness of their own gift and how that gift can affect a group of people or a field of life.

In the most extreme cases, people with Messianic Complexes may see themselves as spiritual/religious Messiahs with transcendent powers who are destined to save the world.
end quote

FreeStore bought this hook line and sinker, giving up his worldly possessions to build a shelter, when May 2003 came and went FreeStore was left to either admit he made a mistake or follow Nancy, FreeStore was so entrenched with the idea of zetas that his wife and child left, so FreeStore has nothing except Nancy and the zetas, it is a sad story, one that demonstrates what happens to a cult after it collapses.
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Unfortunately the prognosis for Nancy is not good, claiming planet x as an incoming brown dwarf star in 1995 Nancy has escalated her claims over the years to culminate in the destruction of life as we know it in 2003, when this failed to materialize (and all her supporters left) Nancy's delusion simply grew and common sense of any kind disappeared, now a "water planet" inside the orbit of Venus planet x fails to vaporize due to a protective "dust cloud" while remaining invisible from all telescopes on earth.

Meanwhile Planet x and it's zetas have stopped the earth from orbiting and bob the earth up and down to fool everyone that nothing is amiss, Nancy "channels" zeta information via a "chip" in her head put there by the zetas who originally contacted Nancy by showing her an unwrapped starburst candy in a box.

Nancy wants us to prepare for planet wide destruction "real soon" during which 95% of humans will perish while true "believers" will be saved by Nancy and her zetas. I guess this is a minimalist synopsis. Nancy's proof of planet x includes pictures of a child's kite in front of the sun.

After more than 12 years without treatment Nancy demonstrates several psychotic disorders including, Delusional Disorder, Schizophrenia and Narcissistic Personality Disorder, while her family originally attempted to help, Nancy refused and has progressively deteriorated over the ensuing years.

Nancy has a complex mental condition that includes a "Messianic complex" vis.

quote
Messianic complex is a psychological state in which the individual believes him/herself to be, or is destined to become, the saviour of the particular field, a group, an event, a time period, or in an extreme scenario, the world.

People with Messianic Complexes tend to see themselves as saviours to a specific group of people or a specific field, making claims of their own glory, or claiming a self awareness of their own gift and how that gift can affect a group of people or a field of life.

In the most extreme cases, people with Messianic Complexes may see themselves as spiritual/religious Messiahs with transcendent powers who are destined to save the world.
end quote

FreeStore bought this hook line and sinker, giving up his worldly possessions to build a shelter, when May 2003 came and went FreeStore was left to either admit he made a mistake or follow Nancy, FreeStore was so entrenched with the idea of zetas that his wife and child left, so FreeStore has nothing except Nancy and the zetas, it is a sad story, one that demonstrates what happens to a cult after it collapses.

 Quoting: prof_rabbit nli 808303



The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Why should anyone believe a KNOWN LIAR and SHILL???

You're right...so why do you find it so hard to understand why we don't believe you, Nancy or User?


Melfy is obviously one short of a six pack.....what else could explain Melfy's behaviour?

lol4me Why how could I forget so quickly.......Melfy did afterall have a complete GLP Melfdown so a little compassion should be afforded to the zidiot.

LiarMax



I think he is a few oats shy of a haggis. Hell, he can't even read the script he lies from with any conviction.
 Quoting: The Commentator

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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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What's wrong, MELFY? Afraid more people will catch on to your bullshit roleplaying?
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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The ban button is really the only ammuntion Melfy and Nancy and Luser have left in their arsenal.

Reason, facts, and evidence have all fled them.
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Jesus Christ "healer man", you've got a lot of nerve calling Nancy Lieder loony or crazy!
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Just look at LOSER'S hypocrisy at work again! He has the gall to jump on KeepingItReal, accusing him of calling Nancy crazy (which he didn't), and yet he calls Candace crazy. Wow, LOSER, you sure have a lot of nerve calling her crazy and then accusing someone else of doing the same thing about Nancy. But then, the difference is that Nancy's your boss, not Candace so you can say whatever you want about her, huh?

That was some of the most fucked up shit I have read in a LONG time.
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Do you want to see some really fucked up shit? Try going back and reading all your posts for the past several years.

You really are full of yourself and I think ... SICK IN THE HEAD!! (((shaking head)))

Unbefuckinlievable.
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Wow, more hypocrisy. Who would have thunk it?

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Finally, I don't see where I called Nancy loony or crazy. How did you get that from my post. Oh. That's right, you just froth at the mouth without any proof or reason.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


No, LOSER just makes assumptions...something he claims not to do.
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Luser is certainly all worked up today.

I can almost *see* the spittle flying as he rants!

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