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I'm curious to know out of the 4 main zetacult followers: Luser, Andrew, FreeStore and ZetaMax, how many of them were supporting Nancy back in 2003?
 Quoting: tater

User has been around here since then...or so he claims. It's hard to tell because back then, if he was really here, he didn't post with his current nom de plume. The others claim to have been following her for years but didn't post here until after 2003.

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It's wise to heed a "warning" - even it turns out to be a false alarm.



Oh, really?

Warning: The Sky is Falling! Your only recourse is to head immediately to the South Pole.

What? Not heeding the warning? Why not?


I know what you're thinking ... you're thinking you've just handed my ass to me.

You'd be **WRONG**!!

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 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


Well actually I know what you're thinking there, Melfy...you're thinking you've just handed your handed ass back to us but....

You'd be **WRONG**!!

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I'm curious to know out of the 4 main zetacult followers: Luser, Andrew, FreeStore and ZetaMax, how many of them were supporting Nancy back in 2003?




I have been reading Nancy Lieder at GLP since 2002, and a year before that at Zetatalk.com, of which I have read her whole site at least a couple of times.
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Thanks User for the reply.

Have you ever found any of Nancy's doctrine as questionable?

Do you really believe that the earth is halted in orbit and the seasons are simulated by the zetas by tilting the earth?

These honest questions are not meant to belittle you. I'm just wondering how that belief can be maintained.

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It's wise to heed a "warning" - even it turns out to be a false alarm.



Oh, really?

Warning: The Sky is Falling! Your only recourse is to head immediately to the South Pole.

What? Not heeding the warning? Why not?


I know what you're thinking ... you're thinking you've just handed my ass to me.

You'd be **WRONG**!!

 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***


And, alas, you are incorrect about what I am thinking.

I asked you a question: Why are you not heeding my warning about the Sky Falling? What is your reasoning? These are not rhetorical questions.
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Oh, and your comments regarding the Wobble-buster would be appreciated as well, Zetamax.
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I'm curious to know out of the 4 main zetacult followers: Luser, Andrew, FreeStore and ZetaMax, how many of them were supporting Nancy back in 2003?




I have been reading Nancy Lieder at GLP since 2002, and a year before that at Zetatalk.com, of which I have read her whole site at least a couple of times.
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Damn...what a waste of time and bandwidth!
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Thanks User for the reply.

Have you ever found any of Nancy's doctrine as questionable?

Do you really believe that the earth is halted in orbit and the seasons are simulated by the zetas by tilting the earth?

These honest questions are not meant to belittle you. I'm just wondering how that belief can be maintained.

edited for spelling
 Quoting: tater

I've asked him the same question...only to be attacked.
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Thanks User for the reply.

Have you ever found any of Nancy's doctrine as questionable?

Do you really believe that the earth is halted in orbit and the seasons are simulated by the zetas by tilting the earth?

These honest questions are not meant to belittle you. I'm just wondering how that belief can be maintained.

edited for spelling

I've asked him the same question...only to be attacked.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


Well, being an ex-cult member myself (not zetacult), I can understand the realisation of defending a failed cult and the hostility that comes along with seeing the whole belief system come crashing down.

It's hard to deal with. But in order to find some kind of peace in life, I would walk away from a failed cult, rather than defend it. To defend failure is to be a fool.

I'm not going to judge anyone that is fooled into following a cult. It's just sad to see the ones that don't realise that they've been duped and yet defend it beyond common sense.

I kinda feel sorry for Nancy in a way, but yet, because neither she nor any of the zetacult followers will admit error, then they are opened up to ridicule and disdain.

I can't imagine a belief system that harbours fear and paranoia. Life must suck being afraid of ones own imagination, but to each their own I guess.

I'm more curious about what ZetaMax's opinion is about the previous question I posed. I hope that the cult members can muster up the courage to engage in some discussion. Maybe I'm asking too much.
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Thanks User for the reply.

Have you ever found any of Nancy's doctrine as questionable?

Do you really believe that the earth is halted in orbit and the seasons are simulated by the zetas by tilting the earth?

These honest questions are not meant to belittle you. I'm just wondering how that belief can be maintained.

edited for spelling

I've asked him the same question...only to be attacked.
 Quoting: Circuit Breaker


I have a little different view of things. If anybody goes to the zetatalk website, and reads the zeta's explanation for just about any issue you could ask about...it mirrors much of what you find in the Phoenix Journals as it relates to anything about religious belief systems and how the universe works.

I do believe that Nancy is a legit contactee and the Zeta's
are the good "service to others" ET's. I think her selling her belief of a Planet X is mostly to confuse TPTB, wittingly or unwittingly. The Phoenix Journals state that planet X is still 1600 years away, and that what we are seeing now on SOHO to the right of the sun is actually a mothership and other ships.

We are going to experience earthchanges that will equal an extinction event, not because of planet x, or a coronal mass injection of the sun, or because we're passing the galactic plain. Mother earth is a sentient being, and she has been promised by heaven that she will become a 5th density planet, where no evil can exist. She must cleanse herself of ALL EVIL caused by humanity, becuse we have abused her and are not living the laws of creation and the universe.(They can be found in Phoenix Journal 27, if you want the ultimate truth on how we should be living.)

I encourage all to checkout the Phoenix Journals as time is very short for humanity as we know it. May you all find the red road of truth....God bless.
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Oh, and your comments regarding the Wobble-buster would be appreciated as well, Zetamax.
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The wobble may be incredibly infrequent and barely perceptible. Not detecting it does not mean it does not exist. I have no "stake" in dis-proving Nancy. My life is unaffected either way.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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To defend failure is to be a fool.
 Quoting: tater



foolmask

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The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
 [link to www.zetatalk.com] 

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Thanks User for the reply.

Have you ever found any of Nancy's doctrine as questionable?

Do you really believe that the earth is halted in orbit and the seasons are simulated by the zetas by tilting the earth?

These honest questions are not meant to belittle you. I'm just wondering how that belief can be maintained.

edited for spelling

I've asked him the same question...only to be attacked.


I have a little different view of things. If anybody goes to the zetatalk website, and reads the zeta's explanation for just about any issue you could ask about...it mirrors much of what you find in the Phoenix Journals as it relates to anything about religious belief systems and how the universe works.

I do believe that Nancy is a legit contactee and the Zeta's
are the good "service to others" ET's. I think her selling her belief of a Planet X is mostly to confuse TPTB, wittingly or unwittingly. The Phoenix Journals state that planet X is still 1600 years away, and that what we are seeing now on SOHO to the right of the sun is actually a mothership and other ships.

We are going to experience earthchanges that will equal an extinction event, not because of planet x, or a coronal mass injection of the sun, or because we're passing the galactic plain. Mother earth is a sentient being, and she has been promised by heaven that she will become a 5th density planet, where no evil can exist. She must cleanse herself of ALL EVIL caused by humanity, becuse we have abused her and are not living the laws of creation and the universe.(They can be found in Phoenix Journal 27, if you want the ultimate truth on how we should be living.)

I encourage all to checkout the Phoenix Journals as time is very short for humanity as we know it. May you all find the red road of truth....God bless.
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Interesting idea for sure. But the problem that most religions and cults have is that there are only the one that adhere to the rules of the man mad rules that survive. If there is a God, I would think that He is capable and powerful enough to save all of humanity, without much or any intervention from us as humans. I would very much look forward to a savior like that.
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I'm curious to know out of the 4 main zetacult followers: Luser, Andrew, FreeStore and ZetaMax, how many of them were supporting Nancy back in 2003?




I have been reading Nancy Lieder at GLP since 2002, and a year before that at Zetatalk.com, of which I have read her whole site at least a couple of times.


Damn...what a waste of time and bandwidth!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 795135





Your whole philosophy re responding to and chasing around Nancy Lieder for all of these years would seem to be an even LARGER waste of bandwidth. Imagine that???

For such a busy man you sure do have a lot of extra time on your hands. Dolt!
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To defend failure is to be a fool.



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Lol! for sure Max. We are all fools indeed!
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To defend failure is to be a fool.



foolmask

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Lol! for sure Max. We are all fools indeed!
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Oops, forgot to login, that was me. :)

Who is the biggest fool of all, than the one that denies that there is a God?
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Your whole philosophy re responding to and chasing around Nancy Lieder for all of these years would seem to be an even LARGER waste of bandwidth. Imagine that???

For such a busy man you sure do have a lot of extra time on your hands. Dolt!
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User...think real hard and you'll see how that statement applies to you. Imagine that!
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I wonder if the year 2012 will be nothing more than what Y2K was? Nothing more than paranoia and religious cults feeding the fearful to nothing but a scam?
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I wonder if the year 2012 will be nothing more than what Y2K was? Nothing more than paranoia and religious cults feeding the fearful to nothing but a scam?
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BINGO! We have a winner!
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I wonder if the year 2012 will be nothing more than what Y2K was? Nothing more than paranoia and religious cults feeding the fearful to nothing but a scam?
 Quoting: tater


I would LOVE nothing better. However, wishful thinking is not my tendency.
The best advice we can give on this matter is to read with your heart as well as your mind. Follow the flow, let the nuances lie unanswered and unchallenged in your mind. Treat this as a garden you are walking through for the first time, and experience it fully without trying to categorize it! Much of what you will learn will be processed in your subconscious, and influence your conscious mind later. If you must dissect each phrase, and correlate it with each piece of information taken from another source, you will trash much of what you could otherwise gain. Live in the gray, not always insisting on black and white and strict compartmentalizations.

ZetaTalk: Oahspe Note: written Apr 15, 1997.
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I'm curious to know out of the 4 main zetacult followers: Luser, Andrew, FreeStore and ZetaMax, how many of them were supporting Nancy back in 2003?




I have been reading Nancy Lieder at GLP since 2002, and a year before that at Zetatalk.com, of which I have read her whole site at least a couple of times.


Damn...what a waste of time and bandwidth!





Your whole philosophy re responding to and chasing around Nancy Lieder for all of these years would seem to be an even LARGER waste of bandwidth. Imagine that???

For such a busy man you sure do have a lot of extra time on your hands. Dolt!
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Hi User,

Would you be willing to discuss with civility and answer?

My question still is..

Do you believe that the earth has been halted in orbit and the zetas are tilting the earth to simulate the seasons?
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I wonder if the year 2012 will be nothing more than what Y2K was? Nothing more than paranoia and religious cults feeding the fearful to nothing but a scam?
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I see it that way.

But approaching 2012 we will see the woo woos turn pro. I expect all kind of shit ... from friendly woo woos to terrible stuff like sects that commit mass suicide.
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I wonder if the year 2012 will be nothing more than what Y2K was? Nothing more than paranoia and religious cults feeding the fearful to nothing but a scam?


I would LOVE nothing better. However, wishful thinking is not my tendency.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



Ok Max,, I'll ask you the same question...

According to Nancy, the earth is halted in orbit and the zetas are tilting the earth to simulate the seasons.

Do you believe that? If so, would you be willing to discuss how that can possibly be?
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I wonder if the year 2012 will be nothing more than what Y2K was? Nothing more than paranoia and religious cults feeding the fearful to nothing but a scam?


I would LOVE nothing better. However, wishful thinking is not my tendency.



Ok Max,, I'll ask you the same question...

According to Nancy, the earth is halted in orbit and the zetas are tilting the earth to simulate the seasons.

Do you believe that? If so, would you be willing to discuss how that can possibly be?
 Quoting: tater


BTW, can I call you Max? it's easier to type than the whole ZetaMax moniker.
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The wobble may be incredibly infrequent and barely perceptible. Not detecting it does not mean it does not exist. I have no "stake" in dis-proving Nancy. My life is unaffected either way.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



But that isn't what Nancy claims. She has stated it is 4 times daily, and has mentioned it being in the TENS of DEGREES. Why don't you ever challenge her about this?

So, despite observational evidence that clearly contradicts Nancy's claims utterly, and despite your lack of "stake," you still defend Nancy's idea. Why? And how much disproof is ENOUGH disproof to convince you that Nancy just happens to be wrong?
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I wonder if the year 2012 will be nothing more than what Y2K was? Nothing more than paranoia and religious cults feeding the fearful to nothing but a scam?

I see it that way.

But approaching 2012 we will see the woo woos turn pro. I expect all kind of shit ... from friendly woo woos to terrible stuff like sects that commit mass suicide.
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Good point, It seems like that type of mentality certainly goes around every few years. I'm wondering if there is a belief system that doesn't feed the fear and paranoia. Maybe a belief system that brings peace of mind?
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I wonder if the year 2012 will be nothing more than what Y2K was? Nothing more than paranoia and religious cults feeding the fearful to nothing but a scam?


I would LOVE nothing better. However, wishful thinking is not my tendency.
 Quoting: ***ZetaMax***



See, here is another example: What makes the idea that 2012 will have the same effects as Y2K "wishful thinking?" Certainly the evidence seems to suggest that Nancy's ideas about this are seriously flawed...
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The wobble may be incredibly infrequent and barely perceptible. Not detecting it does not mean it does not exist. I have no "stake" in dis-proving Nancy. My life is unaffected either way.



But that isn't what Nancy claims. She has stated it is 4 times daily, and has mentioned it being in the TENS of DEGREES. Why don't you ever challenge her about this?

So, despite observational evidence that clearly contradicts Nancy's claims utterly, and despite your lack of "stake," you still defend Nancy's idea. Why? And how much disproof is ENOUGH disproof to convince you that Nancy just happens to be wrong?
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Yep, I've been in cult belief system before,, I can say with certainty that unless one realises they've been duped, then there is no reason for the belief, It simply feed on the delusion until it all comes crashing down, hopefully without committing suicide.

It's a hard road,, that road of delusion. Nothing resembling fact nor reality. I felt like such a fool for getting involved in a cult.
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I wonder if the year 2012 will be nothing more than what Y2K was? Nothing more than paranoia and religious cults feeding the fearful to nothing but a scam?
 Quoting: tater

I think so. Sure, stuff will happen in 2012...but nothing like what Nancy claims will occur. And, actually, she says all the bad stuff will happen before 2012...although she's been trying to weasel her way out of that of late since 2012 is almost upon us and her make believe "rogue planet" is nowhere to be seen.
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Hi User,

Would you be willing to discuss with civility and answer?

My question still is..

Do you believe that the earth has been halted in orbit and the zetas are tilting the earth to simulate the seasons?
 Quoting: tater

User is a funny, funny person. He claims he wants serious discussion. But when asked serious, legitimate questions - he turns tail and runs away. For instance, back in December, he claimed that earthquakes were increasing. He referred us to a chart that someone made. On that chart was a link to the USGS where the person supposedly got the data. It turned out that the link didn't even exist and the data was falsified. When we asked User about it, he repeatedly refused to discuss the matter. Then, about a week later, he made a vague statement about fireballs and said that "debunkers" would be afraid to discuss that. We asked him what he meant by his statement about fireballs. Again, he repeatedly refused to answer. So, don't be surprised if he refuses to answer your question. In addition, you won't find him in any of Nancy's threads asking questions or engaging in discussion with those that believe her. User has continuously proven that he is NOT interested in serious discussion. All he's interested in is attacking anyone who doesn't believe what Nancy says.
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Ok Max,, I'll ask you the same question...

According to Nancy, the earth is halted in orbit and the zetas are tilting the earth to simulate the seasons.

Do you believe that? If so, would you be willing to discuss how that can possibly be?
 Quoting: tater

We've already asked Max that as well. He won't give a straight answer. When we asked him, he danced around a bit and then said that the "Zetas" were screening our memories to ensure that we see what we would expect when looking at the sky.
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