Why should anyone believe a KNOWN LIAR and SHILL???
You're right...so why do you find it so hard to understand why we don't believe you, Nancy or User?
Quoting: Circuit Breaker
Melfy is obviously one short of a six pack.....what else could explain Melfy's behaviour?
Why how could I forget so quickly.......Melfy did afterall have a complete GLP Melfdown so a little compassion should be afforded to the zidiot.
Life Is But A Dream!!
Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all."
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"ZetaTalk is all crap. Nancy has spent over ten years writing and compiling a huge web site full of total bullshit. It's a work of true insanity, but useful for nothing other than students of manic disorders." Anonymous Coward. User ID: 597174. 7/11/2009 8:22 PM
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I concede that Nancy and ZetaTalk are not the most "trustworthy" of "sources" because her reputation, credentials and track record leave a LOT to be desired. Melfy 9/21/09
There is a mountain of text on the Zeta-Talk threads and website, so if someone would be so kind as to answer this the best they can, it would be be appreciated.
Nancy claims to be channeling an alien. Has anyone met Nancy? Does SHE believe she is actually channeling?
Some of her advice was bad/malevolent, with the whole puppy heaven thing. Once, she failed to multiply two numbers together on a talk show, so her alien can't do simple math with a calculator.
Just to throw this out there...could she actually be channeling a demon or some other destructive entity, instead of just being full of shit?
My take on the source of Nancy's material is that she has been duped by some unhelpful entities.
Whenever you call out for contact with other entities, you are leaving yourself wide open to all sorts of things that most people do not understand, nor can they protect themselves from them.
Everything is energy and consciousness. We are but one form of conscious energy. There are many others. None are more or less advanced than we, they just have different forms and perceive the energy around them so differently as to not be of this world. It is all about how we perceive and define what we see that determines the world we live in and how we see other conscious energetic beings.
There are entities that latch onto other lifeforms. They aren't evil, they only do what is in their nature to do, and they feed off the life energy of organic life forms. The good news is that in most cases, they cannot do this unless invited. That is why it is so silly and dangerous to ask for other entities to contact you. Without realizing it, you are inviting them to feed off your own life essence, and they really have nothing to offer in exchange. You might as well hang a sign that says "Free Lunch" around your neck.
If one were able to see these entities with their eyes, they would look like any number of energetic configurations and tentacles. Once you have experience seeing them without freaking out, you can learn the subtle differences and distinguish the very few that have anything that would be of interest to us. In my experience, it is a pointless exercise to be in contact with them. They can bring much more harm than good, and usually it is not their intention. They are just so removed from our world, and their nature is so different. They complicate things at best, and at worst they can reduce you to a blathering idiot and slowly sap you of your life essence.
These entities surround us yet they are not here. It is hard to explain. Everything that is exists right here and now, but the bands of perception are what prevent us from seeing it all. Likewise, they only perceive us if they choose to. Their world is so alien to ours, as our world is completely alien to them. In that sense, it is correct to call them aliens, but they do not come from other planets.
The world we see is a construct of our mind, interpreting the energies we sense. We learn descriptions and definitions from the time we are born, and as we adopt them and apply them, the world we see solidifies. This is how an energetic configuration becomes a plant or a mountain or a bug. Once we learn to correlate a description with a given energetic configuration, we will always see it according to that description, unless we learn to suspend our inner dictionary. If we learn to do that, we could see the bug as an energetic being, or we could apply a new description and see it as a pterodactyl or anything else of our choosing.
When we encounter energetic configurations, or aware beings that we have no description for, the mind struggles to find one that is familiar within our inventory of definitions and descriptions. This is why people claim to see aliens, angels, demons, elfs, fairies, spirit guides, departed spirits, etc. The visitor is real, but the way we see them is very subjective. We tend to choose the one we feel most comfortable with. It is a natural human response when confronted with the unknown.
Once you have defined a given energetic entity with a description that your mind accepts, you will see it according to that description. If you want an alien, you will see an alien, and the entity will comply and appear as you have defined the perception.
I think this is what Nancy has done. She called out for contact, and attracted entities she did not understand. Faced with the unknown, something she had no description for, she reached into her subconscious inventory and the description that she felt most comfortable with was the Zeta alien. Unfortunately, most of what she is given is totally useless. It is like a worm on a hook to keep her compliant, as they feed off her life force. I also think that on some level she knows her Zetas are yanking her chain, but she has so much invested in ZetaTalk that she can't stop, and invents material which she attributes to a higher source.
One of the main reasons why I speak out regarding Nancy and Zeta Talk is that she encourages people to send out the call. Everything you need to know as a human being is within your own being. You do not need to be enlightened by any other entity outside yourself. My recommendation is that when you feel such presences, just voice out loud that you want them to leave you alone. Much more often than not, they will respect your wish. After all, there is no shortage of organic beings that willingly offer to host them.
Believe me, I have learned this the hard way, and it was the hardest thing in the world to admit it to myself and break off contact. Trust in yourself. You do not need anyone or anything to show you anything.
Quoting: KeepingItReal
Jesus Christ "healer man", you've got a lot of nerve calling Nancy Lieder loony or crazy!
That was some of the most fucked up shit I have read in a LONG time.
You really are full of yourself and I think ... SICK IN THE HEAD!! (((shaking head)))
Jesus Christ "healer man", you've got a lot of nerve calling Nancy Lieder loony or crazy!
That was some of the most fucked up shit I have read in a LONG time.
You really are full of yourself and I think ... SICK IN THE HEAD!! (((shaking head)))
Unbefuckinlievable.
Quoting: User # 78/68
It's good that you don't just believe everything you read on the internet, though I assure you I am not making this up, and I left a lot of things out. I can't prove any of what I said, because the only way to prove it is to experience seeing energy in its raw form for yourself. I don't blame anyone for thinking it is bullshit, and I don't expect anyone to just take my word for it. I was only sharing my perspective.
It's too bad you don't hold Nancy to the same standard. Too bad you believe her about everything when her material is full of things that are obviously and demonstrably false. I can't prove that what I said is true, but you can't prove it is false. Nancy, however has been consistently proven to be wrong.
Finally, I don't see where I called Nancy loony or crazy. How did you get that from my post. Oh. That's right, you just froth at the mouth without any proof or reason.
Last Edited by KeepingItReal on 11/3/2009 at 12:36 AM Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 758858 11/3/2009 12:41 AM
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat November 21 - Zetas Wrong Yet Again!!
Believe me, I have learned this the hard way, and it was the hardest thing in the world to admit it to myself and break off contact. Trust in yourself. You do not need anyone or anything to show you anything.
Quoting: KeepingItReal
KIR,
What was your wakeup call?
Anonymous Coward User ID: 553451 11/3/2009 1:16 AM
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat November 21 - Zetas Wrong Yet Again!!
Believe me, I have learned this the hard way, and it was the hardest thing in the world to admit it to myself and break off contact. Trust in yourself. You do not need anyone or anything to show you anything.
KIR,
What was your wakeup call?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 758858
Haha. I can laugh at myself now. I was a really self important asshole. I thought that I was being visited by one of my ancestors. He was a massive and impressive Indian, he exuded power and wisdom. He dressed in traditional clothing made of hide and fur. He visited me in dreams and in meditations from the time I was about 7. He told me stuff. He had me convinced that there would be a shift in world consciousness in 1968, that the evolved souls would inherit a purified earth, and that I would play an important part in the transformation. (Sound familiar? LOL) Of course, 1968 came and went and the world got worse instead of better. And I was growing less and less connected to the world around me. I was despondent and arrogant. I couldn't understand how my Indian guide could convince me to go out on a limb and leave me hanging. People laughed at me and called me a phony prophet, and that made me belligerent.
I went through a long process of seeking other kinds of truth. I lived on a hippie commune for a while, but quit after a short stint because they were all talk and no real action. I tried out Eastern philosophy and tantra. I made some progress with the tantra, and lost my enormous sense of self importance and started learning techniques to quiet my mind. Still, though less frequently, I would see that Indian, but by then I wanted him to just leave me alone.
I had literally given up on finding the answers I was looking for. Then I met a healer in Mexico. Through my association with him, I learned to see that Indian for what he really was, an energetic entity that exists and is as real as I am, but is not of this world and is completely alien from anything human. I guess I chose to see him as an Indian because of my own history. I realized that it was pointless to think he had any insights into my world, and once I told him to leave me alone, he did. I haven't seen him since 1979.
I don't want to imply that the things I speak of are unique to indigenous culture. In fact, they aren't particularly part of any indigenous culture that I am aware of. There are people all over the world that have come to the same realization and seen raw energy and understood what they are seeing. It belongs to no one culture or people. Your genes have nothing to do with it. There is no doctrine or dogma, because you are really seeing things as they are, with no descriptions, no preconceived ideas and no expectations.
The only way to get to the point where you can see past the descriptions and definitions in our subconscious dictionary is to erase all sense of history and erase also the definitions. It was a long and scary process. Believe me, there is nothing on earth as scary as seeing energetic beings as raw energy, which is probably why we choose to see them as benevolent and enlightened beings. You can actually feel your mind trying to come up with an acceptable frame of reference, but part of the exercise is to shut the mind off and just observe. Then the revelations come.
Again, I don't expect anyone to believe this. It is something you have to discover and work through on your own. When I think back, there was a friend of my grandfather's that told me back when I was a teenager that I needed to disregard the "wisdom" of that indian, but I didn't listen. I had to learn it myself, though I would have saved myself a lot of trouble if I had just believed him. Some of you will think I am completely nuts, and maybe I am. But hey, I am in good company. This is GLP after all.
prof_rabbit nli User ID: 808303 11/3/2009 1:42 AM
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat November 21 - Zetas Wrong Yet Again!!
Unfortunately the prognosis for Nancy is not good, claiming planet x as an incoming brown dwarf star in 1995 Nancy has escalated her claims over the years to culminate in the destruction of life as we know it in 2003, when this failed to materialize (and all her supporters left) Nancy's delusion simply grew and common sense of any kind disappeared, now a "water planet" inside the orbit of Venus planet x fails to vaporize due to a protective "dust cloud" while remaining invisible from all telescopes on earth.
Meanwhile Planet x and it's zetas have stopped the earth from orbiting and bob the earth up and down to fool everyone that nothing is amiss, Nancy "channels" zeta information via a "chip" in her head put there by the zetas who originally contacted Nancy by showing her an unwrapped starburst candy in a box.
Nancy wants us to prepare for planet wide destruction "real soon" during which 95% of humans will perish while true "believers" will be saved by Nancy and her zetas. I guess this is a minimalist synopsis. Nancy's proof of planet x includes pictures of a child's kite in front of the sun.
After more than 12 years without treatment Nancy demonstrates several psychotic disorders including, Delusional Disorder, Schizophrenia and Narcissistic Personality Disorder, while her family originally attempted to help, Nancy refused and has progressively deteriorated over the ensuing years.
Nancy has a complex mental condition that includes a "Messianic complex" vis.
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Messianic complex is a psychological state in which the individual believes him/herself to be, or is destined to become, the saviour of the particular field, a group, an event, a time period, or in an extreme scenario, the world.
People with Messianic Complexes tend to see themselves as saviours to a specific group of people or a specific field, making claims of their own glory, or claiming a self awareness of their own gift and how that gift can affect a group of people or a field of life.
In the most extreme cases, people with Messianic Complexes may see themselves as spiritual/religious Messiahs with transcendent powers who are destined to save the world.
end quote
FreeStore bought this hook line and sinker, giving up his worldly possessions to build a shelter, when May 2003 came and went FreeStore was left to either admit he made a mistake or follow Nancy, FreeStore was so entrenched with the idea of zetas that his wife and child left, so FreeStore has nothing except Nancy and the zetas, it is a sad story, one that demonstrates what happens to a cult after it collapses.
***ZetaMax*** Getting The Truth Out User ID: 809282 11/3/2009 6:38 AM
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat November 21 - Zetas Wrong Yet Again!!
Unfortunately the prognosis for Nancy is not good, claiming planet x as an incoming brown dwarf star in 1995 Nancy has escalated her claims over the years to culminate in the destruction of life as we know it in 2003, when this failed to materialize (and all her supporters left) Nancy's delusion simply grew and common sense of any kind disappeared, now a "water planet" inside the orbit of Venus planet x fails to vaporize due to a protective "dust cloud" while remaining invisible from all telescopes on earth.
Meanwhile Planet x and it's zetas have stopped the earth from orbiting and bob the earth up and down to fool everyone that nothing is amiss, Nancy "channels" zeta information via a "chip" in her head put there by the zetas who originally contacted Nancy by showing her an unwrapped starburst candy in a box.
Nancy wants us to prepare for planet wide destruction "real soon" during which 95% of humans will perish while true "believers" will be saved by Nancy and her zetas. I guess this is a minimalist synopsis. Nancy's proof of planet x includes pictures of a child's kite in front of the sun.
After more than 12 years without treatment Nancy demonstrates several psychotic disorders including, Delusional Disorder, Schizophrenia and Narcissistic Personality Disorder, while her family originally attempted to help, Nancy refused and has progressively deteriorated over the ensuing years.
Nancy has a complex mental condition that includes a "Messianic complex" vis.
quote
Messianic complex is a psychological state in which the individual believes him/herself to be, or is destined to become, the saviour of the particular field, a group, an event, a time period, or in an extreme scenario, the world.
People with Messianic Complexes tend to see themselves as saviours to a specific group of people or a specific field, making claims of their own glory, or claiming a self awareness of their own gift and how that gift can affect a group of people or a field of life.
In the most extreme cases, people with Messianic Complexes may see themselves as spiritual/religious Messiahs with transcendent powers who are destined to save the world.
end quote
FreeStore bought this hook line and sinker, giving up his worldly possessions to build a shelter, when May 2003 came and went FreeStore was left to either admit he made a mistake or follow Nancy, FreeStore was so entrenched with the idea of zetas that his wife and child left, so FreeStore has nothing except Nancy and the zetas, it is a sad story, one that demonstrates what happens to a cult after it collapses.
Quoting: prof_rabbit nli 808303
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.
Why should anyone believe a KNOWN LIAR and SHILL???
You're right...so why do you find it so hard to understand why we don't believe you, Nancy or User?
Melfy is obviously one short of a six pack.....what else could explain Melfy's behaviour?
Why how could I forget so quickly.......Melfy did afterall have a complete GLP Melfdown so a little compassion should be afforded to the zidiot.
I think he is a few oats shy of a haggis. Hell, he can't even read the script he lies from with any conviction.
Quoting: The Commentator
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.
You and Nancy ARE alike in that you are always anxious to
censor people. "I've had two teenagers who were considering killing themselves, because they didn't want to
be around when the world ends. Two women in the last two weeks said they were contemplating
killing their children and themselves so they wouldn't have to suffer through the end of the world."
-- NASA Astrobiology Institute scientist David Morrison, on 2012 fears
Can't PM? Feel free to email me at DrPostman(at)gmail.com
Jesus Christ "healer man", you've got a lot of nerve calling Nancy Lieder loony or crazy!
Quoting: User # 78/68
Just look at LOSER'S hypocrisy at work again! He has the gall to jump on KeepingItReal, accusing him of calling Nancy crazy (which he didn't), and yet he calls Candace crazy. Wow, LOSER, you sure have a lot of nerve calling her crazy and then accusing someone else of doing the same thing about Nancy. But then, the difference is that Nancy's your boss, not Candace so you can say whatever you want about her, huh?
That was some of the most fucked up shit I have read in a LONG time.
Quoting: User # 78/68
Do you want to see some really fucked up shit? Try going back and reading all your posts for the past several years.
You really are full of yourself and I think ... SICK IN THE HEAD!! (((shaking head)))
Finally, I don't see where I called Nancy loony or crazy. How did you get that from my post. Oh. That's right, you just froth at the mouth without any proof or reason.
Quoting: KeepingItReal
No, LOSER just makes assumptions...something he claims not to do.
Returner User ID: 997 11/3/2009 9:41 AM
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat November 21 - Zetas Wrong Yet Again!!
Hey, this is our thread. If you don't like what's posted, feel free to see yourself out and don't come back. The only reason you're here is to collect information for Nancy and then report back.
Returner User ID: 997 11/3/2009 9:50 AM
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat November 21 - Zetas Wrong Yet Again!!
I imagine that Nancy gives Max a big pat on his pointy head every time he trots up to her with a report on what the Evil League of STS Debunkers has been up to.
He probably also embellishes his own valiant contribtions.
"I made CB cry, Nancy! I was so brave and clever and they all admitted ZT was the ultimate truth and they said to tell you they were sorry for ever doubting the Zetas in the first place!'
And then I picture him dancing around on all fours, like a hyperactive Jack Russell getting a good look at a proferred piece of crispy bacon...
Returner User ID: 997 11/3/2009 10:14 AM
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat November 21 - Zetas Wrong Yet Again!!
Believe me, I have learned this the hard way, and it was the hardest thing in the world to admit it to myself and break off contact. Trust in yourself. You do not need anyone or anything to show you anything.
KIR,
Again, I don't expect anyone to believe this. It is something you have to discover and work through on your own. When I think back, there was a friend of my grandfather's that told me back when I was a teenager that I needed to disregard the "wisdom" of that indian, but I didn't listen. I had to learn it myself, though I would have saved myself a lot of trouble if I had just believed him. Some of you will think I am completely nuts, and maybe I am. But hey, I am in good company. This is GLP after all.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553451
KIR,
So you believe the 'energy beings' are just another life form? Do you have any theories why they wish to deceive individuals in this density/dimension? Also, what is your take on remote viewing?
The Lone Ranger Debunking Zetatalk for the sake of the people User ID: 809549 11/3/2009 1:40 PM
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat November 21 - Zetas Wrong Yet Again!!
The ban button is really the only ammuntion Melfy and Nancy and Luser have left in their arsenal.
Reason, facts, and evidence have all fled them.
Quoting: Returner 997
Life Is But A Dream!!
Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all."
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"ZetaTalk is all crap. Nancy has spent over ten years writing and compiling a huge web site full of total bullshit. It's a work of true insanity, but useful for nothing other than students of manic disorders." Anonymous Coward. User ID: 597174. 7/11/2009 8:22 PM
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I concede that Nancy and ZetaTalk are not the most "trustworthy" of "sources" because her reputation, credentials and track record leave a LOT to be desired. Melfy 9/21/09
The Lone Ranger Debunking Zetatalk for the sake of the people User ID: 809549 11/3/2009 2:02 PM
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat November 21 - Zetas Wrong Yet Again!!
Just another aspect of your roleplaying delusion eh!!
Now get back to school wittle Melfy!!......I mean you get schooled every day by the debunkers on GLP, and your ego is bruised constantly, so I kind of understand why you must revert back to your Eric CartmanAuthoritah!!!! mode. Makes your bruised ego feel better eh!! Life Is But A Dream!!
Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all."
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"ZetaTalk is all crap. Nancy has spent over ten years writing and compiling a huge web site full of total bullshit. It's a work of true insanity, but useful for nothing other than students of manic disorders." Anonymous Coward. User ID: 597174. 7/11/2009 8:22 PM
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I concede that Nancy and ZetaTalk are not the most "trustworthy" of "sources" because her reputation, credentials and track record leave a LOT to be desired. Melfy 9/21/09
Anonymous Coward User ID: 658394 11/3/2009 2:09 PM
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat November 21 - Zetas Wrong Yet Again!!
I'm sure they'd happily stay in the ZT safe threads, if anyone else was there.
But since the level of interest in all things ZetaTalk is lately exceeded by curiousity about chair legs manufactured in New Jersey on a certain summer afternoon in 1959, they really don't have anywhere to go but here.
Sucks to be a ZT devotee in 2009. There's only so much terror Nancy can wring out of her failed 2003 mystery planetoid.
Circuit Breaker Countdown To Nancy's Next Failure User ID: 766491 11/3/2009 2:19 PM
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat November 21 - Zetas Wrong Yet Again!!
Just thought I'd dredge this little gem up off of Soledad's thread since she's been rather nasty lately.
Economic Collapse (October, 2009, ff.): The economy will begin to falter again, this time even more rapidly and will never again reverse, eventually leading to total economic collapse. Along the way, we will see repeated government failures at "restarting the economy," credit impossible to get, ugly trade wars, and prices and availability of basic goods (especially food) shooting up. By this time next year, we will be well on our way to a barter economy.
Quoting: Soledad
Hmmm, okay. So where the collapse? Is the economy doing great? No. But it's showing signs of improvement. The DOW is higher than it was on March 9 when it reached its lowest point closing 6457.05. Home sales are slowly increasing as is construction. We still have a long way to go but, overall, the economy is better now than it was just six months ago and there was no sign of a collapse.
The Lone Ranger Debunking Zetatalk for the sake of the people User ID: 809549 11/3/2009 2:28 PM
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat November 21 - Zetas Wrong Yet Again!!
Why are 78/68 and Melfy even ON this thread? They were so desperate to have the debunkers gone... so what is their deal?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 658394
Because they are both hypocrites. Life Is But A Dream!!
Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all."
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"ZetaTalk is all crap. Nancy has spent over ten years writing and compiling a huge web site full of total bullshit. It's a work of true insanity, but useful for nothing other than students of manic disorders." Anonymous Coward. User ID: 597174. 7/11/2009 8:22 PM
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I concede that Nancy and ZetaTalk are not the most "trustworthy" of "sources" because her reputation, credentials and track record leave a LOT to be desired. Melfy 9/21/09
The Lone Ranger Debunking Zetatalk for the sake of the people User ID: 809549 11/3/2009 2:33 PM
Re: Debunker Talk LIVE Chat November 21 - Zetas Wrong Yet Again!!
I'm sure they'd happily stay in the ZT safe threads, if anyone else was there.
Quoting: Returner 997
Yep, both Melfy and Luserboy are desperate for attention. They just don't get the needed action by hanging out in dead threads such as Zetatalk chat live.
Life Is But A Dream!!
Therefore, "'Tis better to have dreamed and lost than never to have dreamed at all."
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"ZetaTalk is all crap. Nancy has spent over ten years writing and compiling a huge web site full of total bullshit. It's a work of true insanity, but useful for nothing other than students of manic disorders." Anonymous Coward. User ID: 597174. 7/11/2009 8:22 PM
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I concede that Nancy and ZetaTalk are not the most "trustworthy" of "sources" because her reputation, credentials and track record leave a LOT to be desired. Melfy 9/21/09
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Why how could I forget so quickly.......Melfy did afterall have a complete GLP Melfdown so a little compassion should be afforded to the zidiot.
debunkers on GLP, and your ego is bruised constantly, so I kind of understand why you must revert back to your Eric Cartman Authoritah!!!! mode. Makes your bruised ego feel better eh!!
Yep, both Melfy and Luserboy are desperate for attention. They just don't get the needed action by hanging out in dead threads such as Zetatalk chat live. 
