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***ZetaMax***

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Does that go for "me" as well?


Only if you share what you are doing. Can you at least do
that? What is there to be afraid of?
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We're cooking a locally raised fresh-never-frozen 22 pound turkey for about 12 people. Dang bird cost $75!
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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So, what's everyone doing for Thanksgiving?


Volunteer Regional Convention 27 is being hosted this year
in Memphis. 5 days of workshops and fellowshipping, along
with banquets and other forms of entertainment (including
that play I'm participating in). I was the chairperson for
VRC 19 and while I'm glad for the experience I don't think
I'll ever repeat that. We get close to 2,000 people for the
convention and during those 5 days of VRC 19 I bet I only
got about 2 hours sleep a night.
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Hey DrPostman.....all the best for that play you are in bro.

And to ALL our American GLPers ...enjoy your Thanksgiving Day!!

Does that go for "me" as well?
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Of course Max. Well, unless something really bad happens in the next 24 hours, I guess you will finally give up on Nancy as you said here some time back:

I have been telling friends that if we get to Thanksgiving (American holiday in November) and absolutely nothing has happened to cause the average person any more concern than they feel today, then even "I" will start making future plans other than "survival".

I wish you a happy Thanksgiving, Max. You can reflect on being thankful that you finally recognize that Nancy is full of crap, that you can get on with your life and enjoy your loved ones.
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So, what's everyone doing for Thanksgiving? We'll probably find a place that's open. There's just the three of us...and one of us pretty much eats nothing but chicken nuggets, mac n cheese and fruit. The wife made two Cornish game hens a few years back with all the traditional sides...but it seemed like a lot of effort for the short amount of time we were at the table. I'll probably get up at 5:00 and do a quick run...which will actually be sleeping in since I've been getting up at 4:00 this week to work on school assignments so I could get them done early...which I did for the most part. I still have an essay due early next week on network security, but everything else is done.


We have family coming over for lunch, but since the sky if finally clearing here in SC after a week of clouds and rain, I'll be heading to the observatory to do some work to get it ready for a new imaging scope that will be arriving in the next week or so...

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"affordable price"

Pricing: $9,990 - ouch!
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For 'Thanksgiving,' dog meat rather than turkey will be served.
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"affordable price"

Pricing: $9,990 - ouch!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 817765

There's an HF amateur transceiver I would love to have that costs more than that - the Icom IC-7800. Over $10,000. Art Bell has one...but even though he HAS the money, he didn't buy it. The radio was given to him by Premiere Radio Networks for his birthday one year. That's one thing that kind of annoys me about celebrities...they can afford all the stuff they have but a lot of it is given to them.

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Does that go for "me" as well?
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***

Of course, Max. We may bicker here, but I don't dislike anyone...not even User. And I'd even extend holiday greetings to him...but he claims to be in Canada which means it wouldn't really be the same since they celebrate Thanksgiving on the second Monday of October.

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The fanatic is perpetually incomplete and insecure. He cannot generate self-assurance out of his individual resources -- out of his rejected self -- but finds it only by clinging passionately to whatever support he happens to embrace. This passionate attachment is the essence of his blind devotion and religiosity, and he sees in it the source of all virtue and strength.... He easily sees himself as the supporter and defender of the holy cause to which he clings. And he is ready to sacrifice his life.

Hoffer also seemed to think that true believers want to give up all personal responsibility for their beliefs and actions. They want to be free of the burden of freedom.

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 Quoting: tater 826847


In addition and relating to Nancy herself:


Nancy has a complex mental condition that includes a "Messianic complex" vis.

quote
Messianic complex is a psychological state in which the individual believes him/herself to be, or is destined to become, the saviour of the particular field, a group, an event, a time period, or in an extreme scenario, the world.

People with Messianic Complexes tend to see themselves as saviours to a specific group of people or a specific field, making claims of their own glory, or claiming a self awareness of their own gift and how that gift can affect a group of people or a field of life.

In the most extreme cases, people with Messianic Complexes may see themselves as spiritual/religious Messiahs with transcendent powers who are destined to save the world.
end quote

Then you have Freestore:

FreeStore bought this hook line and sinker, giving up his worldly possessions to build a shelter, when May 2003 came and went FreeStore was left to either admit he made a mistake or follow Nancy, FreeStore was so entrenched with the idea of zetas that his wife and child left, so FreeStore has nothing except Nancy and the zetas, it is a sad story, one that demonstrates what happens to a cult after it collapses.
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Embargo.

It's Thanksgiving Day here in the States so let's lay off the criticisms for 24 hours.
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Good point.
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Embargo.

It's Thanksgiving Day here in the States so let's lay off the criticisms for 24 hours.
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6% of the worlds population and you still want to tell everyone what to do.
"Anger is a wind that blows out the lamp of your mind"
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Happy Thanksgiving, everyone (and yes, Max, that includes you)!

About to head to the in-laws for the big eat. Spent all day yesterday switching out toilets and auging out the waste lines at my folks' house -- ah, the glamour.

Take care all!
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Best wishes to All!
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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We're cooking a locally raised fresh-never-frozen 22 pound turkey for about 12 people. Dang bird cost $75!
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Ah but you can afford it, Melfy!!

Don't worry your true identity will remain anonymous for now!!

Happy Thanksgiving!!!

sucky
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:sucky:
 Quoting: The Lone Ranger


Oh, let's at least show a little holiday cheer! We disagree on PX but we'd all pull each other out of a burning building wouldn't we? :)
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So, what's everyone doing for Thanksgiving? We'll probably find a place that's open. There's just the three of us...and one of us pretty much eats nothing but chicken nuggets, mac n cheese and fruit. The wife made two Cornish game hens a few years back with all the traditional sides...but it seemed like a lot of effort for the short amount of time we were at the table. I'll probably get up at 5:00 and do a quick run...which will actually be sleeping in since I've been getting up at 4:00 this week to work on school assignments so I could get them done early...which I did for the most part. I still have an essay due early next week on network security, but everything else is done.


We have family coming over for lunch, but since the sky if finally clearing here in SC after a week of clouds and rain, I'll be heading to the observatory to do some work to get it ready for a new imaging scope that will be arriving in the next week or so...

[link to www.planewaveinstruments.com]


"affordable price"

Pricing: $9,990 - ouch!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 817765


Remember, that's just for the optical tube...the mount show is another $13,000. And that's the least expensive scope they make.
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So, what's everyone doing for Thanksgiving? We'll probably find a place that's open. There's just the three of us...and one of us pretty much eats nothing but chicken nuggets, mac n cheese and fruit. The wife made two Cornish game hens a few years back with all the traditional sides...but it seemed like a lot of effort for the short amount of time we were at the table. I'll probably get up at 5:00 and do a quick run...which will actually be sleeping in since I've been getting up at 4:00 this week to work on school assignments so I could get them done early...which I did for the most part. I still have an essay due early next week on network security, but everything else is done.


We have family coming over for lunch, but since the sky if finally clearing here in SC after a week of clouds and rain, I'll be heading to the observatory to do some work to get it ready for a new imaging scope that will be arriving in the next week or so...

[link to www.planewaveinstruments.com]


"affordable price"

Pricing: $9,990 - ouch!


Remember, that's just for the optical tube...the mount show is another $13,000. And that's the least expensive scope they make.
 Quoting: 88145 795135


Double ouch - that's more than I paid for my Frontier.
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Well, you know, boys and their toys.
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sucky


Oh, let's at least show a little holiday cheer! We disagree on PX but we'd all pull each other out of a burning building wouldn't we? :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 548017


Well in Melfy's case I would endeavour to rescue from the fire any helpless puppies first.
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Embargo.

It's Thanksgiving Day here in the States so let's lay off the criticisms for 24 hours.


6% of the worlds population and you still want to tell everyone what to do.
 Quoting: Prof_Rabbit


Big_smile I've even seen posts where people seemingly fail to realise that GLP is frequented by people from all over our globe.....you know as in 24/7....and that not all posters live within the times zones of the United States.
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sucky


Oh, let's at least show a little holiday cheer! We disagree on PX but we'd all pull each other out of a burning building wouldn't we? :)


Well in Melfy's case I would endeavour to rescue from the fire any helpless puppies first.
 Quoting: The Lone Ranger

Even if they were already dead?
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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exactly what is this thanksgiving thing anyway?

afaik its purely a regional holiday in the usa only

why we suddenly have `thanksgiving ' adds appearing on australian tv is beyond me

all it did was make me decide that the local supamarket thats promoting it is worthy of my total boycott of me ever shopping there again (idea from the local fm radio station morning crew)

i noticed this arvo that even on a `before weekend shopping night' that the carpark is empty

not just not crowded- but totally empty

hmmm...

normally its blocking the street outside with cars waiting

todays its totally empty...
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exactly what is this thanksgiving thing anyway?

afaik its purely a regional holiday in the usa only

why we suddenly have `thanksgiving ' adds appearing on australian tv is beyond me

all it did was make me decide that the local supamarket thats promoting it is worthy of my total boycott of me ever shopping there again (idea from the local fm radio station morning crew)

i noticed this arvo that even on a `before weekend shopping night' that the carpark is empty

not just not crowded- but totally empty

hmmm...

normally its blocking the street outside with cars waiting

todays its totally empty...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 763624

I don't celebrate Thanksgiving because I am native, and I personally find the whole thing offensive. My family used to have a special day at the end of the summer where we gave thanks to the land, the lake, the trout and the deer. We ate squash, with fish cooked on an open fire, and deer jerky, the things we hunted, fished, gathered and grew.

In my other country (where my father is from) there is also a day where they bless the milpa, the cornfield. The family and friends go to the corn field and make crosses of a wild flower called pericon. The crosses are put on the four corners of the corn field. Then you pick fresh ripe corn and roast it on a fire for a feast. This is done in gratitude for the harvest.

In Canada, Thanksgiving is in October, but my family never observed it. I go out of my way to ignore it.
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New ZetaTalk at [link to www.zetatalk.com]


There is the rumor that Obama will give a speech to the world population on all TV channels on Nov 27. Anything true in this rumor? What will he speak about?

SOZT
As one country after another opened their UFO files, one stood apart - the United States, the country with the MOST official information on the existence of the alien presence. During the life of MJ12 the US had extensive contact with aliens, and examined their ships. The US has relics from that era, including mummified alien bodies. But where the US has the MOST to present to the world, has proof positive, they are the also the most reluctant. We have stated, when repeatedly asked about this issue in the past, that such disclosure would deeply embarrass those officials who were at the forefront of denial over the decades. In that the highly popular and well known ZetaTalk website holds proof of a kind in the ZetaTalk Accuracy record, there is an additional fear. If the alien presence is acknowledged, then is the presence of Planet X and the reality of a pending pole shift also being acknowledged?

Note in the February 14, 2008 report by a French participant of a UN meeting on disclosure, that the Earth changes were mentioned. It is not just the reaction of the public to the reality of alien visitors that the establishment fears. The populace is already aware of this from their frequent sightings of UFOs. It is "testimonies of individuals claiming to have first hand knowledge about UFO's, extraterrestrial life, and future global events" that is to be feared, and these individuals debunked as "charlatans". What else but the pending pole shift would cause the anticipated "dramatic economic impact that could lead to recessions in some countries". Mass UFO sightings are already occurring, without economic impact. Clearly, they fear ZetaTalk, with its international fame and prediction accuracy track record, disseminated worldwide for over a decade. The Horizon Project
[link to www.zetatalk.com]
boasted NASA and US contractors as members, purporting the Earth will meet devastation when it aligns with the galactic center. Project Camelot
[link to projectcamelot.org]
claims to host whistleblowers, those wanting the truth out about the alien presence, hosting Sergeant Major Robert Dean discussing the coming of Nibiru and his first hand knowledge of UFOs. Are these individual to be treated as "charlatans"?

Will disclosure occur as predicted by various suedo-scientific personalities such as David Wilcock or Richard Hoagland? Since these individuals earn their living by claiming special insights into the alien presence, they wish to be on the media bandwagon should disclosure actually become a media event. We are here to inform them that such an event, predicted to include a White House announcement with an introduction of actual live aliens, will never occur, and certainly including Wilcock or Hoagland as parties has never been contemplated by the establishment. We have predicted that it is increasing mass sightings, increasing sightings of alien bodies, that will drive public awareness of the alien presence. Official disclosure by the US government is highly unlikely to occur, though they may back off some of their debunking campaigns. ZetaTalk accuracy has only begun to be demonstrated, and this trend will drive our words into increasing media attention. This is a prediction we have made from the start.
EOZT
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I don't celebrate Thanksgiving because I am native, and I personally find the whole thing offensive.
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I understand your position . . . but I think it is not a bad thing to give thanks for your life and your opportunities to experience the universe however you describe it. It is hard for me to believe we are in this world all alone and don't need to thank someone or something for our existence. I guess a communal "Thank You" from one segment of humanity can represent oppression and pain to another and that is very regrettable. It is hard to redress all the crap that we humans have done to each other and to the rest of creation. May be a truly felt “Thank You” is one place to start.
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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I don't celebrate Thanksgiving because I am native, and I personally find the whole thing offensive.
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Why? Just curious.

Anyway, I see Soledad has run away again after claiming it was my personal mission to follow her around and harass her. I went through every thread she's posted for the past six months. In that time, she started 36 threads. Out of those 36, I posted in 20 of them. However, out of those 20 threads I posted in, only 14 had posts directed at her. And, out of those 14 threads, three of them had subjects about "debunkers" which means she wanted a response from them. So, that takes the number down to 11 threads out of 36. Wow, it doesn't sound like I'm following her around and harassing her to me. She obviously feels she's more important than she actually is.
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I don't celebrate Thanksgiving because I am native, and I personally find the whole thing offensive.

Why? Just curious.

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I don't like the lore behind it about the pilgrims and the indians sharing that first meal. In reality, my people were forced onto reservations, made to be ashamed about their heritage, looked down upon, their lands were taken and spoiled. A lot of my generation ended up in residential schools where they were mistreated and punished. I was lucky to escape that fate, thanks to my father and a turn of luck in his family, I was given the best education at a normal school and managed to slip through the cracks and be treated better than most. I think it's because my features are more latin american than native indian. It's only in the last 30 years that things have improved and the people are recovering their pride. In fact, the native band where I live is one of the wealthiest nation in Canada. It took a lot of hard work, but the people now have opportunities that my generation only dreamed of.

I remember Thanksgivings when I was a kid, we lived on a reservation and were so poor we ate macaroni for dinner while the people in the nieghbourhoods around the reservation were having turkey and all the trimmings. I wouldn't have such a problem if people consumed what they produced themselves instead of store bought turkeys stuffed with ready made stuffing, vegetables imported from heaven knows where.

That's not the only reason. I don't observe any of the holidays, including Christmas, Halloween, Easter, etc. Whatever meaning they may have once had, they no longer do. They are scheduled reasons to spend money on things we don't need. To me, they are just days of the year.

I was brought up to give thanks every day. I give thanks before every meal. I regularly walk up into the mountains, overlooking the lake and wait for the sun to rise. I give thanks to the sky, the earth and her creatures, the waters and to spirit.
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Well, I don't know anything about how Native Americans were treated in Canada, but it doesn't sound like it was much better than how the U.S. treated them...which was deplorable. I happen to really love the Southwest and the Four Corners region. When we moved to Florida and I could no longer visit the region like I used to when we lived relatively close in San Diego, I really missed it. I would tell my wife that in a past life I must have been Native American because of the connection I feel with it. It was wrong the way the U.S. government hunted down the Navajo, Apache and all other bands and forced them to live on reservations. I really like the movie Dances With Wolves. It's one of my favorite movies and love the soundtrack to it. But I can't watch the movie all the way through because I don't like how the U.S. soldiers treated John Dunbar, simply because he grew to respect the Indians and saw them for who they were.

I can certainly understand your position pertaining to Christmas...it's nothing more than an excuse to spend money and put it in the pockets of someone else.

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Thread: Could groups such as Zetatalk be involved here ?
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I don't celebrate Thanksgiving because I am native, and I personally find the whole thing offensive.

I understand your position . . . but I think it is not a bad thing to give thanks for your life and your opportunities to experience the universe however you describe it. It is hard for me to believe we are in this world all alone and don't need to thank someone or something for our existence. I guess a communal "Thank You" from one segment of humanity can represent oppression and pain to another and that is very regrettable. It is hard to redress all the crap that we humans have done to each other and to the rest of creation. May be a truly felt “Thank You” is one place to start.
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I can certainly understand your position pertaining to Christmas...it's nothing more than an excuse to spend money and put it in the pockets of someone else.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Over the course of my life I have watched the spirit of the Christmas season change a lot. Political correctness has intervened, and a lot of the nice parts have been lost. I remember when I was a kid downtown Vancouver was filled with colorful lights, the carol ships, cranes were decorated. Store fronts were elaborately decorated for Christmas, it was magical. Now they only put up clear lights because apparently some immigrant groups are offended by the colored lights and the sight of Christian images. Businesses no longer put Merry Christmas on their windows, instead they put slogans with no religious significance such as "Happy Holidays" or "Seasons Greetings". Snowmen and Santa Claus are acceptable, but don't dare put up a nativity scene or you will be chastised by the intolerant. It really pisses me off, and I am not even a Christian. Nobody complains when the Chinese celebrate the new year, nobody complains about other ethnic groups openly celebrating their holiest days, but Christians are censored about Christmas. And worst of all, they don't defend their right to put up a gigantic nativity scene in their shop, because it might be bad for business.

It used to be that the spirit of Christmas was about remembering the birth of the most important figure in the Christian religions. Now it is a time to eat and drink more than we should, buy gifts not out of the spontaneous desire to give something meaningful to a friend or loved one, but out of obligation. How many people buy a gift for someone on their list for the sake of buying them something, because they have to? How many Christmas gifts do you receive that are things you didn't want or need, and how many of those things end up in a yard sale or donated to a thrift store?

If it's about being with family, that's cool, but watching my friends who do Christmas "the way it's supposed to be done" go into stress mode starting about now, and it doesn't end until the new year. They have to put up the lights, the tree, prepare the food which in some families takes days in the kitchen, and of course the shopping. Especially the shopping. And inevitably, by January, they are financially drained.

The same has happened to all of the Christian holidays. The original religious significance has taken a back seat to the parallel commercial meaning. An example of this is the Easter bunny which has nothing at all to do with Easter in the religious sense. Easter is now a time for buying chocolate and candy.

Jewish people don't feel the need to water down their religious holidays for the benefit of non Jews. I can't think of another people that does, only Christians. I can't help but wonder why this is so.

Last Edited by KeepingItReal on 11/27/2009 07:10 PM
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