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 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Hey, this is our thread. If you don't like what's posted, feel free to see yourself out and don't come back. The only reason you're here is to collect information for Nancy and then report back.
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I imagine that Nancy gives Max a big pat on his pointy head every time he trots up to her with a report on what the Evil League of STS Debunkers has been up to.

He probably also embellishes his own valiant contribtions.
"I made CB cry, Nancy! I was so brave and clever and they all admitted ZT was the ultimate truth and they said to tell you they were sorry for ever doubting the Zetas in the first place!'

And then I picture him dancing around on all fours, like a hyperactive Jack Russell getting a good look at a proferred piece of crispy bacon...
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Nibiru is mentioned below! There is also talk of an 'Emissary...'

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Wow, there are quite a few doomsday scenarios out there. I wonder if Loser searches out the originators of those scenarios and attacks them?
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Believe me, I have learned this the hard way, and it was the hardest thing in the world to admit it to myself and break off contact. Trust in yourself. You do not need anyone or anything to show you anything.


KIR,


Again, I don't expect anyone to believe this. It is something you have to discover and work through on your own. When I think back, there was a friend of my grandfather's that told me back when I was a teenager that I needed to disregard the "wisdom" of that indian, but I didn't listen. I had to learn it myself, though I would have saved myself a lot of trouble if I had just believed him. Some of you will think I am completely nuts, and maybe I am. But hey, I am in good company. This is GLP after all.
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KIR,
So you believe the 'energy beings' are just another life form? Do you have any theories why they wish to deceive individuals in this density/dimension? Also, what is your take on remote viewing?
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The ban button is really the only ammuntion Melfy and Nancy and Luser have left in their arsenal.

Reason, facts, and evidence have all fled them.
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lol4me Just another aspect of your roleplaying delusion eh!!



Now get back to school wittle Melfy!!......I mean you get schooled every day by the awesome debunkers on GLP, and your ego is bruised constantly, so I kind of understand why you must revert back to your Eric Cartman Authoritah!!!! mode. Makes your bruised ego feel better eh!!
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Why are 78/68 and Melfy even ON this thread? They were so desperate to have the debunkers gone... so what is their deal?
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I'm sure they'd happily stay in the ZT safe threads, if anyone else was there.

But since the level of interest in all things ZetaTalk is lately exceeded by curiousity about chair legs manufactured in New Jersey on a certain summer afternoon in 1959, they really don't have anywhere to go but here.

Sucks to be a ZT devotee in 2009. There's only so much terror Nancy can wring out of her failed 2003 mystery planetoid.
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Just thought I'd dredge this little gem up off of Soledad's thread since she's been rather nasty lately.

Economic Collapse (October, 2009, ff.): The economy will begin to falter again, this time even more rapidly and will never again reverse, eventually leading to total economic collapse. Along the way, we will see repeated government failures at "restarting the economy," credit impossible to get, ugly trade wars, and prices and availability of basic goods (especially food) shooting up. By this time next year, we will be well on our way to a barter economy.
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Hmmm, okay. So where the collapse? Is the economy doing great? No. But it's showing signs of improvement. The DOW is higher than it was on March 9 when it reached its lowest point closing 6457.05. Home sales are slowly increasing as is construction. We still have a long way to go but, overall, the economy is better now than it was just six months ago and there was no sign of a collapse.
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Why are 78/68 and Melfy even ON this thread? They were so desperate to have the debunkers gone... so what is their deal?
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Because they are both hypocrites.
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I'm sure they'd happily stay in the ZT safe threads, if anyone else was there.

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Laff Yep, both Melfy and Luserboy are desperate for attention. They just don't get the needed action by hanging out in dead threads such as Zetatalk chat live.

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December 22, 2012 will be even funnier as we watch the zetatards try to handwave away why nothing happened yesterday, or point to relatively mundane everyday "disasters" as proof that it DID happen, just that no one noticed lol.
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Thread: Planet X: get ready now. (Page 5)

I predict that this is exactly what will transpire here on GLP.
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Believe me, I have learned this the hard way, and it was the hardest thing in the world to admit it to myself and break off contact. Trust in yourself. You do not need anyone or anything to show you anything.


KIR,


Again, I don't expect anyone to believe this. It is something you have to discover and work through on your own. When I think back, there was a friend of my grandfather's that told me back when I was a teenager that I needed to disregard the "wisdom" of that indian, but I didn't listen. I had to learn it myself, though I would have saved myself a lot of trouble if I had just believed him. Some of you will think I am completely nuts, and maybe I am. But hey, I am in good company. This is GLP after all.


KIR,
So you believe the 'energy beings' are just another life form? Do you have any theories why they wish to deceive individuals in this density/dimension? Also, what is your take on remote viewing?
 Quoting: George B

No. That isn't the case. All life forms are energetic beings, only the form is different, and the form depends on the alignment of consciousness, the world they perceive is constructed by that alignment. You are also one of these energy beings. So are the plants, the animals. Everything is. You and I are human because of the way our perception is aligned. We do what is in the nature of human beings. Other entities are only doing what is in their nature according to the alignment of their perception. They are not trying to deceive anyone. This isn't a question of good or evil. Good and evil are subjective. Why does a puma hunt a rabbit? Because that is it's food source, it is in their nature to do so. Your behavior is just as bizarre to them as theirs is to us. We do not inhabit the same world, we just catch glimpses of each other from time to time when our guard is down, or when we deliberately seek them. When I say that they appear to us in one form or another, it is not really accurate. They appear to us according to how we arrange our perception of them. These other energetic entities cannot harm us and would usually not even perceive our presence, as we don't usually perceive them, unless we call attention to ourselves. If we call attention to ourselves, they take it as an invitation.

As for remote viewing, I do not have any experience with that, so my opinion is not worth much.
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Believe me, I have learned this the hard way, and it was the hardest thing in the world to admit it to myself and break off contact. Trust in yourself. You do not need anyone or anything to show you anything.


KIR,


Again, I don't expect anyone to believe this. It is something you have to discover and work through on your own. When I think back, there was a friend of my grandfather's that told me back when I was a teenager that I needed to disregard the "wisdom" of that indian, but I didn't listen. I had to learn it myself, though I would have saved myself a lot of trouble if I had just believed him. Some of you will think I am completely nuts, and maybe I am. But hey, I am in good company. This is GLP after all.


KIR,
So you believe the 'energy beings' are just another life form? Do you have any theories why they wish to deceive individuals in this density/dimension? Also, what is your take on remote viewing?

No. That isn't the case. All life forms are energetic beings, only the form is different, and the form depends on the alignment of consciousness, the world they perceive is constructed by that alignment. You are also one of these energy beings. So are the plants, the animals. Everything is. You and I are human because of the way our perception is aligned. We do what is in the nature of human beings. Other entities are only doing what is in their nature according to the alignment of their perception. They are not trying to deceive anyone. This isn't a question of good or evil. Good and evil are subjective. Why does a puma hunt a rabbit? Because that is it's food source, it is in their nature to do so. Your behavior is just as bizarre to them as theirs is to us. We do not inhabit the same world, we just catch glimpses of each other from time to time when our guard is down, or when we deliberately seek them. When I say that they appear to us in one form or another, it is not really accurate. They appear to us according to how we arrange our perception of them. These other energetic entities cannot harm us and would usually not even perceive our presence, as we don't usually perceive them, unless we call attention to ourselves. If we call attention to ourselves, they take it as an invitation.

As for remote viewing, I do not have any experience with that, so my opinion is not worth much.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


I wish more people understood that. I like to use the analogy of a bull in a china shop. Very distructive for the china shop, but does that mean the bull is evil? No, it means that the bull is incompatable with the china shop. Big difference.
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I wish more people understood that. I like to use the analogy of a bull in a china shop. Very distructive for the china shop, but does that mean the bull is evil? No, it means that the bull is incompatable with the china shop. Big difference.
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And that leads me to the point of these long rants. We are incompatible with other life forms that we assume are superior beings, aliens, angels, demons, ghosts, etc. It is silly to seek them. As humans, we have two choices. Live our lives as human beings in the world we know, or to go beyond it. I have seen glimpses of what lies beyond, and I personally prefer to live in this world, no matter how flawed. It is where my loved ones are. I am not ashamed to be a human being with flaws.
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Why are 78/68 and Melfy even ON this thread? They were so desperate to have the debunkers gone... so what is their deal?
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They come here to monitor what's going on and then report it back to Nancy.
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These other energetic entities cannot harm us and would usually not even perceive our presence, as we don't usually perceive them, unless we call attention to ourselves. If we call attention to ourselves, they take it as an invitation.

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In your case the entity choose to interact with your and gave you incorrect information . . . my question is why?
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These other energetic entities cannot harm us and would usually not even perceive our presence, as we don't usually perceive them, unless we call attention to ourselves. If we call attention to ourselves, they take it as an invitation.


In your case the entity choose to interact with your and gave you incorrect information . . . my question is why?
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I must have unknowingly attracted something. I used to go to this place a big rock over looking the lake, it was my magic place and I would go there to fantasize about the old times of the natives there. I didn't knowingly seek anything, I was just a child. It isn't that the entity gave me false information, more that this is how I interpreted the interaction.
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These other energetic entities cannot harm us and would usually not even perceive our presence, as we don't usually perceive them, unless we call attention to ourselves. If we call attention to ourselves, they take it as an invitation.


In your case the entity choose to interact with your and gave you incorrect information . . . my question is why?

I must have unknowingly attracted something. I used to go to this place a big rock over looking the lake, it was my magic place and I would go there to fantasize about the old times of the natives there. I didn't knowingly seek anything, I was just a child. It isn't that the entity gave me false information, more that this is how I interpreted the interaction.
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Thanks for your information . . . I appreciate your honesty. Seems we have much to understand. I have never had any of your experiences but feel you are telling it straight.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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I am sorry, I didn't mean to hijack the thread. The only reason I brought up my story is to illustrate how Nancy comes up with ZetaTalk. I am sure that at one time she encountered something, but her interpretation of what she has encountered is wrong. She may have meant well in the beginning, but she has become rude and arrogant, as most people that feel they have a special mission tend to do when their predictions are challenged and ultimately fail.

I don't think even she believes in the Zetas anymore, if she ever did. I say this because she takes it all too personally, she has been caught editing material supposedly given by the Zetas to alter the meaning, something she previously said she never did, that anything between the tags SOZT/EOZT were messages as they were received by the Zetas. She has also shown us time and time again that she is too pig headed to accept when she is wrong, and instead gives us an even more ludicrous story to cover up her gaffes. She has opted to live in her own little fantasy world, and as long as others encourage her, she will continue to lose her grip on reality.
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. She has also shown us time and time again that she is too pig headed to accept when she is wrong, and instead gives us an even more ludicrous story to cover up her gaffes. She has opted to live in her own little fantasy world, and as long as others encourage her, she will continue to lose her grip on reality.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

Would you say that the information Nancy has received (which she believes to be true) is intentionally false? There is a reason for this misinfo?
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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. She has also shown us time and time again that she is too pig headed to accept when she is wrong, and instead gives us an even more ludicrous story to cover up her gaffes. She has opted to live in her own little fantasy world, and as long as others encourage her, she will continue to lose her grip on reality.

Would you say that the information Nancy has received (which she believes to be true) is intentionally false? There is a reason for this misinfo?
 Quoting: George B

I am not sure about this. Sometimes I think she just makes this stuff up trusting that there will always be a few people gullible enough to swallow it and keep feeding her sense of self importance. Other times I think that people like her discredit genuine and serious research in the area of the paranormal and UFOlogy. Perhaps it is unintentional, or maybe not. I don't think it matters. The fact is that she is consistently wrong about everything. Fortunately, only a very insignificant percentage of the world population has ever even heard of her, and true believers at this point could probably be counted on my fingers and toes.
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Live our lives as human beings in the world we know....
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That is good advice for the bunkers.....to start living for today and not put so much energy into that which is delusional and nonsensical....like a halted Earth.
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....Other times I think that people like her discredit genuine and serious research in the area of the paranormal and UFOlogy. Perhaps it is unintentional, or maybe not. I don't think it matters. The fact is that she is consistently wrong about everything. Fortunately, only a very insignificant percentage of the world population has ever even heard of her, and true believers at this point could probably be counted on my fingers and toes.
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Nancy LIEDer is not very well known on Planet Earth, as far as celebrity status goes. And yes because Ms LIEDer has been consistently wrong about everything it is only a "handful" of people, both inside and outside of GLP, that even take her seriously. The serious and genuine researchers of both ufology and the paranormal have absolutely nothing to worry about, in regards to the rantings of Nancy LIEDer, as these people have far greater exposure and a far greater audience that Ms LIEDer could only dream of having. In all of the books; magazines; videos; and dvds that I have ever watched or read on the subjects of ufology; Planet X; and the paranormal.....Nancy LIEDer's name has never been brought up ONCE...and for GOOD REASON.....Nancy LIEDer is A FAILED KOOKIE WOOWOO!!!!!

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She has until September 2011 for her next Great White Lie.
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Yeah I'm really looking forward to the next Great White Lie. Whatever it will be it is guaranteed to be pretty lame and too far out for the normal intelligent person's logic to refrain from total lol4me .

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Why are 78/68 and Melfy even ON this thread? They were so desperate to have the debunkers gone... so what is their deal?

They come here to monitor what's going on and then report it back to Nancy.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


I would not be totally surprised if they were both clones......or maybe hybrids from Ms LIEDer's encounters with Mr Slinky or Cockroach Man. Their ages would be accelerated of course due to the alien dna present within their beings.

And last but not least both are as illogical and as stupid in their rants as their Great Overlords....The Zetas!!!!
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Live our lives as human beings in the world we know....


That is good advice for the bunkers.....to start living for today and not put so much energy into that which is delusional and nonsensical....like a halted Earth.
 Quoting: The Lone Ranger

Or alien fish?
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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She has until September 2011 for her next Great White Lie.


Yeah I'm really looking forward to the next Great White Lie. Whatever it will be it is guaranteed to be pretty lame and too far out for the normal intelligent person's logic to refrain from total lol4me .

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You do not have an "accuracy track record".
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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Why are 78/68 and Melfy even ON this thread? They were so desperate to have the debunkers gone... so what is their deal?

They come here to monitor what's going on and then report it back to Nancy.


I would not be totally surprised if they were both clones......or maybe hybrids from Ms LIEDer's encounters with Mr Slinky or Cockroach Man. Their ages would be accelerated of course due to the alien dna present within their beings.

And last but not least both are as illogical and as stupid in their rants as their Great Overlords....The Zetas!!!!
 Quoting: The Lone Ranger

Civilized people accord to their fellow beings a certain baseline RESPECT. The depraved however dispense with even this modest civility and instead attempt to deride their fellow man with maximum effort and no restraint, seasoning their diatribe with lies, slander, slurs and false innuendos.

Such is the lot who call themselves DEBUNKERS.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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