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Debunker Talk LIVE Chat 24/7 - A debunker's paradise!!

 
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Sigh. Nothing but more name calling.

Depressing, isn't it.

I see that you've posted stuff meant for discussion, as have a few others. But looking over the past two pages all I've seen is a bunch of bickering from both sides.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


You, of all people, should realize that discussion can't occur if there are no responses to rational offerings. The whole thing got driven to the state it's in by lack of ANY rational response from Nancy's few alleged supporters. What is there to discuss about a system of "information" which claims that Earth is halted in orbit, where it's "believers" refuse to discuss such things? No rational discussion is possible, almost by sheer definition.

Don't sweat it.
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Those two can really be funny. One "debunker" makes a post over there and they start high fiving each other. Funny how you don't see us bitching about Max being in our thread.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Who's 'us'? I've seen bitching about ZetaMax being here and posting in this thread. He's gotten attacks, insults, and he's been told to leave by some of the posters in this thread.

On page 1, before ZetaMax has posted anything here, he is ridiculed by Lone Ranger. Starts name calling (again!), and ZetaMax points this out, getting this answer from Commentator on page 10:

Don't like melfy, melfster, socky, smelster, stencicles?

How about we just call you "lying sack of shit taking advantage of a senile, delusional old woman so when she dies he can loot her dead cult?" Like that better you useless, lying, pointless sack of rancid parrot shit?
 Quoting: The Commentator


On page 11 ZetaMax makes this request:

PLEASE don't use "melf" (or its derivatives) anymore. It affects me like claws dragging a chalk board. I cringe everytime I see it.

I'm asking nicely. hf
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Only to get this answer from Commentator, who is driven by unforgiving nostalgia and making a threat in case he is ignored by ZM:

This is the second time that you have made this request and I will ask you the same question as last time you asked, a question you ignored: After years of your lies, such as your "paid debunker" lie, after your years of disrespect, rejection of olive branches, and your attitude of overbearing superiority why should I honor your request no matter how nicely it is asked?

Were you proud of your "paid debunker" lie? Did you cheer, even a little just to yourself, everytime your partner in idiocy luser the attack slug leveled the "NASA debunker" lie? Huh? DID YOU?

This is the last time I am asking this question, ignore it and I will call you any damned name that fits your personality and demeanor and if you don't like it, call the chaplain, he cares, I don't.

So think it over very carefully.
 Quoting: The Commentator


And on page 16 we saw the Commentator carrying out his threat this way:

Time is up, melfy.

You ask us to not call you melfy, yet you are without a doubt, the biggest liar, most disrespectful, and staggeringly stupid person I have ever met in my entire life.

You swine. You vulgar little maggot. You worthless bag of filth. As they say in Texas. I'll bet you couldn't pour piss out of a boot with instructions on the heel. You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a lawyer than be seen with you.

You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon.

You are a bleating foal, a curdled staggering mutant dwarf smeared richly with the effluvia and offal accompanying your alleged birth into this world. An insensate, blinking calf, meaningful to nobody, abandoned by the puke-drooling, giggling beasts who sired you and then killed themselfs in recognition of what they had done.

I will never get over the embarrassment of belonging to the same species as you. You are a monster, an ogre, a malformity. I barf at the very thought of you. You have all the appeal of a paper cut. Lepers avoid you. You are vile, worthless, less than nothing. You are a weed, a fungus, the dregs of this earth. And did I mention you smell?

Try to edit your responses of unnecessary material before attempting to impress us with your insight. The evidence that you are a nincompoop will still be available to readers, but they will be able to access it more rapidly.

You snail-skulled little rabbit. Would that a hawk pick you up, drive its beak into your brain, and upon finding it rancid set you loose to fly briefly before spattering the ocean rocks with the frothy pink shame of your ignoble blood. May you ckoke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs.

You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus. Monkeys look down on you. Even sheep won't have sex with you. You are unreservedly pathetic, starved for attention, and lost in a land that reality forgot.

And what meaning do you expect your delusionally self-important statements of unknowing, inexperienced opinion to have with us? What fantasy do you hold that you would believe that your tiny-fisted tantrums would have more weight than that of a leprous desert rat, spinning rabidly in a circle, waiting for the bite of the snake?

You are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, you puerile one-handed slack-jawed drooling meatslapper.

On a good day you're a half-wit. You remind me of drool. You are deficient in all that lends character. You have the personality of wallpaper. You are dank and filthy. You are asinine and benighted. You are the source of all unpleasantness. You spread misery and sorrow wherever you go.

You smarmy lagerlout git. You bloody woofter sod. Bugger off, pillock. You grotty wanking oik artless base-court apple-john. You clouted boggish foot-licking twit. You dankish clack-dish plonker. You gormless crook-pated tosser. You churlish boil-brained clotpole ponce. You cockered bum-bailey poofter. You craven dewberry pisshead cockup pratting naff. You gob-kissing gleeking flap-mouthed coxcomb. You dread-bolted fobbing beef-witted clapper-clawed flirt-gill.

You are a fiend and a coward, and you have bad breath. You are degenerate, noxious and depraved. I feel debased just for knowing you exist. I despise everything about you, and I wish you would go away.

I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are. I mean rock-hard stupid. Dehydrated-rock-hard stupid. Stupid so stupid that it goes way beyond the stupid we know into a whole different dimension of stupid. You are trans-stupid stupid. Meta-stupid. Stupid collapsed on itself so far that even the neutrons have collapsed. Stupid gotten so dense that no intellect can escape. Singularity stupid. Blazing hot mid-day sun on Mercury stupid. You emit more stupid in one second than our entire galaxy emits in a year. Quasar stupid. Your writing has to be a troll. Nothing in our universe can really be this stupid. Perhaps this is some primordial fragment from the original big bang of stupid. Some pure essence of a stupid so uncontaminated by anything else as to be beyond the laws of physics that we know. I'm sorry. I can't go on. This is an epiphany of stupid for me. After this, you may not hear from me again for a while. I don't have enough strength left to deride your ignorant questions and half baked comments about unimportant trivia, or any of the rest of this drivel. Duh.

the only thing worse than your logic is your manners. I have snipped away most of your of what you wrote, because, well... it didn't really say anything. Your attempt at constructing a creative flame was pitiful. I mean, really, stringing together a bunch of insults among a load of babbling was hardly effective... Maybe later in life, after you have learned to read, write, spell, and count, you will have more success. True, these are rudimentary skills that many of us "normal" people take for granted that everyone has an easy time of mastering. But we sometimes forget that there are "challenged" persons in this world who find these things more difficult. If I had known, that this was your case then I would have never read your post. It just wouldn't have been "right". Sort of like parking in a handicap space. I wish you the best of luck in the emotional, and social struggles that seem to be placing such a demand on you.

Request denied, melfy.

Go find another old, senile, delusional woman to exploit.
 Quoting: The Commentator


After which ZM started to receive suggestions to leave this thread:

So go home into your thread - you wanted to have the debunkers off, now be content with it there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17230 answering ZetaMax on page 17 in this thread


Why the fuck should anyone answer a question from slime like you?

So fuck off.
 Quoting: The Commentator answering ZetaMax on page 18 in this thread


But your thread is somewhere else...go sockpuppetting there!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17230 answering ZetaMax, page 18


Followed by suggestions that everyone starts shunning ZetaMax:

OK, how about for the length of the boycott we simply shun max here?
[snip]
So, let us shun max.
 Quoting: The Commentator, page 19


Just shun melfy, if we answer it reinforces his pathology.
 Quoting: The Commentator on page 28


Just shun the bunkers and their reason for being here goes away.
 Quoting: The Commentator on page 28


Best to shun him.
 Quoting: The Commentator on page 28


Shun him, melfy isn't worth the electrons or bandwidth.
 Quoting: The Commentator on page 30


Just shun melfy and the problem goes away.
 Quoting: The Commentator on page 30


Which is why he needs shunning.
 Quoting: The Commentator on page 31


Repeated suggestions usually get some results, that's why they're widely used in all sorts of mind manipulation and propaganda. Some effects to be seen in this thread:

ZM: "These debunker FOOLS are one sad, sorry, insipid LOT!!"

Then don't come here anymore.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker answering ZetaMax's very black&white remark/thinking on page 32


I don't expect a straight answer from Max on my question but
I had to ask. I'll go back to shunning now.
 Quoting: DrPostman on page 32


Again, suggestions are being repeated by the one and the same Commentator:

So do what the rest of the smart people have done and shun him for the troll he is.
 Quoting: The Commentator on page 36


Yup, true story. And we can shorten his time by shunning him as the complete waste of time that he is.
 Quoting: The Commentator on page 36


Sounds like luser needs to be shunned as well as melfy.

What say you?
 Quoting: The Commentator on page 36


OK, melfy and luser are shunned. Lets make this one spread, neither of them is worth the electrons.
 Quoting: The Commentator on page 36


And he gets this agreement from the Lone Ranger:

Agreed. Let's see who else will come on board and shun Max and User.
 Quoting: The Lone Ranger on page 36


which encourages the Commentator to escalate his shunning mission further:

Good point, melfy, luser and freaky are just trolls, shunn the lot of them!!!!!
 Quoting: The Commentator on page 37


It remains to be seen at which point does the Commentator reach the level of total annihilation of the opponent. The tactic should be pretty obvious to those who are familiar with media and cult studies, war strategy, propaganda, advertising, manipulation, mind control etc.

And so finally the latter part of CB:s post that I quoted in the beginning of this very long post:

Maybe we should have our own chat session on Saturday night and when a bunker makes a post, we should delete it and then ban the poster. But then again, we don't need to stoop to Nancy's level.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Who's 'we'? Not everyone is resorting to that insulting and namecalling activity that all of the debunkers are accused of. Not even the majority of the debunkers are participating in that activity, making "funny" lists and all that. That would be a perception illusion or believing in what's being fed to you by manipulative methods. Are the debunkers willing and able to debunk the bunk found amongst their own threads.
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Funny how you leave out all of the insults and baiting that Max contributed to elicit the comments you quote. Max has relentlessly called all of us names, he has even stooped so low as to bring up certain posters families and suggest that they are poor parents. He has insulted and attacked the reputation of Hap, who has repeatedly offered to let the bunkers use his equipment to find and photograph planet x.

Max has shown several times on this thread that he wishes to bait and troll to get the people here to lose their temper. This is why I have decided to not get into it with him, because it is pointless. He is not here to discuss the topic. Some people like to have fun with him. Of course you don't see the insults Max has posted, not just here, but on countless Nancy threads over the years.

I don't care if Max posts to this thread. My observation was that he has said many times on Nancy's threads that he wished we would disappear so that he and others could discuss Nancy's material in peace without our interruptions. Now that we have disappeared, he barely posts there, he comes here instead. This leads me to believe that it is true that he is a troll. Otherwise, he would be discussing ZetaTalk in a debunker free environment, which is what he has always claimed to want.
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I don't know if Max has brought anyone's family into it. User has, most definitely...namely, mine.

But you're right. If we want this to get back to an intelligent conversation about ZetaTalk, we need to ignore ZetaMax...unless he actually posts something constructive. If he calls someone a name or simply posts a smilie, we should just scroll on by it.
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I don't know if Max has brought anyone's family into it. User has, most definitely...namely, mine.

But you're right. If we want this to get back to an intelligent conversation about ZetaTalk, we need to ignore ZetaMax...unless he actually posts something constructive. If he calls someone a name or simply posts a smilie, we should just scroll on by it.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker

Perhaps I am confusing Max and User. I apologize if that is the case, but he did insult my partner's family who lost someone to suicide, someone who destroyed his life over the 2003 PX no show and "white lie".
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I didn't know that. Usually, I see Max going out of his way to support Nancy by spinning facts or making stuff up to explain any failures. User is usually the vile one, attacking anyone who questions Nancy. The fact that both of them claim to be "fence sitters" is laughable at best. Being a "fence sitter" means being undecided...you don't dismiss either side of an argument. But that's all Max and User have done. I've never seen either one of them say that Nancy or the "Zetas" were wrong about something. Instead, they offer excuses or insults.
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Its true. The incident with my friend's family member is what prompted me to check Nancy out. I thought that perhaps with the incident so fresh he was bitter, looking for someone to blame. I entered with an open mind and went straight to the ZetaTalk website. It didn't take me long to encounter contradictions, and I found GLP where I asked Nancy questions about what wasn't making sense to me. What I got in return was insulted, I was immediately called a paid debunker, my question was never answered, so that pretty much told me what I needed to know.

I don't blame Nancy for this guy's death. It was just one thing piled up on top of a bunch of other issues, but it does illustrate that while for a sane person, Nancy's tirades are just words on a screen, for someone that is struggling with mental illness, it can be dangerous. This is why I even bother to come here to debunk, if I make just one person look at the other side of the coin, if just one person sees the contradictions and fallacies of NancyTalk then it is time well spent.
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Your story is similar to mine...minus the suicide part. I don't recall how I heard about "Planet X" and the "pending pole shift." It might have been from Coast to Coast back when Art was still doing the show and having her on. Somehow I heard about ZetaTalk and found out there was a website. I read much of it and was intrigued. That was in late April 2003. As May 15 got closer, Nancy kept claiming the "pole shift" was going to happen even though "Planet X" was nowhere to be seen. She had plenty of photos, of course. But the objects in the photos seemed much to small to me and I wasn't seeing them myself when I looked with my own eyes. In addition, she had a page dedicated to tracking rotation slowdown, with daily updates from people claiming that the sun was setting later and later. But the sun wasn't setting later where I was. And, if the sun were setting later and later, then that meant it should also be rising later and later. If the sun was setting 20 minutes late, that means it would have to rise 20 minutes late some place else. Days would no longer be 24 hours long. But it wasn't happening. So I asked Nancy questions about the "Planet X" photos and the alleged rotation slow down. She answered, I think, two initial questions...but her answers didn't make sense to me so I asked for clarification. Instead of getting it, I was told to "go drown in the pole shift." She stated she hoped I found myself clinging to the side of a mountain, with my limbs broken and useless. I kept seeing GodLikeProductions mentioned on her site and eventually figured out what it was and found my way here where I was promptly labeled a "government debunker" simply because I asked questions and posted information that showed Nancy was wrong. I guess I'm still here because of the way she treated me in the beginning. After being told to go die, I guess I get some amusement out of seeing her predictions continue to fail. Although, I also come to the forum because I still have an open mind about "Planet X"...just not Nancy's version.

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I wonder how many potential "fans" Nancy has turned away with her fascist attitude towards newcomers that ask for clarification of the many contradictions and nonsensical proclamations to be found in the ZetaTalk material. Were she truly "STO" and "trying to get the message out" she would be more understanding and patient. She would take the time to explain instead of insult and assume that if you don't "get it" right off the bat, you must be part of a conspiracy to discredit her. You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. Something Nancy doesn't seem to understand.
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I wonder how many potential "fans" Nancy has turned away with her fascist attitude towards newcomers that ask for clarification of the many contradictions and nonsensical proclamations to be found in the ZetaTalk material. Were she truly "STO" and "trying to get the message out" she would be more understanding and patient. She would take the time to explain instead of insult and assume that if you don't "get it" right off the bat, you must be part of a conspiracy to discredit her. You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. Something Nancy doesn't seem to understand.
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>> Were she truly "STO" and "trying to get the message out" she would be more understanding and patient.

She is VERY understanding and patient - that is until the "newcomer" gets confrontational. She can be faulted for having a "trigger finger", for ordering "shields up" when there is so much as a "hint" of verbal hostility, but that is only in terms of one's opinion about "where" someone continues to be - as you put it "understanding and patient" - and where they need to DEFEND THEMSELVES against an opponent who's mind is already made up, and who will not respond to ANY argument no matter how "patiently" delivered.

Where does one "draw the line" between being a patient educator on the one hand, and then having to become a "bouncer" when it becomes clear that the inquisitor is simply a "trouble maker"?

And don't give me billshit like: "If what she was peddling was verifiable and provable, then she wouldn't have this issue."

That would be a COPOUT. But then, that's what debunkers DO!

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 06/23/2009 03:51 PM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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I have to go out for a while, but I will search my first question out and you can see for yourself, that I was very respectful in the way I approached her with my question.
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Also, I would add that if the Zetas were real and as advanced as is claimed, they would screen questions for intent and advise Nancy accordingly.
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I wonder how many potential "fans" Nancy has turned away with her fascist attitude towards newcomers that ask for clarification of the many contradictions and nonsensical proclamations to be found in the ZetaTalk material. Were she truly "STO" and "trying to get the message out" she would be more understanding and patient. She would take the time to explain instead of insult and assume that if you don't "get it" right off the bat, you must be part of a conspiracy to discredit her. You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar. Something Nancy doesn't seem to understand.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

I don't know. I know there used to be a lot more people posting in support of her in 2003/2004. They were regulars on the forum but I haven't seen them for a while. There was one, Eagle #1, who used to say the usual "You debunkers will find out soon enough!" tag line. After a few years of being wrong, I don't see him in these threads anymore. There is someone who still posts on GLP under the username Eagle #1 but I don't know if it's the same person. There was also an anonymous coward who used to claim to know who I was and claimed I was a garbage collector or something along those lines. No one believed him, of course, because whenever he was asked to provide my real name he always disappeared. There was even another who claimed to be an investigator for the Garland Police Department where I had applied for a dispatching job back in 2003 before we moved to Tampa. He claimed to know all kinds of information...but couldn't tell anyone even the simplest thing such as my age or name. I think those claims were made by the person we now know as User # 78/68. This is only speculation but what got me wondering was User's recent claim that I tried to become an officer and failed the psych exam...the same thing the anonymous coward claimed about Garland PD. None of that is true and I'm certainly not going to accuse him of it because the evidence is only circumstantial. At one time, yes, I wanted to go to the street. My original plan was to use dispatching as a stepping stone. But, after doing that job for a few years, I decided that working patrol wasn't for me. I eventually grew to dislike dispatching...too much negativity. That's why I went to school and got the degree in electronics. But when my wife got a job down in Tampa, there wasn't a lot of high tech industry down there. So, I went back to what I knew. For a while, I liked it. But, when we moved here to CO in January, I had already decided I didn't want to return to that. I was tired of working weekends and holidays. Hence my return back to school to get a degree in IT. I hope to get into Network Administration when I'm done.

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Also, I would add that if the Zetas were real and as advanced as is claimed, they would screen questions for intent and advise Nancy accordingly.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal

That's certainly an excuse I don't buy. You're right - the "Zetas" are so technologically advanced, why can't they make a chip that is capable of making sure there is nothing lost in translation? For that matter, if they are "all knowing" as they appear to be based on their political statements, why is it they don't know when Nancy has misunderstood what was said to her? For instance, RA and DEC...why did they let her go on so long before finally correcting her? Why couldn't "they" tell that a photo was a kite and not some "moon swirl?"

The "element of doubt" explanation, to me, appears to be nothing more than an excuse or way out. Much like Nancy's claim that "Planet X" may not be visible during the eclipse. She's obviously preparing for that possibility so that whether it's there or not, she can say "Zetas right again!"

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She is VERY understanding and patient - that is until the "newcomer" gets confrontational.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Definable as failing to absolutely accept, at face value, anything "Zetas" have said, period.
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Also, I would add that if the Zetas were real and as advanced as is claimed, they would screen questions for intent and advise Nancy accordingly.
 Quoting: KeepingItReal


Funny, but several people have presented images to Nancy and asked her what they showed. She says they show PX. Funny how "Zetas" never clue Nancy in that she is looking at a kite, lens flare, Mercury, etc, etc, etc, etc...
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She is VERY understanding and patient - that is until the "newcomer" gets confrontational.


Definable as failing to absolutely accept, at face value, anything "Zetas" have said, period.
 Quoting: Menow 405501

bald_lie

There would be no "element of doubt" disclaimer if that were that case.

"Element of doubt" is completely, utterly, and emphatically antithetical to absolutely accept, at face value, anything "Zetas" have said.

These paradigms simply cannot co-exist.

Last Edited by ***ZetaMaX*** on 06/23/2009 04:39 PM
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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She is VERY understanding and patient - that is until the "newcomer" gets confrontational.


Definable as failing to absolutely accept, at face value, anything "Zetas" have said, period.

:bald_lie:

There would be no "element of doubt" disclaimer if that were that case.

"Element of doubt" is completely, utterly, and emphatically antithetical to absolutely accept, at face value, anything "Zetas" have said.

These paradigms simply cannot co-exist.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Sure they can. "Element of doubt" *IS* one of the things which MUST be accepted at face value. It is not "outside" of the paradigym. It is PART of it. It is also simply a convenient dodge when cornered by facts contradicting the proposed "truth".
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I've seen some weird shit over the years that would stand your hair on end. I definitely would not go insane if there were no "element of doubt" and it was proved to me conclusively that Planet X and the pole shift were real. So why is the evidence not forthcoming? I suspect it is because I have an open mind, and that given the lack of supporting evidence I have been forced to conclude that Nancy's planet X is a hoax. I would love to be proven wrong, but none of the believers have provided the evidence.

On another note, I have a friend with an interesting idea about planet X. He says that perhaps planet X was discovered in 1936, an object that we know intrudes upon the orbital path of another planet and stays there for several years before exiting. Of course I am talking about Pluto, which due to its particular trajectory spends some time closer to the earth than Neptune.
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She is VERY understanding and patient - that is until the "newcomer" gets confrontational.


Definable as failing to absolutely accept, at face value, anything "Zetas" have said, period.

bald_lie

There would be no "element of doubt" disclaimer if that were that case.

"Element of doubt" is completely, utterly, and emphatically antithetical to absolutely accept, at face value, anything "Zetas" have said.

These paradigms simply cannot co-exist.


Sure they can. "Element of doubt" *IS* one of the things which MUST be accepted at face value. It is not "outside" of the paradigym. It is PART of it. It is also simply a convenient dodge when cornered by facts contradicting the proposed "truth".
 Quoting: Menow 405501

w_t_f_

This is the most non-nonsensical utterance you've to date spewed. You can't have an "element of doubt" as an article of "faith". It is a self-negating mental construct. If you have "doubt", you don't have "faith", and vice verse. "Element" implies "small" - but "doubt" is not "quantitative", but "qualitative" since no two people can effectively find a common and repeatable way to measure it.

Bottom line, there is no "insistence" that Nancy, anywhere, throughout ALL of Zetatalk, has EVER **insisted** that anyone must always believe and never question.

I DARE YOU TO FIND A SINGLE EXAMPLE!
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

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Just the fact that there needs to be white lies and element of doubt, and the fact that Nancy and bunkers trot out the paid debunker accusations and that Nancy censors and bans those that question her is pretty good evidence that she requires you to just believe with no concrete proof. There are so many examples, and even if I were to post a few, you would just spin and flame. You are a pathetic troll.
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How childish - AND churlish.


Boy, you're one to talk:


We SEE you, SHILL!! SmileyGlas


Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.


Note that Melfy cannot stay away from this thread, Melfy must have attention several times a day even if it's negative, just like a small child. But senile dementia catches up on the elderly delusional eventually.



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Indeed, and I note with some interest that only one of us has been satisfying his need for attention.
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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I didn't know that. Usually, I see Max going out of his way to support Nancy by spinning facts or making stuff up to explain any failures. User is usually the vile one, attacking anyone who questions Nancy. The fact that both of them claim to be "fence sitters" is laughable at best. Being a "fence sitter" means being undecided...you don't dismiss either side of an argument. But that's all Max and User have done. I've never seen either one of them say that Nancy or the "Zetas" were wrong about something. Instead, they offer excuses or insults.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker



Which is a very good reason to shun both of them, they are just trolls who take great pleasure in getting attention from their superiors.
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NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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I see that our resident Troll the Melfster has been very active disrupting our chat thread.

I am sure that the sockpuppet troll has more pressing things to attend to like preparing for Saturday Night Live Chat or similar activities for the delusional amongst us.
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Sigh. Nothing but more name calling.

Depressing, isn't it.

I see that you've posted stuff meant for discussion, as have a few others. But looking over the past two pages all I've seen is a bunch of bickering from both sides.


You, of all people, should realize that discussion can't occur if there are no responses to rational offerings. The whole thing got driven to the state it's in by lack of ANY rational response from Nancy's few alleged supporters. What is there to discuss about a system of "information" which claims that Earth is halted in orbit, where it's "believers" refuse to discuss such things? No rational discussion is possible, almost by sheer definition.

Don't sweat it.
 Quoting: Menow 405501


Zetatalk and any other billshit that the bunkers spew, in regards to claiming that planet X is here yada yada, should always be taken with "a grain of salt" and a good lol4me .

Sure it is a good exercise to continually debunk Nancy LIEDer's nonsense with facts and reality.

But hey Don't sweat it.
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Nancy LIEDer is 100% definitely not in communication with ETs of any description.

Nancy LIEDer is totally delusional but more precisely fraudulent.

After six years of failed predictions and claims there can no longer be any element of doubt in this regards.

The decision by the debunker posters to boycott Nancy's "chat" threads has been a glorious SUCCESS!!

This was the last thing that Nancy LIEDer wanted to see on GLP as it has totally decimated the flow of action on her threads.

Most of the people viewing the GLP zetatalk "chat" threads do so ONLY to follow the interaction between Bunker and debunker.....nothing more and nothing less.
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:excited: Soledad's debunker thread is way more popular than Nancy's bunker "chat" thread.....why?

....because debunkers are participating on Soledad's thread and NOT on that boring piece of crap zetatalk "chat" thread that is attracting more and more cobwebs every day.

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She is VERY understanding and patient -
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


That's crap. Almost every session she lashes out at someone who is sympathetic. She criticizes them for not reading ZetaTalk and often insults them as well.
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This is true. How can you read ZT and NOT have questions? She just assumes that if we have questions it means we haven't read it. It doesn't matter how many times you reread some of her material, it is never going to make sense without clarification. She does get in a snit quite often and tell people to do their homework before wasting her time with questions. She says the answers are all there. Unfortunately, most of those answers need translation into rational English.
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Even when translated, the answer is still bunk.
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